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and later tragedy on the tracks. congressman roger marshall tried to revive the driver of a trash truck after the terrible accident with the train carrying house republicans. congressman marshall is joining me as well. but tonight we want to start with a little game. it's called who said it. we're going to start with some easy ones. it will get a little harder as we go along. here is the first one. i bet you can guess. quote, this memo totally vind indicates trump in the probe. but the russian witch hunt goes on and on. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. the word used now used because after one year of looking endlessly and finding nothing collusion is dead. this is an american disgrace. did you guess? president trump? if so, you win. that was an easy one. he tweeted that saturday morning. now it gets a little harder. here's the next one. quote, i have great confidence in the men and women of this department, but no department is perfect. that was from attorney general jeff sessions.

probably the most note worthy part of his statement on all of this. now here's what's probably our toughest one. quote, as i have said repeatedly, this person said, i remain 100% confident in special counsel robert mueller. the contents of this memo do not -- in any way -- discredit his investigation. that comes from trey gowdy, the republican oversight chair who actually has seen the fisa material that went into the so-called nunes memo. remember, devin nunes has not. >> i don't think it has any impact on the russia probe for this reason. >> the memo has no impact on the russia probe? >> not to me it doesn't. and i was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it. >> if you are watching our show tonight, instet of the super bowl, i suspect you have seen some coverage recently of this memo, and there is plenty of object truce legal precedent and procedure surrounding it. but there are major consequence in both the short and the long

run. in the short run, can the president use this to cast enough doubt on the investigation that it becomes irrelevant no matter what is found to be true? early evidence suggests that's possible. a new axios poll shows fewer than 38% of republicans led by this, quote, law and order president, have a favorable opinion of the fbi. and in the long run, can the president fundamentally reshape the norms of our government? he promised he would on the campaign trail and at this moment we are watching it happen. in the congress, some of the people who could be the strongest defenders of our nation's institutions are shrugging. joining me this hour, reuters white house correspondent jeff mason, washington post congressional reporter erica warner, and former acting cia director and msnbc national security analyst john mclaughlin. thank you all for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. this has been, john mclaughlin, i want to start with you, an

incredibly complicated story with a lot of threads and a lot of people arguing about the minutiae and details of this. but in the big picture this seems like a potentially very significant turning point for our government and our trust in its institutions from an intelligence community perspective, what does this -- how this has unfolded, what does it mean? >> it's a really big deal, kasie. it's in a fundamental way how we manage ourselves. it's how we manage secret organizations like fbi, cia, other intelligence organizations in an open and free society. that's what it's about. that's the bigger picture. >> are you surprised it's the republicans casting this doubt? it's a reversal of the narrative in recent decades. >> i am surprised. the other bigger part of this story is that none of this needed to happen. if someone like me who's been overseen by intelligence committees for 30 years and

watched them operate the last ten, if someone had a problem like the one described in this memo, the way to deal with it is to go to the judge who heard this warrant request, write to the i.g. of the justice department, and to the attorney general. that's the way it's always been done. and the only thing that's wrong with breaking from that precedent -- because as you say, people can get all caught up in process here. >> yes. you're saying that there is a remedy already in the process for that. >> there is a remedy. and by breaking from it, it has turned what was intended to be a nonpartisan issue into a highly partisan issue on issues of national security and that affect the american people. it's a big deal. >> jeff mason, there's been a lot of discussion about just how involved the white house was or wasn't in the crafting of this. it seems clear that there were at least people in the white house if not the president

himself who wanted this out there because of the impact it was going to have on the russia investigation despite what congressional republicans trey gowdy say. >> he wanted it out there, he gave the thumbs up to the committee to release it. in his tweet that you played at the top of your show from saturday, the outcome, the way he sees it, is exactly what he what he was looking for. he sees this as vindication. despite the fact the investigation is still going on, robert mueller is still proceeding with his probe, and there are still investigations going on in congress. but this was for him a smoking gun of some kind, and he wanted it out. >> erica, paul ryan, we'll talk more about him in a minute, but there is a democratic memo that purports to kind of tell a different story here, that we think the committee is going to vote on on monday to potentially release that. what's, from your reporting, going on behind the scenes in congress to push back what we've

seen so far from republicans? >> well, i think as you were starting to say, paul ryan has said publicly that he wants that democratic memo out. and i think it's inevitable that it will come out. what's been interesting is that there is a divide among republicans in how they are talking about this memo. trey gowdy, as the clip you played indicated and the speaker ryan himself continue to say, that they support robert mueller and that this memo does not undermine the credibility of mueller's investigation. but the comments from devin nunes himself and from other republicans, both on the intel committee and those who aren't, clearly suggest that this memo does undermine the mueller investigation. >> i don't want to cut you off. i want you to pickup that thought. i want to show viewers i asked paul ryan about this memo before it was released. let's take a look. >> mr. speaker, do you really believe that this memo has nothing at all to do and no impact on --

>> what i'm trying to say is people should not draw lines. people should not implicate -- >> you are drawing lines. >> that's what i'm suggesting. people should not be drawing lines, people should not be implicating independent issues. this does not implicate the mueller investigation, this does not implicate the dag. this is about us holding the system accountable and reviewing whether or not fisa abuses occur. the government has been given extraordinary power over citizens' civil liberties. it is our job to make sure that the process is followed properly. >> and earlier we were talking about the tweet from the president in which he said that the memo, quote, totally vind indicates him in the russia probe. we realized it's not the first time the president has prematurely claimed vindication after james comey testified before the senate intelligence committee in june, the president tweeted that his testimony proved, quote, total and complete vindication. here's what comey said during that hearing about whether or not the president obstructed justice by asking him to drop

the investigation into michael flynn. >> i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation i had with the president was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning. but that's a conclusion i'm sure the special counsel will work towards to try and understand what the intention was there and whether that's an offense. >> and then there was the president's claim that president obama had his wires tapped during the 2016 campaign. after devin nunes came out last march and revealed that members of the trump transition team had their communications swept up in legal surveillance. the president again claimed vindication. >> mr. president, do you feel vindicated by chairman nunes? >> i somewhat do, i must tell you i somewhat do. i very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found. but i somewhat do. >> and, of course, both james comey and nsa chief mike rogers testified they never saw any

evidence to support the president's wiretapping claim. so, erica, i'm kind of hung up on this. paul ryan was a key force in this memo coming out. i think it's safe to say that this would not have come out without his kind of blessing and work behind the scenes. >> absolutely. >> i was a little bit surprised by that having covered ryan so long. considering he's out there saying this has absolutely nothing at all to do with the mueller investigation, it shouldn't cast any doubt when in reality that is how the president himself is viewing it. that's how thousands of americans are looking at this. >> right, yeah. i agree that ryan's position is a little bit contradictory. and despite what he says, as you're saying, clearly the memo coming out is affecting the public view of law enforcement at large, and therefore of the mueller investigation. and the result inevitably will be that when mueller comes out with his findings there will be substantial doubt about them. >> i think ryan bears really a large responsibility for this. think about it. this is a select committee,

meaning he chooses the members. he's annex owe -- an ex-officio member. he's on shaky ground. >> you pointed out people were drawing lines. he said they shouldn't be. that message hasn't reached the white house. you can see clearly from the way the president is reacting. he's drawing lines. >> i was going to ask you, jeff, what do we know about any communication that might be happening between the speaker and the president about this? i pushed the speaker on it and haven't gotten very far. from your reporting do you know anything? >> i don't have anything to add to that either. i'm sure there is something there. if we can get some questions answered about t it would be interesting to find out. >> i think the interplay between devin nunes and trey gowdy. they were on the same page. i want to touch on another piece of information we have

now. the "wall street journal" reports carter page was on the radar of u.s. counter intelligence since at least 2013, and now there is this. time magazine reports it's obtained a letter from august 2013 which -- in which page apparently touted being an informal advisor to the kremlin. in the letter page writes, quote, over the past half year, i have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the kremlin in preparation for their presidency of the g-20 summit next month where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda. according to time, carter page told the megaseagazine after th nunes memo was released the first nine months of 2013 he sat in on and contributed to a few round table discussions with people from around the world. saying that they were really plain vanilla stuff. page goes on to ask time, quote, does that make me an evil villain as some of your sources would like to have you think? it is important to note page has not been charged with any

crimes. john mclaughlin, can you just explain to our viewers who are not as familiar as you are with the cultivation of sources and methods, et cetera? what about carter page would land him on the radar for the cia, for the fbi, for the people that were looking at him all the way back at this point? i mean, he clearly had business dealings with russia. caught up in a lot of energy money. >> yeah. >> it seems. what do you as an intelligence operative see there? >> when you're recruiting a source to be an agent, to be a spy, there's about five steps you go through. you spot. you assess. you develop. you recruit. and then they report. i would say they spotted carter page quite early here. they assessed him as someone who had relations with the energy business in this country, and russia is all about energy. and you also invest in a source. you don't know quite where that's going to go, but you say maybe in the future this person might be useful to us in some way. i think with carter page they

got at least through spot, assess, and they were in the middle of develop, that stage, where develop is basically establish a relationship, begin to provide favors, seek some things in return. and you may recall that i think it was in 2015 that carter page more or less acknowledged that he had been in touch with an intelligence operative from russia and actually provided some help to the fbi. so, there's a lot of reasons why carter page would get on the fbi's screen for a counter intelligence purpose. >> right. so, jeff mason, the larger point here. the fisa warrant we're talking about is against carter page. it's issued in october of 2016, close to the presidential election. the reality is there are other reasons why u.s. intelligence, the fbi might be looking at carter page that have nothing to do with the president. >> absolutely. and dating back for a few years before then. so, he was clearly on the fbi's radar for sometime, and for a good reason, because of the ties that he apparently had.

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it really underscores just how partisan mr. nunes has been. he has abused the office of the chairmanship of hpse. i don't say that lightly. i think over the past year he has demonstrated he has engaged in these tactics purely to defend -- >> has he brought up a legitimate issue? >> he put out publicly one side and a very selective cherry-picked memo. >> that was john brennan on "meet the press" talking about what he sees as the partisan motivations of devin nunes. joining me to talk about all this, republican congressman chris collins of new york who was the first member of congress to endorse then candidate trump for president. congressman, thanks very much for being here. i really appreciate it. >> kasie, it's always good to be with you. >> first and foremost, the house intelligence committee is set to consider a democratic memo on this topic. do you believe that the democratic memo in the interest of transparency should be

released? >> oh, absolutely. and we're going to follow the same process for releasing their memo that we used to release devin nunes's memo. in other words, all of us next week will have an opportunity to review the memo in the skiff, in the basement of the capital, at which point in time we would then vote to move that to be released and i suspect the president again would have five days to concur or not. i suspect he will. we're all about transparency, and we're following the same procedure on releasing the democrat memo that we did our own memo. >> are you convinced that the president is going to be willing to declassify this memo the same way he declassified the republican memo? and would you urge him to do that? >> i would certainly urge him to do that. i can't speak for the president, but i believe all of us do believe in transparency. and i should point out oversight of the administration is something, main job in a

democracy that we take. and as oversight of the d.o.j., oversight of the fbi, the cia, but also all the other departments, from hhs to department of commerce, the fda and so forth, and this is what makes america special, is that we do have congress having oversight of all these agencies, asking the tough questions, demanding answers, and that's in this case what happened in discovering what's obviously a political bias and abuse by the d.o.j. and the fbi and it's something we should take very seriously. >> congressman, do you believe that the fbi was trying to help hillary clinton when they issued this fisa warrant? >> well, i can't speak -- >> or when they asked for it? >> i can't speak for what they were trying to do. the fact is they used a salacious and unverified report. the case that's important here, kasie, is they did not disclose to the judge that that was the basis of some of this

information to get a fisa warrant. >> democrats say that's not the case. there is contradictory reporting about whether that fundamental claim in the nunes memo is true. my question is do you believe that the fbi is biased in favor of hillary clinton or was biased in favor of hillary clinton when they asked for this warrant? >> i won't say the entire fbi, but i will say certain officials at the fbi. i don't think it's any surprise that mccabe resigned abruptly a week ago. he was front and center in this -- mccabe himself is the one that stated they would not have been able to get the warrant without using the salacious and unverified opposition research report, and then lo and behold, he sees the memo and he resigns abruptly. so, i do believe, kasie, there was bias at the highest levels of the fbi. >> do you agree with the president that this memo vindicates him from any probe of potential collusion with russia or obstruction of justice? >> no, i really think this memo

speaks to our oversight of the department of justice and the fbi. what we believe was political bias. and when it comes to spying on americans, there's got to be a line that we draw. and i would agree with trey gowdy, this really doesn't have anything directly to do with the mueller investigation of russia. we're going to let that play its own course over the next month or so. i think it is winding down. this was oversight, which is the intelligence committee's job, oversight of the fbi and the d.o.j. that's what this memo is about and the democrats are certainly going to have their opportunity in releasing their memo to disagree and we'll let americans make their own minds up. >> some of your republican colleagues have drawn this connection. you would say that you're in the camp with trey gowdy and speaker ryan in saying you don't believe this memo has any bearing whatsoever on mueller's investigation? >> that's correct. i think they are two stand alone issues. but when you do see apparent bias, direct bias in the d.o.j. and the fbi, that is of concern

to all of us, especially with something as important as spying on americans, big brother eavesdropping on your phone conversations. so, i don't want to mix the two issues and overstate in this case the repercussions of the memo memo and taken down another path. this is a stand-alone issue speaking of our oversight of the d.o.j. and the fbi. >> should americans trust the feder federal bureau federal bureau of investigation? do you trust them? >> overall i do, but i have to say it's very disturbing to see folks like mccabe who did resign abruptly abusing what i believe, abusing his authority. and i think we're going to have to have the fbi take a look at themselves and just be a little more certain in crossing the ts and dotting the is especially in a fisa court that the information given to the judge has been verified and any and all aspects of where it came

from would be disclosed to the judge. so the judge who is making this decision to spy on an american is doing so with all of the information fully disclosed. and i do think that will be a positive outcome of this memo being released in the future. >> and you don't see any danger there's one person who has stepped down, written an opinion column saying that he has stepped down from the fbi because it's essentially being attacked and that's bad for the country. do you see any danger along those lines? >> no, this isn't an attack. it is oversight. and clearly someone who has been, you know, found out to be having this kind of bias is going to say what they can to defend themselves. but this is direct oversight by congress. it is our job. it's what makes america great. again, whether it's the d.o.j. or fbi and medicare and medicaid folks, we keep an eye. we ask tough questions. we try to get to the bottom of things. make sure things are being done

properly, taxpayer dollars spent correctly. in this case, spying on american citizens has to be something we take extraordinarily seriously. >> congressman chris collins, thanks very much for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> good to be with you, kasie. >> just ahead, republicans hope their historic middle class tax reform will help them hold the house and the senate in the midterms. speaker ryan tried to explain how well it's working over the weekend on twitter writing, quote, a secretary at a public high school in lancaster, pennsylvania said she was pleasantly surprised. her pay went up $1.50 a week. she said that will more than cover her costco membership for a year. that tweet apparently did not age well. a couple hours later it was deleted. states of play up next. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything

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given there are a lot of people resigning or not seeking reelection, could you comment on the joy factor and how you can make it a better place to work? >> joy would not be one of the top ten words i would use to describe it. >> that was chairman of the house armed services committee mac thornberry talking about the

joy in congress, or lack thereof. those comments after congressman trey gowdy became the 9th gop committee chair to decide to leave the congress after this term. gowdy's announcement means the total number of gop house members either retiring, resigning or running for higher office now stands at 37. but now some trend lines seem to be improving for republicans. a generic congressional ballot from monday mouth university had democrats ahead 15 points back in december, but a poll released last week has republicans down just two. the gop retreat in west virginia, i spoke with congressman steve stivers of ohio. the chair of the national republican committee. and i asked him about his party's chances of holding the house in 2018. >> well, i feel good about our chances to hold the house because we have the right candidates and we have the right message. so, i feel really good about our chances. things are getting better. general ballot is getting better

because people are understanding that tax reform is going to make a difference for them. it's starting to work. >> you're fighting history. >> we clearly are fighting history on average. the party loses somewhere between 29 and 43 seats. if we were going to let history decide and look backwards, we would lose the majority. but we get a chance to make our own history and we did that by reforming the tax code, growing the economy, giving people hope and opportunity. 3 million people have already gotten bonuses as a result of the tax reform. people are starting to understand tax reform is going to help the overall economy but it's going to help them individually, kasie. >> this president is incredibly polarizing. there are some places he could go and it would help you enormously. what are some places where the president could help your cause? >> the president, i think, can help us almost anywhere because -- >> there are clearly exception s to that. >> true, but we know how to use the president. let me give you an example.

georgia 6 is a place that the president only won by one point. we used the president there and we won by almost four points because we understood how to use the president to motivate our base. democrats are already excited. democrats are going to use the president to get democrats excited. but we need to use the president to get republicans excited. so, we know how to do that. we have a history of doing it. we got outspent by $10 million in georgia 6 and still won by bigger amount than the president won in the general election 2016. so, i think we know how to use the president. that's why we're 5-0 in special elections right now. >> one area where it's pretty tough to send the president is some suburbs, places like outside of philadelphia, perhaps outside of columbus, ohio. where is the president unhelpful and would you say to those members that potentially want to run against him and say, i don't stand with the president, to go ahead and do that? >> well, i never tell members what to do in their districts. they know their districts better than i do. >> so if they have to attack the president, go ahead?

>> but the president can be helpful to motivate our base he everywhere in the country including places where he might not be completely popular. there are people he can motivate in those places. so, it's about making sure that our voters come out and are motivated. there is a way to use the president almost everywhere. >> joining me now to talk more about this, house editor for the cook political report, dave wasser man. dave, thanks for being here. let's start with the big picture here. is it actually the case that the gap between democrats and republicans overall is currently tightening? and what do you see as the point on which this hinges? where is the point where democrats could potentially win back the house? >> there is no doubt it's closed in the past couple months. i think it's a product of the economy doing pretty well overall, but not this past friday. but i think the threshold is about 6%. >> okay. >> if democrats have a 6% lead on the generic ballot, i think they have a pretty good chance at taking back the house.

but that's probably the over/under. >> what in your view, and from people that you've talked to, is the game plan? do rub cans feel right now like they're more likely to lose and how do they try and narrow that gap? >> republicans i've talked to, even in-house leadership, admit that if the election were held, you know, next week, they would probably lose the house. and the key for them is going to be, number one, a strong economy going forward which i think is not exactly in their control. opposition research against democrats, and let's face it, a lot of these candidates on the democratic side are first timers. using nancy pelosi as they did in georgia 6 district, and national security. the real test will be enter 13 in pennsylvania's 18th district where we have a special election in the district trump won by 19 points. >> basically the trump swing area, right? >> right. and trump went there to campaign to stivers' point. if democrats managed to pull an

upset, that would say republicans are in trouble even in districts where trump is popular. >> erica, what is in your view the line here? stivers was essentially saying, look, if we don't turnout our base for our candidates, we're lost. but there are places where, if you go to chester county where i'm from originally, and say, i love president trump, it's not going to get you very far necessarily. >> right. yeah, there are definitely areas of the country as you were asking stivers about, though he didn't quite want to acknowledge it, where republican candidate is not going to want to talk a lot about trump and is going to deflect that issue. and some of those areas are places where there are a lot of contested seats. california, for example. there are a lot of seats where the parties are contesting. and even in the most republican areas of california, trump is not immensely popular as he is in other states, you know, redder states. >> sure. >> so, those republicans are going to want to talk more about

nancy pelosi. stivers said that she's one of their weapons, and that's the case. we're seeing that in the pennsylvania special election. the republicans are running ads, trying to tie the candidate there, connor lamb to nancy pelosi and he's trying to distance himself from nancy pelosi. so there are similar dynamics there with republicans and trump and democrats and pelosi. >> jeff, do you think that there is a sense that the president is awa aware of his own impact on these election s? day to day, whether it's the tweets, any one of a number of things he might do in a day, and potentially what the implications are. does he understand if democrats take back the white house what that actually is going to mean especially in the context of all these other things we've been talking about? >> yes and no. i think that there is an understanding about the fact that in some ways he can be very valuable on the campaign trail, but in some areas of the country he's not. i had an interview with vice-president pence when he was in israel a couple weeks ago, and he's planning, i think, on

being out on the trail a lot. what i heard from another white house official is that the president will do a lot of political travel, but it will be more of some of those big rallies that he really excels at. so, i think it will be interesting to see how they sort of strategically put one person, be it pence, be it the president in areas of the country during this reelection. >> dave, i mean, if you are a suburban republican, how do you walk this line? >> well, i think you have to localize your race. what we mean by that is beating the crap out of your opponent. >> straight talk. >> it's really impossible, i think, to deflect the national environment and the level of anger among the democratic base. they're going to turnout no matter what. you need something to motivate your base. you need a reason for those few voters in the middle who are really nonid-ideal logical. >> you mentioned opposition research, you alluded to it when

you said beat the crap out of your opponent. the one thing i'm interested in, i'm curious what your take is, one complaint a lot of my sources that i talk to every day have about this trump media environment is that their opo hits seem to evaporate into thin air. is there a new standard in trump's america for what is a successful opposition -- is that a thing any more? >> look, the rules that did not seem to apply to donald trump -- look, i still think they apply -- >> the laws of political do apply to house candidates? >> yes. we're seeing in pennsylvania, for example, democrats may not be able to use donald trump against them, but they can use legislature in harrisburg on unions, for example. >> sure. >> there are specific ways democrats are making those cases. >> dave wasser man, thank you very much for your insight and wisdom tonight. kasie d.c. will be back right after this. sometimes a cough gets in the way of a good night's sleep.

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back with us is former acting cia director, msnbc national analyst john mclaughlin. john, i want to ask you, i was fascinated with what you were talking about earlier how spies essentially work. one of the key arguments in this memo is that christopher steele had accomplice cpolitical motiv doing what he did, coming up with this information, that wasn't disclosed to the fisa court in the view of republicans.

how does the fbi go about gathering information like this for a warrant? would they be used to dealing with relatively, you know, shady characters, so to speak, as they try to figure out and solve these case s? how would they view steele as a credible or not credible person in this kind of context? >> yeah, they're accustomed to this and very frequently i used to sign these warrants and they're big thick things. sometimes i would sign them if they had a foreign intelligence to mentio dimension. >> okay. >> you use a lot of information. it may be of varying reliability. that's why you use a lot of it. you're stritrying to figure out this information we have is of concern. we want to do this collection in order to find out if we should be concerned. is it real? it's entirely possible as a result of a warrant, granted, that the collection may show, no, this isn't what we thought it was. so, one of the ironies here is,

i think carter page is pretty much solved as an issue. but the warrant could, you know, in the end -- these warrants can show that, well, there is not as much there as we thought. that's something the republicans are missing in all of this. the warrant is isn't because you're absolutely sure someone is guilty. it's because you have enough probable cause to examine it to find out. and as we often said in my old business, you know, when you're looking for terrorists, you don't look for -- you don't consult mother theresa. you've got to look -- you've got to talk to people who have some credibility in that world and, you know, whatever political views steele might have had, he seems to have been motivated by a lot of other things, as human beings always are, complex motives. and also as you know, the democrats dispute the degree to which -- >> it was withheld? >> it was withheld. i think in the end the whole

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republican congressman bryan mast in the upcoming election. democratic candidate lauren bear served as a senior policy desires to secretaries clinton and kerry in the state department. >> thank you for having me, kasie. >> i want to ask you broadly why did you decide to get involved in politics now? is this something you thought about doing? clearly you played a role on hillary clinton's campaign. so you've been involved but public policy. what is it about this moment in time that had you decide you wanted to make a run? >> i never actually played a role in hillary clinton's company. i was in the world of policy not politics. i spent sex years as an official in the state department, but i had a daughter who was born two weeks before donald trump was elected president. and i think just about every day about her future and my responsibility to create the kind of world i want her to live n. i'm inspired also by my mother who's been chronically ill for more than two decades

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>> would you want nancy pelosi to come campaign for you? >> when it comes to anyone, the question is do that i share my values? are they standing -- >> does she? >> i think broadly the democratic party does twloms any particular strategic decision about who might smout on the campaign trail, that's a decision to be made at a particular point in time. for me i'm a proud member. democrat democratic party, who's there for everyone regardless of who they are or whether where we their parents might have come from. my kwrn is that we have republican leadership which seems to be interested in just the select few. >> bernie sanders muntd strong challenge for hillary clinton for the democratic nomination 2016, and he did it by running on ideas such as medicare for all. you a supportive of that as a policy? >> what we need to do is shore up the affordable care act. we have a health care law on the

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i actually don't think it has any impact on the russia probe for this reason. >> this memo has, frankly, nothing at all to do with the special counsel. >> so you don't agree with president trump what he says this vind indicates him in the entire investigation? >> i don't. >> the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at trump tower. the dossier has nothing to do with an e-mail sent by cambridge analytica. the dossier really has nothing to do with george papadopoulos' meeting in great britain. there's going to be a russia probe even without a dossier. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c."

we begin that hour reflecting on a major national holiday. groundhog day. it is a theme playing out as we head into another monday morning. another week with the president undermining the mueller investigation calling it a witch-hunt on twitter. another week with top officials in the state department and the fbi headed for the exits. another week without a fix for daca, and another week with congress teetering on the verge of a government shutdown. but since the memo's release, that has consumed the political news world. this has been cold water and hot takes all over the place and it can be hard to keep up with the latest reporting. first on disclosure, the memo's central argument is this. quote, while the fisa application ride on steele's past record of incredible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-trump financial and ideological motivations. but one official tells "the washington post" that the justice department made, quote, ample disclosure of relevant

material facts. and a person familiar with the matter told "the wall street journal" that the application did disclose steele collected information in the dossier while being paid by a law firm working for, quote, a major political party. that person also said that redacting names and organizations not under surveillance is a common practice for government filings in its design to protect privacy. let's focus on the rnlz. the warrant was right hand three times. at least two of those was appointed by a justice official. four separate federal judges approved surveillance on carter page, "the wall street journal" reports all those judges were appointed by republican presidents. and third, those renewal rules, fisa warrants need to be reauthorized every-0 days. each time they must show new

information was obtained to merit a renewal. as far as we know, the fbi was able to show the fisa court they had found new information. not information from the dossier. three separate times. politico magazine said, noshing the fact that the order was renewed means the original poison of the steele memorandum didn't taint the reannuals. joining me now is the nike nemly. congressional reporter sung min kim. you do put the memo in memoly. you have spent many hours poring through this and talking to sources on the committee.

what do you think is the central thing at this stage we should be focussing on. >> what's interesting is this is as much a political discussion as much as the justice department investigation. we have one party really fighting this with one arm tied behind its back because chairman nunes was able to put out his memo. it's now in the public space. democrats have written their own response memo here. we're expecting them to vote in the house intelligence committee monday night whether to make that available to go through same process with the nunes memo. >> they'll vote to do that? >> they will. the big question is will president trump declassify it? ultimately the president is the only one that can declassify the memo and put it out in public. i don't know if we're going to see that. there's a complicated legislative procedure where there's still a way to get it out there. it's a bit of schoolhouse rock.

we're learning a lot this week. >> about how it becomes law? >> yeah. one of the things is the agree to which the white house have had to learn this procedure on the fly. the white house was saying we're definitely going to release it and having conversations about we need to answer these key questions. it's something still unfolding. >> what do you think? declassify or not? >> it's precarious to make a prediction about what this president will do under any circumstance. >> fair point. >> it certainly makes it difficult for him to go on making his case that it's an exoneration if you're not able to see the other side of it. in a sense, what you're seeing from those "journal", the po"post" and others, there's another way to get this information out. the old-fashioned way. it just leaking. you're starting to see it come out. so it gets out in one form or another because there's a lot of people in the intelligence

community and the fbi and on the hill who want this out. so there's a way to get it out. yeah, i wouldn't put any money on this president doing one thing one way or the other. >> talk about the house speaker's role in all of this. he said this democratic memo should be out there. if the president were to say i'm not declassifying this, it would be the speaker's call at the end of the day to force this out. >> and he has a role to play. he's not the only one of the republicans i want to point out. when reporters and republicans were at the retreat, john thune said not only should the democratic memo release the senate intelligence chairman should have probably had a chance to look at it, which he did not. i think how the speaker navigates this in the coming week, particularly with the increased pressure coming from democrats on the president to get this other memo released.

we saw a letter from chuck schumer this morning stressing that point. the speaker's going to have a critical role to play here. >> let's bring in denny heck of washington, a member of the house intelligence committee. congressman heck, thank you very much for your time tonight. i really appreciate you being here. with you walk us through what you anticipate will be the next steps for the house intelligence committee around the memo that the democrats have written? >> i'm fully expecting, kasie, we'll take it up at our business meeting tomorrow when the house select committee on intelligence convenes. we have already been in the process of subjecting the democratic memo to a review by the department of justice and fbi because we think there's the correct thing to do. then we will take a vote on it, whether it is redacted or not. and i'm hopeful and cautiously optimistic that the majority party will join us in voting to declassify this material. >> how do you view how the

republicans handled releasing the memo? do you feel they should have waited? in some ways they have a point you didn't pull this together until much farther down the line, the memo had been pretty much finished. >> right because we didn't have much notice, kasie. let's be clear about this. i think the republican memo has been revealed broadly and deeply for exactly what it is, which is as a political document whose sole purpose is to frame the fbi for doing their job. we know that memo is politically motivated in every regard, and we know this because, for example, when we asked chairman nunes whether he or any of his staff members had coordinated with any parties at the white house to develop and write the memo, he refused to answer. and we know it's politically motivated because when we brought forth our democratic memo and asked them to wait for the release of their memo until ours could be released, they said no without being able to answer the question what harm

would be done by waiting a few more days? they had no answer to that either, kasie. >> congressman, what can you tell us content of the memo? i get the sense that the focus is likely to be on this question of whether or not the fisa court had additional information besides the steele dossier in its decision making process? >> it's a point by-point refutation of the propaganda talking points in the republican memo. but the truth of the matter is, the republican memo argues with itself as well because their basic assertion is disproved in their own information. and we take that a step farther. look, kasie, there were a lot of questions raised about the russian investigation this week, none of which we're talking about, namely, why did the president let monday go by without complementing timplemen

sanction on russia that passed 517-5? why won't the president sit down with director mueller and answer his questions as he once promised to do? why isn't the president decrying the fact that russia, as we sit here now, interfering in the next national election coming up in may according to his own national security adviser? so there were a lot of questions raised this week about russian interference, none of which have anything to do with the republican memo, which, again, seeks to deceive and deflect and distract people from the central issues. >> what do you say to the house speaker paul ryan who has urged his conference not to make connections here between this memo and the mueller investigation? do you have any concerns about abuse of fisa power? >> i have considerable concerns about abuse of power by the white house who has sought to politicize both our national law

enforcement agency and the politicizization of declassified material. that's wring the abuse of power comes into play of late. >> denny heck, thank you very much for your time. i'm sure i'll be seeing you on capitol hill this week. really appreciate it. >> thank you, kasie. circling back to our panel. what do you make of the democratic memo will be a point by point refutation? the broad picture is that the committee seems to have devolved completely to partisan infighting. >> it's remarkable what has happened. this has been the most bipartisan committees in the congress. it has to be that way. this is an important panel that provides oversight of the most important secrets this country has. it needs to be done in a bipartisan way. we've seen from democrats we've now open pandora's box where any member of congress can selectively cherry pick from

intelligence they have and produce a memo that is essentially a political document. that's never been seen before. >> it is quite stored to see this with the intelligence community. if this were the house oversight committee -- >> that's their job. >> that's been going on forever. even with chaffetz and leading to benghazi. intelligence was different precisely because it was so serious. even in this case, this may turn out to be wrong, but it appears not so much that anybody's suggesting there are things in the republican memo that are false. it's more that it was left so out of context that it can appear to be the opposite of what it is. and that's an extraordinary game to be playing. it's framing the fbi, yes, for doing its job, but since when is the fbi some sort of a liberal

outfit in cahoots with the democratic party? >> there's an opposite ed in "the washington post" from a member of the fbi who resigned. the fbi leans conservative. this is a place where a lot of people who may typically voted republican tend to work. and this is a reversal. are any of your sources on the hill, republicans, privately concerned about the way this has turned? >> i think there's a definite concern. you've seen that publicly turnover last several days. republican have been traditionally the party of pro-law enforcement, pro-law and order. and you've seen how these attacks against the justice department and the fbi can really work to undermine the public's credibility in these agencies. why that matters is just the practical effect. these agents, these officials, they have to go do criminal investigations. the public has to have trust in them to be able to carry out these sensitive issues in a

proper and in a way that has the public's confidence. and the more this memo issue goes on, the more it appears that -- and there's polling showing the public's confidence has been undermined here. >> this is a point we saw democrats raise in that closed-door last week when they voted to release the memo. at this point can we guarantee the cia will come to us and give us the same full-throated insight into what they're working on a given we've done? >> historically, these committees were created, in fact, because congress wanted, demanded a role. and bipartisan is supposed to a prerequisite for that. >> remember back during the george w. bush presidency, he tried to go around to avoid the intelligence communities to go to the leader of each party

because of a concern of leaks and how this was working. there was argument about whether that was justified. pretty obviously the intelligence they've been provided with they are misusing, not in a leaked way, but they're overtly misusing it in the opinion of the intelligence community and the fbi. so you can certainly see them pulling back from this and refusing to be overseeing the way they have been. >> the upshot, decline of trust in yet another american institution. coming up, avoiding a government shutdown take two. plus, i talk to senator jeff flake about those frightening moments when will the train carrying dozens of republicans crashed leaving one person dead. you're watching "kasie d.c." needles.

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as wild as that ride has been both for paul ryan and people like myself, you cannot escape the fact that the president is doing a remarkable job on the fundamentals of what being president is all about. >> another week, another push by lawmakers to avert a government shutdown. everything is normal. the last continuing resolution published budget deadline to february 8th with the promise from mitch mcconnell to discuss daca recipients known as dreamers before the program expires march 5th. on friday the president tweeted march 5th is rapidly approaching and the democrats are doing nothing about daca.

they resist, blame, complain, and you obstruct and do nothing. start pushing nancy pelosi and the dems to work out a daca fix now. and then said this later that day at the rnc winter retreat. >> our immigration situation, i think it has a chance. you know, the democrats are awol. they're missing in action. we're saying, where are they? we have a proposal, we never hear from them because i don't think they want to solve the daca problem. >> i'm joined by congressman dale kildee. thank you for being here. walk us through next week. is this going to be deja vu again? do you feel confident that leaders can at least continue on a path towards a deal on both immigration and a budget? >> we certainly could. i don't have any reason to believe that the situation has dramatically changed.

we're not much closer to a deal on daca. the president actually makes it much more difficult for us to come together when he continues to use the language that he does. let's face it. when it comes to the budget, what we're really talking about is just kicking the can down the road fror a few more weeks. we're not making progress. >> on immigration, do you think if there is a deal that can pass the senate with 60, 70 votes, like some people are talking about as a potential scenario, that democrats in the house would be able to support that kind of a fix or would there be concern, especially on the left of the party? >> i think the presumption is if we go to get 70 votes in the senate there's reasonable compromises made. we know we're not in charge. the republicans are in control of the house, the senate, and the white house. anything we get on daca or immigration is going to require us to have to balance the

interests of providing certainty for dreamers by supporting things like border security. if we get into chain migration, which is a pejorative. >> family-sponsored migration. >> dramatically impact that as the president wants to do, shut it down, or have an immigration system that is does not diversity, that's going to be a whole lot tougher. >> your state, michigan, frankly almost went for president trump or did go, excuse me, for president trump. >> i flash back all the time. >> we were watching michigan very late into the evening. but how does this play in your state the idea that republicans have essentially said, look, democrats shut down the government for illegal immigrants. how much of that is a problem for democrats in your state? >> democrats in my state support immigration reform and support

doing something about the dreamers. so do independents and republicans for that matter. what they don't like is the fact we're not really at all talking about the big economic questions that we face in this country. we're leaving american cities behind, many of them. we're having a debate about russia and a memo. we're having a debate about something that the american people have already come to a conclusion on, dreamers. 80% of the american people want us to do something about it. those conversations are crowding out the real work we're doing. and then we're putting handcuffs on government by funding government for a few weeks at a time. that's what they're frustrated by. not that we can't come to an agreement, but the fact that we can't come to agreement is keeping us from doing anything. >> do you think chuck schumer made a mistake when he led his party towards shouting down the government over daca? it is a popular issue, but you

could see the tide in the polling starting to turn and people saying wasn't fix for the dreamers and you should keep the government going? >> hindsight is 20/20. if you have a strategy, you have to stick with your strategy. you can't change midstream. >> you think that's what schumer did? >> it did not feel we went into it with a strategy we could sustain. i actually think there's some value in continually just by the actions of the republicans pointing out they can't govern. what i fear is that this uncertainty in terms of what democratic strategies seem to be between both ends of the bui building, not just democrats and republicans, house and the senate, we gave the republicans a talking point as an excuse for what has been an abysmal record. they've done one thing and i would argue with what that is, the tax bill. hasn't passed a budget or moved anything on the big issues that the president ran on.

he keeps talking about his infrastructure package. >> we have not seen that. >> where is it? >> that's fair. he tried to talk about it in the state of the union. is there anything you heard from the president from the state of the union, the infrastructure bill, were you encouraged on that? >> what i've come to know about donald trump is that words are cheap. actions speak louder than words. he's able to say anything. he talks about his infrastructure plan and it's really -- i heard one interview he said it's really doing well. where? i mean, we haven't even seen it. there's no ink dry on this thing. it's frustrating. i didn't really hear anything in the state of the union that gave me any reason to the credentialed except that because he read the speech in a sort of monotone, he didn't come off with the normal bombast that we've been accustomed to.

>> nancy pelosi and her potential impact on the midterm elections and her role as a leader in your party, do you think she is potentially something that republicans can use against democrats? and should she consider setting up aside for new leadership in the party? >> we have to make those decisions every two years after the elections. i think it's a real mistake for democrats who may have differences with leader pelosi to try to undermine her ability to lead us right now. she's the elected leader of democrats in the house. we make those decisions every two years. i don't think any of us should prejudge what that decision might be in november of 2018, but it's a mistake, i think, even for those who might have differences that when you elected somebody, you stand with them. >> congressman kildee, thank you for coming in tonight. appreciate it. still to come, we're going to talk about local newspapers

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we were doing batting practice and all of a sudden we heard shots. it was clear pretty quickly that there was a shooter there with a high-powered rifle. and many of us dove in the dugout. steve scalise was hit in the hip. >> i got out there first and then brad, a member from ohio, came out. he's a doctor. >> i saw that he was down. and then i went out after they subdued the shooter. he was very brave. he's under care right now. i assume he's in surgery right now. >> that was senator jeff flake and congressman bran win strop after steve scalise was shot. fast forward to wednesday and the two lawmakers were, again, side by side after a train

carrying republican lawmakers crashed into a garbage truck, killing one of the truck's passengers and leaving two others injured. i spoke to senator flake in the immediate aftermath of the accident. here's what they had to say about their latest brush with tragedy. >> i worked my way back to about ten cars back where it was parallel to the accident and climbed off. brad win strop and dr. cassidy were also off. they were working on the man, the deceased, cpr was performed for a long time but it didn't work. and then the other person was severely injured. >> this group of doctors here and other members of congress, house, and senate worked together as a team with the emergency medical team that came in to do everything we could for these people at a terrible time.

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chartered train carrying dozens of republican legislators collided with a garbage truck. joining me is dr. marshall. you tried to save life of the driver of this truck after the accident. can you just take us through a little bit what it was like to be on that train when the accident first happened? what were you worried about? you had to do convincing of the capital police to let you off. >> i was in the middle car sitting besides my wife, having a friendly visit. and there was kids running up and down the aisle. boy, we hit something. it was a loud thud, like a clap of thunder. it shook us and obviously we knew something was wrong. the kids went flying. my wife went flying. after we stopped, i looked around and saw the little girl who had fallen. i asked if she was okay.

by then i saw capital police scurrying everywhere. is this serious or not? i'm a military guy. my dad was chief of police. so i was watching the police take their positions. i heard the helicopter above us to make sure we were secure. >> once you were able to leave the train, talk to us a little bit about what you faced and what you tried to. >> finally i got off the train. the police grabbed us. we went down to the scene of the there was obviously two victims that were down. the first one i looked, dr. michael bridges was with that patient. dr. wenstrup was there doing cpr and tried to control an airway. i looked besides him and the other person was obviously not breathing and in bad shape. i saw the doctor trying to get an air way. i went quickly over there. i couldn't get a heartbeat, so i started cpr on him. >> give your viewers a sense of

what kind of medicine -- you have practiced in your career. is this something you encountered? >> i'm a gynecologist in private practice in rural kansas. we take care of the er. and a mass shooting as well. took me back to those days in training. >> i spoke to senator flake right after the accident. the republicans had -- the congressional baseball shooting and other things. do you feel like you and your colleagues are shaken up at all about these turns of event? >> i think these made us grow closer. when steve was shot, our wives formed a circle of prayer and love around everybody. even this situation within minutes after learning of this,

kevin mccarthy's wife was calling in making sure everybody was okay. the vice president made sure everybody was okay. reaching out to each other. [ no audio ] -- what we needed to do. you get the airway, i'll do the cardiac massage. where's the defibrillator. let's get a blanket. it made us grow closer. >> certainly a heroic effort on all your parts. sir, while i have you here, i'd like to ask you one quick question about the pressing issues facing the congress coming up this week. that's immigration. we had the senate majority leader said he'll put a compromise on the floor if you don't have a deal by thursday. where do you stand in all this. if there's an immigration bill that can pass the senate with overwhelming numbers, do you think the house speaker should put that to a vote in the house?

>> i think we'll have a bill done before they do. we're close to having one ready to go, and i want to reassure people we want long-lasting solutions. we're close to having one. we already had one come through a committee already. we spent a lot of time talking about it. what i hear from the senate, i see nothing in writing from them. i heard them praying about it, but we're ready to launch one. it will be a good, solid bill. >> congressman roger marshall. thank you for your time. for all of you who want to help, there's a gofundme page set up in memory of christopher foley who was killed in the crash. we'll tweet a link from our official "kasie d.c." twitter account. there's also an account set up for survivors. you can help their families as well. when we come back a story that's gone undercovered and the impacts on the way you and i and everyone else in america gets their news. we're back after this.

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prize in april for its reporting on the state's, poppy, crisis. other more well-known papers are not immune. the los angeles "times" has been in an upheaval of its own with its publisher suspended over sexual harassment allegations and a unionization campaign by staff and a chief hired to unify a tense newsroom. with all of that let's bring in "new york" magazine editor eric lev its. give our viewers a sense of what you have been focused on here. what do local newspapers mean to the country, to our democrat, and what are the trend lines taking us towards? >> sure. thanks for having me. so local journalism is kind of a precondition for a well-functioning democracy, particularly in a country like ours where so much power is concentrated at the state and local levels.

when people don't know what their government is doing, they can't influence their activities. they're going to stop try to. we have empirical data of studies conducted that have shown when a major regional newspaper closes down entirely, civic engagement in that area goes down. in surveys, people are less well-informed about what's going on in local politics and the functioning of their government and voter participation also takes a hit. what this does is sets off a vicious cycle. special interests can come in and bend the government to their wins and that creates public cynicism which causes people to tune out and not vote, which makes it easier for special interests to influence the government and it's a vicious cycle. and so the trend lines as far as that goes, what we have is, you know, over the last decade and a half, you have facebook and google really kind of eating up

all of the revenue that comes from advertising, which was at one point the business model, that made up our journalistic truck. revenue increased from $3 billion to around $90 billion over the same period. you have local businesses spending on advertisements in newspaper dropping from 45 billion to 13. over that same period you have 35% fewer reporters dedicated to state capitals. >> you spent your career working at newspapers that have really been able to spend time and money and energy on local issues, things that perhaps we miss in the national media. what you were reporter for those papers, what kind of work do you do that might go missing if these papers don't do better. >> i spent seven years.

i was always amazed at our ability as a smaller bureau than "the new york times" or "washington post" to be able to not only cover the big national issues, the big stories, but to dive in on issues of great importance to our local leadership. california plays a big role in the resistances. in chicago we had a lot of concern about the urban violence problems that was affecting a lot of cities right now. during the obama presidency, he was a local guy. so we had special insight. how many californians are in key positions of government? >> dana, we were talking before we started the segment. your slum appeacolumn appears i these local papers. what do you view is your ability to talk to them and why is it important? >> it's important in a sense that we are -- it's good news

for people in a national publication like "the washington post." i don't think it's good for democracy generally because of the decembermation of the staff that's occurred in these occurr places. you have to understand in a lot of these states and cities, it's one-party control. there is no check and balance. we're sort of spoiled here in washington, because there's such a heavy media presence, so many different types of entities. it doesn't exist in state capitals, in cities around the country. there's nobody to keep an eye on people. there's nobody to hold them accountable. it works well for the "washington post," the "new york times" and others. they're carrying a lot of wire copy. but that's at the expense of local coverage. >> one example is larry nassar and the jim nas tigymnastics sc.

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this completes just the fisa abuse portion of our investigation. we are in the middle of what i call phase two of our investigation, which involves other departments, specifically the state department and some of the involvement they had in this. that investigation is ongoing and we country to work toward finding answers and asking the right questions to try to get to the bottom of what exactly the state department was up to in terms of this russia investigation. i guess that ends the fisa portion of our discussion. >> he had announced in october they were going to do a joint

investigation. we're to watch what happens with the democratic memo. michael who ro -- joe biden is going to be spending a lot of times with senate candidates this year. >> interesting. let's talk a little bit to switch gears slightly. with all of this memo news,

we've barely had time to talk about capitol hill. mitch mcconnell said by thursday when government funding runs out, if they don't have a deal, he's going to ep up the floor and let the chips fall where they may. >> not great in terms of an actual deal on immigration that leader mcconnell was talking about. he's deputized kind of this second ranking members of each claimer. in the senate that includes john cornyn and dick durbin who ba barely are talking to each other these days. now we're looking at this group of -- it's increasingly getting larger or larger but about 20 or so senate -- >> this is the talking stick group. >> we also call them the girl scout cookie group, because that's been their snack of choice. thin mints has been more

popular. in the case that durbin and cornyn don't reach a deal, which doesn't look likely at this point, they've been trying to put together a very, very bare bones immigration deal, maybe a little bit on these dreamers paired with a minimal amount of border security. they don't envision this as the package that would pass the floor. but they're saying here are the outlines. mitch, put this on the floor of february 8th and then we can build on it. that's what they've been trying to come up with at this point. >> what are you watching this week? >> it's been coming up on two weeks since the last shutdown. they haven't made a whole lot of progress. the government is due to shut down on thursday and democrats

leave for their retreat on wednesday. everybody is taking this seriously. there was a huge selloff on wall street last week, lost a trillion dollars in value. this is what's been propping up the president. you've certainly heard a lot about this during the state of the union. if it turns out that we're now actually headed into bear territory, i think that changes the whole fundamental political dynamic. >> that's been the one argument they've been able to latch onto. we've talked about suddenly the president's approval rating is not tied to the economy in as draekt way. >> we keep hearing this drum beat of announcements about pay raises for businesses. he was the one who declass gifi that memo. >> that does it for us tonight

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