we're out of time, thank you to our guests, that does it for our hour, "mtp daily" starts right now. >> hi, nicole, we're trying to figure out seriously, literally, figuratively, transactionally what is going on. we're confused. >> you are? >> if it is tuesday, we can't take the president literally and that's a serious problem. >> the president seems to be once again rooting for a shut down, should we take this seriously. >> i would love to see a shut down if we don't get this taken care of. >> plus bubble bubble toil and

trouble. >> again, markets move in both directions, and they're functioning very well. >> and later treasonable doubt. >> have we arrived at such a place where we have nothing to say but the president of the united states suggests that those that do not stand or applaud his speech are guilty of treason? >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts now. >> good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. folks, we hit the point where you can't take anything this president says seriously or literally. not on immigration, russia, or the economy. we begin with the president throwing a bit of a grenade into negotiations again to keep the government from shutting down again. he repeatedly called for a shut

down if congress doesn't act to seriously toughen up immigration laws. >> if we don't change it wbl let's do a shut down and it is worth it for our country. i would love to see a shut down. if we have to shut it down because the democrats don't want safety, they don't want to take care of our military? then shut it down. we'll go with another shut down. >> i heard suggestion or seven versions of the word in case you were unclear if he just spoke haphazardly about it. barbara comstock tried to reason with the president, but he didn't have it. >> we don't need a government shutdown on this. that is bad, it was not good for either side, and we have bipartisan sport on theupport o. >> we're not getting support

from the democrats. you can say what you want. >> if you put this bill in the senate -- >> we have to get that, they're not supporting us. >> barbara comstock has to be happy that her disagreeing with the president is caught on camera, but the senate is about to vote on a deal to keep the government from shutting down tomorrow. apparently the president doesn't want to do that nonof that is what the president just demanded. did he blow up that deal? will there be a shut down tonight? who knows because we can't take him seriously or literally any more. don't take my word for it. moments after he advocated for a shut down, you knew the white house would resize things a little bit. and he insisted that he was not advocating for a shut down.

>> would he rather see a shut down or a short-term spending fix this week. >> we're not advocating for the shut down, that's the fault of the democrats not being willing to do their jobs. he wants a long term deal on immigration. he hopes they will come to the football and get those things done. >> republicans just got chuck schumer to disconnect daca from the budget, now the president put it back together. can you risk taking this sooe seriously from this white house? >> are you saying if they essentially stay out of trouble if that deadline is passed, they will not be at risk of deportation. >> they are not a priority for deportation. >> whatever the phrase priority for deporation means.

we're being told not to take him literally everywhere we look. he said he would absolutely speak with bob mueller under sa refuse the interview because he could be tried for perjury. put him before a crowd of supporters in ohio and he suggests that democrats commit treason for not applauding him. so no matter whoa you are, the message is clear, the message is clear, don't take anything he says literally. does the president's words have an impact any more? let me go to kacie hunt. you're host of kacie dc on

sundays. did the president's words have any impact any more? is there chaos on capitol hill? will it happen? or are people ignoring his words today? >> i'm going to go with the latter of the two, chuck. it is all basically just noise. they have learned the hard way, multiple times, republicans first, followed by "chuck and nancy." the president will say something publicly or in a one-on-one meeting and immediately his staff says something else. i think they need to learn to continue to function properly. there is no sense that a shut down is in the offing. you're correct that chuck schumer and democrats on the senate side have separated this out. they said they're very close to a major budget caps deal that

will set the defense budget. so it is significant that they are saying okay we're doing this without immigration -- >> but let me ask you this, why would they change their tune here if the president is sending a message that he will shut down the deal if he wants, aren't they going to say come on, democrats, grow a spine. the president is willing to shut down, why aren't you? >> i think that may be the case, but the lesson that the democrats learned is that the president came out better off politically after this weekend shut down. i don't think felt like they came out bet r for what happened. and i think the president has clearly absorbed that. he is completely flipping around this argument where democrats are saying we need to help these

kids, we're willing to take a major stand to help them. now he is saying if departments refuse to fund the border, then we should shut down. >> that means you're saying that capitol hill is treating the president like she a political pun pun pundent thatlies in the white house. >> you remember that entire public meeting back and forth across the table. everyone thought they had a deal and then it fell apart. it is very hard to figure out what is real any more up here. >> kacie hunt, trying her best to figure it out. just to clarify, any shut down would be thursday night at midnight, not tomorrow.

ly bring in my first guest on my panel. and jennifer palmeri. shane. i think the most remarkable thing is that really the president strongly advocated for a shut down on immigration and house republicans are like they're now ignoring them. >> i feel like this is not the first time they are trying to silence him. they said we don't have a reliable negotiating partner in the white house. i think this is a threat they can push out there to get his way. >> now they're like oh, shut down, push that button again. i don't think he understands that the stakes and the contours keep changing all of the time. >> just politically, people's

lives are at stake. just politically it feels as if he is not paying attention. >> we have been saying this since he started running for office, right? what he says affects his legislative agenda. getting support from republicans and democrats, but i think this is the legislate and governor in the era of trump. you have to put aside what he says and tweets and focus on the policy proposals, what is said in private meetings. >> john kelly is a more effective messenger to congress. >> i was a the a meeting with him yesterday discussing immigration. they're committed to the dreamers. he has proposed a path to citizenship. the president is frustrated and the reality is that the

democrats are not responding to her any more. they cannot sway the majority of the republican caucus in the senate. in terms of the shut down, nobody in the white house wants a shut down. we have finally detached the issue of the shut down from immigration. we want that so we can really focus on immigration. so at this point it's like let's not pay attention to him, but for the good of the country, he has three years left. >> you're making a very rational case here. but it is amazing to me that it's the same case that the republicans are making, just ignore him for right now. >> you have to be magnanimous. >> so the democrats,ly have a deeper discussion about this.

there is rough seas ahead no matter if you try to work with them or don't. >> i think you can't rely on his word. you have to know for your own ground is about what you really are willing to give up, and what you can live without. i think what democrats needed to prove in the first shut down is they could not live without daca getting addressed in some way. they established that as a baseline. i think the best that ka cocan out of this is passing cr. next week they will go back and try to pass immigration bills. there probably will not be 2018 votes for anything. eventually we'll get a bridge, and that's what democrats needed to have and they will have to smut down to get to that baseline. >> john kelly said something today about dreamers that i'm

guessing -- do we have said owe of that. i'm going to play it here. the chief of staff in a defense about those that signed up for daca and those that didn't. >> the difference between 690 and 1.8 million, were people that that come would say were too scared, and some that were 2000 l too lazy. >> he actually cares, but he is not politically correct. i don't agree with that statement -- >> the people that didn't sign up for daca would you say were concerned about giving the government their information. >> i think some people just didn't pay attention to it or do it. i have a problem with the comment saying they didn't do it because they are lazy, but --

>> they went out of the way to make that an opaque process. they made it difficult for people to refile again. and i think it really portrays a lot about how they talk behind the scenes. >> it is not good when you combine it with the chain of things like the s-hole stuff. >> yeah, it is not sympathetic. and you're trying to encourage them be part of the deal, and you say don't worry there is not a priority for deportation. would you come forward? i wouldn't in this position. >> there are dreamers that go to the hill and make a lot of noise, the majority are hard working and students. if you give them a path to citizenship, they will be very happy and take that.

>> you have to believe it is real, too. >> saying that the president's word can't be trusted is like a flashing neon sign now when we have that argument about huler. listen to the people that support the united states. >> he is not someone to be trooifled with, or that takes lightly the words of anybody who he is looking at. >> i don't want him to testify because as a lawyer, i don't want him caught in a gotcha moment when someone accuses him of lying. >> i would not let him anywhere near there. trump improvises as he goes. i think it is just a rotten idea, a perjury trap. even if mueller is not setting it up, it is a perjury trap. >> i would say that the

president ought to listen to his lawyers on that point. >> here we're talking about do you take the president seriously or literally, and his president's own lawyers don't trust him. >> yeah, he is saying i can't wait to sit down with them. his lawyers may think he doesn't have anything to hide, but they won't let him sit down with robert mueller. he may not be trying to set a perjury trap. he may be trying to just set the facts. >> i hate that we're conditioned to the president not telling the truth. we're governing around the issue that he is not a straight

shooter. >> and the question is now, what is the majority party in congress going to do about it? i think in the case of the dreamers and the cr, they will ignore him. >> look, you learn to compartmentalize. >> but where are they going to rise. >> trump is a completely different type of politician. he will say things that may not be truthful. at the end he survives if he is able to deliver in his policies and make big changes. people are frustrated with washington. >> it's all fair game there. our "threw the looking glass" is going to continue. will democrats risk a government shut down over daca. we'll look at their dilemma

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welcome back, how is this for an election strategy. if you don't like the game, let's change the rules. urging his fellow senators to not campaign or fund raise against their sitting colleagues. it seems like a plea for republican senators to avoid beating up on vulnerable democrats like say joan manchin of west virginia. it is mainly being met with s silence. especially in the age of me too. do they want to protect every member of their little exclusive club? for so many reasons this doesn't strike me as a good idea. we'll be right back. whoooo.

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welcome back, democrats are dealing with a dilemma these days. can democrats afford to obstruct the deal? and can they afford not to. what about the president's deal? joining me now is the democratic congressman chair. i had one idea of when i was going to interview you earlier today about what our topic would be, but the president is talking shut down, let me get you to react to that. >> i think the idea of a shut down is a republican nose if is a government -- we don't want to do that, we know what a shut down does. >> so revising history it was a big mistake to shut down the government? >> you have to remember also the five republicans voiting against

that bill, they could not even get a simple majority. >> but if they want to pass a bill, a bipartisan bill with democrats, it needs to incorporate principals and things that we're concerned about. i can't speak for the senate, but i can speak for the house of representatives. they have to come meet with us and the things they're looking for on that bill? >> how many democrats are vote on this house compromise tonight. >> it remains to be scene. if there are any democrats that support it. they have the overwhelming majority here in the house and the senate. they have done it before, they can do it again on their own. i this very little if any votes. >> i hear you on principals, but you're not in the majority.

they do, it is a marco rubio. this immigration deal is going to come from a republican point of view. now don't you have to go a little further under those circumstances? >> if they pass something. they made some magic in the senate on occasion. they passed a bilge a number of years ago. it was never taken up in the house of representatives. they have never taken up even a small bill to accuracy the issues of comprehensive reform. >> given what president said, he wants to reconnect the immigration bill with the funding bill, do you? >> at the end of the day, we talked about a number of things that the democrats are talking about including payments, community health centers.

and what they need to get back up on their feet. there is a number of things they have consistently talked about. i will say this as well. the issue of daca is an economics issue. it is for the health of our nation. we are not a nation that can afford to shut down our borders right now. >> lindsey graham that has been involvemented involved in these compromises, but they are saying he doesn't speak for a majority of republicans, but he believe that's no deal will happen, and the best you can hope for is a bridge, extending daca legislatively. is that where this is heading? >> building bridges is better than walls, but why do we do a bill that lasts a year when we

can do something permanently. so that is not really addressing the issues. >> is something better than nothing? >> that is again up to the republicans, they control the senate, it is time for them to lead and to stop running government from week to week and month to month and start passing real budget bills. >> would you like to see the house republicans improve, the president has a plan, would you like to see if they can pass that on their own? >> and see if they will vote on their own for that bill? >> i think they always have that

and i don't think would pass. put the bill on the floor and see which one passes. i think if that was the case, they would be the kind of the hill here. >> what do you think about the president, the guy that has to sign the daca bill. >> i think the issue is is that every day he wants to get further. the speech was supposed to be about bipartisanship. there was very litting in that speech to bring us together, it just further drove us apart. someone who i think every day

has indicated that he has no interest in working with dblgs at all quite frankly. >> does it help you work with republicans that they are ignoring his shut down call? >> i think there is a lot of things that disturb me on the, of russia and the gfgs that failed to push back on the memo memo, they're failure to pass a budget that meets the needs. and it bothers me that they have not done more. and they have failed so far to step up and meet this. >> what do you tell those in the base they don't want you to work with him at all? >> i think we have a responsibility as elected members of the house of representatives to represent our districts to the best interest

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well welcome back to "mtp daily." what goes up must come down and sometimes it goes back up again. since election day in 2016, president trump has not been shy about reminding americans that wait, now i think stocks are a

food thing when they go up, take a listen. >> it gained almost $3 trillion in value since the election on november 8th, a record. >> we created now $8 trillion worth of value just in the stock market. >> the stock market reached an all-tie high today. think of it, nobody ever talks about it. the stock market is smashing one record after another and added more than $7 trillion in new wealth since my election. you're seeing what is happening with the stock market. people are appreciating what we're doing. we broke 25,000 very substantially. i guess our new number is 30,000. >> as politico pointed out, he boasts about the stock market

every 35 minutes. touch the stove once, done touch it again. he heard the stove was hot and he kept touching it anyway. joining me now is jim cramer. did it have anything to do with wha washington? >> yes, i think first of all we had higher inflation, a weighag increase number that was too hot. and we have washington throwing so much money basically at companies that the stocks will move up to a level -- wow, jim, explain to me why my stock is so high. we have kind of a dicotomy.

>> was the president obviously, i think he found out politically how you can get burned. as you indicated the economic indicators were so good they had to sell off, there was days it was so bad the stock market had to make huge gains, right? the markets are not tied to the well-being of the country any more, right? >> yes, it can be counter intooufty. we were not really in the midst of what i regarded as an aggressive tightening cycle. >> what would a government shut down do? they're playing with a little russian roulette with the shut down of the government. we have the debt ceiling coming

up, and washington hates when they play with that. of the three issues, what could have the biggest impact on the market? >> we really hate any debt ceiling issue that makes it so that the government would even seem like it could default. we had declines about a government shut down, but nothing serious, they were buying opportunities. i have to tell you, chuck, this is not a great hand he was just dealt. >> because you're saying he has to start tightening the snumber a little bit? >> yeah, and that is going to be the neilson ratings you want if you're the president. >> final question is what about our debt issue? in the '90s, you had essentially bill clinton got talked into deficit reduction as a stock

market stiplmulus by reuben and the gang back in the day. does the federal government money collection ability, it is shrinking by the hour, is there a point where wall street doesn't like the debt the country is taking on? >> not until we see interest rates higher. they still believe the ten-year treasury is low. i wish they sold this big bond hor hoard, but not yet. not until we see the federal reserve doing five or six hikes from now. that's what they live and die by, the federal reserve. >> will we have an eagles rally on the market? in the day if the nfc won, we would see the market go up. >> i think you to go to atlanta

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loosely at campaign rallies and that's exactly what is happening. those are the types of leaks that are so treasonous that hundreds of years ago people would have been hung for those. >> you may see a series of contacts that may rise to the level of trooe season. >> they should be locked up for treason. >> can we call that treason? why not. they certainly didn't love our country much. >> i'm sure most of you watched some of those and said wait, i do belief that x is treason. we should not shrug our shoulders at the misuse of the word treason. we may not be able to take the president seriously, but we should take ourselves seriously.

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welcome back, it is time for "the lid." before i want to get to -- believe it or not, there is "20/20" news, but this treason business, the president constant joking, but it doesn't help. it doesn't help and it is just putting us down. everybody says oh yeah, here is real troeason. >> this is not the first time he said this, he said the agent that was caught up this these text messages treasonous, too. he is levying a big charge -- >> it is like he is saying you're worthy of the death penalty. >> it's not a word to be used

loosely. republicans were not treasonous when they didn't stand up to applaud barack obama, you know? so it's out of order. >> it is just getting uglier and uglier. i have to ask you about running for president in you about run for president in 2018. >> i don't know it was possible you could start running for president in 2018. >> apparently you can. this ad has been running in iowa. >> most iowans understand the concept of starting early, after all, there's a lot of work to be done. >> how do we bring our country together. how do we heal a fractured nation. >> the work starts now. >> john delaney, a member of congress, many thought he's going to be a great rising star. he says ah, forget it, i'm running for president. >> anyone can run for president.

>> trump a very successful businessman, i have a pretty good business resume, why not me? >> it's very hard when donald trump is president to tell someone that it's crazy that they can run. i think we're going to have a really big field, i think we have a really talented field. >> i think that republicans thought that their field was talented, but the guy they thought was the least talented ended up with the nomination. >> i'll tell you about tom delaney, he's starting early because people don't know who he is. but what's interesting about delaney, he is a moderate democrat. we're seeing a lot of democratic candidate who is aren't really to the left, or to the extreme left. delaney is a candidate that i think could be attractive to working americans. >> i am curious to see, there's only so many people who can target the progressive base.

michael bloomberg is -- >> really? >> will try to run as the centrist. >> i don't think you can run as a moderate in 2020. >> we need someone who cannot unite the party, but unite the country. that is what my party is going to be, i don't believe that person is john delaney. >> his mindset? >> there is, you know, i think if senator sanders runs, he's going to have a lot of support. and he may even have a plurality as time goes on. clinton won the democratic primary by a lot, right? >> really? >> and i think that the energy in her party and the bigger votes are going to be with somebody who's going to unite people. >> i keep mentioning joe biden, biden is someone who's charismatic, engages americans. >> you're thinking in swing districts, the question is in a primary, joe biden might be able

to, but joe biden couldn't without joe biden's charisma. >> he's tried before, but that was in a different time. but the question is, will they be running against donald trump in 2020. i don't know if he's the nominee or even runs again. >> john delaney says i'm running, i'll even run ads to prove it. julian castro said i have every interest in running. part of the process is figuring whether i'm going to run is going to the people and taking the temperature. >> he's figuring why not? and why not say it publicly? >> and he's saying why not take it seriously. before you would say, my gosh, it's three years out, it seems too early. but running for president of the united states is a big deal, i would like to think that people put a lot of time and thought into it. >> does this put pressure on the candidates that we all expect to run?

>> they can announce whatever they want to announce. and there's no problem to announcing, like castro. >> and biden announced very late in 2013. >> it's important for castro to ensure that people are talking about him. but that's it. >> and look, there isn't a major hispanic candidate yet, and i think some people thought luis gutierrez wanted to be. >> pennsylvania, special election. it's complicated by a lot of things. but there is a major new effort to tie pelosi to the democratic nominee, even though he said he wouldn't support her for leader again. if this works this time, jennifer palmery does that

increase democrats frustration with her and once her not to run again? >> i don't think that's the situation we're going to be facing. >> okay. >> but at some point, is there a critical -- >> i don't think there's going to be before an '18. >> all right, guys, thank you very much. up ahead, just a mannequin in a convertible in a rocket to space. nothing to see here. hey.

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in case you missed it, we have liftoff. >> three, two, one. >> i'm a huge space geek, so i love this stuff. but spacex just launched it's heavy rocket to mars. this is said to be the most important moment for space travel since the shuttle took off. riding on board the falcon heavy is this very first -- there's a dummy wearing a space suit designed by spacex, because, you know, you need a driver for that sweet, sweet, roadster, but imagine, these are live photos

you're seeing of the roadster right now, they're not riding in space in total silence. ♪ this is the life on mars >> and here's another live pic here of that roadster, in space, dummy in hafnd. i'll bet you from behind those wheels, the stars look grand tonight. the beat with ari melber starts right now. >> we have more on that as well. it's quite a day for science, so appreciate it. a day of pyrotechnics, you could say, this rocket from spacex hurtling through space. paul ryan is