ayman mohyeldin. yesterday evening i restated my position that these negotiations can't last forever. should these issues not be resolved by the time the funding bill before us expires, on february 8th, so long as the government remains open, so long as the government remains open, it would be my intention to take up legislation here in the nate, that would address daca, border security, and related issues, as well as disaster relief, defense funding, health care and other important matters. >> while this procedure will not satisfy everyone on both sides, it's a way forward. i'm confident that we can get the 60 votes in the senate for a daca bill. it is a good solution. and i will vote for it. >> and so the three-day shutdown is over. last night president trump signed legislation to fund the

government through february 8th. the deal extends the children's health insurance program for six years, but it did nothing on daca. for that, democrats got majority leader mitch mcconnell to commit to a vote on the issue next month. but house speaker paul ryan is making no such promises. welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, january 23rd, with us we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle, associate editor of "commentary" magazine noah rothman and editor of the "washington post," eugene robinson and nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host kasie dc on msnbc, kasie hunt. joe, what was the president, the president's part in this way forward? and what is the way forward? >> it sounds like his part was to get out of the way. most everybody says the reason

they were able to get a deal at the end was the president and steven miller, who is obviously running the president's business were kept out of the way. and so the two sides could come together. listen, there are a lot of democrats that aren't happy, a lot of reasons for democratic activists to be concerned. it doesn't seem that the democrats have still learned how to fight a good political battle. a good political war. legislatively. are with the communications. but you know, this ended up just being a phony war this was to woro a phrase from the beginning of world war ii, this was a phony war, a three-day battle. it's not like they signed off for six-year deal on, on keeping the government open. mitch mcconnell has given his word, mitch mcconnell keeps his word. or else. the democrats can do this again

in february. and that's going to be up to them. i just hope for their sake that if they do this again in february, they will have actually planned the next move. i mean it's one thing to shut down the government but if you're going to shut down the government, you got to know what you're doing, you've got to know what your communication strategy is and you've got to know what your next move is. that's what people would always complain about newt gingrich, saying you've always got that great first idea. but you never assume that the other side is going to react. in a way that would not be advantageous to you. what's the second act? and that's what's chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and a lot of democrats need to figure out. we find out, we don't have a parliamentary system. there is no opposition to leader to donald trump. chuck schumer does what chuck schumer does very well in his bubble in the senate. nancy pelosi does what she does very well in her bubble in the house.

and that is their job. and that's a big-enough job. but there is no opposition leader. you've got 60 democrats running around who all want to be president of the united states and that doesn't actually make things easier for chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, it makes it more difficult. >> well "the new york times" profiles the roughly two dozen centrist senators from both parties who broke the shutdown. known as the common-sense coalition, the bipartisan group crammed into the office of republican susan collins for days in an effort to get the government up and running again. eventually they won over their party's leadership. as the "times" notes, it fulfilled the rarely realized hope that a centrist contingent could bridge a deeply divided senate. but it's still unclear if the same approach can also apply to other entrenched issues like the debt ceiling, disaster relief, and of course a more comprehensive immigration deal to address daca and border security. kasie hunt, you, i don't know if

you've ever left the capitol and this story, but watching this process, it seemed like something certainly worked in that room. but boy, did we get a sense of how the white house operates throughout all this. >> and i, i think, i'm still trying to piece together exactly what it is, that happened in that room that allowed us to get here. everyone on both sides, i talked to many of the senators who were involved in these negotiations yesterday, they all say that they were able to build trust among themselves. that has been the word we have been talking about throughout this. no one has trusted anybody else. the leaders didn't trust each other, the rank-and-file democrats didn't trust mcconnell. what seemed to happen is they decide they had were going to trust this bloc of 12 or so republicans who told them privately and repeatedly that they would have their back in the event that mitch mcconnell goes back on his promise.

and i do think that the president plays a role. because joe you've consistently, so many mornings we've woken up and you have asked the question -- when are republican leaders going to turn on the president? and i've come to conclude that the answer to that question may always be no. however, i do get the sense that the message that these republicans, these moderate republicans sent to these democrats was -- we see what's going on in this country. we think it's wrong. and we want to work together to try and figure out if we can be a center of power that can make a real difference. and now they're going to be tested in this immigration debate. >> it's been a frustration, willie geist, for years now, that senators get elected, house members get elected, they go up and two or three leaders on both sides making decisions. they do it behind closed doors, they send it to barack obama or before that, george w. bush and now donald trump and they sign off on it. i something i think, i hope and

it is just a hope -- very positive happened when the government got shut down. you saw that scene at midnight on friday night, going into saturday morning, and you saw a lot of senators talking to each other, i was actually very comforted by that fact. and i have noticed more positive, more positive working relationship between these senators over the past three days, last night, you had louisiana republican senator john kennedy starting his remarks on "hardball," thanking chuck schumer for reopening the government. saying i don't agree with him, but hey, we're going to talk this through. we're going to get to a deal. who knows, maybe peace breaks out when senators know they have to deal with senators and keep trump on the side. >> dick durbin had that same tone on the floor. he thanked mitch mcconnell. i think it's probably because both sides realize over the course of three days, this fight wasn't making either side look very good and they wanted to find a way out of it.

i also think that you know, we show the picture of susan collins and joe manchin, both of whom i have great respect for, sort of toasting in that "new york times" article, toasting a three-week resolution, a three-week continuing resolution to get to the next resolution on february 8th. i'm not sure how much back-patting there should be going on. i'm glad the government is open for people who need the government to be open. but let's not get too excited about it. i think this deal was predicated on trust which is why progressives are so upset about it. because what you heard mitch mcconnell say right there is it is my intention to take up daca. once we get this government open, it's my intention. progressives hear that as, okay, it's your intention, maybe you will, maybe won't. ant even if you do, there's no guarantee that you're going to support daca. progressives and those who voted against it, camilla harris, cory booker wanted no less than protection for daca as part of

this deal. >> i suppose if you think mitch mcconnell and other republicans have no incentive to pursue daca other than pressure, this is a win for you. this is an 80/20 proposition. i guess you push it up on the calendar a little bit. but otherwise, democrats in this process have sacrificed something very valuable i think. which was their narrative on c.h.i.p. funding. they had been successfully pursuing this idea that they were trying to preserve c.h.i.p. funding, despite the fact that democrats in the house had voted against it on a variety of opportunities. because they were protecting obamacare's provisions. now they shut down the government over it obamacare wasn't on the table, it was basically the quote-unquote clean c.h.i.p. bill that they wanted. it's gone. six-year funding, they got it but they shut down the government over it and they had to vote to back off of it it wasn't as though there wasn't anything on the table that democrats sacrificed, they lost something. >> again c.h.i.p. funding, right? >> yes. >> but they sacrificed the naturish that it was republicans

who were trying to hold c.h.i.p. funding hostage and then c.h.i.p. fund something gone, it's off the table and now we're talking about daca. daca is now the issue that was shutting down the government. we skipped a step there. >> but if i'm a democrat and of course i'm not, but god knows i'm sounding more like one every morning. if i went back to my -- and they said you backed down, i would say, i did what? i guaranteed by standing up to donald trump and making sure he was out of this process, i guaranteed c.h.i.p. funding. i guaranteed by my fighting, you're telling me that a three-day shutdown wasn't worth guaranteeing health care for millions and millions of the truly disadvantaged children? that's a win for democrats if they know how to spin it the right way. >> that's the governing wing of the democratic party's message

and it sounds so much like 2013 this is the governing wing of the minority party saying we got something out this. while the activist class and the majority and the president are saying -- they folded. that is going to fuel primary c challenges and it's going to be something that's going to radicalize the democratic party. we saw it in the republicans in 2013. >> i want to go to gene for a second. there's a point that i've made since 2013. if you look at the government shutdown, and you talk about how it may have radicalized the republican party. actually what happened in the middle of the government shutdown, you had people like the u.s. chamber, the kochs, other funders of republican interests saying wait, wait, hold on a second. this is not what we signed up for. and this is not what we're writing our checks for. and the first thing they did was they went all in with bradley bern in alabama won.

what you saw in to 20 14 was republicans doing well but if you could call it the more moderate wing. it was the less-crazy wing of the republican party. after that government shutdown, that prevailed in just about every contest in 2014. i think would argue that it moderated it. and gene robinson, if democrats are smart enough, to know how to fight, and right now, that is a question, that we don't have an answer to. if they're smart enough to fight, they will go home and say damn right i shut down the government for three days. and in those three days, republicans caved and now we have health care for little children who were, who didn't have health care before our government shutdown. we win, they lose. >> well exactly. the six years of c.h.i.p. funding is the one really big concrete thing democrats got out of this.

frankly, with all respect to say that they lost narrative while gaining the essential thing they were fighting for is kind of, kind of ridiculous. i mean they got, they got something, they had desperately sought. and they got it for six years. they certainly, look if they don't take that as a win from the shutdown, then they're guilty of political malpractice. i think the point that, however when you shut down the government, you ought to have a step two, i think that's a totally valid point. i think there wasn't a step two. they're in the minority. they didn't have really, a way to sort of leverage much more out of, out of the shutdown. and so, they, you know, they had to go with mitch mcconnell promise. we're going to be back here on february 8th. they're not going to rewrite the

entire u.s. immigration policy in 16 days. at some point we're going to have the debate and maybe mitch mcconnell's promise is good. maybe we will have the debate. >> mike barnicle, president trump tweeted late last night -- >> did he? >> yes, he did. he said big win for republicans as democrats cave on shutdown. now i want a big win for everyone, including republicans, democrats and daca, but especially for our great military and border security. should be able to get there, see you at the negotiating table. mike barnicle? >> there's another view of all of this. it probably comes from well beyond washington and manhattan and it's the view of i think a large part of the country. and it is basically, what are those people doing in washington, they're so predictable. they do nothing. they don't know what they're doing. but if you look at it from a point of view of chuck schumer and the democrats and not the

democratic candidates for president, but the average democrat out there, here's what happened. perhaps. they shut down the government on friday, by friday night they realized they made a horrific mistake. spent the weekend trying to figure out how to get out of it. during the course of the weekend a couple of positive things happened. maybe the most positive thing that happens is a group of senators, republicans and democrats, established a sanctuary city, a safe house, in susan collins' office. where they get together and talk to one another the way they haven't spoken to one another, maybe in 30 years. i don't know. okay? among them, they decide one thing they're going to do is take the car keys from the president of the united states. that they are united states senators, and they're going to deal with this, apart from the craziness of the white house. why did they do this? because they finally recognized that they're living in a city which just constantly spills out toxicity from every branch of government, and especially the white house and that toxicity

has now reached new levels of contempt for institutions of government like the fbi. and that has bothered more than one united states senator. so on the whole, i think it's a positive what happened over the weekend. >> mike saw a lot of commentators during the government shutdown. taking a predictively cynical tiresome view, what's, what are these people doing, you know, they're such fools, they're such clowns. no, you actually had democrats standing up, for what they believed in. and i remember we did it in 1995 and everybody hated us for it. but we stood up for what we believed in. then it was trying to balance the budget. trying to be responsible with taxpayers' money, trying to get power, money and authority back to the communities. that was something to fight for. and we did it.

no apologies. democrats, democrats are fighting for something that 90% of americans believe in. and that is, that children who came here with their parents, through no fault of their own, should not be deported years later. that is a concept that nine out of ten americans believe in. that's a concept that you can't get a straight up or down vote on in the senate or house. that's a concept that the president of the united states has said repeat lid that he supports. that is a concept worth fighting for. that's a concept worth shuttinging down the government three days for. and if somebody out there is not strong enough to hack that. then you know what? go to another country where there's a dictatorship. sometimes it gets messy in washington, d.c. guess what happened? just like mike said, united states senators over the weekend, they began acting like united states senators again. and not like they were hand

maidens to the president of the united states or steven miller. they began acting like elected united states senators. the second thing, for any liberal that wants to run for president that says nothing came out of this -- yeah, nothing came out of this. if you don't consider health care for the poorest and the most truly disadvantaged among us, and their children getting health care if that means nothing to you, if you rate that as a loss, then you should not run in the progressive wing of the democratic party. because that was a big, big win. and mika, we will be back here again, we'll be back here in february. and mitch mcconnell knows that, mitch mcconnell knows that his word, inside the senate chamber, is on the line, if he breaks his word -- that doesn't go to the

detriment of the democratic party. that goes to the democratic of mitch mcconnell. this is a 90/10 issue. and by the way, we're going to be talking about a pennsylvania congressional race that's competitive. there's some affluent suburbs around pittsburgh, that are in that district. just like mountain brook, an affluent suburb of birmingham, alabama. yeah, let's see the republicans lie about putting this up for a vote. let's see the republicans go ahead and go against what 90% of americans want. let's see what that does for them in affluent suburbs that have always voted republican, that voted democratic for doug jones. and will vote democrat nick the pittsburgh race, too. if they lie, break their word, and go against the will of 90% of americans. that's their caught call. still ahead, democratic senators claire mccaskill and chris coons, independent senator

angus king. plus a new report points to more tension between the president and the fbi. what the white house is saying about that. and just a short time ago, we learned a powerful 8.2 earthquake off the coast of alaska has now triggered a tsunami warning. let's go straight to bill karins for the latest. >> scary times for coastal areas of british columbia and alaska. but things are looking a little bit better. the number was downgraded from 8.2, to a 7.9 magnitude. still shallow, only 10 kilometers. it was located in the gulf of alaska. this is the tsunami travel time map. what we were watching, one of the buoys, this little red dot had a water displacement of 30 feet so we were thinking, wow, this could be really bad for the alaska coastline and british columbia. but these other little buoys have reported nothing at all. kodiak should have been hit by now. they were expecting a 1:45 local time. right now it's 2:30 local time. no reports.

we do have a video of people evacuating the area. they're telling everybody in kodiak to get above 100 feet. this is the middle of the night, everyone was told to go to higher ground so far, no tsunami wave has hit. kodiak or anywhere on the alaska coastline. we also just found out the tsunami watch has been canceled for hawaii. they don't think there's going to be any significant impacts in hawaii. we have a tsunami watch for the northwest coast and british columbia, if a tsunami wave was to reach the west coast, it would be about 7:30 east coast time but no reports of any tsunami waves. so very scary times, a huge earthquake, no reports of any damage on land and so far no reports of any tsunami wave but we'll once we give you the all-clear in the pacific northwest we'll bring it to you here on "morning joe."

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ray threatened to resign after a threat from jeff sessions to fire acting director. he told how set upset he was. sources said white house counsel mcgann told sessions that this wasn't worth losing the fbi director over. a white house response called rey a true man of character and the right choice to clean up the fbi's leadership. is a stating that president trump believes politically motivated senior leaders, including former director comey and others empowered have tainted the agency's reputation for unbiased pursuit of justice. joining us is the roarer erepo behind the story, jonathan swan. flesh this out what was the chain here? was it from the white house, the attorney general to the fbi director? >> well just to be clear from

the start, neither the justice department nor the fbi, nor the white house denies a single fact in my story. point number one. point number two, this was sessions and trump in a rare moment of mind melding, you had donald trump publicly calling for mccabe's head and jeff sessions privately putting a lot of pressure on the new director, christopher wray. and this is not a new phenomenon. this has been going on for months. according to my reporting. and again, just to stress, not denied by the justice department, the fbi or the white house. christopher wray threatened, he basically said i'm not going to stand for this. and threatened to resign. and sessions conveyed just how upset he was to the white house counsel don mcgann. and don mcgann said, paraphrased bay source briefed on the conversation, don mcgann said look, it's not worth losing an

fbi director. we don't want this seen. just stand down hand that sort of cooled it down a little so that's the sequence of events. >> so jonathan, true, is it not that andrew mccabe could not be fired without cause, since he's a career guy at the fbi. >> right. >> you couldn't just fire him on a whim, right? >> sure. but you could reassign him. some have pointed out the use of the word "fire." sessions said i want him gone or words to that effect. so what they did with james a. baker, the fbi's top lawyer, they reassigned him. they could put him somewhere not in that job. so i take your point about the word "fired" but effectively remove him from that position and put him somewhere else. >> is there any sense jonathan of how president trump reacted when it was relaid back to him regentleman jeff sessions that this wouldn't be the best idea to continue to push christopher wray to the point where he might step aside? >> that, i don't know. >> okay. >> but what i do know is that

trump, you know, there's no difference between his public -- this is one of those rare things where, you can't dispute what trump believes about this. because it's all there on the public record. i mean it's, when he said to lester holt, you know, in the famous interview, something about russia was one of the reasons why he got rid of comey. he's literally said this on the public record. >> well jonathan, also, do you remember the tweet where when he was starting to go after mccabe, he was saying he just wants to coast to get full retirement. and trump seemed embittered. >> yes. >> that he was going -- that he was going to be retiring, anyway, after honorably serving this country for, for many, many years. but you could even see in that tweet, he wanted him gone. he didn't want him to get full retirement. >> no, i mean -- it was very clear from that tweet that trump

was just again poking, poking and poking and poking. this is one of those situations where jeff sessions behind the scenes, jeff sessions doesn't tweet but behind the scenes jeff sessions has been just as forceful as trump has and it really got christopher wray's back up. >> the tweets go back even farther than that. if you look back to july 26 it said why did ag sessions replace actor fbi director, andrew mccabe, a comey friend from the clinton administration. i wanted to ask you about wilbur ross, we've heard details that the president is done with him, upset with him, finished having him around. perhaps because he falls asleep in meetings, what else can you tell us? >> the falling asleep in meetings is, i know it sounds like sort of a colorful gossipy detail. but it's actually more prevalent than you know, you might imagine.

it happens very, very frequently. and even after my story broke, i heard that it happened lots and lots of times. including senior capital aides saying he fell asleep cold in a meeting. and people have had to tap him to wake him up in meetings. he fell asleep on a conference call that is a problem. but where this routes back is earlier last year, he did some, before robert leithauser had taken over as the top negotiator. wilbur ross had taken the lead on china. the chinese adviser came for a visit and he had dinner with him and he thought he had cut a deal with him on steel and he took this deal to president trump and president trump said this is a terrible deal, you don't know anything, you're a terrible negotiator. i don't want you negotiating for me any more. and this was in front of other staff. like he humiliated wilbur in front of everyone.

and since then, trump has said to people, a phrase he uses about wilbur, he said wilbur has lost his step. and he actually said, he's probably lost a lot of steps. so trump has been denigrating him, took him off the field last july and wilbur has tried to ingratiate himself since then. he's been trying to court his colleagues with dinners. but he's never going to be the force he was when he came into this administration. >> donald trump proves to anybody that's working for him right now and anybody that's listening to our program right now, being loyal to wilbur ross, or to donald trump, never pays off. because in the end, he will use you, humiliate you and throw you away. that's what he did with wilbur ross. some of jonathan's report something obviously concerning. somebody connected with the white house saying yes, wilbur is really good until about 11:00

a.m. >> yeah. which i guess gets to the doziness. what i was wondering from jonathan's reporting on wilbur ross was to what extent he thought this was a policy difference that the president had with ross over trade. i mean one of the interesting things in the first year of the trump administration is that he hasn't imposed massive tariffs on join and he hasn't blown you have nafta yet. we may start to see that happen. we've seen some tariffs come in in the last 24 hours. is it policy at all? or is it other things that he feels he's not tough enough, not as rich as he said he was going to be and he nods off in meetings? >> it's not policy. because at this point wilbur's m.o. is basically agreeing with everything the president says, according to source who is watch them interact. it's more that trump doesn't think he's the deal-maker or negotiator that he was in his prime. that's more the deal rather than policy. >> jonathan swan, thank you very much. for being on this morning. up next, democratic senator

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my first thought in watching all this is no, i i want aware that the jerry springer show was in syndication. i know this is naive, and this isn't the way things are done around here, but the way we've done things around here for the past ten years, pretty much sucks. i'm not a betting man, but if i were, i wouldn't bet right now what's going to happen. if you put a gun to my head and said make a bet, i'd make a bet, but i would try to lay off most of it. that stuff is the reason the aliens won't talk to us. this is the united states congress. many of my constituents have, have felt for a long time that our country was founded by geniuses, but it was, it's being run by idiots. i like to go back to america. but i'm stuck in washington, d.c. and i'm staying here and we're going to get this done. everybody else in america is kind of wondering how some folks up here made it through the birth canal. >> oh, wow, okay, a lot of

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what appeals to our base for some primaries several years from now is not what i'm worried about. what i'm worried about is how do we solve real problems. my gut is at the end of the day that's what people are looking for in a next national leader as well. for my colleague who is are hoping that they might be on the ticket in 2020, i don't think simply moving further to the left is the best way to accomplish that. >> so that was our next guest, senator chris coons speaking yesterday with kasie hunt after several of his democratic colleagues voted no to reopening the government. among them, were some of the parties rumored 2020 president detention hopefuls, including senators cory booker, kristen

gillibrand, camilla harris, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. senator chris coons of delaware joins us now. is it fair to say you're concerned several more interested in their own political futures than the issues at hand? >> well i work in washington, i work in the united states senate. and the old joke is that every senator gets up in the morning and looks in the mirror and says good morning, mr. president and i serve with dozens of people who think that they, too, could be president some day. given the dysfunction and at times even the chaos that president trump has caused in our capitol this past year, it's easier than ever to understand why many of my colleagues think they could do a better job. in the interview with kasie, what i was trying to focus on was being positive about the bipartisan working group that spent all weekend working together to come to a stronger agreement about moving forward on daca and border skust and how my growing confidence in the

republicans in that group led me to believe we really have a chance at fixing this problem. and i do think the average american, if we had a government shutdown that had lasted as long as it did in 2013, would have just been disgusted with all of us, when we do things in washington collectively that lead the average american to change the channel and say a pox on all your houses, that's not good for the country, it's not good for our party. and i think it just drives us farther apart. so i was trying to be positive about the prospects now for a real vote on the floor of the senate on immigration, for the first time in five years. >> well, and senator, how could even the most progressive members of your caucus, who want to represent your party, as the presidential nominee in 2020, how could they not celebrate the fact that in exchange for keeping the government open for three weeks, you were able to

get health care for nine million of the most truly disadvantaged children across america, and get that funding over six years? what progressive would not call that a victory? >> joe, i do think getting c.h.i.p., the children's health insurance program re-authorized and funded for six years, something that's been lapsed for months now, was a big step forward. but frankly, i think everybody in our caucus knows that there remain several other important things not addressed. community health centers. disaster relief. remember the hurricane damage that puerto rico and virgin islands and florida and texas is youring through. funding for the opioid crows is and addressing daca and border security. my hope is with the new opening in the next 17 days -- we will negotiate a solution to all of these. >> senator, those are still on the table and mitch mcconnell only got an additional three

weeks, it's not like had you to give any of those up. there's a three-week extension. and this morning, nine million children from the least advantaged homes in america know, they're going to have health care reform. how is that a loss if you didn't give anything snup but three weeks? >> and we gained a commitment by majority leader mcconnell on the floor, with specificity, that by february 8th there will be a vote on the floor of the senate on daca, and border security and that that debate will begin with a neutral base bill. there was a lot of concern given his initial wording where he said it is my intention to move to immigration. that what we would have gotten on february 8th is he put a bill by cotton and perdue on the floor, we would have one up or down vote on the floor and that's it, we would have moved on. the actual wording he said on the floor yesterday mattered to the bipartisan group that was trying to move us forward to a real debate that could resolve

our unaddressed issues here. the larger issue for all of us is we don't have an agreement on increasing spending for our defense and domestic needs, we're still under the budget agreement caps. we still don't have a resolution to appropriations. that's one of the most urgent things to work on the next two weeks. >> senator coons, to the daca commitment made by majority leader mcconnell. those senators you were talking about, harris, booker, gillibra gillibrand, warren, they say they need something more concrete on the question of protecting daca recipients, that's something that lot of progressives and democrats watching will feel as well. why did you all trust? why did you all make this deal predicated on a promise from mitch mcconnell on daca, instead of getting it done here and now as part of the spending resolution? >> i understand the skepticism that many in my caucus and in the country feel because there

have been some instances recently where it was reported that promises were made to specific senators and they were not kept. i have growing confidence in the group of republican senators that were meeting a with a group of democrats for several days, we spent hours, i think a total of eight hours together fairly intensively over three days. i believe they are committed, several of them intensely committed to moving this issue forward in a positive way, and to working together to get 60 votes, leader mcconnell has given us time on the floor and made a commitment in such a public way. i find it hard to believe he would walk that back. because he's making that commitment to key members of his own caucus. both privately and publicly. and at the end of the day, i was convinced we were not going to get more from him than that commitment. it was time to move forward. >> kasie? >> senator coons, good to see you again.

"the new york times" is reporting this morning that activists were on a call yesterday and several of them expressed anger with senator amy klobuchar, one of the people in the room with you because they feel as though she betrayed progressive values. they're talking about potentially primarying her and that this could spread across the map as well. do you think democrats are facing a potential insurrection like the one republicans faced in 2010 and what do you say to those activists? >> i certainly hope not, although when i look back at the division in the republican party in 2010, i'm grateful because it was a tea party primary here in delaware that made it possible for me to be in the united states senate. so if you want to lose that state seat, go for it. i'll say amy klobuchar is

committed to making progress and making a difference. if that's another no enot advan progressive values, i don't know what is. she was one of the real leaders of the group and i believe is wholeheartedly behind solving these problems. that's the kind of things folks are looking for and i don't think it's a betrayal of progressive values deserving a primary to work to advance one of the mortar divisive issues of our country which is addressing immigration. >> senator chris coons, thank you so much. good to have you on the show. gene robinson, your new column for the "washington post" is entitled "trump is being used and he doesn't even know it." you write this "everybody seems to know what president trump wants except president trump. he was foolish enough to believe he wanted a deal that would allow nearly 700,000 undocumented immigrants brought here to stay and 32-year-old

stephen miller had to set trump straight. no, trump learned, apparently he does not seek a compassionate agreement on the daca after all." trump, wheress cold little cinder of a heart believes he is running the policy. is he so engrossed in what he obviously views as his most urgent tafbsk -- watching hours and hours of cable news -- that he doesn't see how he has become marginalized? that he is being used? that's a good question, gene. and i think it's a legitimate one. i don't think he does. >> well, you know, you wonder sometimes. we're used to having a president who sets policy. who gives parameters and says we'll go there far, we won't go

that far. this president doesn't understand policy. he doesn't -- for all i know, how much does he actually know about what daca does? so you get a scene like we had the other day where he makes a deal with chuck schumer and has to be essentially rapped on the knuckles by this 32-year-old would be rasputin, stephen miller who says, you know, no, no, we're not going to do that. so miller and sessions and tom cotton are making immigration policy, and john kelly and president trump isn't. >> and, you know, adding on to the concept of gene's column, noah, it appears the wizard of oz has let down the curtain by virtue of his own obsession with reality tv. he brings everyone into this meeting with democrats and

republicans at the white house and shows how completely illiterate he is on the policy and kind of throws it on the table like i depend on you to come up with this and i like that but, oh, wait, i don't? okay, maybe i don't like that. i mean, he really revealed himself in this whole process to be kohl plee being completely out of it. >> and being malleable on process. >> not because he's nice. he doesn't know. >> i think he does want to be liked by whoever is in front of him at the time. >> at the moment. >> it's telling how many republican senators went on record when chuck schumer went over to the white house and they had a one on one meeting and they said -- they were asked "are you comfortable with donald trump negotiating for you on policy?" and they were like "eh, sort of. maybe not entirely." i think you can draw a straight line from the meeting where donald trump struck a deal with chuck and nancy for short-term funding of this government in september, i think it was, all the way to now. because the republican play list

to push government funding well into this year and they ended up pushing it to december where we had a stopgap for chip funding, et cetera, moving forward to this daca deal. it's been building from that one mistake and that was donald trump's mistake. i think republicans are comforted by the fact that he's deferring to john kelly and stephen miller but it isn't good for the agenda. >> katty, noah used the word "malleable" but it's more than just that, those two issues, it's taxation, health care, it's a problem. >> and when you go back over the course of the campaign, twhawha were the two issues the president seemed to stand firm on? one was the wall and one was trade. america always had a bad deal on trade and he was going to be tough. one was the wall and mexico is going to pay for it. yet those two central issues -- immigration and trade -- he seems to be as manipulatable -- if that's even a word -- as he

has on other issues. the two core issues of the success of his election campaign. he's also, in that meeting, shown himself to be yeah, i'll take this, i'll take that, i don't know what i'll take and maybe it will change in two weeks time. you see've seen the same thing on trade as well. >> eugene robinson, huathank yo very much. coming up, mitch mcconnell promises to take up a vote on daca next month in the senate but what are house republicans saying? we'll talk to congressman tom cole. plus, three senators from three different parties, democrat claire mccaskill, independent angus king and republican mike rounds. "morning joe" is coming right back. [ click, keyboard clacking ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] ♪ good questions lead to good answers.

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ie. >> the senate reached a deal to reopen the government, though it's a little like when there's a power outage and then the lights come back on and you see how crappy your apartment is. yay! oh, right. to try to avoid the government shutdown, president trump sat down with senate minority leader chuck schumer over cheeseburgers. "are you going to finish that?" said schumer about trump's first term. [ laughter ] president trump is claiming victory but it may be short lived. congress gets to do it all over again in just a few weeks time. that will be fun, right? welcome back to "morning joe." it's tuesday, january 23.

with us we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, associated editor of commentary magazine noah rothman, washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay and joining the conversation, senior writer at politico and co-author of "the play book" jake sherman. so, joe, the thought of doing this all over again, will it amount to something? is it a productive process? at least the way the stage is set now? >> yeah, i think so. it was a phony war, as i said last hour, borrowing from the first six or seven months of world war ii. it was a three day shutdown and it was a good test for democrats who found out if you're going to start a government shutdown you better have an exit strategy. they didn't have an exit strategy so i think there was some panic yesterday. they said, they can go back to

their base and talk about giving nine million children health care, the most disadvantaged children in america for an additional six years and, yes, that was in friday's deal but they got it in monday's deal and they only extended the government funding for three weeks so mitch mcconnell is going to have to follow through on his word. are we going to be here again three weeks from now? willie, it's hard to imagine that especially in this sort of news churn cycle we live in the age of trump that people are going to remember this three days from now let alone three weeks from now, three months from now or even in november. do you think -- all these people talking about we won, we lost. do you think there's even any reason to try to score this thing at home? >> no, i've been thinking that all along when i hear this analysis of the implications of this for november of 2018 as if

somebody is stepping into a voting booth and going to say "remember that shutdown for three days in january?" i don't think so and i also think it's baked into the way people feel about the way the government operates which is that they can't keep the lights on and they move in three-week increments to keep the government funded and open. it has specific implications, as you said, for children's health for the next six years and perhaps we heard optimism from senator chris coons of delaware perhaps for daca that mitch mcconnell has made this commitment and promise to raise the issue and get a vote on in the the next few weeks. >> and mike you said something positive last hour and something i think americans should actually feel positive about for the next 12 hours or so and that is that over the weekend united states senators began acting like united states senators and

not stooge of presidents or party leaders. >> yeah, they created a safe house, sanctuary city, susan collins' office, they had 20 to 25 senators from both parties gathered together saying hey, we are the united states senators, let's start acting like united states senators and to the question you posed to willie, joe, i suggest that if you go beyond the beltway or beyond manhattan or whoever among -- where the elites gather, you'd find out a large portion of america think what is occurs in washington is basically not a clown car but a clown caravan encompassed by people of both parties from the president on down. >> noah, we've been talking about the senate for good reason because most of this fight was in the united states senate. now i'm pretty sure dhaka is going to get resolved in the senate because 09/10 issues have

a way of getting involved in legislative bodies where legislators are elected from an entire state. it's also in donald trump's best interest as somebody that wants to be reelected in 2020 to be on the right side of a 90/10 issue. bit's far different in this gerrymandered republican house where it's not in the best interest of a lot of republicans to have daca passed. be best political interest that is. what do you expect we should be looking at over the next three weeks? >> there were some worrying signs. if you think this is an easy slam dunk policy and you want to see it passed, and i think everybody does, there needs to be movement on both sides. donald trump was absent over the week innoceend in this whole de which was disciplined on his part because he would have gummed up the works. he can't be absent on a daca

debate. he has to give republicans cover to vote for something and in order for him to do that he needs something transactional which means a concession on the securities side of things. chuck schumer said he's interested in doing that even in so far as it goes to funding quote/unquote the wall which probably won't be a wall and democrats will have to be disciplined by not taking a victory lap saying they will do it. but democrats don't want one concession on border security particularly when it comes to border barriers like the wall so everybody will be dug into their positions and there will have to be compromise if you want to see daca extended beyond the march 5 deadline. >> agawhich again, katty kay is lunacy that liberals would be angry about a border wall because it's just symbolism just like the border wall itself is nothing but symbolism because you don't have illegal immigrants streaming across the

border any more. it's been cut down so dramatically that there's a negative flow going the other way, right? >> it's -- both republicans and democrats have gotten themselves into a position where they are in a whole load of political hot water around something that will never happen, that isn't needed and that we all know is never going to happen and mexico is never going to fund it. it's add to we've got into this position where a government shutdown over something like that. democrats and the democratic base are up in arms over something that will never happen and the white house and the republican party is up in arms over something, the white house in particular, something that will never happen, this mythical wall. they'd be much better off dropping the issue of something that's unrealistic and start talking about what can happen. it does seem very unlikely that between now and march an issue that caused america and many other countries around the world so much pain to try and

legislation over the last eight to ten years will be resolved in the next two or three weeks and the question for democrats is what happens if they manage to get this bipartisan group led by susan collins to come up with something and then there's a problem in the house or the white house. then what happens? what's their play book then? >> let's go to a couple reporters in the trenches for the last three or four days on capitol hill following every twist and term. jake sherman and garrett haake, our capitol hill correspondent. garrett, what are democrats like chuck schumer, what is the leadership of the democratic party thinking and how are they responding to the criticism from members of their own caucus and many progressives who feel like they gave away the store on daca. that the whole point of holding up the government as democrats did for the last few days was to get protection for daca recipients and that they didn't. >> they have a couple weeks to prove that wing of the party wrong. there is this runway to negotiate now on this issue and you saw it yesterday with the

republicans going to the white house, that group of chuck grassley, tom cotton, some other hard line republicans going the white house before the government was even reopened to rejoin the fight on immigration. if democrats are going to win this, they'll have to do it on the merits and they'll have to do it with moderate republicans who were involved in the meetings to reopen the government that we've seen in the last couple days. you can only fire this shutdown bullet one time, essentially. even liberal members of the senate concede this is a one-shot deal to try the tactic now the senate has to produce something and work backwards up the chain. if the senate can get a bill through and convince the president it's in his best interest to do a deal, a big capital d deal this president wants to do then the president can push it back through the house. i can't help but think a couple months ago when the house health care bill failed no one other than lindsey graham was the first person saying you can't count on this white house for a

political cover, i think if this deal gets done you will see probably the exact same lindsey graham saying we need the white house to provide political cover for house republicans. >> so democrats have a commitment from leader mcconnell to take up daca in these three weeks leading up to february 8 but do they have some confidence going forward that they will work out a deal. it's one thing to say yes, they will talk about it but they want a deal to protect the recipients of daca. none of those senators mentioned visiting the white house by garrett are going to vote for a pathway to citizenship for daca recipients so do democrats feel like they can get a deal on this? >> i want to be darker than perhaps everybody else on this show and in d.c. i think there's virtually no deal for anything happening. there's no chance for the deal. this is all theater. the senate looks like it's like west wing right now. the tv show. i like the -- it's great people from both parties are in a room together talking but the house

isn't going do what they do. period. the end. we need to stop pretending they are. i went up and talked to steve scalise during the senate vote and he just got back from the hospital where he had surgery a couple days ago and he said to me "we're not going to pass anything that looks like graham-durbin, we're not going to pass anything that looks like amnesty, and we're not bound by the deal that we need to get something by february 8 so it's nice they cut that deal in the senate but that's between them and we'll do what we're going to do." and if you've watched the house as we all have for the past several years, they don't respond to political pressure. on almost any front, immigration, gun laws, anything. so i just think this is a complete exercise in fantasy and we should be prepared for the lowest common denominator of an immigration deal. >> so jake, you actually going where i was going to go next.

we're talking about the senate, the bill can get done in the senate. the president should stay out of the wa the way in the senate, but in the house it's going to take the united states dragging the united states house, dragging paul ryan, dragging the freedom caucus across the finish line or at least telling the freedom caucus vote against it if you want but we're getting democratic votes. that's the way you get dak in exchange for border wall funding if, right? >> yes, but the freedom caucus views this in a completely different way. they will view this and this is what they've told me. as the president getting bad advice from the republican leadership where they believe the republican leadership should be going to them saying, hey, mr. trump, you should do a republican only immigration deal. we have all of government, ignore the democrats and that's the way they view it. they will hold paul ryan responsible. they will not hold the president

responsible because they believe the republican -- >> but, jake i understand that. but if the freedom caucus is against any daca deal, even if they get tougher border security, they are the 10%. 90% of americans want this deal to be done. they are the 10%. will donald trump listen to stephen miller and the 10% or will he do a daca deal that 90% of americans will be supportive of? i would guess that even he may be able to see the logic in that? >> i would assume so. although there are two people in the house that donald trump talks to on a regular basis, the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy and mark meadows, the head of the freedom caucus. and meadows still has a tremendous amount of influence with this president and has convinced him on several occasions to follow his lead and not the republican leadership. the house had been controlled by the 10% as you put it for a long

time. that's who holds the cards in the house of representatives, in the house republican conversation so i don't know if that dynamic changes here. i don't think so. you have a lot of republicans making the argument that we're going into a midterm argument, our base will be depressed if we do an immigration deal that sniffs of anything like amnesty. >> so garrett we just heard the darth vader darkness deal. >> jake is so negative. >> sorry. sorry. >> what do your sources indicate? anything close to what jake just gave us? >> i'll just say that on jake's darth vader scenario, let me pull back the lens, all three of those republican leaders have d.r.e.a.m.ers in their district so i could foresee a scenario in which the senate acts, the house does nothing and if deportations start to happen or if d.r.e.a.m.ers get thrown out of the country come march, that's a top story on every local newscast in every district in the country. that could change house members'

minds. i'm fascinated by this bipartisan group meeting in susan collins' office over the last weekend. i think if that group can hang together there's a possibility they can generate something at least in this body. at least get something through the senate and have a result. if i'm any of the members in that group, i'm looking at somebody like lisa murkowski who is one of the few people in the senate who can say they've put points on the board playing hard ball with mitch mcconnell and donald trump and gotten stuff they wanted. there are people in there who can find a way to get something done and when there's action in the senate, i think it does create a lot of additional pressure on the president and the house to take this seriously. >> and the president has been removed from the process which could be helpful. garrett haake and jake german, thank you both. we'll talk about that with republican congressman tom cole straight ahead. and it's not just the president's use of twitter that has serious implications and has been incredibly damaging. we're learning more about why it took the state of hawaii so long

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and with just a single word, find all the answers you're looking for - because getting what you need should be simple, fast, and easy. download the xfinity my account app or go online today. welcome back to "morning joe." let's go to tom cole, republican from oklahoma. the senate i'm guessing is going to come to a deal on a 90/10 issue that will involve daca and border security. much more difficult in the house. do you see that sort of bill making it through the house without the president's intervention or direct pressure on some members? >> i think the more promising negotiation is going on that involves the house, the senate, and the administration, the so called group of number twos. from the senate you have senator

cornyn and senator durbin from the house, you've got kevin mccarthy and steny hoyer and then you have to secretary of homeland security, secretary neilsen and general kelly. that was most likely to produce a deal that can navigate through the senate and house. this is an institutional position but self-appointed groups of senators that gang up, that's fine, they can do whatever they want but it's not likely to get through the house. you have to involve all the elements in the deal from the have binning in the negotiations. >> so what are the number twos? what are the number twos thinking about? >> well, i understand the plan but the principles they're negotiating on in that famous televised meeting of all the leaders were four principles, one is a daca solution, the second is border security, the

third is something on chain migration and the fourth is the lottery system. those ought to be the main elements of the deal. they answer all the concerns the administration has plus get legal status for daca kids which everybody around the table wants to do. so that to me is the best way to move forward and i'm hopeful that negotiation will produce something and pass on a bipartisan basis. >> and when you talk about chain migration and also the lottery, those are two areas we can expect to become more restrictive in any deal? >> i would hope so. look, i think the lottery really doesn't have much of a clear purpose. we ought to be letting people into the country that either have a legitimate claim, they're refugees or that bring some needed skill set but this willy-nilly we'll add 50,000 people whether it will be productive or not, that doesn't make much sense. chain migration is trickier because it's also called family reunification. but there's got to be some

reasonable boundary to it. and probably the republican position would be the nuclear family. democrats would probably want something more expansive but there's enough room that to come to sort sort of reasonable compromise. >> congressman cole, willie geist, good to see you this morning. we've heard a lot of sunshine coming out of the senate, senator chris coons, democrats and republicans alike, they said we didn't get a deal on daca but we believe the conversation has changed and that we'll have a vote on this question. do you feel in the house bound at all by what mitch mcconnell has committed in the senate? in other words senate can do all at once but once it goetzs to you it's an entirely different consideration. >> that's correct. >> are you prepared to have that conversation in the house? >> i'm not prepared to follow whatever the senate decides to do. that's what the system is supposed to do. that's an agreement inside the senate but it doesn't bind the house to even get the date changed which is the only difference between what we voted on friday and what we voted on

tuesday was with the permission of the speaker. anyone that would be bound by our deliberations so we will sit down with them and work with them, we have a framework, we have a negotiation under way, it was under way on friday, it was interrupted by all of this. i wish the senate -- we have sent 441 bills to the united states senate, we've passed all the appropriations bills in the house, we've been waiting for 140 days to sit down with the senate to negotiate. they haven't passed a single bill. we passed a real budget, they haven't passed a real budget. so they need to focus on the basics and their rules structure makes it very difficult. lost in all of this is the fact that there are 51 senators on friday in favor of continuing the operation of the government and they shut down even though a majority of them wanted to keep the government running. they need to look at that on the appropriation bill. >> you have said, though, that

d.r.e.a.m.ers ought to get legal status in exchange for tighter border security. >> yes, it's just logical. you had a daca problem because you had a porous border so let's be compassionate and deal people who have been here, as you say, through no fault of their own, for many cases don't have a home to go back to but let's fix the problem as well so i think the position is -- there's a lot of latitude to come up with a reasonable deal. both those are 80% issues. so is border security so if you can't make a deal when you have that kind of support in the public you're not trying very hard. >> congressman, noah rothman "commentary" magazine. 2011, 2013, i remember hearing democrats describing republican efforts to exact concessions over funding the government, the debt ceiling, raising the debt ceiling as hostage taking, political terrorism. i have you quoted as saying "we

are not in the business of negotiating with terrorists whether they are political or otherwise. do you think that's a fair comparison of your colleagues to call them political terrorists? >> i do. when you shut down the government over an unrelated issue -- and for the record i opposed the republican shutdown in 2013 so i think that is exactly what was done. the democrats are smarter, they saw they were a dead end and they retreated quickly and i think they were wise to do so. the longer this went on, the worse it was going to be because it makes life worse for the american people. it's never an appropriate tactic to shut down the government to achieve some unrelated political objective. >> a follow-up, congressman. do uyou believe that it was overheated political rhetoric that led to the attempted assassination over your colleague over the summer? >> the attempted -- >> i don't feel your question. >> the attack on republicans in alexandria, virginia. >> oh, i'm sorry. i don't know. i think we live in an extremely polarized era that isn't started

in washington. i think washington reflects what's happening in the country. the red places in america are redder, the blue places are bluer, it's harder to bridge the divide so we have a deeper cultural problem here we need to work through but certainly overheated rhetoric doesn't help. >> back to political terrorists, aren't republicans in charge across the board? >> we would be if the senate operated by a simple majority. but they've chosen to empower the minority. and they've done that on both sides but it's interesting to me that former senator reid has predicted the filibuster and the cloture rule will someday end and he started that process when he lowered the threshold for presidential nominees and every judicial nominee except supreme court to a simple majority and then we followed suit doing exactly the same thing on the supreme court from neil gorsuch. so slowly it's withering away

but that system worked in a certain period. it doesn't appear to be working well now. >> even republicans voted against it. since there is time now just on daca to try and do this again, do you think given what we've seen in the past few weeks coming out of the white house from the president himself, do you think it perhaps might be more helpful if the president did not tweet during this time? >> well, look, i'm not going to second guess what the president wants to do. i think his tweets during the crisis were very controlled, very pointed and probably helpful and his tweet this morning, nothing wrong with that, let's go to the negotiating table. he handled himself very well during this. he allowed the events to unfold, they were unfolding to his advantage, the administration did everything it could to minimize the impact of the shutdown. i give him high grades for this particular episode so we'll see

going forward but he did what he needed to do and he walked out the winner not the loser. >> yeah. i think that it included the comments where he called certain countries horrible names. i don't know -- >> well, i wouldn't ever excuse those kinds of comments. on the other hand, when you take them out and start spreading them around and exacerbate the situation, you have to ask yourself whether you're being helpful or not but the issue there was in my view you should haven't tried to end run the process. we had senators coming in with what they thought was a deal but it wasn't an acceptable deal to the standpoint of the president, it would have never gotten through the house. let's go back and put everybody at the negotiating table, it has to sign off on this thing, not just a group of senators. i'm sorry, the constitution demands it get through the house and demands the president sign it. so if those people are not at the table, your chances of getting a deal go down.

>> congressman tom cole, always good to have you on the show. up next, two senators from different parties who both oppose short-term spending deals but are hopeful this would lead to something significant. republican mike rounds and independent angus king join us for a rare joint interview next on "morning joe." ♪ got my chips cashed in, keep trucking ♪ ♪ like the two dog man (whispering) with the capital one venture card, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. not just airline purchases. think about all the double miles you could be earning. (yelling) holy moly, that's a lot of miles! shh-h-h-h!

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>> look, self-appointed groups of senators that gang up, that's fine, they can do whatever they want, but it's not likely to get through the house that way. you have to involve all the elements in the deal from the beginning in the negotiations. >> that was congressman tom cole on "morning joe" throwing cold water on efforts from a select group of senators looking to push through legislation on immigration. we'll talk to two of those centrist senators, mike rounds and anxious gus king in just a moment but what did you make of what tom cole had to say just now? >> well, he is right that there tends to be and there's always been a greater focus on what

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noing us now from capitol hill we have both independent senator angus king of maine and republican senator mike rounds of south dakota. thank you so much for joining us. >> appreciate the opportunity. >> senator king, i'll start with you. we'll try and look at the hopeful signs here and i'll ask you given that this process has had a lot of fits and starts and this was this argument or debate over the president's vulgarities, moving forward what was the win for the democrats in this so that they could maybe have an honest negotiation moving forward and feel whole here? >> before i answer that question, i think there was a win for the american people which was the fact that there were 25 moderate senators from both parties who got deeply involved in this process and did shuttle diplomacy and contributed to ending the shut down. in terms of -- i think mitch mcconnell -- a couple of

important things happened. number one, he committed to bringing a bill to the floor on a date certain, number two, he talked about a neutral level playing field, a neutral bill in order to give us an even chance to get at this issue and finally, if you recall earlier last week and for the prior couple weeks, mitch mcconnell said i won't deal with this issue because the president hasn't told us what he's for and we'd only be spinning our wheels. as of yesterday morning, mitch mcconnell said we're not waiting for the president anymore, we're bringing a bill to the floor on february 8. if we can't get it resolved before then -- and make and i are both involved in discussions that started within hours of the vote yesterday to try to get to an agreement on the daca border security issue. so i think that was positive and i quoted mick jagger on the floor the other day. you can't always get what you want but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need. >> we're for any mick jagger

quote on this show. senator, it's willie geist. you said? a tweet among other things with the shutdown coming to an end now we can "permanently address daca." what does that mean to you to permanently address daca? there are a lot of democrats who are suspect of the motives of leader mcconnell and don't believe there will be a deal that protects daca recipients. would you be willing to vote for a bill that exchanges protection for daca recipients in exchange for border security? >> i think that's what the bill will finally end up with, both border security, a limitation on additional illegal immigration and security for the daca people who know nothing but the united states. we need work force, we need their talents, this is a positive thing for our country and i think we need to get past

the issue. if we can do a combination of those where we can answer with one of the president's requests with regards to his campaign promises and at the same time take care of these individuals who are in the country right now, get them into the work force and give stability in their lives i think we've got a win-win situation and maybe along the way we can do something about the h 2b visa issues as well. >> so border security is a catch all issue. what do you mean? is that a physical wall on the board? >> we had real discussions about that. if we're talking about border security systems, there are some places where a wall is the appropriate way to handle it. in some places it may be electronic surveillance. a wall you can see through, there may be some cases where it's a matter of appropriate fencing but in all of it you have to have the proper manpower. it's a system, not necessarily just a structure.

along with that -- and part of the discussion we had was -- you have to have your laws in some fashion so that you don't invite illegal immigration so you can get back to legal immigration. we may not get all the way tlul that discussion but we have to take care of the daca issue and the border security side of it and we don't have a lot of time in which to get it done. >> senator king, what would be the stumbling blocks for you in whatever comes to the floor of the senate. sounds like you just had senator rounds, we had tom cole on saying this is about border security for d.r.e.a.m.ers. what happens if the white house also wanted to have, say, an end of chain migration in there, family migration and an end to the visa lottery system. are those the hurdles that might get thrown in that would make it difficult for you to vote for this deal? >> well, i think you've identified a significant issue. what we're trying to focus on is not the whole immigration issue. there are lots of them and once

you dig into it it gets connected and complicated very fast. what we're trying to focus on is border security and the daca issue. we're going to have to develop a bill that attracts 60 or 70 vote. if the senate can get a supermajority, then the president and the house have to pay attention. that's the strategy. i'm not saying anything is off the table but i keep saying in these meetings -- and we had two of them yesterday after the end of the shutdown vote -- we can't get -- we can't try to do comprehensive immigration in three weeks. let's keep it narrow so we can get something realistic done. >> senator rounds, daca, chain migration, border security, you discuss it each and every day. if at 8:00 this morning you had

to go across the street and take the floor of the united states senate and describe what you feel is the president's position, what he wants to do with a new immigration bill, how confident would you be that you could outline what this president believes? >> i don't think the president has an exact position. i think at this point what he knows is that he's made a campaign promise he will do border security. he's identified it as a wall. people have a visual of a wall but it's a border security system. along with that he's indicated his desire -- and i do believe he wants to address the issue of daca, he wants to see that fixed. he's going to talk about a contract between the two or a connection between the two. when you get into the nuances of these young people having a road to citizenship in the future. so he's given us plenty of leeway but at the same time people say if you're giving him leeway you're not being exact in your discussions. at this point, we're in a good

shape to offer stuff and i think as long as we help him achieve his goals and he can come out saying "i've made progress once again" he'll be willing to work with us on the package. i agree with angus, we're not looking at 60 people in the senate. we want to have closer to 70 people and make it a bipartisan approach that will stand the test of time. >> senator king, it's a great day for america every time you're on tv in the morning, we appreciate it. [ laughter ] and if mick jagger was with you looking for the 70 votes, would he have a problem that out of 49 democrats in the united states senate maybe up to 40, as many as 40, are going to be running for president of the united states. >> only 40? >> thus taking you into the issue of identity politics getting into the way of getting something accomplished in the senate on immigration. do you worry about that? >> well, i think it's something of an issue.

they used to say it's hard to get things done in an election year. but around here it seems like every year is an election year. i think that's one of the problems. i think there are enough people. again, if we can keep the focus on daca and border security, we can come up with something that will work and i don't know -- i would -- my ideal bill would be one that would have 35 or 40 votes on each side, not necessarily pleasing everybody on either side of this debate. by definition, if you're working with compromise and that's what we have to do here, that's the way our system works, you won't make everybody happy but i do think -- and you know i think there are plenty of people and i've talked to republican senators one on one who are genuinely concerned about daca, who are genuinely concerned about these kids and are willing to talk about paths to citizen sh ship. and if we talk about border security, i think there is a path forward but it won't be

easy. the danger is -- and we talked about this yesterday -- you can attract republican votes and lose democratic votes. so we've got to try to build from the middle out. that's what we're starting later today. >> senators, noah rothman from commentary magazine. that's what i want to drill down on. we're being specific about border security but that's what is at issue. i understand donald trump was put on the table, his staffer said it was north of the $2.6 billion that was in the graham durbin proposal. are we to understand that we'll have something more substantial than that and that graham durbin is a not starter from the democratic perspective? >> i'm not sure it's a non-starter. i think for some republicans it's -- it may be a non-starter but i'm one of the folks that said i'm going to support this path moving forward but i disagree with some of the

concepts of the bill itself but i'm willing to work on it. with regard to the wall or the border security system that we talk about, we know that this is not a one-year process but there's got to be some be some assurances to the president that we're going to set enough resources aside to where we can actually not just start it, but get a long way down to getting it finished. once we do the daca fix, we still have to have the incentive for democrats to help finish the rest of the border security. those are the nuances that we're going to have to work our way through. >> so just so i understand, graham/durbin is still the template from which we're working here. >> we're trying to move away from that as being the template and talking about the different conceptions that were found in there, but not limiting it to just those. and so, yes, some of the pieces that were in graham/durbin will still be there, but we may have other things, as well.

>> we're working on a side by side with the graham/durbin provisions, the 2013 border security provisions, what dhs is telling us now they think they need, so we're going to have at least three main views to choose from and the question is how do we put something together. this is real stuff. we're talking about what will be effective, what will be the most efficient and effective way to secure the border and at the same time not waste the taxpayers money and come up with something that works. >> all right, senators angus king and mike rounds, we appreciate you both getting together this morning. come and see us. gentlemen, thanks very much. what do you make of what you heard beyond the mick jagger reference there? >> well, i mean, i'm stuck there, of course. >> me, too. >> but, you know, i think with the headline there is they're not just trying to get 60 votes. they want to get to 70 votes. even getting 70 votes in the

senate, while extraordinary on an issue like this, doesn't guarantee success. george w. bush had republican leaders and democratic leaders back in 2005, 2006, i think it was, could not get immigration passed. but i think in this case the time has come. this is a 90/10 issue i think on daca. i think americans will like the idea on border security. i think if they get 70 votes, willie, what do you think? i think that makes it a lot more enticing for donald trump to use leverage on the house. >> you would think so. and you even heard tom cole say, look, these people came here through no fault of their own. it's a 90/10 issue. we'll see. but as we've been reminded this morning, this is a play and two act in the congress. the sfeet is one story and the house is always an entirely different one. still ahead, donald trump won pennsylvania by only 1%. the democrats ohm hold 5 of the state's 18 congressional

districts. now the courts there say the electoral map has to be redrawn. also ahead -- >> since our meeting in the oval office on tri, the president and i have not spoken. and the white house refused to engage in negotiations over the weekend. the great deal making president sat on the sidelines. >> is donald trump's absence at the negotiating table the real art of making a deal on capitol hill? we'll discuss that as a temperature for a daca deal continues and senator claire mccaskill joins our conversation when "morning joe" comes right back. mccass kill. so, that goal you've been saving for,

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>> while this procedure will not satisfy everyone on both sides, it's a way forward. i'm confident that we can get the 60 votes in the senate for a daca bill. it is a good solution. and i will vote for it. >> and to the three-day shutdown is over. last night, president trump signed legislation to fund the government through february 8th. the deal extends the children's health insurance program for six years, but it did nothing on daca. for that, democrats got majority leader mitch mcconnell to commit to a vote on the issue next month, but house speaker paul ryan is making no such promises. welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, january 23rd. with us we have veteran columnist mike barnacle, associate editor of xhcommentar nua washington, eugene robinson

and nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host casey d.c. on msnbc. it gets her smiling in the morning. joe, what was the president's part in this way forward and what is the way forward? >> well, it sounds like his party was to get out of the way. most everybody said the reason they were able to get out of the way was the president and steven miller, who is obviously running the president's business were kept out of the way. and so the two sides could come together. listen, there are a lot of democrats that aren't happy. there are a lot of reasons for democratic activists to be concerned. it doesn't seem that the democrats have still learned how to fight a good political battle, a good political war legislatively with their communications. but, you know, had this ended up just being a funny war. this was to borrow a phrase from the beginning of world war ii,

this was a phony war. it was a three-day battle. it's not like they signed off for a six-year deal on keeping the government open. mitch mcconnell has given his word. mitch mcconnell keeps his word or else the democrats can do this again in february. that will be up to them. i just hope for their sake that if we do this again in february they will have actually planned the next month. if you're going to shut down the government, you've got to know what you're doing, you've got to know what your communication vatgy is and you've got to know what your next move is. people would always complain about newt gingrich saying, you know, you've always got that great first idea. but you never assume that the other side is going to react in a way that would not be

advantageous to you. what's the second act? and that's what chuck schumer, that's what nancy pelosi, that's what a lot of democrats need to figure out. we don't have a parliamentary system. there is no opposition leader to donald trump. chuck schumer does what chuck schumer does very well in his bubble in the senate. nancy pelosi does what she does very well in her bubble in the house. that is their job and that's a big enough job. but there is no opposition leader. you've got 16 democrats running around who all want to be president of the united states. and that doesn't actually make things easier for chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. >> 2 dozen senators from both parties broke the shutdown, known as the common sense coalition, the bipartisan group grammed into the office of republican susan collins for days the in an effort to get the government up and running again. eventually, they won over their parties' leadership.

as the times notes, it fulfilled the rarely hope that a centrist could bridge the senate. it remains to be clear if they can tackle the debt ceiling, immigration, daca and border security. casey, i don't know if you've ever left the capital in this story. >> barely. >> but watching this process, it seemed like something certainly worked in that room, but boy, did we get a sense of how the the white house operates throughout all this. >> yeah. and i think -- i'm still trying to piece together exactly what it is that happened in that room that allowed us to get here. everyone on both sides, and i've talked to many of the senators involved in these negotiations yesterday, they all say that they were able to build trust among themselves. that has been the word we have been talking about throughout this. no ones has trusted anybody

else. the leaders didn't trust each other. the rank and file democrats didn't trust mcconnell. but what seemed to happen is they decided that they were going to trust this block of 12 or so republicans would told them privately and repeatedly that they would have their back in the event that mitch mcconnell goes back on this promise. and i do think that the president plays a role here. because, you know, joe, you have consistently -- so many mornings, we have woken up and you have asked the question, when are republican leaders going to turn on the president? and i've come to conclude that the answer to that question may always be no. however, i do get the sense that the mess theage that these republicans, these moderate republicans sent to these democrats was, we see what's going on in this country. we think it's wrong. and we want to work together to try and figure out if we can be a center of power that can make a real difference. and now, they're going to be tested in this immigration

debate. >> yeah. you know, it's been a frustration, willie geist, for years now that senators get elected, house members get elected. they go up and you have twoer or three leaders on both sides making decisions. they do it behind closed doors. they either send it to barack obama or before that george w. bush. now donald trump. and they sign off on it. something i think, i hope, and it is just a hope, very positive happened when the government got shut down. you saw that scene at midnight on friday night going into saturday morning. and you saw a lot of senators talking to each other. and i -- i was actually very comforted by that fact. and i have noticed a more positive working relationship between these senators over the past three days. last night, you had louisiana republican senator john kennedy starting his remarks on hard ball, thanking chuck schumer for reopening the government saying i don't agree with him, but hey, we're going to talk this

through. we're going to get to a deal. who knows, maybe peace breaks out when senators know they have to deal with senators and keep trump on the side. >> yeah. dick durbin had that tone on the floor. he turned first and thanked mitch mcconnell. i think it's probably because both sides realized over the course of three days, this fight wasn't making either side look very good and they wanted to find a way out of it. i also think that we showed that picture of susan collins and joe manchin sort of toasting in that "new york times" article. they're toasting a three-week resolution, a three-week continuing resolution to get to the next resolution on february 8th. i'm not sure how much back padding there should be going on right now. i'm glad the government is open for people's sake who need the government to be open. but let's fought get too excited about it. no, i think this deal was predicated on trust which is why progressives are so upset about it. what you heard mitch mcconnell say right there is it is my

intention to take up daca. once we get this government open, it's my intention. it's your intention, maybe you will, maybe you won't. even if you do, there's no guarantee you won't vote to support daca. progressives who voted against it wanted nothing less than protection for daca as a part of this deal. >> yeah. i suppose if you think that mitch mcconnell and republicans have no incentive to pursue daca beyond pressure, then this is a win for you. i don't subscribe to that point of view. this is an 80/20 proposition. daca is extremely popular. i guess you push it up on the calendar a little bit, but otherwise, democrats in this process have sacrificed something very valuable to them which was their narrative on c.h.i.p. funding. they had been successfully pursuing this idea that they were trying to preserve c.h.i.p. funding despite the fact that democrats in the house voted against it on a variety of opportunities because they were

protecting obamacare revisions. the six-year funding, they got it, but they shut down the government over it and then they had to vote and back off it. democrats lost something. >> you said they lost something, but they got c.h.i.p. funding, right? >> yes. but they sacrificed that it was the narrative that it was republicans trying to hold c.h.i.p. funding hostage c.h.i.p. funding is gone. it's off the table. we sort of skipped a step there. >> yeah. but if i'm a democrat and, of course, i'm not, but god knows i'm sounding more like one every morning, if i were a democrat and i went back to my town hall meeting and they said you backed down, i would say, i did what? i did what? i guaranteed by standing up to donald trump and making sure he was out of this process, i

guaranteed c.h.i.p. funding. i guaranteed by my fighting. you're telling me that a three-day shutdown wasn't worth guaranteeing health care for millions and millions of the truly disadvantaged children? that's a win for democrats if they know how to spin it the right way. >> that's the governing wing of the democrat party's message. and it sounds so much to me like 2013. this is the governing wing of the minority party saying, look, we got something out of this, while the activist class and the majority and the president are saying, they folded. that is going to fuel primary challenges, it's recalcitrant, it's blinkered and fanatical and it's going to radicalize the democratic party. we saw it in the republicans in 2013. >> okay. and i want to go to gene for a second. but noah, this point that i've made since 2013 that if you look at the government shutdown and you talk about how it may have radicalized the republican party, actually what happened in the middle of the government

shutdown is you had people like the u.s. chamber, the cokes, the other funders of republican interests saying, wait, wait, hold on a second. this is not what we signed up for and this is not what we're writing our checks for. and the first thing they did was they went all in with bradley burn and alabama won. what you saw in 2014 were republicans doing well, but it was -- if you could call it the more moderate ring, we're just say it was the less crazy wing of the republican party after that government shutdown that prevailed in just about every contest in 2014. so i think i would argue that it sort of moderated it and gene robinson, if democrats are smart enough to know how to fight and right now that is a question that we don't have an answer to, they will go home and say right

i shut down the government for three days and in those three days, republicans caved and now we have health care for little children who didn't have health care before our government shutdown. we win, they lose. >> exactly. the six years of c.h.i.p. funding is the one really big concrete thing democrats got out of this. and, frankly, with all respect to say that they lost a narrative while gaining the essential thing they were fighting for is kind of ridiculous. i mean, they got something they had definitely sought. and they got it for six years. so they certainly -- look, if they don't paint that as a win from the shutdown, then they're guilty of political malpractice. i think the point that, however, when you shut down the government, you ought to have a step two. i think that's a totally valid

point. i think there wasn't a step two. they're in the minority. they didn't have, really, a way to sort of leverage much more out of the shutdown. and so they had to go with the mitch mccoppnnell promise. coming up on "morning joe," she was one of five democrats to side with republicans on a friday vote that would have prevented a government shutdown. so how is that going over with her party? senator claire mccaskill stakes out her position on the issues, straight ahead. but first, bill carin wkari a check on the impact of a powerful earthquake. >> about three hours ago, we learned it was a 7.9 earthquake in the gulf of alaska. it was very scary for a time being. we weren't sure if there was a tsunami. at one point, we had watches for hawaii and the west coast. happy to say all those warnings have been dropped to advisories and all of the watches have been

completely canceled. there is no large tsunami for this earthquake. at 7.9, we're looking at a top ten potentially in recorded history for the strongest near alaska. and the reason we didn't have the big tsunami was because this is what we call a strike slip. so if you think of two plates underneath the ocean's surface, they slid by each other. they scraped each other. there was no displacement. there was no vertical list to the plates. those are the ones that create the big tsunami. there was about a three-foot rise in kodiak. in the middle of the night in kodiak, the lights were going off and they were told to evacuate. they were told to go to 100 foot elevation or higher to get out of the way. they're still telling them to stay away from the coastline and all areas there and those residents should be allowed to return safely back home a little later this morning. so it's just very early in the morning there still. as far as the weather goes today, rain is moving through the northeast. as you would expect with rain

and windy conditions, we're starting to get some airport delays. right now, 60-minute delays on average. doing okay right now at dulles, okay in philadelphia. the snowstorm from yesterday is still a little cold. roads are still snowpacked, but the winds have died down and the cleanup has begun through minnesota. minneapolis, by the way, picked up over a foot of snow. that was the first time they've had a foot of snow since 2011. just fine along the gulf coast. we'll watch a storm heading for the west coast. i think we can deal with a little rain and snow after dealing with a tsunami threat. we'll be right back.

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uncertainty of any soldier anywhere in the world that they will be paid for the pvaliant work they do on what have of our national security. i ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to immediate consideration that the amend at the desk providing for continuing appropriations for pay and death benefits for members of the armed services be considered and agreed to. >> is there objection? >> mr. chairman, reserving the right to objection, we passed similar legislation during the government shutdown back in 2013. my hope is that we can restore funding for the entire government before this becomes necessary. >> wow, senators claire mccaskill and mitch mcconnell, joe, a motion and an objection that took place just an hour and 15 minutes after the shutdown began. joining us now from capitol hill, democratic senator claire mccaskill of missouri. claire, great to have you. >> hi, guys. >> joe, take the first question.

we have to start with a comment first. i thought it interesting, claire, that you moved immediately, immediately after the government was shut down to protect the pay of our men and women defending this country at home and abroad and it was the republican leader that actually refused a vote on that. and then you had mike pence, the vice president of the united states, using the troops a day later as political props saying that it was the democrats that were stopping them from getting paid. what were you thinking? well, i'll tell you what, i'll play this sound because it shows what he was saying was so deceitful while he was using our american troops. play the sound and then claire will get your reaction. >> despite bipartisan support for a budget resolution, a minority in the senate has decided to play politics with military pay. but you deserve better. your president, your vice president, and the american

people are not going to put up with it. we're going to demand the that they reopen the government. in fact, we're not going to reopen negotiations on illegal immigration until they reopen the government and give you, our soldiers and your families the benefits and wages you've earned. >> so, senator, what's your reaction to the vice president saying that despite the fact he knew that your attempts to fund those troops were blocked by the republican majority leader? >> yeah. you know, channeling harry truman here, it makes me damn mad. there should be sacred areas that we don't pull into this food fight. and one of those is support of our military. it is something, as i said when i stood up immediately after the vote to shut down the government, everyone in this chamber wants to support our military. this is not a democratic or a republican value. it is an american value.

and the notion that we are willing to sacrifice that in this ridiculous political one upsmanship is just really, really irritating. and i hope most americans find it as disgusting as i do. >> yeah. so, claire, we're a couple of days past that. i guess the take away, everybody is trying to figure out who won, who lost, what's next. i guess the only question that really matters for a lot of americans is did this shutdown actually move us closer to a deal on daca and on border security? >> it clearly did. we are closer. we've tried for four years to get a vote on daca protections and have had no luck. we're going to get one now. and so it is moving us closer and no one wants to protect those young people more than i do. but remember, there's two things that go on in washington. one is all of the talk. and the other is actually

getting things done. and we've been really good at all the talk in washington for a while now. but we've been really bad at getting things done. and i know this has been said over and over again, but i've got to repeat it. we now have critical mass in the middle. >> yeah. >> where compromise and consensus, you know, compromise is a very all-american value. our constitution is premised on compromise. that's why we have the checks and balances in our constitution is to force people to compromise and find consensus. we did that this weekend. now the question is can that energy that was in that room, all of us in susan collins' office, can we take that and put it with health care? can we take that and use it with infrastructure? can we kind of rebuild this middle and actually get things done? that's what i think most of the people in my state want. i'm sure we want to protect the dreamers and i'm very hopeful we

will. 90 be 90% of america wants us to. i think we will certainly get something through the senate. but more importantly, have we rebuilt the muscle of the middle so that we can actually accomplish things? that's what i'm excited about. >> i'd like to know how that muscle is looking to you now, given the big picture. and i have a broad concern, given what we just played again by the vice president. you had the president with his unbelievable vulgarity during this process and racism. and you had mike pence who everyone said at least mike pence knows politics. doing what he did inner jordan, i saw an episode on saturday night live that says nothing even matters any more. nothing matters any more. when matters at this point, claire, if the leaders are speaking this way? how is that muscle that you're talking about really going to work? >> well, i think it's part of the reason that we were able to get this large group of

bipartisan senators to work together over the weekend. i think there is -- i mean, the vast majority of the people who are elected to the united states senate want to do the right thing for the american people. we may disagree on how to get it done, but there is a lot of energy and intellect in the senate that want to do the right thing. and i think the fact that we've all been waiting for the president to step up and he's had difficulty with that, he couldn't make up his mind what he was for, what he is against, that's a really bad partner to negotiate with. but now i think we -- many of us have realized that we've got to do our work and we've got to try to shut out the white noise of his tweets and everything else and do the work. and if we do the work in a way that we find the middle that most americans agree with, it won't be perfect. the left may be very upset, the right may be very upset, but if we do that, i think that's the best way that we can accomplish things and hold on to the institutions of democracy that we all should be worried about

protecting. >> senator mccaskill, it's willie geist. always good to see you. i want to ask you about some of the criticism that you and some other democrats are receiving from within your own caucus, from fellow democrats and from progressives across the country which is that you sort of sold them out on daca and the idea of putting daca into these negotiations was to get something concrete finished as part of this deal to fund the government. what do you say to people who say you let down the d.r.e.a.m.ers by proceeding like you did? >> well, i feel that passion, believe me. we have all sat with d.r.e.a.m.ers and met with d.r.e.a.m.ers and the dreame d.r.e.a.m.ers have been every on capitol hill for weeks. these young people are the essence of the american dream. they came three here through no fault of their own. and we need to do the right thing here. but elections have consequences

and we do not control the government. the republicans control the government. someone who is in the white house who was elected president that said very ugly things about many of their families. and so we've got to make sure that the we do everything we can. and i think we did. i think we now know that no later than february 8th we're going to get a chance to pass the daca protections in the senate. and then we've got to rely on the president and the american people to all pile on and make sure that the house doesn't allow hundreds of thousands, including members of our military, to be deported come march the 5th. >> so was it a mistake, then, senator, for democrats to insert daca into a conversation about government funding? >> no, i don't think it was. i think the leadership did the best it could under the circumstances with the tools we had to use. i didn't vote for a shutdown because i don't think a shutdown is the right way to resolve a crisis. but i understand what the leadership did. i respect it.

and i do think we got a result, and that is the promises that have been made. by the way, as has been said earlier on your show today, what happened here was the trust of the republicans that were part of this deal, not the trust of mitch mcconnell. so to all the progressives who say, why would you trust mitch mcconills, he promised jeff flake a vote on daca. we didn't. we trusted the 12 republicans that could make his life miserable if they chose to. >> so senator mccaskill, talking about making life miserable, you're running for re-election in a state carried fairley healthily by donald trump and you're surrounded in the senate by at least according to some conservative accounts 42 of your colleagues running for president of the united states pulling your party ever left ward. how does that impact your re-election campaign? what's the degree of difficulty for you? >> you know, i just keep my head down. you know, i try to do what's right. i speak out, as you guys know,

forcefully. i'm not afraid to fight for folks' health care. i'm not afraid to fight for fairness in terms of the process. i was not afraid to speak out forcefully about the -- some of the horrible provisions that were in that tax bill. but at the same time, i've got to focus on missouri. and i've got to make sure i am listening to missouri. and working for missouri. and what missourians want, the people who were decide that election, they want us to get stuff done. they want us to quit having political food fights and they want us to get stuff done. >> and quickly, do you think marzella is going to help the cardinals make the playoffs this year? >> absolutely. what a great get, right? what a great get. >> senator, what does the legislation look like that you can support come february 8th and what will you do if either conservatives in the house derail that legislation or the president comes back as he may well do and says, no, i can't

support this piece of legislation? where does that leave you in your position in your race for missouri? >> well, i think as somebody who is the ranking member on homeland security, i have a really good working knowledge of what we need on the border. so i hopefully will be very involved in the border security piece of this. i know we desperately need more court officers that could catch the fentanyl that is killing americans as we've had this interview another meamerican ha died of a fentanyl overdose. so we have to do the things necessary to protect our border. so i'll be very involved in that piece of this. if we can get the right border security package, i do believe the vast majority of my colleagues want to do the protections for these young people. and i have to believe the majority of the house does, too. >> could still come back and say this is either not enough border security or we can't quite go with the d.r.e.a.m.ers yet?

>> if he does that, he's going to have the wrath of the american people. it is by a very wide margin americans want us to do these basic protections for kids in medical school and teachers and people in our military, people who have never known any other country. if we actually get to the point that we're deporting someone who has never known any other country, who has been willing to serve in our military, then we have -- this is truly, i think, the lowest that we could possibly go. so i'm going to remain optimistic that the will of the american people will have an impact on this. >> senator claire mccaskill, always great to have you on the show. thanks very much. >> thanks, guys. good to see you. coming up, with the government back open pore business, president trump heads to the world economic forum in davos later this week. will he take his america first agenda with limb? "morning joe" is coming right back. [ click, keyboard clacking ]

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so, noah, this morning, we've spoke within democratic senators, republican senators, independent senators, we've spoke within a conservative house member who is a pretty powerful voice in congress. so what's your take away is

peace breaking out or are all these hopes for immigration reform going to be dashed on the rocks of reality again as they always seem to be? >> i'm an optimist, a determined optimist which means i really have to work the at it. today i have been disabused of some of that optimism, people coming up with plausible scenarios that sound very dark. the deal is easy. the distance between the two sides is minimal but it's going to be exacerbated so much by the part is ans on both sides of this issue and they're the ones who will decide the midterm elections, the base elections. they very well could we know out. it will be a disaster for everyone involved if we have a lot of daca recipients going back to the shadows. >> the trump administration slaps new tariffs on asia. that is next on "morning joe."

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president trump took his first major action on trade. he's establishing tariff restrictions on items in asia just days before meetings in davos. what does this apply to exactly? >> tariffs up to 30% on imported solar panels and up to 50% on large washing machines, the move which will apply globally is thought to be targeted on china whose commerce industry quickly expressed its strong dissatisfaction with the move and said it would, quote, resolutely defend its legitimate interests. the timing is particularly interesting given that the president travels to davos this weekend, a gathering that traditionally is very much in favor of free trade. and clearly an issue that no doubt will arise when he makes his key note prets presentation

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donald trump who railed against global elites, what kind of recession do you think he'll receive, not just because of his on rhetoric, but because of tpp, the threat to get out of nafta, what he's done with trade tariffs? >> was this the end of nationalism and populism. we understand he's going to go. he's going to give a fairley tough america first speech to the global elites. he's in charge. the rules have changed. he's the new boss. and this is all going to be about helping america and american businesses and you've got to wonder whether this announcement of these tariffs, which don't just hit china, they hit south korea, too, which is problematic, whether this announcement has come just on the eve of his trip to davos. you might think i'm a global elite, but i'm going to show you i'm a protectionist.

>> he's going to be with global elites, yet if you read "the washington post" this morning, one of the great concerns for many of those gathered there, the fact that in many income disparity, income inequality continues to explode. they're starting to say what alan greenspan said years ago, that one of the gravest threats to western with capitalism is income inequality. you look at what his programs are, whether you're talking about taxes or many of the other programs, they seem to actually increase income inequality. so i don't know that he's going to have a receptive audience there on many different scores, even on his version of what western capitalism should be in the future. >> he's certainly exacerbating the problems there on those issues. but he will have the podium and he likes the attention. up next, democrats win the latest fight over gerrymandering in a key swing state.

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has thrown out the state's congressional map ruling that it plainly, palpably violates the state constitution. democrats filed a lawsuit claiming the republicans unreasonably changed the districts in order to benefit their party. the republican-controlled legislature created the map in 2011 following the 2010 u.s. census. it now has until february 9th to create a new map. the court order to redraw the map will not impact an upcoming special election in pennsylvania's 18th congressional district. a new research poll has republican rick saccone leading democrat conol lamb by a 3%.

a new poll has democrats leading by 12 points among registered voters. a cnn poll has democrats leading by 5 points. though a drop off of 7 points since last month. and the latest, nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows voters prefer democrats by 6 points, though narrowing an 11-point gape from december. joining us now, former congressman zach wamp who represented the state of tennessee in 2011. great to have you on board. >> good morning. >> joe first and then take it away to zach. what do you make ofs those polls? >> well, i mean, there are two ways to look at it. first of all, it's a very long way off. secondly, though, it's still good news for democrats, bad news for republicans, but third, there has been a tightening over the past several weeks. republicans have picked up some ground. you were seeing 12, 13, even 15-point differences between republicans and democrats. and i suspect that some of the

benefits of the tax cuts are start to go be -- be communicated more effectively with people, with republicans and independents. so you're seeing a real swing, especially among independents. i want to go to zach, though, and zach, always great talking to you. >> you, too. >> i wanted to ask you first of all what you thought about the last 24 to 48 hours. we went through government shutdowns and at the end of our government shutdown, eventually we moved towards balancing the budget for us four years in a row. do you see some positive things coming out of this government shutdown? >> not really. i've watched the show this morning and i've seen both sides articulately defend their positions here. but, you know, from 30,000 feet or the middle of america now, this just looks like the two-party blame game continuing. when we shut down the government, we went on "nightline" with ted coppel and we defended why we were shutting down the government.

we wanted the country's attention about this. we didn't blame the other team. this blame game is institutionalized. it's more than ten years that the mind set is two-year political cycles. the have frankly hijacked the leadership of our country. they're motivated by fund-raising. they're motivated by winning elections. everything is seen through a partisan lens. where we believe things may be headed. we saw in '16 the insurgencies came from outside to inside the party. that doesn't mean in 2020 and beyond the insurgencies don't come from outside the two-party system. joe, you said two weeks ago in the next ten years or so you may see a viable independent candidate for president. i think independence for congress may actually hold the two parties accountable. i'd love to see next generation americans run, win and serve outside of this two-party blame game. because we've got to hold them accountable. so what. i talked to a democratic donor

in new york yesterday. he said we want democrats to win the next election. i said, guess what, things aren't going to change. we've seen this movie now for ten years, back and forth. and the blame continues. the american people want problems solved. they want the government fixed. they want it to run on time. millennials are checking out. and they're a big voting bloc going forward. 71% have no affiliation with either political party. we got to raise standards instead of continuing to lower standards. >> you know, willie, one thing we need to circle back to, republicans and democrats going back and forth. it's something i've talked about nonstop. political gerrymandering. the very gerrymandering we were talking about in that story that was done by republicans in 2010. you're going to see in 2018, democrats most likely make out big gains. the conversation on gerrymandering over the next decade from 2020 to 2030 are going to be drawn by governors

and legislators that were elected in 2018. it's going to be a far different conversation. >> we'll see if pennsylvania serves as some kind of precedent where they say if we can do it in pennsylvania what about redrawing maps. i think you'd agree, are another reason why we've been driven to our corners. you've spoken just in the last couple days about the clinto clinton/ginch rich years as sort of the good old days. there seems to be nostalgia for a previous time where people got together and had a beer and talked through their problems. gingrich would pick up the phone and call clinton. was it really that way back then or we are looking back with rose colored glasses? >> i said this in a speech and everybody laughed so i used it over and over again. who would have thunk the clinton/gingrich years were the good old days? the last big bipartisan thing that happened in this country was the balanced budget act of 1997. that is now 20 years ago.

twice something big has passed on straight party line votes. that is a warning sign, guys, if no one from the other party joins you, something's wrong, something's going to be overturned. again, this thing just swings back and forth. it's all politically driven. policy is being written by political motives instead of good government. what's best for three generations from now in america. not the next election. it's catching up with us. gerrymandering is one of the problems. there are many issues to address them all. we have a big meeting in philadelphia with the national constitution center, trying to focus on the principles that this republic is founded upon. what it takes with compromise setting in after extreme debate so that this government can function again. >> former congressman zach womp, thank you. if you could get me the tape of you and joe on "nightline," i'd like to get a look at that. get back to me.

>> no, we don't want that. >> oh, we're getting it. the white house chief of staff is now acknowledging that mexico's government will not be paying for the trump border wall. former president vicente fox has been saying that from the start. he joins us on set. >> wait, mika, wait, wait, what, mexico's not paying for the wall? >> no. no. nope. >> i'm shocked. >> nope, they're not paying. it's not happening. >> we'll be back in two minutes, my friends. with more shocking news. >> we are going to build a wall, don't worry about it. [ cheers and applause ] and, wait a minute, and who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> what his going to pay for the wall? >> mexico! >> one way or another, it's possible that we could get the revenue from mexico but not directly from their government.

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harder. not easier to achieve. >> all right. time for final thoughts this morning. where do things stand right now? >> i'm actually more optimistic. i think mitch mcconnell will keep his word or he'll pay for it in the end. i think republicans will be on the right side or they'll pay for it in the fall. what not to do, you don't go into a shutdown war unless you have an exit strategy. finally, i do see more senators asking like united states senator instead of lemings that blindly follow around leaders in the white house in both parties. what's your takeaway? >> you can easily see the outlines of a deal. from all of the people we've spoken to during the course of the morning. fairly substantial on border security. in return, they get some kind of legal protection for the dreamers. the wild card in all of this is going to be the president who's mercurial on the issue of immigration. and whether he's going to go

along with it. >> the conventional wisdom going into the shutdown was republicans were going to get the blame no matter what. it was wrong. the conventional wisdom now is the shutdown won't matter in 2018. if it does, the ad will be democrats in these states that were red in 2016 voted to shut down the government for illegal immigrants. >> we've heard a lot of the optimism from the senators. sunshine emanating from susan collins' office. i'll go with it for now. check back with me by noon today. >> exactly, see what this tweet -- >> i was talking to a pretty wise fellow who has been around a long time in your former business, congressional politics. he said if the democrats want to win this thing, eventually, there's an easy way to do it. he said there's something out of the book of tip o'neill. he talks about endlessly. apparently the republicans don't care about deficits given their behavior over last ten year, given his wall. give it to him.

here you go. $18 billion, here's your wall, now what. >> good lord. >> mika. >> think all eyes are on mitch mcconnell and i think he can do it so i'm hopeful. still don't know what will happen between now and then from the white house. but that's a whole different story. >> hey, listen, listen, this, just breaking news just came across. "the shape of water" actually leads oscar nominations with 13. followed behind by "dunkirk." a great movie. i saw one, i need to see the other. >> i saw three. >> you saw three what? >> movies. >> movies in your lifetime? >> we'll talk about it tomorrow. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika, thanks, joe. i'm going to take that optimistic baton and run with it. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. starting with a temporary truce. congress votes to reopen the government as president trump takes a victory lap and democrats are divided over whether ty