good afternoon, we will start this hour with president trump's controversial comments. he tweeted this. >> after a second white house staffer in three days quitting because of allegations of domestic abuse. the washington post.

>> all of that follows the resignation of the resig nag of porter. both claiming he was emotionally and physically abusive. >> now, to kelly, is the kelly expressing these men have been falsely accused. >> reporter: he is speaking broughtly. it is easy to draw a connection because he has lost two staffers this week over allegations of domestic abuse, made by their former wives, and revealed in a background check with the fbi, contingent on their employment here. the allegations became public

through media. it was that public pressure that lead to the resignations, a lot of questions about the management and hamming of this issue in the white house. the president, leaning toward siding with those accused. say there are risks if it they are accused of something if they are not guilty, and the damage that be can caused. he is not specifically saying they are not telling the true. some allegations are true broadly speaking. it is the emphasis we see, siding with the person who is in the spotlight, accused of something, and not taking a position to even speak in general terms about the dangers and the consequences of domestic violence. not speaking out against it he has had opportunities to do that, and opted not to. when he spoke in the oval offense asked about rob porter, he praised the work he did, and

said he was innocent. both men left their jobs do say they are not guilty of the allegations made by former wives, but did resign their positions under this pressure. democrats say he stirred the conversation over the me too movement and the issue of domestic violence. >> kelly o'donnell at the white house for us. last hour ux in an msnbc exclusive, i spoke to one woman accusi accusing. >> this business of spousal abuse. it is beyond conversation to me. because, it was tolerated in my own family. my cousin's husband abused her.

my cousin's husband killed her. it is not just the groping that i endured with trump. it is a family experience that i have seen up close and personal. what spousal abuse is all about. again, as i have said before, these are not issues that women forget. these are not issues that they go, that was that. move on. they remember where they were, they remember what they were wearing, every detail of it. the guys, the men, choose not to. anyone if that is psychological, they can departmentalize their brain. what happens at home stay says at home. what happens at work, stays at work. >> potentially, because it is cultly allow and reinforced.

we are not experts on this. but that could be one of the scenarios here. i wanted to ask you, a note, she said, not once did you hear she, or as part of these conversations, the comments coming from the president. an office many look up to for guidance. >> it is hard to look up to this man as guidance. no, he consistently going back to days when he defended mike tyson. and spousal abuse then. for him, it is his track record. he does not want to address t consider it or believe it. that is how it works. >> the last hour, again, one of the 16 accusers of sexual abuse

against trump. washington post political columnist david millbank. kimberly, it is that elephant in the room. reported by our own white house krnlt, kelly o'donnell. he has opted not to bring it up, despite the obviousness of the two cases so far. why do you think the president is not addressing the elephant in the room? >> i think that is what we are seeing, in these tweets, right? a couple of things are happening with this sort of christic tweet about porter, the president himself is accused of sexual misconduct. we have seen it demonstrated. he feels almost a brotherhood with these who have been accused of something, as long as they deny t he is willing to defend

them. we saw it happen with moore, with the horrific allegations against him in his senate run. the president walked away then fully endorsing him again, saying over and over, he denied the aelgds says, you have to believe denials perhaps more than accusations. i think the fact that he is someone who is denying allegations is part of it. i think that he wants to defend the people who arecrose to him. that is part of the roy moore thing, too. he doesn't want to admit someone as close to him in the white house could be doing something so terrible. so, he chooses to believe the men. in a sense, believe the benile opposed to saying anything about the women, despite the fact that we have a photograph of one, rob porter's ex-wife showing horrific abuse.

every six seconds someone is beaten by a domestic partner in this country. the fact that the president is standing on the opposite side of that is striking. >> the president denying all of the accusations against him, as well as porter and sorrensen. if the alveses were to be true, from those 16 accusers, is he just defending himself? >> i think that kimberly made a point. he likes to be part of this team. he doesn't believe that allegations about rob porter and the other staffer, because he said it is what the allegations against him are not true. i think you are right. >> as you look at the complexion, when we have the issue of the chief of staff, his history related to this issue of gender. then you look at the president moving forward, many thought

that chief of staff, now, there are fingers pointed at him. >> it is interesting, richard. general kelly has in many ways been a stabilizing force, particularly in terms of foreign policy, military policy, keeping things in order. in this white house. as we see all along, there is no such thing as keeping order in this white house. it now appears at least in this instance, he is contributing to the problem. of course, he has a boss who acts caprishsly. today, talking about due process, the same man who had decided was being judged and juried, and decided his opponent was guilty and needed to be locked up. he would like due process, beyond due process to declare the innocence, if it is somebody that he supports, he is

innocent. if trump says he is innocent, he is innocent. when you are dealing with a chief executive like that i am not excusing general kelly at all, it is a recipe for chaos at all times. you are seeing that now. are you seeing that with the speech writer, with porter, you are seeing that. you have a lot of people in this white house who are not the usual characters in the republican and conservative establishment. they didn't want anything to do with it. now you have unvetted, folks trouble getting security clearances. >> is there a point to the president's point of due process at all? >> look, this isn't a court. if due process is an issue, it comes up in court. so people who are cop victed have a fair chance to defend themselves. it is different. when someone is coming forward

with credible evidence of domestic violence, they could not stay in their job. the fact that in this case, you have the photographic evidence like i mentioned, i don't think this is so much an issue of due process, as it is, as i said, the desire to defend people accused of something that they deny. for the president, a denial is all that is necessary for the people within his orbit, that he aligned himself with. he is using the words due process, i am not sure that is what he means here. >> all, thank you for your time today. >> fall out over the president'e decision to block the democrat rebuttable to the russian memo. does he have a double standard when it comes to trance parency.

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making. i can watch that over and over and over and over again. you know what, it happened so easily, we are attempted to say that stuff is easy. it is not. it is really, really hard. we watched history. >> it opens the door to things we can and will do in space. >> president trump will not allow the release of a house intelligence committee memo drafted by democrats in response to the republican memo. the ranking democrat on the committee defending the memo that he lead in writing in a tweet of his own here.

>> former u.s. attorney from alabama, and retired fbi special agent. >> joyce, what do you make of what happened? the president had a dlan of today. yesterday, decided to say no, we are not going to release this memo. what is next? >> the president's concerns about the memo and the release of classified information would have been a lot more convincing if he had the same concerns about the last memo, the mechanism for revealing a lot of methods and source information that shouldn't be in the public domain. this classified intelligence gathering process. they don't belong in the public

domain. once the president allowed some of that information to leak, it mean that is this back end, in the democratic memo will do less damage, there may be compelling public reasoning for letting the public know what is going on here. it is an unfortunate day we live in, when the president of the united states doesn't tamp down on the intelligence function of the justice department. >> as we look at it being politicized, the rebuttable, and the nunez memo, four pages here. when we look at it, bobby, you remember when the original memo was alleging, the fbi am abused fiza, and intelligence in the investigation. what is your response to the democratic response? more data to rebut what was claimed? >> it is impossible to tell.

i think what happens is, if we were to read this, and look at the nunez memo as a motion to supress, and it was a motion to suppress, and the answer the motion. democrats' answer to the nunez memo may address point by point, they may make additional point that is the danger in this back and forth. once the democratic memo comes out. if it has anything additional, republicans are going to want another memo of their own coming out. a principle stance, stop the silliness, in the interest of our intelligence agency being able to do their job, we won't have any more of this. i am not sure the president agrees with that. >> nunez will now, continue the investigation into potential connections, talk about the question related to this.

commented on the recent days, the memo initially from nunez was there to really potentially go after rosenstein. now we have rachael brand, now, leaving her number three position. does that concern you? >> it is concerns, rachael brand is the number three person in the justice department by all accounts, a tremendously talented woman, well-liked by the people she worked with. with rachael leaving the justice department there is a lot of uncertainty as to what would happen if rod rosenstein, currently is over seeing the investigation. recuse himself from the investigation, some say he will have to do at some point, because he is a witness. the next person in line to over

see will mueller investigation, would be the solicitor general of the united states. sessions could slide in to rachael's vasant slot. this could be someone from another position, scott pruit at emptit a, shut down the mueller investigation, prohibitting mueller from bringing additional indictments. >> big question mark there. i know you probably agree with that as we look at how politics has been working so far. when we look at the fact that rachael brand is now leaving and going to wal-mart, do you think we are closer to what they are describing? rosenstein recusing himself or

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. the white house is in damage control mode on this saturday, following a tumultious week. spousal abuse allegations by rob

porter that he denies, and speech writer david sorensen steps down. >> author of the book, "branding america." and communications director, and former press sect for terry mccall, governor. >> this is definitely the lion's den over the past week. porter and sorensen, why is the president on a saturday going deeper into the den here? >> i have to tell you, i would not have entered into that

arena. i wouldn't have tweeted about it. we are used to him diving into something, whatever he thinks. when he wakes up, when he is sitting there, he feels something, he has no filter, the twitter is good and bad. when he has a thought, there is no filter, it goes straight into public. everybody will see it. the press, and everyone. >> along with the heads, today's tweet, go back a day here. we look at it here, josh. the question about the chief of staff. general kelly here. when did he know about porter? he said today, 90 minutes later, he was terminated. he also, to some reporting, knew before that the question is, what is next for kelly? >> he has handledly poorly, there is a shifting story here, he is not telling the full truth. i don't know what the future holds for him. donald trump is unpredictable.

what it does remember us, with any organization, the tone and the structure are set at the top. donald trump loves chaos. he has been accused by more than a dozen women as being a sexual predator. there is not a surprising response to something like this. >> all discussing in this conversation deny the allegation so far. the president is saying due process is required here. a legal term. we are not in this arena right now. >> true. >> is there a point to be made here? he wants more information? it should be had? >> one of the things going back to the tweet. when he said the people that come out with the accusations destroy lives and careers, he was right. the allegations do. look at this steve wynn, finance chairman, out with those

allegations, both people out. portman, out. new guy, out. one of the things with good that came out of it is they are out. the second thing to look at, how did kelly handle it? when did he know it? you can't blame trump for this. if trump had gotten the information from kelly, when did he know? when did he know it? it is a cluster. it is a huge cluster. i think. >> we are worried about talent. this is america's white house. the best brains in the white house, to be running this country. so, the question is, when you have now a gap. you have a chief of staff that is being pointed at. in question. lost a speech writer. the question is, who will be filling in this gap? who will be the power player? >> that is part of the problem. who would fill the gap if kelly

decides to leave. if he did flub this up. if everybody thinks he flubbed it up from a point of vu, maybe he gets a mulligan. he gets a chance to do it over. are you going to hold him, everybody messes up one time in their job. >> it is not the first time. there have been issues in the past for the general, where the defense, in a certain case, where he almost had a similar strategy as the president does now. not mentioning the she in this discussion. >> speaking of the she in this discussion, going to a washington postpoll, showing approval in white women has now fallen since the president a first 100 days. >> the approval has fallen 10 points, strong disapproval up 12

points, it is an opening, for folks on the left. this doesn't include what happened in the last 24 hours. we have seen it since trump was sworn n a record number of women running for office. proo tests, people speaking up around the country. this is not something just starting with this news, it reinforces what women have been seeing about donald trump since he got into the campaign and before that republicans will have a long race ahead of them. democrats, and women specifically are enthusiastic about turning out, volting and sending a message to donald trump. what we are looking at right now, is a very good november for democrats and a bad november for the republican party and donald trump. this makes it worse. >> have a good saturday. >> an icing start for leaders at the olympic opening.

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we have politics to talk about. meeting with south korean president moon jae-n a possible thaw is what are you hearing in the headlines, it wasn't all about diplomatic overatures, cheering on the unified korean team taking on switzerland. chris, she has been -- following all the action for us, in and outside the olympics arena. not only the politics. >> the drama off the field of play is upstaging events on the field. less than 50 miles as we are from the dmc. this invitation from kim dae-jung has stepped up his charm, delivered by kim's sister, by the way. in the guest book at lunch, i

hope pyeongchang and seoul get closer in our people's hearts, and move on the process of unification. >> a wash in red, the north korean cheerleaders, waiving the unification flag. i was there, took photos, and a south korean journalist said the cheers of we are one. peace signs as well. all of the images part of what concerns the white house. that president moon is providing a forum for a brutal are you gim to play peacemaker. pence was sitting with president moon, trying to make a show of solidarity. the north cheerleaders were there as well. there is a clear defense with the north and u.s. approach.

they see it persuade him to push back the missile programs, he is open to the invitation that he got. pence, on the other end, called the north the most tiranical regime on the planet. speaking on air force 2, reinforcing again what he suggested coming into the games, that u.s. is considering the toughest economic sanctions yet against north korea. aside this divis kition, there s been a pause in the threat post by the north you expect to last at least as longsa the delegation is here, through march 'th, the end of the paraolympic game, the big question becomes afterwards,

what key decision to watch. if the u.s. and south korea hold the joint exercises they suspended, that is considered provocations. >> not only what is happening on the ice, but outside as well. thank you, chris. >> bring in more with christopher hill, former u.s. ambassador to south korea. thank you for joining us. author of out post, a dip platat work. >> it was strange for me to say, i have never said it before, unified korean team here. i don't know if you have said that either, ambassador. how real is the real here? >> there is no question that president moon jae-in was out on his skis with this.

the games lds be a headache, north korea was firing missiles all the time. president moon, frankly, did well to calm everything down. the down side, he has to host this north korean delegation. he has to make room on the hockey team, five pushed off the team. it has been tough for him. about half of south korea is not happy with this unity banter, rather than the south korean flag. he had to do this. the big surprise, of course, his being invited to how he will continue to manage the relationship with the u.s. i will say one thing about moon, he says the same thing to different people. i think it is important that he does not get carried away by

this. by all kaegsz, he has been frank with the north koreans about doing something b. their nuclear weapon aspirations. >> the u.s. and the influence on the korean peninsula, saying, i can move straight to them. >> these talks, these peninsula talks as they are called, have been talks for the two koreas to deal with family unification, issues like that i think that president moon will keep it that way. not try to stray into areas they think are essential to us. namly, security. so, i think that so far, he is managing it. now, certainly, there is implication that somehow the koreans are going go to work this on their own and not need

our help anymore. i think that is the north korean propaganda. should he deal only with him and not maintain the alliance that has been essential to his country. >> if you were watching the opening ceremony last night, on any of the nbc stations, when you see the unified team walking together, some think, there is a breakthrough here. if there were to be a breakthrough, what would it be? >> a breakthrough, some signal for the north korean, as they prepare to go back to the six party talks or whatever process, it doesn't matter if it is six or 66 parties, they need to sit down with the united states and others on the basis of getting rid of nuclear weapons, we are not seeing any sign of that for now, it has bought the safety, and you know, the good will

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with two government shutdowns behind them, congress will finally turn its attention next week to the issue that has been of the center of dysfunction, immigration. the march 5th deadline for any legislation on daca is a little more than three weeks away. but while congress mulls is over, immigration agents have been steadfast in making carrying out raids across the country. one of the more recent, a kansas professor who lived in the country for 30 years. sigh ed jamal was taken into custody as he took his daughter to school. >> former president of the immigration lawyers association betsy woodruff, the daily beast reporter, nelson acosta, former border patrol agent and author of "deep in the shadow." i'll start with you, betsy, you came out with a great piece on how officials at the i.c.e. and the reporting that you found is that they want to move into

intelligence. >> exactly. what people familiar with these conversations, including a current i.c.e. official told me is that the i.c.e. or agency is looking to become a member of the powerful intelligence community. now i.c.e. has two components. one component is responsible for arresting and detaining and undocumented immigrants. the secondhands transnational crime and counter proliferation but the second would have a position in the intelligence community. but both components of i.c.e. do raids together. they do operations together i should say. and so many civil liberties advocates are concerned if i.c.e. has a footprint in the intelligence community, that some of that intelligence could be used for immigration enforcement purposes. >> how might this fit in based on betsy's reporting? why would it make sense for i.c.e. to gain intelligence capability orz be part of the intelligence community. >> well the fact of the matter is that i.c.e. already has a very active intelligence component. it doesn't have to become part

of the intelligence community as reported. i don't think it needs to change, or -- and itself become like the fbi or dea. they have officers -- domestically and outside of the country. and i don't think it is necessary to become part of the intelligence community to continue doing their job. as far as being able to monitor or track more criminal aliens already in the united states, they have massive information and massive intelligence on counterfeit rings, all type of criminal activity. so there is nothing to worry about. but the fact of the matter is, i.c.e. can do their job. what they need to do is focus their operations and more resources in doing what they're tasked to be doing. >> is there anything to worry about, david? >> well, i have to agree with that. they need to focus resources on what they are supposed to be doing and that is keeping our country safe. keeping the interior enforcement coherent and using common sense and we're not seeing that. you mentioned at the top of --

you mentioned at top syen amed jamal and the professor in kansas. here in cleveland i represented amor afalfman. these are not the bad hock -- hombres and another man's son is dying of cancer. and the point is that i.c.e. is not doing its job. and they are going after what we call the low-hanging fruit. after moms and dads and children. they are going after people who -- who build the community, who revitalize the community -- >> don't think -- >> for them to ask -- >> if i could just say -- >> just let me finish this thought. just let me finish. for them to ask to go into the intelligence parameter, they ought to be doing their job as it is right now and it makes me nervous and a lot of other folks

for them to have access to pools of sensitive information, vast pools of sensitive information on the interior. that is scary stuff. >> quickly. >> and yes, look i worked for 30 years in immigration enforcement and i think we're very -- coherent in what we do in immigration enforcement. folks come into the united states and they violate the laws, they are subject to be arrested and that is part of the job that i.c.e. does. there is a lot of -- a lot of enforcement. >> with respect -- ipo lito, with respect, they are going after mom and dad and children and border patrol itself arrested a 10-year-old girl. rosa hernandez who had cerebral palsy. they are not going after the felons or the security risk and that is why we have such chaos in this country and the whole country is bearing witness right now. >> we're about to begin this

topic of immigration. and betty i'll get to that and then into other examples that they are bringing up here. but really this brings detail to the debate that is happening in washington, d.c. and we do expect a procedural vote on monday. and we know mitch mcconnell has promised to also bring the topic to the floor. do we expect these sorts of issues to be meted out as we discuss daca? >> candidly, it is hard to predict what congress will do on this. there is probably not an issue that divides the country more than immigration. trump became the nominee because he ran on this hard core right wing immigration platform. additionally the same folks who made up the tea party and trump's base are very adamantly opposed to daca. they refer to it as executive amnesty, breitbart is banging the drum to threaten going after republican members who try to save this program. it is not a foregone conclusion that daca will be preserved and those recipients will be protected. >> some of the stories been

shared by david and ipo lito make folks say we don't know if we'll come to a conclusion. and ipo lito, a number of folks aref -- arrested by i.c.e. while in court for instance, a houston woman filing an order of protection against her alleged abuser and taken into custody. so when you look at this -- should congress and in a sense enact safe zones to prohibit i.c.e. from staging enforcement especially at courthouses here. >> well i think that -- the immigration enforcement should be across the board. if a person violated an order or they have a deportation order they failed to adhere to and violated the order by staying in the country or committed criminal offenses and they are in the judicial system, there is a procedure and david knows where they could bond out and they are responsible for showing up for the hearings they are scheduled for. and i'll give you an example -- >> but ipo lito if i might --

>> we have 30 seconds. >> let me just finish. >> there is also something -- >> there is also called discretion. >> ipo lito. please finish. >> let me just say, there is a mischaracterization of the events such as the 77 raids that occurred in california. there were no raids. there were notices of in speks but the -- inspection but it reported there was raids throughout the state of california and that is not the kars and that information gets people riled up and that is not what is happening. >> 15 seconds, david. >> not about being riled up. this is about president trump and the republicans canceling daca for no reason laptop september and putting 800,000 young productive appearing american -- aspiring americans back in the shadows. this is what this is about. we'll see how serious the republicans are if they want to solve the problem. >> david, betsy, eepo lito.

>> let me say -- >> i run out of the time. thank you for being here and i know it is a very controversial issue. that wraps it up for us this hour here on msnbc. i'm richard lui and stay with up for updates. thank you for being with us on this saturday. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it is friday night and trump's america which once again means we've had an absolutely incredible of late breaking stories including the unexpected sudden resignation of the number three person at the department of justice, rachel brand would be the person who would oversee the mueller probe if rod rosenstein were to be remove. tonight she announced her resignation. also tonight within the last hour, within 20 minutes, in fact, president trump announcing he will not approve the release of that democratic memo a response to you the infamous devin nunes memo last week but