msnbc world head kwaquarters. thank you for staying with us. we're going to start with an nbc news exclusive. right there you're looking at the democrats' most detailed public house to chairman devin nunes' controversial memo that came out friday. nbc news obtaining this rebuttal written by the top democrat on the house judiciary committee. congressman jerry nadler. breaking that story for us about an hour ago. we had r more time to digest it and look through it. when you look through the six pages here he makes four core points. what stands out in response? this is a rebuttal to nunes's memo that came out yesterday. >> that's right. it's a memo about a memo. the key point here in nunes'

memo released yesterday by the house intelligence committee declassified by president trump the argument goes like this. you have this dossier of information compiled by fusion gps, an opposition research firm and it was the funding behind it included democratic sources. democratic law firm affiliated with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. and that information contained this this dossier that was tound out by found out by a british spy named christopher steel was included in an application for a fi fie is a warrant. the nunes mm moe argumented because when the fbi went before the fisa court and included this in their evidence to try to obtain the warrant, they didn't disclose that there were political sources behind it that it should have been. -- it could have invalidated the

request. . it shouldn't have been put forward and it represented a real abuse on the part of the justice department. what he's say in this memo takes that point head on. this memo is is being circulated just now to democrats in the house of representatives. and what he points out is that there's not enough evidence in the nunes memo to show that the fisa warrant would not have been approved and there's a case law that shows that it wouldn't have been improper for the fbi or the justice department not to include the fact that there were political sources behind it. the only real issues would have been if they intentionally either included improper information knowingly false information r or if theys ek colluded information that had had it been included would have reflected negatively on the chances of being approved. some of the other points in this memo involve that he had such expertise on the issues of russia and organized crime that his testimony that he found

would have carried such a weight to outweigh the fact there may have been a political source. we know that from the testimony before the house intelligence committee by the fusion gps co-founder that he may not have even know that there was political sources behind his work. all he knew is he was getting a check. and then finally the other two points is is that there's no proof here in the memo whatsoever that should lead to the termination of the deputy attorney general and this is more of a political argument, if you will than a legal analysis, that what we have seen from house republicans that the committees are undergoing is perhaps an effort not to go as far as democrats would like to see them go. and trying to uncover what happened here. this memo shows a more determined effort not just simply to not negligeinvestigatt to get into the way of the mueller investigation.

>> an important point to make about the author here. a person who very well understands the constitution. number two, that he has actually read the fisa warrant in question. >> that's a very important point here. democrats would like to be a little more force fful in the response to the nunes memo, but it's hard because we're dealing with a document that up until yesterday had been classified. and democrats have been assembling on the intelligence committee their own formal response to the memo, but that document at this point is still classified. in fact, republicans have blocked efforts to try to have their memo released at the same time as nunes' memo. now nadler is one of only four members of the house that e we know of at this point who has actually seen the fisa application that is a key part, one of the most important underlying documents. so the fact that he's putting this out and having been one of the few people who sees that is

significant. it will be interesting to see the memo from democrats when it comes out written by adam schiff on the house intelligence committee. whether or not that comes out depends on whether president trump will agree to declassify it. >> mike memly with that exclusive. getting that six-page response it for us in the last hour, coming from jerry nadler, thank you tr your reporting there had. i want to bring in justice correspondent pete williams and white house correspondent jeff bennett. the president is spending the weekend at his estate. what's your response to the memo coming from nunes? >> it's a legal argument mostly i think. what he's saying is a couple points. number one, even if you assume that christopher steel who wrote

this dossier is biassed, that as a legal matter, if it you look at the case law that's been applied for decades in cases like this, bias doesn't mean that the warrant is invalid. that intformants are often bias. the matter is if they have credible information. there are two reasons to think that the fisa warrant should be upheld. one is that he himself is credible, christopher steel, and secondly, that there's other corroborating information in the warrant beyond what he said. and thirdly, both he and the other democrats have said that it isn't true that the fisa court was not told that christopher steel might have a political bias. it may be true, and we just don't know this for a fact, that the republican memo is right here in that the court was not told that some of christopher steel's companies work was paid

for by the democrats, but nonetheless, the democrats say in their response to the nunes memo, the court was told that anti-trump political factions were involved in his work. so they say the court was a red flag about his bias. >> and. building on that summary, over to you, jeff. in addition to that in the memo, nunes saying that republicans are, quote, now part and parcel to an organized effort to obstruct mueller's probe. again the nadler's analysis that representing really the democrats most e detailed public response so tar. has there been a response to the response tr the white house. we're only an hour in to jerry nadler's six-page memo. >> not to the memo itself. i have reached out to officials and haven't received a response yet. but white house officials were echoing the president's own statement, his tweet this morning, which effectively laid the groundwork to discredit the

potential findings of the special counsel probe. here's what the president wrote on twitter. this memo totally vindicates trump in probe, but the russian witch hunt goes on and on. their was no collusion, and there was no obstruction. the word now used because after one year of looking endlessly and finding nothing collusion is dead. this is an american disgrace. as mike and pete have expertly laid out, there's nothing in the memo that validates the president's tweet, but the nunes memo is a political document not a legal one and politically it's significant and that it gives the president's allies fatter, people looking for evidence to discredit the russia probe to suggest that there's something about the criminal investigation into trump campaign associate who is might have colluded to suggest that that investigation is not on the level. it it comes as the president's legal team is in talks with representatives of the special

counsel team about bh the president himself will sit down for an interview with members of his legal team. >> thank you both. have a good saturday ahead of you. for days, republicans pushed to have the memo relowsed and now that it's out, what have they accomplished? plus more on how the top democrat of the house committee is picking it apart. . roads nowhere to be found. and it's exactly what you're looking for.

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you figure that one out. >> they are harvard graduates. they are experienced lawyers. they are 27 years in the department. rachel has had a number of years in the department previously. and so they both represent the kind of quality in leadership that we want in the department. >> that was president trump and attorney general jeff sessions talking about rod rosenstein. trump and sessions having different feelings about the man who overcease the mueller investigation. jerry nadler releasing a e rebuttal to the memo in the last hour. that six-page rebuttal challenging the core conclusions of the nunes memo. let's bring in frank montoya, former fbi special agent.

there is that question of rod rosenstein right now and what will happen next. when we look at what has been said so far. there seems to be differing objectives coming from the administration right now. what do you take away in terms of the memo that came in on friday. we have jerry nadler saying there's not enough information here to point, if you will, a finger at rosenstein right now and we have both sessions and donald trump saying different things. >> i think that representative n nadler's comments today is a reminder that this is a legal process. not something subject to popular opinion. the focus is going to remain on that legal process. when you look at the memo itself and what it was supposed to allege or accuse or whatever it is their intent was, the fact of the matter was it didn't meet the expectation. what this investigation continues to look like, it's always looked like but continues

to look like a legitimate fbi counterintelligence/criminal investigation into wrong doing. >> when we talk about the question of sources and methods and that this declassified memo was going to be seen by the public, that was a concern from the intelligence community. i want to read, first of all, or play first of all, that which was said by former acting ci director on the memo and its impact on the intelligence community. then i'll get your reaction. >> if you're in the intelligence community now, you might think twice about what you're going to write down on a piece of paper. you might think twice about what you're going to share. you may worry about whether in sharing it will be taken ask used for partisan political purposes out of context. >> so when you look at the memo,

do you agree again here with the former acting director? >> i think that can clearly have a chilling effect on law enforcement. if people know intelligence officers know that their words could be subject to this kind of scrutiny in a way that was never expected, the release of classified information or declassified information now that can have a chilling effect. as a former federal prosecutor, what really struck me about this whole memo and the allegations in it is that you have had maybe not just one, but two or three or four trfederal judges who ma findings of probable cause, in other words, it's more likely than not that carter page was, in fact, a russian operative, a secret russian operative who had been taking bribes from russian officials in exchange for trying to influence donald trump and his team to somehow reduce sanctions against russian ole

garks should he take office. those are serious allegations. the nunes memo attacks none of it. it doesn't mention those facts, it doesn't undercut those facts. i think it's safe to say at this point that mr. nunes had any indication that those core facts, the heart of that memo were wrong, that we'd be hearing about it now. >> intelligence sources and methods, please e react to that here frank. i'm going to read a portion from don mcgahn in the cover let tore this memo when it was declassified. he's saying in short, would this serve the public interest. and he's saying it does. does it? >> it does. when you look at what he was saying, we have done a lot of hard work, a lot of really since the 2001 events to improve information sharing torks

improve the ability to work together with other agencies the memo confirms there was a fisa collection against cart er page. the fact that there's a lot of effort that went into putting together the application to get the authorization to conduct that investigation. and what this does is it puts the effective information sharing, the effective intelligence collection that went into this process, it does put it at risk. it does make people wonder if they contribute to the next one, are they going to get exposed needlessly in the same way this information got. exposed. it's a big challenge. it's one that's leaving a lot of people very frustrated right now. for what purpose? only political in nature. >> the question of has trust between the intelligence community and the american people now been decreased, not destroyed, but maybe lowered. when we look at a new poll coming out, it shows that that

trust in the fbi has gone down. what's your thought on this? >> you have the president of the united states lodging a frontal attack on this country's intelligence community. the president of the united states, his words matter. people listen. they listen. people who favor him and people against him. if you are a person of that significance coming out and blatantly attacking the intelligence community calling them corrupt at every turn, of course, that's going to have a bleed over effect and clearly can cut into the confidence that the public has in its law enforcement agencies. and it's clearly at this point within large part if not in totally politically motivated. >> the president tweeted about that and politicizing the intelligence community. depending on which side of the aisle you're on, you might point to different actors who are causing that to happen. frank, are we looking at just

the first step of the intelligence that our national security depends on being politicized. are we early on in this process? >> no, this has gone on for over a year now. >> i guess i'm asking do you expect it to get worse? >> it's going to continue. that's part of the challenge. you're look at inside the fbi and how the organization is trying to deal with this it. you have a new director who is trying to assert his authority. he's trying to show he's a leader. the question is how does he respond to these ongoing accusations. these sucker punches that we're taking daily. the big challenge there is this is unprecedented for an organization like the fbi to face this kind of attacks. how do you react. and it's not so much about making people feel happy, but how you protect your independ t independence, how you protect all of the effort that has gone into building public trust over

the years. how you protect the integrity of investigat investigations. it's all a big challenge. and there's no playbook for it. we're making it up as we go along. that's part of the challenge or the difficulty of the situation we find ourselves in. >> you're watching a politicizing of intelligence. we'll see who and how they will plug that hole in the boat. thank you, both. >> thank you. total. vindication. president trump claims a memo clears him proving there was no obstruction or collusion. does it really threaten robert mueller's investigation in the end? our panel discusses that.

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welcome back. democrats are you shalling back following the release of the nunes memo that happening friday. just this afternoon the last hour and a half nbc news exclusively obtaining a rebut l rebuttal. this coming from congressman jerry nad lerks the ranking democrat on the house judiciary committee and one of a small is group of elected officials who has read the classified fisa documents at the heart of the controversy around the memo coming out on friday. joining us now is charlie

savage, washington correspondent for "the new york times." alex, let's start with you on this. one of the points being made here about the nunes memo is it is jerry nadler trying to put his flag in the ground. that's number one. but number two, this has got to have the eyes on one of the few four, had his eyes on the actual fisa warrant. >> right, so this jerry nadler memo let's you start by saying what it is and isn't. this is more of a legal analysis. he's the ranking member of the judiciary committee. he's not on the intelligence committee. there's a separate document that democrats on the intelligence committee are hoping to put out, but so far have not been able to because it contains classified information and has to go through a process where president trump will have approval over that. nadler is new. this was a post that was held by cornyn, excuse me, john conyers

who was forced to resign. so nadler is in a very interesting position here. if democrats retake the house next year and if impeachment becomes an issue, he would be the guy sheparding that. he would have an interesting political stake inside his own party. he could be trying to plant the flag here. what the memo says is that the legal rational behind the memo is wrong. everything they argue is misleading. and as you said, he has read the underlying material. so he has more credibility to make that point. but ultimately, there's not a whole lot of new information here. that will have to come from the intelligence community members. >> the last couple years, the state of the union is so far back in our rear view mirror right now as we look at the memo that came out today. but typically wouldn't we be talking about what's happening in the state of the union with the president be on the road, pushing forward his platform that he went through during the state of the union instead of,

well, we're talking about the nunes memo. >> i was at the retreat where republican lawmakers wanted to be talking about the state of the union, which they felt the president did very well. they want to be talking about tax cuts, people are getting bonuses, it's being well received. instead all everyone was asked about were the memos. and so if you're a republican who is worried about keeping the house so that someone like jerry nadler does not deal with impeachment, you want to talk about things showing up in people's pockets the taxes ask president trump's state of the the union. but the memo is sucking up all the oxygen. republicans drove this themselves. they had a hash tag to drum this all up. so it's definitely sucking up oxygen from what they should be touting as their wins. >> and when you look at ameri n americans across the country, they are really looking at february 8th. they are really looking at thursday. they are really looking at will we get a budget and daca.

yet they are waiting for a democratic response from the house intel committee. >> those who watch networks like this and those who care about politics, inside the beltway, we're obsessed with nothing about this. the fallout from it. the problem is this is not really about the court of law and what the legal standards are. this is about the court of public opinion. and it's really exceeded this one-half of america. it really was an important revelation of scandal. jerry nadler can't really rebut that so the same standards.

his problem is that the facts that are necessary to show if the democrats are right that the nunes memo is wildly misleading and mischaracterizes things at its core findings, those are still classified. it will take president trump's decision and a vote by republican members of the house to let those contrary facts see the light of day. it will be interesting to see whether that happens. the key thing, the really core question is when the memo says the nunes memo, that is, that the intelligence court was never told that the democratic national committee or hillary clinton paid for the opposition research that was one component submitted to the judge this this wiretap application in october 2016, that creates the impression that the judge was not told that the information was coming from a source that might have a political bias. adam schiff, the chairman of the the house intelligence committee, said that's a serious

mischaracterization. and we have other members of the intelligence committee and staffers who said the judge was told that there was a political motivation behind the information. just without a name attached. if so, the nunes memo is indeed wildly misleading. that fact is still classified so people can't talk about it. >> i do want to push forward to february 8th because it's a handful of days away. this may not be resinate iing w the americans that care about the government being open. >> it's hard to know exactly what americans do care about because we're so split and so fractured. but i think it says a lot about what trump is thinking about. the president is thinking about. that he gives the state of the yawnon address on tuesday where the message is all about bipartisanship and cooperation. that's what e he wants you to tab away from it and three days later allows the release of the memo that he knows is going to inflame tensions and distract from those ongoing negotiations. i think from day one e he has been interested in governing for

his base. and giving ammunition to his base and trying to win for his base more than bringing people together. so this will be another big test. they punted the first time. will he be able to do something. at least we know where he is on immigration. but to me, it seems like we're still long way a away from a solution to the government shutdown. >> we have to leave it there. thank you very much. the man behind the memo. who is congressman devin nunes and what does he stand to gain? one of his constituents shares his thoughts about all th. sdm hoost a man of integrity. he's not going to do this just to help out president trump. he wants to get to the bottom of this issue. and bring full disclosure to the american people. wailing) (barry murrey) when you have a really traumatic injury,

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i don't have the full scope of all the intelligence reports that were produced or who ordered the unmasking of the additional names. what i read bothers me. and i think it should bother the president himself and his team. >> that was house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes.

with the president on intelligence reports that allegedly showed proof of improper surveillance of trump campaign officials. but that evidence has not yet emerged. what's more, nunes reportedly got his information from the trump white house itself. according to the "new york times," the night before those comments from nunes, he had secretly visited the white house where two officials had given him the same documents that he then returned to tell trump about the next day. nunes was forced to temporarily step away from the russia probe, but by december, the ethics committee cleared him of any wrong doing. now comes the nunes memo questioning the integrity of the fbi's investigation into trump and russia. that happened yesterday. so how did the california congressman's constituents feel about what has happened to date? his hometown paper calling nunes

trump's stooge. i want to bring in bill mccune, currently news director for gv wire. thank you for joining us, bill. trump's stooge, is that right? >> well, it certainly looks that way. if you look at congressman nunes's whole career, he's always been loyal to those above thhim. if you remember when the tea party and the freedom caucus were pushing hard against john boehner, it was b devin who came out and called them lemmings in vests. whenever something has come along to enable him to move up as far as the way he's looked at in the house, or now with president trump, he's always the loyal soldier. i think back he represents a jury district and cast a key vote for ethanol. and in essence, that raises corn and soy prices, raises for

dairymen and somehow he's always been the testiflon guy and been able to skate out of that. >> from what you know about nunes as a young man, as a college goer, as a high schooler, thereafter, does that indicate anything of who you might say he is is today when you look at his bio? >> so i would say -- i was talking to the los angeles times and he was saying that's the one thang that remains to be done is deep dive into devin's upbringing and high school and college life. >> andrew jans, who is nunes's opponent, a democrat, before i think -- right after the memo

came out and said, hey, it couldn't be better because i have raised to them about 100,000 during the day leading up to and the day of the memo. how does this look for his challenger base and what's happened so far? >> people say if there's a big story in the valley, "the new york times" did a story i think it came out yesterday or today and they made it seem like it was really jrge newsing the democratic base. in the past they conceded that nunes b would win by huge margins and in fact in the last three elections, he's garnered 62% of the votes, 72% of the vote, 68% of the vote. he enjoys about a 10% republicans enjoy registration vascular in the district. so he's actually outperformed the edge. one of the big reasons was he has never had a serious

candidate go against him since he won a primary back in 2002. >> and bill, when we look at fresno, i was just speaking at a citizenship ceremony in the last year and the faces that i saw out there in the crowd of 500 are ones that would care about daca. that's going to be coming up february 8th. this right in the heart of this election season that nunes is going to face. are we about to see new voters coming to potentially kick out nunes? >> i think there's some potential voters there. i think the biggest question is is when will the independents go? and in california '22, 19% of the voters are registered no preference. if you look at the past, he's winning almost universally. the and those slide to the side.

now they are energized. in regards to the memo, i don't think there's been a difference that stated it quite well. republicans love the memo. they say it proves the vendetta against president trump and the democrats are very outraged in camming it a nothing burger. >> so that's what you're kind of saying there. bill, thank you so much. bill from the gv wire there in fresno. where nunes has his particular district. appreciate it. securing the super bowl. a report from minneapolis about the extra measures police are taking to make sure fans and players are safe from the for the big game.

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another thing they are doing is allowing for security screening at the mall of america. so ticketholders can be screened at the mall and tan a trak to the stadium to reduce the amount of cars down here. sort of minimizing that security threat. tomorrow night there will be long lines outside the stadium expected. temperatures to be about 6 degrees. so it will be a cold wait outside the stadium. that doesn't mean these tickets aren't in high demand. we have found out the cheapest tickets you can get to get in is about $3,000. the most expensive ticket sold so far is $22,000. so quite an experience to be had there. >> $22,000, may spend that going somewhere where it's warm, but who knows. thank you very much. katie beck in advance of the super bowl. with millions watching tomorrow, many wander if players will make a political statement during the national anthem. al sharpton spoke to jah mel hill. her opinions on players kneeling

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. four times the top people at the fbi took this sal itious and unverified document, this dossier to the secret court to get a secret warrant to spy on a fellow american and guess what? they never told the cold that the democrat national committee an the clinton campaign paid for it. >> three of those times they did so after knowing that the very person who wrote it -- the dossier was not telling the truth. >> house republicans on the attack after the release of the nunes memo alleging intel abused by the fbi. today we obtained a rebuttal from congressman jerry nadler. challenging the nunes memo core conclusions. back with us, charlie savage, msnbc contributor and robert trainham from the bush-cheney campaign and vice president at the bipartisan policy center.

robert, we'll start with you. and you heard from the ohio representative there, they did not let them know that this was politically funded but that is not true according to our sourcing as well as other representatives who are privy to the information that indeed they were made aware of the political contributions made to this very report in the beginning. but all said, robert, when we have the nadler response and now we're good to get the official democratic response from the house intel committee, this is the middle of a very busy week. >> one would think. >> one would think. >> this is post-state of the union. this is post record high on -- on the -- on wall street. one would think this is a good week for the republicans when the president tried to pivot to bipartisan issues, but the republican party, my party, put its foot in the mouth when it comes to sticking -- stepping on its own message in many ways.

but this is an interesting point in terms of why did the president decide to release this. why did he give republicans permission to release this? i've read the memo about seven times and i just read it again about ten minutes ago. i don't understand how this exonerated the president. i don't get that. there is questions about the process, but if anything this strengthens the special prosecutor's hand, robert mueller's hand. so politically i think this will hurt the republican party in the long-term. >> where does this discussion of memos end. >> there is another fight now over memos. which is the democratic memo. the ten-page memo produced by democrats in the house intelligence committee but it is presenting a sort of factual rebuttal to the nunes memo. which nadler was not able to do because that information remains classified. filling in the omissions that are there and correct what they say are inaccurate assertions. question the -- the question is

whether they will refuse to let the memo come out at the same time, or let that see the light of day and even if they vote to do it, president trump would have to sign off or not object and will he let it see the light of day. it will be a telling political moment for the people who rallied around the phrase release the memo because there is another memo they might not like as much that might be released. >> memo two might be the hashtag there. and we have a copy of jerry nadler's six-page response. just his response. but given that here, robert, and happen tip to chris matthews here, is this a slow motion saturday night massacre because jerry nadler was bringing up rosenstein again. >> well i don't know about that. what i do know about rosenstein is he is the last man standing between he and mueller. if the president fires

rosenstein we'll have a constitutional moment that will be asaturday night massacre and then what do republicans do and speaker ryan and leader mcconnell and so forth. because there are many republicans that have put their line in the sand a couple of months ago by saying there is a berlin wall between special prosecutor robert mueller who by the way is a republican, who by the way is champion as a constant professional and puts country before party. a lot of republicans are saying that he is a stellar individual. a lost rkz said to let his do his job. so i'm interested to see what will happen and where does lindsey graham or vice president pence stand on this if rosenstein gets fired. >> what we want to ask and who we want to talk to here, charlie, and robert, are the very fisa judges involved in this. we also want to get our eyes on that fisa warrant. so we could really get to the

end of this somehow. but we'll never really be able to do that, right, charlie? >> the problem -- the core problem is that if -- if this was just a one thread in a tapestry of evidence about what russia was up to, what it was thinking, what carter page was up to, what he had been up to before with russians, all of that remains classified. now it doesn't mean we won't find out about it, but not through official channels. so i and my colleagues have reported that carter page was under scrutiny for having been the subject of a russia intelligence recruiting attempt in 2013. we think they got a fisa warrant on him back then as well. and then it lapsed and they renewed it amid the larger context in 2016 but none of that is in the nunes memo but there was a steele dossier and that was the fountain head of the investigation and therefore it is tantsed -- tainted from the origin but the memo said it did

not gbegin with the steele memo when ch is the conspiracy theory being pushed by the right. but the right question is does rod rosenstein survive, does president trump take advantage of this moment to try to oust him. >> paragraph five, the admittance of papadapoulos as the beginning of the investigation. robert, the methodology of this memo who are did it help more. >> in terms of political party? >> political party. >> i think it is the democrats first and i think it helps robert mueller. >> more? why? >> where do i begin. the president -- >> well in 20 seconds, yes. >> the president is not acting like an innocent person here. anyone who is innocent would say even more transparency. leave no stone unturned but he's not acting that way and i think that is raising a lot of eyebrows. >> got it. great stuff on the timing. robert and charlie, great reporting from the new york times. great to have you on.

thank you both. and have a very good super bowl weekend. that wraps up this hour. i'm richard lui and follow me on facebook and instagram and twitter. all in with chris hayes is up next. stick around. tonight on "all in", release the memo backfires. >> people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that. >> tonight after weeks of hype, why the actual news from the memo strengthens the collusion case. plus, is the president about to fire the man in charge of the mueller investigation. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> you figure that one out. >> why trump rejected the advice of his own fbi director but listened to this guy. >> it literally nears kgb style tactics and the man at the heart of the memo.