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investigation stands with senator angus king. plus the white house immigration deal draws praise from republicans but written off as a ransom note by democrats. and later another congressman won't seek reelection amid claims of sexual misconduct. congresswoman mueller's frank he will is planning a statement of her own with new rules coming to capitol hill. but first, president trump is fresh off his trip to davos and he's just over 48 hours away from his first state of the union address. but right now that's all being overshadowed. it started with reports that the president tried to fire special counsel robert mueller last june, but was stopped by white house counsel don mcgahn. the president's response after "the new york times" first broke that story was predictable. >> fake news, folks, fake news. typical new york times fake story. >> and here's white house director of legislative affairs mark schwartz making the point

robert mueller is still very much employed. >> i'm not aware of the president ever intimating that he wanted to fire robert mueller. let's keep in mind a skup l things. robert mueller is still the special counsel. don mcgahn is still head of white house counsel office. taxpayers have spent millions and millions of dollars on a investigation that's not proven any collusion thus far with russia. >> it all comes as some lawmakers urge republican leadership to take up legislation protecting mueller from being fired, but there does seem to be some disagreement within the gop about whether that's really necessary. >> i've got legislation protecting mr. mueller, and i'll be glad to pass it tomorrow. >> it would certainly wouldn't hurt to put that extra safeguard in place, give enthe latest stories. >> i don't think there is a need for legislation right now to protect mueller. >> if there is an issue that arises, we'll take it up at that time, but right now there is not an issue so why create one when there isn't a place for it? >> joining me now former fbi special agent and msnbc

contributor clint watts. and national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan. thank you both for being here with me tonight. really appreciate it. clint, i want to start with you. as we are reading the tea leaves of where this investigation stands with bob mueller, what is your view about the direction where this is going? there's been a lot of speculation that he is fundamentally building an obstruction of justice case. is that how you see it, or is there still a collusion in play in a major way? >> [ inaudible ]. >> sorry, i don't think we can hear clint there. we're going to try to get him up and working. so, i will talk here a little bit. jonathan swan, the president called that new york times report fake news. what do you know about what unfolded in june between the president, his white house counsel, and what the president had to say about bob mueller? >> a source with direct knowledge tells me the report is true, the president was putting pressure on don mcgahn to fire

robert mueller. what the source told me was that it perhaps wasn't quite so dramatic with the threat to resign. >> he didn't storm into the oval office? >> nothing like that. "the new york times" never said there was. my understanding is don mcgahn said to the chief of staff at the time, reince priebus, and also the chief strategist steve bannon, that this can't go on and, you know, he wouldn't stay. he wouldn't stand for it if it kept happening. so, that was the threat to resign. >> what is your reporting say about why we're learning about this now, months after it actually occurred? >> i have my theories. i don't want to speculate on live tv because i don't know for a fact why it's coming out now. >> i think we may have clint watts back. clint, are you with us now? >> i am. you got me? >> good to see you. yes. and i think you had started to answer my earlier question, which is from what you can tell where this investigation is going. >> yeah, i think once you hear rumors that you might be fired

at any moment, if you've got several different lines of investigation, you immediately push to obstruct because you want to build as much of the case as you can, get it documented, get the subpoenas in place, get the materials in place, get the interviews done. that way if you're fired at any moment, the evidence is already there. it's almost an insurance policy in which every day you are essentially building that case on the obstruction case if a firing does come down, you're good. at the same point, the collusion has been there and we've seen a couple movements of that. the papadopoulos indictment. we've seen manafort movement. we've seen flynn moment. we've been working in both veins. i wouldn't be surprised from the outset if they said, look, let's push the obstruction case as far as we can as quick as we can. we don't know how much time we have to get this done. >> what is your view of how much pressure mr. rosenstein is under right now as it regards bob mueller? i mean, he is somebody who has something of an interesting track record of the department of justice, somebody who knew and interacted with jim comey

and seems to be -- joe manchin was on "meet the press" this morning with my colleague chuck todd and essentially said, let's see what happens with that before we make any judgments about what to do about mueller. >> yeah. i mean, if i were rosenstein, i'd be the most frustrated person in washington, d.c. he kind of got set up as the fall guy for firing director comey. he was the one putting together the memos for justifications together. he then is the one who appoints the special counsel. he makes the best choice possible of any fbi director mueller is your best choice. now he's being twisted and turned to threaten to fire. the washington post story said the democrat from baltimore, he was appointed under bush. and so i think it's got to be very frustrating to feel this constant influence, this undue influence being pushed on the justice department when he seems to be really trying to do the right thing and follow through on the investigation and the special counsel he appointed. >> i want to turn now to one of the lawmakers who is at the center of this investigation to

broaden out this conversation. joining me now, member of the intelligence committee, senator angus king. thank you for being here tonight. i want to start with the overarching question that has been the conversation since that new york times report broke late last week and the signs the president has been interested in firing robert mueller. i'm interested in your view, first of all, of what the congress needs to do in that instance. but do you also feel as though your republican colleagues are still veeg that as a red line if the president were to take such an action or try? >> well, that was the position that i took months ago and i said -- i basically said it's unthinkable that the president would do that. and i think i remember saying on the air if he did, there would be a universal uprising in the congress to reestablish the position. i'm not so sure any more. there's been so much sniping and oladipo r

deliberate undermining of the mueller the past couple of months i think i'm starting to fall into that camp because if we don't do something before, trying to do something afterwards if there is a firing, and then we try to reestablish the office, i think that would be quite difficult. and maybe it is appropriate now. and this is a change of position for me, but based upon events of the last several months, and particularly of this last week, i don't know all the facts. you know, all we have is that one story to go on. but clearly -- but, you know, the contrary fact is the president keeps saying, i'm not going to fire him. his counsel says he's not going to fire him. i think it would be a huge mistake if he did. if he did and thought he was putting this thing to bed, it would be just the opposite because if mueller finishes his investigation and there's nothing there, he's exonerated, it's over, he can move on. if he fires mueller and it's still perking around, this thing is going to haunt him for the rest of his presidency. so, if i were him, if he's innocent as he keeps saying he is, let the investigation go forward and get it over with.

>> sir, i'm curious. senator schumer has floated the idea of potentially including a bill that would prevent mueller's firing in the overall budget, a deal the congress is now negotiating. is that in your idea a good view from the leader? >> i think it is something that ought to be discussed. as you know, it's very hard to get any bill by itself through the congress these days. it's like watching ships go by. you want to be sure you get your bill or you get your person on that ship that goes by, or you may not be able to get it before the congress at all. so, i think this is something that's worth some serious discussion over the next few days. as i say, the problem is if we wait and there is a firing, then what we would be able to do to reconstitute the office and restart the investigation i think would be very difficult. so, maybe this is a case where there ought to be some legislation along the lines of what lindsey graham suggested. >> one thing, senator, that has

come from republicans on the house side is this memo that has now been shown to house members, but that is currently being kept, to our knowledge, from the senate intelligence committee. i want to show you a little bit of what some republicans have had to say about this memo then ask you about it. take a look. >> do you want the president to declassify this memo? >> having read this memo i think it would be appropriate that the public has full view of it. >> this memo answers what i think are really legitimate questions, and i do think the fbi should look at it before, before it is released. it is not a hit piece on the department and the fbi. i would not have participated in it if that's what it was. >> there are plenty of ways you can redact a document to make sure methods are not revealed. if there are serious concerns about unmasking that happened in the previous administration, i think the american people should know that. >> so, two questions for you, senator. one, do you want to see this memo? why hasn't the house intelligence committee shown it to you? and two, should the public see it? >> well, the first question i'll answer. i don't really understand circulating a memo to members of

the house who aren't on the intelligence committee and not sharing it with the members of the senate intelligence committee who are cleared to see national security information, particularly my understanding it's been requested by the republican chair, richard burr, and he's been denied access. that doesn't make sense to me. number two, i don't know what's in it. but certainly it ought to go to the justice department. when we went through the process on the torture memo four or five years ago, we went through -- it was a six-month process with the administration and the intelligence agencies to redact it and make sure we weren't exposing sources and methods and compromising national security. so, that's an obvious first step. it strikes me as odd and i don't want to say suspicious, but odd that this memo is apparently being shopped around to certain congressmen. nobody in the senate has seen it. nobody in the intelligence community has seen it. it was produced, it's not like it was an internal fbi memo.

it was produced, as i understand it, by republican staff members on the house intelligence committee under the direction of chairman nunes who supposedly six months ago recused himself from this discussion. so, there are a lot of questions surrounding it, but at a minimum i think members of my committee and the senate ought to see it, both parties, and the intelligence committee ought to see it to be sure there isn't something in there that wouldn't compromise national security and we go from there. this looks to me, frankly, chairman nunes has sort of thrown sand into the gears of this investigation two or three times, and this strikes me as another. you've got clint watt there. be sure and ask him about the russians and release the memo. the leading troll hashtag from the russian troll farm this week is release the memo, which tells you a couple of things. the russians are still involved in our politics and trying to influence our policy. and, you know, maybe we ought to ask some questions about this whole thing. >> sure, i will make sure to do

that once we are off the air. before i let you go, ron johnson raised the possibility that there were secret societies operating within the fbi. i was wondering your reaction to that statement from a colleague. >> well, i heard him on the radio the other day and he sort of walked back from that. and i think he's backed away. you know, i don't know what to say. the attack on the fbi from various quarters is really disheartening. this is an important institution, and kasie, i think we've got to step back and understand and realize how much our whole system depends upon trust, and trust in institutions, institutions like the fbi, like the justice department, like the free press. and as we undermine public trust in those institutions, it really gets at the sort of foundation of what we do. we're a country under the law, but we're also a country under

ideas and mutual respect and those kinds of things. so, this idea there is some kind of secret society in the fbi to me it doesn't make much sense. the fbi people i've known over the years are absolutely straight shooters. they're patriots. that's why they're in the business. and by the way, there are 35,000 people in the fbi. finding one or two who express some off the wall political opinions, i suppose you could find that in any group of 35,000 people. but by and large, this is a dedicated professional group. and trying to undermine that i don't think serves the country or certainly doesn't serve our national security interests. >> senator angus king, thank you so much for your time tonight. i will see you on capitol hill as this very busy week unfolds. >> absolutely. see you around. >> and, clint watts, i'm going to go to you because the senator suggested and i think it is a great question. what do we know right now about the hashtag release the memos, and how that's playing out on social media? >> right. release the memo is powered by the republicans and the gop.

they are the ones that promote it. but any time we see this, where we have politicians attacking a u.s. institution falsely, you're going to see russian adversary step in because the best way to do active measures is to do what americans are doing to each other. so, you've got one party that's, you know, tearing down a u.s. institution, the fbi, and so all you're doing is stepping in, taking that content and reamplifying it into the environment. the other thing we have to remember and why we see a lot of it surging in terms of russian influence networks, is julian assange weighed in on it last week. he stepped in and said that memo should be released. he started talking about that hashtag as well. as we know mr. assange is a proxy of the russian government. we've even heard cia director pompeo talk about the relationship between russia and wikileaks. when this happens it creates a storm where the russians don't have to create it, they ride the wave. they've done a great job of

amplifying that across english language audience in the europe and the united states. >> clint watts, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> jonathan swan is not going anywhere. we haven't gotten to his big scoop of perjury. we will. in the meantime, just ahead, remember the government shutdown? it feels like so long ago now. just ahead, a white house deal for daca gets a cold reception from top democrats. is history going to repeat itself in two weeks? plus, we'll talk with congressman ro khanna. as we go to break, you heard senator king talk about dismissing secret societies in the fbi. a quest to find secret societies in america. right now. >> the term secret society comes from strzok and page. >> that was lisa page's text message. >> tonight we are here to commemorate our glorious society 1500 year anniversary. >> it's been a skull tradition since the late 1700s. >> it was 1832.

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this time last week we were here on capitol hill waiting for the adults to figure out a way to reopen the government. tonight it is back open, and the white house has put forth an immigration plan, but there are already signs of trouble ahead. politico play book speculates there may not be a daca deal until summer, and believe it or

not, it was stephen miller who had to sell the plan on a conference call that jonathan swan describes as feisty with immigration hard liners. want to bet that's an understatement. democratic leadership isn't much happier. caucus chairman joe crowley put it succinctly. thissant isn't an immigration proposal, it's a ransom note. chuck schumer said what he was going to put on the bargaining table is off the table. marco rubio part of the gang of 8 a lifetime ago, has drawn criticism from an old friend over his unwillingness to get involved in hashing out a deal. >> right now the disagreement is if people think the starting point is citizenship right up front, they know that that has to come with chain migration. and hence if that's your starting point you'll never get off the launch pad. >> god forbid you actually took on something that's controversial and paid a political price. that's the altitude in d.c. right now, it's not senator

rubio's no different than anybody else in that regard. to have some senators break out of that and show that there can be political rewards by doing what's right would be really helpful for our democracy. so, marco is a talented guy. he understands this issue really well. and maybe behind the scenes he's working hard. at some point his leadership would be really helpful. >> still with me is axios's jonathan swan and joining us is former chairman of the american conservative union al cardenas. congressional correspondent for the washington post paul kaine. thank you both for coming in tonight. mr. cardenas, how do you view the white house's proposal? what have they done, what have they not done, and what do you say to some democrats who are essentially saying this is making wholesale changes to the legal immigration system and it may not be worth trading the citizenship of just 800,000 or

1.8 million, depending how you count them, daca recipients? >> the white house, president bra rack is a great negotiator. i haven't seen any evidence of it. after two decades of this process of immigration reform, we've gone from figuring out whether these 13, 14 million undocumented people should have a path to citizenship or not, to now narrowing it down to 1.8 million people and that's an incredible giveaway. the other two, three things that people don't talk about, real quickly, is everybody said, hey, don't bump everybody who is in line. you shouldn't get in front of the line. the line was 4 million people. if you pass a reform as the white house suggested, 3.4 million of those 4 million will not qualify. there are also people in line for years and years and years. >> people who have played by the rules. >> the t.p.s. people. that's 300,000 people who have been here illegally, some for more than 20 years being sent home. are you going to trade all those

people for 1.8 million? that's the question that democrats and many republicans who think like i do have to ask themselves. >> do you agree with jeb bush? are you disappointed with your party? i was surprised to hear senator rubio use chain migration. >> senator rubio lives in florida like i do. our lives have been touched forever by these people. we know these are hard working honest people. marco had a lot of courage some years back, in 2013 with a gang of 8. i could see him maybe wanting to do other things, but, gee, not co-sponsor the billy thought was disappointing. >> paul kaine, how does this play out, what happens next? >> what happens next is congress comes back tomorrow. there is a briefing that john kelly, white house chief of staff and homeland security secretary knenielsen are doing the number 2s. deputies kevin mccarthy, john cornyn, durbin and hoyer

tomorrow. and tuesday becomes state of the union and the republicans leave town early wednesday for their annual issues retreat, all the way down in west virginia. so, we come back next monday, we have a couple days to finish this. >> is your agreement -- is your assessment, does it lineup with what the political play book is speculating, we're going to be doing this in the summer? >> i think it at least is going to have to go all the way through the month of february into early march to try to get -- there's just too many different issues here, too many different things to tie up and they have too many other little things. there's a democratic retreat the week after next. so, there are really only a couple of days to try and knock this up -- >> knock out an issue that has tied up the government and our congress for years and years? >> yes. >> little success. i want to talk about the politics of this quickly because the hosts of pod save america who took an active role leading up to the shutdown essentially whipping democratic votes, they have little solace for red state democrats who tried to reopen the government without a daca fix in hand.

>> i have to say like if you're claire mccaskill or joe donley or heidi high camp or any of these people who are up in 2018, do you think that your vote to keep the government open is going to cause donald trump and his campaign and the republicans and your senate colleagues, that in 2018 they're going to say we have all these ms13 ads and run them against all the people -- you know what? claire mccaskill and joe donley, they voted the right way. we're going to skip their states. they're not getting the ms13 ad. we're going to play it straight. >> draw the ms13 wall around missouri. we must protect it from our horrible ads. >> jonathan swan, your take on the ad? >> they're reflective of the change in the democratic party. you have the ted cruz unification. all the candidates who are going to run for president in 2020 demanding we're not going to fund any -- support the government funding bill unless it has daca in it.

you have these guys, pod save america guys who some of the listeners may not have heard of. they've become a phenomenon, incredibly influential, directed by them in some respects. they've become the talk radio of the left. >> they are a trio of former obama administration staffers. paul kane? >> let's not forget, they made their bones working for barack obama, his presidential campaign. claire mccaskill was one of the first, if not the first female senator to buck hillary clinton in that 2007-2008 primary. >> she was never forgiven by the clinton camp. >> and endorsed obama. >> on the republican side, unless a number of members get the clear message that the president would sign the bill that they're talking about, they're not going to vote. to them it's a detriment, not an asset to vote for this reform. and if they think they're going to vote for it and the president vee toes it, they're not playing. >> paul kane, do you think chuck schumer, how badly did he miss calculate?

did he leave these members, did he hang them out to dry? >> he miss calculate ed in this. the american people want their government to stay open. the american people overwhelmingly support dreamers and want them to stay, but they also want their government to just stay open and function. it just doesn't work, shutting down the government as a hostage to try and get your issue fixed. it doesn't work. the american people never embraced that strategy. we've gone through it three times now and the party that is seen as shutting down the government, first two times republicans, now democrats, it doesn't benefit them. >> doesn't workout in the end. paul kane, al cardenas, thank you very much. after the break, president trump takes his america first metsass to davos. kasie d.c. is back after this it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts.

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united states, they're coming back to america. and i thought of it much more in those terms. >> america is open for business. that was the message that president trump pushed at the world economic forum in davos. his performance there getting some relatively positive reviews. so, what did it do or perhaps not do to change the perception of the president and america on the global stage? joining me now is former assistant to the secretary of defense and nbc national security analyst evelyn farkas. evelyn, thank you for coming tonight. >> thanks, katie. >> -- kasie. >> what do you know about how it unfolded behind the scenes and how he was received in davos? >> i think it was mixed. on the one hand, they let him in. this is not a club that was very welcoming of a man like donald trump. they, frankly speaking, are operating as business people, political and business leaders at a higher level than he's ever operated. so, i think it was new and different for them to have a guy like donald trump in their midst. some people, what you read from the reporting and what you heard otherwise, they were not happy

to have him there. and certainly when he talked about fake news in one of the interviews, he was asked the question by a reporter, he got some boos from the audience. but otherwise actually i think people were pretty reassured. i mean, he said america is open for business. he said even though it's america first, it's not america alone. frankly speaking, i think that probably to the people who understand what davos is all about, it rings a little bit hollow because, i mean -- >> yeah. >> they have a theme every year, right? so this year's theme was coming together in a fractured world. and there you have donald trump, who really isn't a guy who comes together in any kind of world. the other point i'd like to make is that the co-chairs of davos, seven women, the prime minister of sweden or norway, one of the two, the ceo of ibm, a whole host of very impressive women, christine lagarde, the head of the imf. this was also interesting behind the scenes sort of color there.

>> jonathan swan, what is your assessment? we were talking a bit at the break this is in many ways a different president trump than we've seen here. >> again, it's the scripted trump and it's the trump that his advisors want -- a would like to see every day. >> every morning they say their prayers, please, mr. trump. they were saying beforehand he's going to say it's america first, not america alone. they should have said i hope. that's what they meant. they never know what he's going to say from day to day. but just substantively, he has changed actually since becoming president in the sense of some of these big policy decisions, afghanistan, he really wanted to just pull out of there and his advisors managed to make him do something completely against his instincts. the way things are trending i'm not so sure he's going to blow up nafta. if you asked me three months ago i thought we were on a track to detonate nafta. >> which is significant for a president who campaigned on this. you both are staying with

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senate minority leader chuck schumer was roundly criticized this week for accepting a deal to reopen the government from the left, that is, he was criticized. the hits came mainly from the left with progressives saying he and other democrats caved on the issue of dreamers. so, what's the path forward now? and have democrats lost their bargaining power?

i'm joined by congressman ro khann of california who has been critical of democratic leadership. thank you so much for being here tonight. appreciate it. >> appreciate you having me. >> you have had some tough words for your leaders. you have said that they're out of touch with where the grassroots of the party actually is. what should chuck schumer have done differently? >> there are two things. one, he should have insisted that paul ryan have a vote on the dreamers. there are 34 republicans who want to vote. the majority of democrats who want to vote. 84% of americans want a vote. we should be calling this the ryan shutdown. he should be having a vote in the house of representatives. he's not doing that. secondly, we want him to make the moral case. i mean, this is about hurting kids, tearing apart families, sending people to foreign country who came here when they were one or two, and i think if people made that case, most of the american people are with us. >> i'm certainly not disputing your right that the cause of the daca kids is something that is broadly supported throughout the

country. but it became pretty quickly clear democrats were taking a lot of the blame for the shutdown, and quite frankly, if democrats want to retake the majority in the senate and actually have a chance of doing more along these lines, you need people like claire mccaskill, like joe donley in indiana. do you have any sympathy for chuck schumer in making the decision to try and help those members? does the democratic party need to be completedly pure, is that your view? >> not at all. i of course have sympathy. here's what i think. they were saying illegal immigrants, we were making process arguments. we need to talk about people like jose garcia at the kuwait airport. cindy, his wife is crying, his 12-year-old is crying. and isis telling him go to mexico, you can't see your own son for ten years. i don't know a single american republican or democrat who believes that's right or that's the american way. we didn't make the moral case, and i think if we had made the moral case, people like claire mccaskill would have won. and if we had pointsed out it is

paul ryan who isn't allowing a vote when even republicans want to vote on the dreamers, the key here is this isn't a partisan issue. i would not say chuck schumer needs to have my view on medicare for all or my view on debt free college. this is an issue that the vast majority of people believe goes to the core of who we are as americans. >> you mentioned medicare for all and debt free college. i covered bernie sanders presidential campaign. those are phrases that touch that for me. and he -- there was a story in politico this week about a potential 2020 bid from bernie sanders. do you want do see bernie run for president again? >> i do. and i want to see others run as well. there are two things i'd say. one, we should not get behind any one person. we should have a diverse field, let 15, 20 people run. >> do democrats need new leaders? do they need leaders who reflect a party that is getting younger and is frankly more diverse? >> i think we need new voices as well. i think -- and there are a number of people. tim ryan and seth. there will be a number of people who will run and i think that's

fantastic and we ought to run on on everyone offering an economic vision, a future for america, say who wins. people who don't dismiss bernie sanders, he got the second most votes. he's got the highest approval rating. why wouldn't he run? and why not have an extraordinary primary where you have 20, 30 good candidates sharing their vision? it worked out for the republicans. they had a lot of candidates and they won the presidency. >> do you think nancy pelosi should remain as your party's leader in the house of the representatives? >> i support nancy and i'll tell you why i support her. she's been on the right side of history on the big question. she was opposed to the war in iraq. she questioned the patriot act. she made huge progress with universal health care. she is extraordinarily smart as a tactician and she's been on the right side of the major issues of her time. >> i'm interested to hear you praise her and also praise seth molton and tim ryan. i feel like you need to pick one team or the other. >> i'm a progressive. i am not, you know, molton and ryan don't share all my politics. but i do think i shouldn't just say only progressives can run

for president. i think let different people run and let the american people decide. >> let me ask you, you represent silicon valley. so, it's the politics of the shifting -- america's shifting view towards big tech is something that's very interesting to me. what is your political advice to mark zuckerberg, to the heads of these big companies as they start to face -- >> right. >> do they need to be more alarmed than they are about trends here in washington for them? >> i'd say two things. one, tech is still very popular. it's 60% approval at facebook, 82% at google and apple. but they do have two concerns. first, they need to be transparent. i think there was not sufficient transparency and accessibility. people at facebook, mark, cheryl should come to congress, come on your show, they should take the tough questions. >> hey, facebook, google, apple. we've been asking for you. >> transparency always wins. and the second thing is they've got to realize what is life like

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our human experience, but it was one of the first weather vanes. it was a freedom summit in iowa featuring two past winners of the caucus, rick santorum and mike huckabee. also featured jeb bush, sarah palin and that day's breakout speaker, the beginning of the scott walker bubble. and there was also one other person there, too. you say you are considering running for president again. what is your favorite county in iowa? >> well, my favorite county in iowa, and i'm not going to get into this because this is not a history class, but one of my favorite places is iowa itself. and iowa is great because the people are great. the people are workers. they are wonderful people. and they like me and i like them. >> reporter: there are 99 counties in iowa, you can't give one? >> i can name many more than one. >> reporter: such as -- >> i'm not doing, who is the president of a certain country. we don't do that. >> so that was nearly five

months before donald trump entered the race and people were rolling their eyes at the mere mention of him potentially running for president. that day he also gave what we would probably now consider a classic 2016 trump stump speech on everything from the border wall to china to tell prompters to laguardia airport. >> the world is collapsing around us. benghazi, benghazi, everything is benghazi. what happens? nothing. e-mails, irs, the e-mails, thousands of them, they were lost. we have to build a fence. and it's got to be a beauty. who can build better than trump? i build. it's what i do. we don't have the best coming in, we have people that are criminals, we have people that are crooks. i think any president candidate that runs should not be allowed to use a teleprompter. you know, it would be so nice, just bah bah bah bah bah, bing,

bing, bing, everybody falls asleep and you get off stage. that's tend of that. the potential is enormous. and i'm seriously thinking of running for president. because i can do a good job. >> so what does all this have to do with this moment? here is president trump three years later aboard air force one, a 747 designed just to carry him. still fighting for respect. >> the fact is, you people won't say this, but i'll say it. i was a much better candidate than her. you always say she was a bad candidate. you never say i was a good candidate. i was one of the greatest candidates. nobody else would have beaten the clinton machine, as crooked as it was. >> so i just want to talk about this for a half second. i asked him that question because jonathan swat, there are 99 counties in iowa. people who campaigned in iowa, i would have guessed he would have said polk county that holds des

moines. >> his favorite book he says is the bible. and john harman says, what is your favorite verse? and he says, i wouldn't want to choose fine verses. and harman says, are you an old or new testament guy. and he pauses and says, 50/50. it was wonderful, by the way. i don't know if you can hear me squealing, but i was laughing. >> and i remember, we went to -- and ben mayor who was running this show behind the scenes now traveled with me. and i remember thinking to myself afterward that i should have just paid more attention. i was going to cover all the other candidates and the person that was there, i talked to him multiple times in 2015, was now president trump. and i just feel like that's an important lesson for on the ground reporting. i kind of wonder if that is going on now on the democratic side. >> i would imagine now the doors are open to considering all kinds of candidates and taking

them seriously. but i mean, you listen to him speak. it's like those weird poems they make up with his stocatto phraseology and the bing, bing, bing. that's where we heard him talking about people coming over the border, they're not very nice, i don't know if this is the one where he continued and he made the comment about the rapists. >> he didn't use that. but he used criminals in a speech later in june. he did use that phrasing. jonathan swan, before we go on to the next hour, you have new reporting out tonight about the president's team being worried they are being set up for a perjury trap in the mueller investigation. >> it's hard and these are conversations i've had over the last few days since the president made that very strange, he never walks down the corridor of the west wing, but he did early last week. >> that famous shot, yeah. >> he walked into chief kelly's office. and maggie haggerman goated him into saying, he can't wait, he's

looking forward to talking to bob mueller under oath. >> bless maggie. >> full of anxiety among people close to him, it was impossible to overstate. i was talking to one source who spent a lot of time with the president, and they said they think he's incapable of not perjury himself. it has escaped nobody's attention, timothy o'brien from bloomberg, he wrote an article about the deposition. >> he's been deposed before. >> he was caught lying more than 30 times. >> in a single deposition. >> correct. and what the same source said to me was, he doesn't accept reality as it is. he creates reality and believes his reality and asks his staff to believe his own reality. so it's sort of just the way he talks creatively. that's why lawyers, john dowd,

he said he's the one who makes the decision. >> it is donald trump's world and we are all just living in it. >> but that's shocking. we really -- we just take that sort of at face value. we have a president who is living in another reality that has nothing to do with law, nothing to do with our constitution. >> that's where we are going to find out from bob mueller potentially because he's building an obstruction case. you'll have to hold it for a second. because when we continue, we'll ask the former rnc chair michael steele how to grade the rnc's handling claims against steve wynn. poor or very poor? plus, former spokesman for mike pence mark lauder is going to job by. and our team of producers watches the sunday shows so you don't have to. don't go anywhere, we're back after this. contemporary cockpit, 360 degree network of driver-assist technologies

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the state of our union is stormy. that's a reference to the tenure in town, not to the important st porn star by the same name. >> the president said he wanted to fire mueller last summer. >> the attempted firing has prompted many questions. >> to say the president was at least trying to obstruct justice. >> people from new york have a different way of talking and speaking. again, that's new york talk. >> if you tried to, it would be the end of his presidency. >> i think the president would be best served by never discussing the investigation. ever. >> i told my republican colleagues, leaving him the hell

alone. >> do you have confidence in mu mueller? >> yes. >> 100%. >> i'm not aware the president ever intimated he wanted to fire robert mueller. mueller is still special counsel. >> are we having a google issue here? >> questions grow on the bias inside the fbi. >> the so-called deep state. >> this memo of answers the legitimate questions. >> you want the president to declassify the memo? >> having read the memo, i think it would be appropriate that the public has full release. >> i have questions on others within the fbi and the doj. >> you're painting a conspiracy. you think that's the most plausible -- >> no. >> chuck, this place sucks. joining me this hour to talk about all of that and more, white house reporter for the associated press, katherine lucy, national politico reporter for axios, jonathan swan is still with us. former rnc chair and political

analyst, michael steele, and former deputy assistant for the national defense and national security adviser, nancy farkus. considering we just went through the headlines on russia, the me memo, john, i want to pick up where we left off. the idea that the president's team is incredibly concerned about potential, the perjury problem, so to speak. where does that -- how concerned are they still that they have any -- do they have a way out of having the president talk about mueller? >> well, he's going to have to -- it seems, anyway, it seems that the way it's been set up, that he's going to have some interaction with mueller. is that a written question and answer? we know that mueller won't want that, he'll want a live interview, but it is very clear. you know, you don't need to have great reporting to figure it out. it is all there to see publicly. the president is there to see me, i can't wait, and then you have ty cobb saying, we hope it's not a perjury trap. he literally used the phrase. and john dowd says, i'm the one

who decides, he's not doing anything until i decide. and the people around the close orbit are concerned that the president could perjur himself. >> i want to get to another story, steve wynn has resigned as rnc finance chairman following a wall street journal report in which dozens of women told the paper about a decade's long pattern of sexual misconduct by wynn. wynn denied the allegations in a statement writing in part, quote, the idea that i ever assaulted any woman is preposterous. rnc chair released this statement saying, quote, i accepted steve wynn's resignation as republican chair. that stands in contrast to what was said about harvey weinstein when she tweeted, quote, if the dnc truly stands up for women

like they say they do, then returning weinstein's dirty money should be a no-brainer. already congresswoman karen handel of georgia said she donated the $2700 contribution she got from wynn to a nonprofit that deals with domestic violence. and "the wall street journal" now reporting that house speaker paul ryan will also donate $1,000 contribution linked to steve wynn that he received back in 2016 to charity. meanwhile, president trump, surprise, surprise, has yet to weigh in on wynn's resignation. the two are long-time business rivals and friends. wynn served on the president's inaugural committee and is someone mr. trump has spoken about glowingly in the past. >> and another great friend of mine, somebody respected by everybody, a great friend of phil, too, mr. and mrs. steve wynn. stand up, steve. stand up. steve is always calling, he's always got advice, right, steve? donald, i think you don't do this and that, his advice i like

to listen to, i'll be honest with you. >> michael steele, i want to go to you on this. what should the rnc say in this instance? and what should republicans do now? >> well, they did the right thing in terms of, you know, trying to get ahead of this and getting wynn off of their radar screen, simply because they've got a meeting this week, their winter meeting here in d.c. area, so they don't want that to be the poppic of conversation, but it will be one of the topics of conversation. the chairwoman's muted response is rather amusing, particularly given, it sort of tells you when the shoe is on the other foot how tight that shoe can really fit. you know? so here we are. and it's actually been surprising that you haven't heard much from anybody out of the 168 members of the rnc, national chair, committee of men and women, but this week will be a chance with the reporters scouting the halls to ask them

up close and personal what they think. >> jonathan swan. >> hanging over all of this, we can deduce something from this, is donald trump. and ronna mcdaniel doesn't do anything without donald trump's blessing. she always talks, they talked early yesterday. we have not seen donald trump say anything publicly. i would love to know what that conversation sounded like with donald trump. because her statement could not have been, as you said, weaker. >> although we do know that he signed off on the -- >> it would have happened, yes. >> so there was that level. but yeah, you're absolutely right. we don't know what the president thinks in full, and we may learn about it in a midnight tweet at some point this week, given how he operates. >> right. one thing, too, is, and i have found as i talked to sources on both sides of the aisle, there is a tendency, evelyn, for each side to take this and say, oh, this is -- this is a partisan problem. when, really, this is clearly, as those tweets demonstrate, happening on both sides of the aisle and is more of a

reckoning. >> it shouldn't be politicized. and i think there was other coverage today during the day when they talked about the state of the union address and who is going to be sitting in the audience. and one of the company they or thes commentator said, it shouldn't be a democratic issue, the me too. and likewise, the steve wynn case falls into that category. it shouldn't be the possession of one party or another. i mean, everybody should be on the right side, though it's funny how the members of congress, they really, when the shoe is on the other foot, they speak very loudly. they forget. i mean, every time, i mean, you know how the hill operates, what goes around comes around all the time. it's just a matter of time. >> and somehow they manage to forget it when not running the show. to this point, "the new york times" is reporting that a senior adviser to hillary clinton was kept on the 2008 campaign even after being repeatedly accused of sexual

harassing a young subordinate. "the times" story said clinton's campaign manager should fire bernstrider, instead his pay was docked. he landed at a pro-clinton super pac to correct the record. clinton responded on twitter in this moment writing, and stopping short of an apology. quote, a story appeared today about something that happened in 2008. i was dismayed when it occurred, but was heartened that the young woman came forward, was heard and had her concerns taken seriously and addressed. i called her today to tell her how proud i am of her and to make sure she knows what all women should, we deserve to be heard. buzzfeed's ruby cramer has a piece out citing three clinton aides saying they want him fired and this is characteristic of his southern background. i thought they had manners in the south. he frequently kissed people on the head dating back to his days

on capitol hill, describing or touching or kissing someone on the head as part of cheering staffers on and doing devotional blessings. i quit doing that after '08 and i picked it up again and correct the record, he said, because all my young researchers seemed to like it. memo, they don't. ruth marcus writes in "the washington post," quote, hillary clinton, #metoo, #sowhat, how do you write a primal scream? because my head is about to explode over the story about alleged sexual harassment on hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign and her appallingly mild response. then and now. so two things here, first of all, there were two women in the hillary clinton campaign in 2008 who recommended that bernstrider be fired and hillary clinton overwrote that personal lip. but i want to focus on the temp ra rare response here that is missing the shift that is happening. >> it is an interesting moment here, which is two things going on, that hillary clinton has

been a person who has been inspiring to a lot of women, a lot of people credit the fact that she lost to donald trump as motivating a lot of women to get preemptive. >> and they are. they are more preemptive. >> you're seeing a historic number of them running for office, and then you're seeing this me too moment, the time's up moment. and then this, for one example, she's not necessarily the standard bearer that everyone wants. so how do you reconcile those things? and i think the one tinge thhin wonder about is, it doesn't appear hillary clinton will run for anything that we know of. she's knock bying the same space in public life, but does this mean she can't take on the elderman state role in the elections and how much does she need to do at this point? that's kind of what we'll see in the next -- >> clearly, evelyn, her relationship with sexual harassment in the public sphere is a complicated one. but i do, in having spoken to a lot of young women in the course of covering this story, i do

think that there is some frustration on the part of younger women in the workplace. they don't necessarily feel as though, while they may feel grateful to women who initially led the feminist movement and have clearly come before and made a lot of strides and ground, they don't necessarily feel protected by women in power sometimes. >> yeah, i can see that. i mean, you know, when i read about that, i thought to myself, well, what job did the young woman get? because the gentleman in question, if i can call him a gentleman, he thinks he's a southern gentleman, i guess, but anyway, the campaign senior staffer, he obviously wasn't sanctioned and he didn't suffer as a consequence. in fact, he was promoted and kept on and promoted. so did she get a lateral move? it doesn't sound like she was promoted. so i think that's problematic because at the end of the day, that's really what matters for women, is whether we're taken as equals in the pocketbook and in terms of promotion and opportunity for advancement. >> what struck -- i'm sorry, just real quick, what struck me

in that narrative is that she, the woman, was moved to a different position. he wasn't moved out. yeah. she was the one who brought the concern and the allegations and others corroborated. and she was put into a different position in the campaign, not him. and that says all you need to know about how even the most sophisticated people in the world deal with this issue. >> yeah. being heard is only part of it. >> that's right. >> i just don't understand. i just don't understand it. she's not disputing any of the facts in that story n that tweet. she's not saying, no, this is a wrong account. the account is pretty damning. he ended up working in the super pac. >> over the objections of two women who said you should be fired. >> the idea that she can't say sorry and she made a mistake and gravely regrets it, i just don't understand it. >> katherine, you mentioned women are so motivated, i want to show our viewers a piece of the new interview from president trump, which may or may not

surprise you. take a look. >> are you a feminist? >> no, i wouldn't say i'm a feminist. i mean, i think that would be maybe going too far. i'm for women, i'm for men, i'm for everyone. >> so on the flip side of this conversation, to your point that women may be galvanized in 2020 -- >> yeah, the president saying he's not a feminist is like he just galvanized more women. >> what is your reaction to that? >> there's pay inequality. i think maybe we're at 80 cents to the dollar, but pay inequality, we have horrible problems with childcare, which leads to women having trouble getting advancement, women are still not at the top of the boardrooms. i gave the example before of the eight co-chairs of davos, there are some great examples internationally and in the u.s., like the ibm ceo, but you know, women still have a long way to go. and the fact that the president somehow doesn't seem to grasp this is sad. >> and you can see in this

administration there's a limited number of women in top jobs, a limited number that put up for judgeships and other roles like that. so these things matter. >> yeah. evelyn far coscus, thank you fo your time. while democrats look to steal a seat in pennsylvania, the new report out just from the hill. the koch brothers plan to up spend millions of dollars to elect conservatives, the most ever. and as we go to break, the arts of the deal. >> president trump asked if a van gogh painting landscape with snow could be displayed in the white house's living quarters. that painting hangs in the guggenheim museum in new york city. the chief curator nancy specter said no. the van gogh was not available, but miss specter offered an alternative. an 18 karat fully functioning gold toilet. this work of art had been

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i think that the tax plan has -- has been even better than we thought. what did happen that nobody considered is that at&t started, but they immediately followed,

hundreds of companies are giving thousands and thousands of dollars to their workers. and now you have almost 3 million workers that are receiving thousands of dollars. >> that was president trump speaking with cnbc during his trip to davos this week for the world economic forum. and with trump slated to deliver his first state of the union speech this week, he'll likely keep that focus on his economic achievements. since his tax plan was passed, 40 companies from the s&p 500, including comcast, announced they are giving bonuses to employees as a result of the tax reform bill. but while a new reuters poll has the president's economic approval rating at 49%, his overall job approval stands at just 37%. so can the president stay on message long enough to keep the focus on our booming economy? i'm joined now by mark lauder, former specialist to the president and press secretary to vice president pence. thank you for being here, really appreciate it. walk me through, it does seem,

and i think the question is, normally the president's approval ratings are tied very closely to how well our economy is doing. and there seems to be questions about whether that's the case for the president here. >> i think it will catch up. i think what you're seeing is a huge amount of optimism from the american people, you're seeing it in companies, the hiring, the bonuses, the raises, and the longer it goes, i think you will see that economic momentum translate into the president's approval ratings as we go further out. >> what does the president need to accomplish on tuesday night? in some ways, it's -- normally this speech is, it consumes washington and the pomp and circumstance of it. we rarely get to hear from the president. we hear from the president all the time in all kinds of ways. it's one of the rare situations where it's entirely possible he'll give the speech and by the morning we'll be talking about something completely different. >> well, i think one of the things here, though, is this speech transcends just fake cable news. where many people here in washington and people who are politically inclined, we watch

this all the time. this is one of the few occasions when all the major networks will be carrying it. and it will translate into everyone watching it, or many people watching it at home, so many people who are just reading the headlines and catching it in the evening newscast, i think they'll get a better glimpse of what the president's vision is. he's going to lay out a bold plan. he's definitely going to talk about the economic accomplishments, be he's got boundless optimism in the american spirit and economy. you will see that. >> i'm interested to see, his inaugural speech was the opposite of optimistic. >> but go back to the first joint address to congress, not a state of the union a few weeks later, and he really laid out that vision. >> it was very well received. >> it was very well received. i think you'll see a speech from his heart. i think you will see him build on the economic success that has taken place, some of the national security success. and i think he'll make a call on congress, whether it be on immigration, infrastructure and ways to move together forward in a pi partisan passifashion.

>> jonathan swan? >> there's been a lot of moments where trump was very moved by that moment, if you remember in the speech to the joint session of congress, where they had the widow of the fallen navy s.e.a.l. and there was a standing ovation. >> we all were. it was incredibly moving. >> it was an incredibly moving moment. and i expect there will be families of opioid victims perhaps as guests, so that will put a lot of attention into the guest list to create these moments in the speech. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> but none of it matters come wednesday morning. if the president at 6:00 a.m. tweets something that reflects more of what he really feels. because the thing to keep in mind about this speech, including the first one that he gave, that it is -- basically, the president in a box, it is the president required to give a prepared text that does not necessarily reflect what he really thinks and feels about what he's talking about. we have seen it too many times to know the history here.

so my anticipation is probably a very good speech on tuesday, and then let's wait for the final on wednesday because that's likely to come in the next round. now, it could be on any number of topics that some may not be covered in the speech, but i think that's the thing that hurts this president's momentum oftentime when he does the after action to take away from what was a very good speech the night before. >> what is your reporting showing on how the white house is preparing for this behind the scenes? >> they are putting a lot of effort into this, obviously. and to mark's point, they really want to make an uplifting positive speech. and i think the speech that the president gave in davos last week is something to look at. that was certainly a more, sort of a more positive tone, a sort of victory lap on the economy, and he avoided combative language and some of his more insidiary phrases. no little rocketman, there was no fire and fury. i don't think we'll see that on

tuesday either. >> mark, before i let you go, i want to ask you about the vice president and his role in the midterm elections coming up. it's potentially a tough map. what do you think the vice president could bring to the table to campaigning for republicans that perhaps wouldn't be a strongsuit for the president? >> well, i don't think it's a question of what is strong for the president and not. >> so let's just go with what are vice president pence's picks? >> well, i will tell you, he's going to be very busy in the first quarter. i think he's got about 30 trips planned already in various events supporting republican candidates. he's kicking off a two-day event here in washington with some of the top donors, which are going to help provide the funding so he can go out and take that message around. the vice president is typically happiest when he's out talking to real people and talking about the president's message. so it really fits right into with what he likes to do. >> mark lauder, thank you for coming in tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. when we return, states at play. democrats see an opening to steal a seat in pennsylvania and

mitt romney sees an opening in the senate. we're back live from d.c. in just a moment.

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man, i wish george w. bush was our president right about now. so i just wanted to address my fellow americans tonight and remind you guys that i was really bad. i feel for donny, i really do. i'm not a trump synthesizer or anybody, but we both won the election despite losing the popular vote. though back in my day, we didn't let russians rig our elections. we used the supreme court like americans. >> that was will ferrell reprising his role of george w. bush on last night's "saturday night live." welcome back to "kasie dc." will ferrell set us up perfectly because the last time the house, the last time the democrats took back the house was in 2006, partly because george w. bush was so unpopular. it seems now donald trump is at least, if not potentially more so, unpopular.

pennsylvania '18 is a special election to replace tim murphy who departed after a complicated sexual misconduct claims. what is your sense, it seems like this is really in play, and this is -- >> i think it is. i think you're seeing folks on the ground there gin up in a way they wouldn't otherwise given the nature of the district. it's a strong leaning or very strong republican district. and the fact of the matter is, the parties on both sides are now going to put a lot of boots on the ground, a lot of money into the race, because it is a pick-up opportunity for the dems. but more importantly for the republicans, they are getting tale-tell signs of weaknesses in other places around the country as well. so this race can serve almost as a bell weather in some red lights for things coming down the pipe they may not like. >> two points, i think trump won, was it 20 points, something like that? so the fact that it's in play is obviously concerning.

but all these races are nationalized. and the democrats are getting so much smaller donor money because of the national fervor against trump. so this could be really draining the republican party's coffers. >> and this is the kind of district that has historically been a place democrats could win, but trump, if this is the kind of place where trump won the state of pennsylvania, for example. >> pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, these states, traditionally democratic states that are often democratic states that trump flipped, absolutely. the democrats want to show momentum. this is the first opportunity out of the gate in '18 today that. and the republicans badly want to blunt it. whatever happens in one race is one race, but both sides will want to show how the year will go. >> and as a corollary to that, one thing people up didn't pay attention to alabama that we're about to see in pennsylvania is that the president at the beginning of 2017 was at 68% approval rating in that state. on the day of that election, he

was at 48% approval. so the thing to keep in mind is, yes, the president won it by 20 in 2016, but this is now 2018. and as a whole lot of terrain covered, and to your point, the races are much more nationalized now than they were then. so it could be a real problem for republicans. >> but at least the republican candidate is not an accused pedophile. >> amen. >> that is a plus. >> probably for the best. so the other race i wanted to touch on, too, is mitt romney, potentially gearing up for a senate run in utah, at least potentially putting more puzzle pieces in play next week, though i'm told not to anticipate any sort of formal announcement. it does seem to me that they, at least, believe the path is pretty clear. that puts him on track to be a potential serious antagonist for president trump. >> i think he'll be one of the most compelling figures in the senate, assuming he runs, assuming he wins. i think those are both fairly good odds on the questions, but

he will be almost the standard-bearer for, you know, the republican party that was. ofie yester year, the one we're familiar with. >> does that party have a future? >> ask this guy. >> it better. i how oppe it does. look, here's the thing about the trump era that people need to understand. there was a lot of unsettled business in the party before trump cam along. trump came along and actually served as a big band-aid to a lot of that. romney's role is going to have to be carefully crafted once he gets to the senate. he cannot be the, you know, the an titithesis of donald trump, can't be the anti-trump. he has to bridge that gap in a way so that everything he says and utters is not taken as anti-trump by a lot of folks still in the party. >> you have been seeing that behind the scenes already, just

talking to people who advise him and are around him, the message i'm getting for people who worked for him before is essentially that, is he going to standout to the president? absolutely. but is he going to agree with the president in some places? he might to a degree that might surprise people. >> right. >> and i think -- >> we know the president is not thrilled about this prospect. he tried to get orrin hatch to run again. it sets up a fascinating dynamic, and we have seen this relationship sort of evolve and come back and forth for some time. and we all remember when romney came and they broke bread and they ate, was it frog legs? and then he had to come and give the statement to the press about how, how great trump was. so it will be really interesting to see if not equal footing, both with their independent power up against each other. >> and we didn't get to talk about bernie 2020, which apparently is also in the news this week. >> it's gearing up. >> already gearing up. >> are you feeling the bern? >> i'm feeling the bern, let's bring it. have some fun. >> it's nice to bring the bern

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i wouldn't send my dogs to you, sir. my page only goes to 100 years. sir, i'm giving you 175 years, which is 2100 months. i've just signed your death warrant. >> that was judge rose marie during an emotional sentencing hearing for disgraced gymnastics doctor larry nassar who will, as you heard the judge say, likely spend the rest of his life in prison for molesting young girls under the guides of medical treatment. since that hearing, the fallout has been swift. finally, michigan's attorney general says he's opening a new investigation into how the allegations against nassar were dealt with at michigan state university where nassar practiced sports medicine. all the school's athletic director announced retirement and the school's president resigned. the remaining directors of usa gymnastics say they will resign

as well. but now lawmakers on capitol hill are taking action. tomorrow the house is expected to vote on the latest version of a bill that would force athletic organizations to report sexual abuse allegations more quickly. on top of that, a house committee is opening an investigation of sexual abuse in organized sports, including usa gymnastics. when we come back, new cases of sexual misconduct with new repercussions in congress. he called her his soul mate after using taxpayer money to settle a sexual harassment claim. now congressman pat neiman won't see re-election. that's next on "kasie dc." i'm jimmy, this is my definition of fresh since 1983.

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under the current conditions, any campaign i would run would not be decided over vital issues but likely devolve into an ugly harsh rhetoric. meehan admitted he had a close relationship with the aide, but the letter he wrote to her was mischaracterized. >> i said, go for it. i want you to know that i'm here for that. that's been turned as a love letter, that somehow i have been, you know, harassing because i'm writing love letters. i was writing a letter to say, i love the idea that you have found this new relationship. and even though it hurts me that we're going to be separated, and even though i'm struggling with the idea that having you with me is something i need to make sure i always keep professional. >> this is a boss writing a letter to a junior staffer about her relationship, new relationship with somebody not him. according to "the washington post," meehan is the seventh member of this congress to resign or retire due to

misconduct allegations. joining me now, democratic congresswoman lois frankel of florida. congresswoman, thank you for your time, appreciate it. i want to start by asking you about the plans for the state of the union. many women members of congress planning to wear black. are you participating? can you explain what is behind it? >> yes, well, first of all, kasie, thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. >> of course. a couple weeks ago i sent an e-mail out to all members of congress, and i asked them to join me in wearing black on tuesday night. it's going to be a big audience, millions of people watching, and we wanted to take advantage of that opportunity and send a message of solidarity with the me too survivors and join those who were saying, time is up now for sexual harassment and inequality in the workplace. and that there are many members of congress that want to be part

of the solution. >> congresswoman, do you expect to have bipartisan participation in this? or do you think it's just going to be democratic women? >> well, i haven't taken a clothing check. i don't know whether the women -- i know a lot of the democratic women will also be wearing black. but i do know -- >> they do most years, in fairness. >> and i'm hoping the president is wearing his black suit. i think, though, what is important is that following tuesday night, i know i've been working with some of my republican colleagues, men and women, and we're going to have a bipartisan hearing on sexual harassment in the workplace across all the different industries in this country and try to showcase good policies and see if we need to change laws. so i like to think of this as a, not a partisan issue, because sexual abuse and inequality in the workplace, that comes in all, i say all shapes and all

parties and all industries. >> congresswoman, to that point, there's been some reporting that hillary clinton in 2008 made a different decision from two different decision from two women including her campaign manager and decided not to fire burn strider, one of her faith adviser after a woman reported that he had repeatedly harassed her. i'm wondering, do you think that mrs. clinton should be apologizing for that now? she did not in a tweet. it she mishandle that situation? and how would you handle something in your own office along those lines. >> first, thanks for that question. listen, i don't really know the facts of what happened with mrs. clinton. i do know this. i do know that since the me too movement has begun, since these courageous victims, survivors have come forward, attitudes are changing and the way people may have handled something, two years ago, a year ago or even two months ago is very, very

different. >> congresswoman, i apologize for interrupting you, but hillary clinton did tweet con tell rain yously and she called the women and she was glad she had been heard. she did not say she should have handled it differently. do you think if the incident happened today it should be handled differently than it was in 2008? >> not knowing specifically, i do these instances are handled differently and i can tell you right now, this week in congress, there will be new legislation that's going to require the congress to handle our sexual harassment allegations differently. in the past it's been very one sided against victims, we're going to go to a much more transparent streamlined system where members are going to have to be accountable and pay out of their own pockets. >> congresswoman, jonathan swan from axeios has a question for you. >> are you aware of any sexual

miss behavior from your male colleagues that hasn't come to light in the reporting so far? >> no, i am not. >> you haven't heard -- >> i will tell you -- >> any of your male colleagues? >> no, i've asked. i will tell you this, if i knew of some i would come forward and tell the proper folks to get it handled but i have not heard of anything else, other than what you know. >> and based on that standard, you hadn't heard of any of the previous ones that had been disclosed? >> i have to say, most of it was very shocking to me. >> most or all of it. >> and unacceptable. >> so none of them, you heard none of them before hand? >> no. >> congresswoman, quickly, i'm wondering you obviously are a very accomplished woman in public life. do you have a personal me too story that you bring to this? >> nothing egregious like some of the stories we've heard.

listen, it's very hard to get through life first of all without having some experiencing inequality in the workplace in terms of pay and so forth and advancement. listen, i probably had my share of comments that i didn't like but nothing egregious like we've heard from some of these survivors. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for your time tonight. it's great to see the progress that's being made on this front in the congress and we'll watch to see what happens on the floor for the state of the union. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> when we return, what to watch for in the week ahead. sometimes a cough gets in the way of a good night's sleep.

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>> yes, that is a very smooth transition. but first, i want to show you and i think hopefully we have this -- the president has done -- with piers morgan in which he talks about the tweeting habits and i'm not sure all of which we had confirmed. let's take a look. >> do you actually tweet yourself? >> i do. i also give it to people and sometimes i have one case where a lawyer did a tweet. i have people that are with me -- >> the whole world waits for you to wake up. >> they wait -- >> tenderhooks, crazy situation. >> lying in bed with your phone, working out how to wind everybody up. >> perhaps sometimes in bed offer breakfast or lunch. >> sometimes at breakfast, sometimes at lyncunch.

jonathan? >> very unsexy but it's the 13th circuit court judge that will be confirming, this is far outpacing any of the previous presidents and it will be mitch mcconnell's biggest long term legacy, hugely important. >> you're right, very long lasting legacy. not important. it is very important, not very sexy is a word you use. >> before we get to the wednesday after the speech, it's going to be whether or not the president really does hold the line and what kind of gauntlet he throws down on immigration in front of that congress. >> the other thing in the speech we're looking for, more details on infrastructure, what does the plan look like? how are they going to pay for it? what details are we going to get. that's a partisan issue but how is that going to work. >> there are real questions about can they -- is there a world in which they can actually -- more there with you on that. but that does it tonight for us. we'll be back next week 7:00 to 9:00 eastern. for now, good night.

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