that's a wrap for this hour. i'm alex witt. stay where you are, it's time for "a.m. joy" with my friend joy reid. >> you want to stop a four-star general who is running the white house who believes in chain of command, who makes a decision within 40 minutes because you hate donald trump? find another scapegoat. you might want to look at the last president. good morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy" fox news revived its tried and true tactic for getting the republican president out of a jam. blame obama. they found a way to blame the former president, who did not abuse women, much less his wife and face allegations of sexual misconduct or assault. for the latest trump white house

scandal. fox's trump defense should come as no surprise the network reflects the attitude of trump himself, a long history of accusing men. including roy moore and bill o'reilly and roger ales, people's lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation, adding is there no such thing anymore as due process. trump did not share who the people are but the tweet came as two west wing aids former staff secretary rob porter and former speechwriter david sorenson resigned. both men continue to deny the allegations. joining me now to discuss how all of this is playing with republican women, general kenz. jennifer ruben of the "washington post" and former nevada state gop chair. amy, you're a first timer, i'll go to you first.

i'll play what kellyanne conway had to say to jake tapper on cnn about donald trump's tweet yesterday. take a listen. >> the president's tweet was more generic. >> about the me too movement. >> he never said the me too movement or rob porter's name. he's saying some are old, some are new, some are -- excuse me some are to use my words connecticut tecon tell rain youy those trying to conflate the two, i see democrats criticizing, let me remind them, this president is responsible for 800,000 women taking new jobs in 2017. >> amy, is that good enough for you the president didn't mention the women who allegedly were beaten by their former husbands, that he didn't mention me too or women who were abused more am general? >> he did not mention the me too movement and he is correct in

saying that we need to be careful when dealing with allegations, you can't have somebody be found guilty of public opinion or by the media, however we did find out later on these two white house staffers did indeed abuse their exwives, which is unacceptable, doesn't matter if you're democrat or republican. but yes, i do believe it was okay for the president to tweet that. >> and do you think that there should be consequences for the men in the administration who knew that particularly in the case of the former assistant secretary, that he had abused his ex-wife, meaning should john kelly face consequences over rob porter or don mcgahn, both knew about this? >> that's a very good question. from the way i understand the procedure works, the fbi does their investigation and then they take it to the local level to go out to those people who are named in the original investigation of that particular person that's being questioned and i've been questioned as

well, i have a friend who works for the department of education. and that process happened very quickly. they came to my home and asked questions and moved on. he was able to takes his post. why it took this long for the fbi and the white house attorneys to figure out if these two white house staffers who were very -- working closely with the president, if their backgrounds were decent or not, is definitely in question. so i'm not exactly sure that we need to be pointing blame at general kelly -- it seems to me general kelly once he had all of the information given to him, that he moved fairly quickly -- >> we're having some trouble with your mic, i'm let jennifer ruben in. you seem to not agree with that? >> no, don mcgahn knew this early last year. at least from last fall, general kelly knew. this is completely inadequate and the idea we should make excuses or we don't know just

encourages these people. by the way, this is a man who would make a sper yus allegation against anybody, that barack obama was not born in this country, that the fbi is out to smear him. due process is not in this president's vocabulary, except when we're talking about women who have been abused and that's because he's an abuser and doesn't want us taking women too seriously. so i think the fact that he does this and gets away with it is on republican women and on evangelicals who i spoke to this week, three groups will not criticize him and stand up for these women. they are responsible. they are enablers. >> that's a good question. it has -- the reason i wanted to have republican women on, you do have a president who bragged to howard stern about walking in on teenage girls naked. let's play that video. >> the funniest, i'll go back stage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everything else.

no men are anywhere -- i'm allowed to go in because i'm the own of the pageant and inspecting it, i'm inspecting and want to make sure. >> like a doctor -- >> is everyone okay? >> standing there with no clothes, is everybody okay? you see these incredible looking women. i sort of get away with things like that. >> this was the miss teen usa pageant and he was accused in 1989 of marital rape and later walked back allegations though put them in an affidavit in the statement in the 1993 book lost tycoon. he's been accused himself, 19 accusers of sexual misconductor harassments and he's ab ardent defender of people like roy moore and roger ails and big o'reilly. what message does that send to you? >> he's defending the constitutional right to due process, that's first. secondly, i can tell you my own

mother grew up in a home that had extreme domestic violence, very sensitive to this issue. i'm also very sensitive to the allegation jennifer ruben just made that somehow evangelical women are to blame -- >> why don't they criticize him? this is not behavior that is biblical. this is a guy who said he never asked for forgiveness but done a lot of things people think he should. why aren't they more enraged? >> i think the president is defending the due process -- >> there is no due process to work in the white house. excuse me, you don't have a constitutional right to due process to work in the white house. that is a privilege that is a high honor that is for people who are trusted with a nation secrets. due process to work in the white house? i'm sorry they serve at the president's pleasure. >> absolutely. i think the process did work here how the security clearance works in the white house, is that you let the fbi do the background work -- >> wait a second i'm surprised

it took so long to actually have this revealed? >> and then how could rob porter continue to work in a position as sensitive as he was where he could potentially handle classified information? i'm old enough to remember when republicans were screaming hillary clinton handled classified information. he was able to see and handle information with no security clearance. answer that question. on the question of due process, central park 5. donald trump wanted those boys executed. >> on first point, i agree, we have 30 to 40 people working in the white house for more than a year now. >> with no security clearance. >> including jared kushner. not going to be too popular among my republican friends for bringing that up but that's an important issue. in defense of general kelly he'll have to speak for himself. >> he seems to like to talk, yeah. >> i think that when general kelly heard of this, he did the appropriate thing -- >> heard of it last year. >> last fall and he allowed the

fbi process, the background check process to proceed as he should. that answers the question of this, that the domestic violence was a disqualifying factor here. rob porter is out of a job and so is the other man under question of domestic allegations. >> i want to get amy back in. my question is, did general kelly need the fbi to interpret that photo of rob porter's ex-wife's blackened eye for him to do the right thing? that seems like a bit of a cop-out to me? >> absolutely not. once again, from what i understand, the fbi had sent the information over to the attorneys, the attorneys then told him that the issue might be complicated and that there might be exwives who might come up with a type of scenario -- >> wait a minute. >> so rob porter obviously was very good at being charming, cunning and he was a manipulator. he lied about his background --

>> oh, yes. >> and they took him at full face. then once the picture came out within 30, 40 minutes, general kelly said clean out your desk and leave. >> let me ask you this question. if it was just rob porter, you know, general kelly knew about this last fall. seeing that photo one would think if you're a person of conscious, that photo alone would give you cause about having them stay in place. but you haven't had just rob porter. d donald trump himself multiple times accused of sexual misconduct. >> not found guilty but accused. >> steve bannon, and andrew puzder who had to withdraw as the nominee for secretary of labor and david sorenson, the speechwriter that is now gone. you have steve wynn, the finance chief of the rnc. it goes on and on and on. i guess my question to you as a woman, as a republican woman, what does it say to you your party is cultivating so many of

these men and donald trump defends them all? >> well, i don't know if he necessarily defends them all -- >> he said. >> lives are being destroyed. >> in fact. >> who's he defending? he said you need to be careful because a lot of these -- these are allegations not everyone has been found guilty. you have to be careful. >> let me ask you this question, amy, was donald trump careful when he and his friend roger stone brought the accusers of bill clinton -- something that was adjudicated into the tens of millions of dollars by the american taxpayer, he brought those women to one of the debates just as a way to trol hillary clinton. i don't think he was being careful then. he certainly wasn't careful when it came to -- >> a democrat who obviously mishandled women inappropriately -- >> donald trump didn't feel -- >> donald trump didn't feel that that issue required care. >> men of power out of control -- >> donald trump doesn't seem to

be a problem with the republican ones, right? >> i wouldn't say that. i would hope that -- >> stood up for women against an abusive man, a republican man accused of abusing women, just one? >> i don't talk to him on a regular basis. >> he tweets on a regular case. >> actually found out one of the accuser was full blown lying. >> supported roy moore to the bitter end. >> jennifer? >> this is the problem, you have women like amy go on television and defend the president. and he seizes upon this and supporters seize upon this and the pattern repeats itself because they get away with it. as long as you have republican women like amy, like concerned women for america, who want something out of this president whether it's judges or whether it's discrimination against gays, whatever it is that they want, and they make excuses for him, it will go on. and they have to stop it. they have to say enough and they have to say he and general kelly were wrong on this. they have to stand up for the

women. otherwise it will continue. and there's no reason to. i don't like the president's policies but if you do, that's fine. go ahead and advocate them. but do not enable him by making these terrible arguments and these excuses and making up facts as you go along. >> with all due respect -- >> hold on, hold on. >> like myself -- >> not standing up for women and not standing up for gays and lesbians because that is very far from the truth. you should apologize for that. >> where's the evidence of it? if donald trump is never wrong, what is -- >> i'm not saying he's never wrong. i don't condone his behavior. >> do you condone his supporting rob porter? >> i'm talking about this tweet in particular and this particular situation and i said at the top of the segment that it's in question of how long it took the fbi investigation along with the coordination. >> and the chief of staff. >> on why this situation just now is coming out a year later

and my friend who works for the department -- >> it's not coming out a year later. they knew last year. let me let jen in. i think the attempt here is to say this is something that the staff, the senior staff of the white house just found out and general kelly, he found out in 40 minutes later the guy was gone. they knew about this last year. >> look, speaking of excuses as jennifer mentioned, i think we can't talk about this issue without talking about the list of democrats who have excused the behavior of president bill clinton -- >> no, this is -- >> excuse me. excuse me. >> the support of bill and hillary clinton -- >> excuse me. excuse me, jen, jen, kristin gillibrand is now at war with the clinton world for having thrown bill clinton over the side. democrats pushed al franken out of power. republicans supported roy moore. republican women voted for roy moore. >> gillibrand didn't do that --

>> sorry, the only person held to account in this sort of era, it has been the democrat has been al franken. republicans won't let anyone go. >> can you name one -- >> gillibrand -- >> john kerry of the me too movement and she was for al franken before she was against him. >> name one instance -- name one instance, one instance where donald trump or yourself or any republican has said the same thing about donald trump or roy moore or said the same thing about porter? >> i'm saying the same thing about democrats here. >> you're tipping it back to democrats. >> domestic violence issue -- >> you're making it democratic and versus republican. jen, i love you but you're making it democrat versus republican. what you're saying is let's shift it back to the democrats when we're talking about the man behind me in a big old picture. if we can't talk about donald trump without republicans trying to throw it back on democrats, just talk to the issue at hand. is he right or is he wrong? >> he's right -- >> is he right or wrong?

>> his tweet simply protected the constitutional right -- >> i'm going to end it here -- i'm going to end it here by saying i wish he had done the same for central park five. he has newly discovered this idea of due process but that's it. >> joy, i will let you know too since i live in las vegas, it is no secret steve wynn has been inappropriate for years. >> that is true. >> we can agree on that. i think the republicans should -- >> yet donald trump him as head of rnc fund raising. >> amy said the republican national committee give back steve wynn's money? >> you know, he gave it to them. i would keep it or donate it to charity. i mean, it is what it is. the guy -- i'm glad he is removed from his position. he should never have been there in the first place. >> we're out of time. >> if democrats give back -- >> back to the democrats, jen, i love you, this is not a tactic that makes sense.

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i think it's terrible, you want to know the truth. i think it's a disgrace what's going on in this country. it's a disgrace. when you look at that and see that and so many other things, what's going on, a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that. >> fire rosenstein, still have confidence in him? >> you figure that one out. >> donald trump was quick to release and promote his chief house republican conciliatory devin nunes' memo but the dems version, not so much. the trump white house declined to release the memo challenging republican allegations that the russia probe abused government surveillance powers. the white house cited national security concerns, concerns they ignored in releasing the nunes memo unredacted. trump could still release if

appropriate revisions were made. even if he continues to refuse, could democrats still find a way to get their memo to the public. professor tribe, you were tweeting this morning and there's a memo by letterman, that the white house doesn't have the power to stop congress from releasing the democratic me memo. can you please explain? >> professor letterman is completely right. the standing rules of the house rule 10, clause 11, part g, simply requires that the select committee on intelligence make a determination that the public interest would be served by disclosure. the committee made that determination this monday by a bipartisan unanimous vote of 21-0. there's nothing in the president's authority that allows him unilaterally to

override that. mr. mcgahn, his white house counsel submitted a statement on friday night flipping the constitution upsidedown. saying that there could be separation of powers problems if the house exercised its authority. no, mr. mcgahn, the separation of powers problems arise when the president seizes authority from the house of representatives. under the house's own rules, they gave the president the materials, gave him until midnight last night to specify the rules as personally in writing. what he objects to in the disclosure and to explain why it would threaten so greatly and transparency, he didn't do that. he said i don't think it's a

good idea, essentially asserting not in writing but only through his counsel and without detail and without reasons that some vague national security concern is present. but the house committee is already taking account of that. house committee is seeking from the fbi and the department of justice suggestions as to what redactions might be necessary to preserve security. so the president is trying to have it both ways, he's trying to say it's up to me to decide to release the phony nunes memo and up to me to decide this, even though the fbi and department of justice are working with you guys. he's asserting yet again an authority he doesn't have as part of his ongoing obstruction of justice. >> let me ask you this question. if i get this correctly between what yourself and professor letterman are saying, if the executive branch can only make rules about releasing classified

information for other members of the security branch, if the idea of the house withholding information that the executive -- objects to releasing is only -- it's own rules and making for itself, it's not a law. doesn't give authority over them. if donald trump has already missed the deadline to state his objections to whatever content he thinks should be classified and held back in writing, he's already missed the deadline. he's if he's assorting authority he doesn't have under the constitution, why is the house pretending and going along with -- why are they pretending he does have the authority to stop? >> it may not be. some of the statements that some members of the committee have made may be read that way. but adam schiff, very careful about what he says, is not giving that authority of the house over to the white house. he's saying we're going to work with the fbi and the intelligence community in a responsible way to figure out what redactions if any are necessary. and when we do that, he's

implying that the house intelligence committee will make its own relief i hope they do exactly that. >> can the minority do that on their own or do they have to have a majority vote? >> they've already had a vote, not just majority but unanimous on monday that the memo should be released and that hasn't been retracted and see no reason it would be xbl let me ask you another question. we also had this blizzard of news, the number three at the department of justice stepped down or announced she will step down. what does that say to you and does it raise red flags for you regarding the mueller investigation? >> well, i don't know her exact motives although i wish she would have stayed and held her ground. she obviously had an offer from the private sector that tempted her. but in a way she's exposing mueller now because next in line for the position of minder of

mueller is an the solicitor general whose filing in the u.s. supreme court have in some instances been so frivolous it's so clear he's doing the president's bidding. the process is in motion for the president to put someone in charge of mueller who even without firing him can clip his wings and trim his sails and defang him and make it much more difficult for him to proceed. and that's the kind of slow motion saturday night massacre. i hope the country is alert to what's going on. the president may do it coupled with distractions and shiny bubbles he throws in the air will take people's eye off the ball. >> it's frightening and in this case in the current version of the saturday night massacre, there's not a willing party to con strain its own president.

>> richard nixon lived in an era when there were mccain-like republicans around. people whose principles exceeded their desire for holding on to power. >> yeah. >> scary times. thank you so much. we appreciate you getting up to help us understand all of this. >> thank you, joy. >> coming up, the political implications of the winter olympics in pyeongchang. that's next. hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it.

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we're going to make it crystal clear that our military, the japanese self-againsts forces and allies in south korea and all of the allies across the region are fully prepared to defend our nations and take what action is necessary to defend our homeland. >> vice president mike pence is leading the u.s. delegation to olympics in pyeongchang south korea this week. and he made headlines when he

and his wife refused to stand when the united korean team marched together under one flag during the opening ceremony. this is the same mike pence who staged a walkout of an nfl game when players dared to kneel in protest. what does it mean for the threat of nuclear war? joining me now, former cia analyst and lawrence will kerr son, former chief of staff to collin powell. on this issue of refusing to stand, this is a unified team and south korea is the host country. how do you think that refusal to stand played in north korea and south decree kra in. >> in nornlth korea it did not play well but south korea too. they are hosting the olympics, not just north korean athletes coming in. i think vice president pence could have stood up and he's

allowing north korea to win a gold medal in the propaganda war by this whole propaganda thing. why not be gracious and stand up. >> can't you talk about, besides unification and what is driving it? is the north driving this idea of unification? is this about the talks to try to reduce tensions and how is that idea? we have the flag -- there's a piece in the atlantic that says the reit romanticsizes the situation, according to the former south korean diplomat for associations with unity and may ultimately mean different things for seoul and pyongyang. south korea, a ticket to denuclearization talks and north korea may avoid them all together. >> i think that is true. north korea is trying to use this ethnic nationalism to talk about unification. unification has always been north korea's long term goal. that's that. from south korea's perspective,

they are very into trying to translate this current thaw and make it into a greater breakthrough on democratization front. they really want to move to a greater breakthrough and make washington and seoul talk to each other on denuclearization. >> done add trump tried to take credit for the thaw between the north and south and saying essentially in a call to his counterpart in south korea, just give me the credit, even though he had nothing to do with putting these talks together. what is washington's role at this point? >> i agree with what was just said. let me add since i've been working this issue since 1969, a principle strategic objective of pyongyang north korea has been to separate the united states and south korea ultimately to fray the alliance if not break it apart. bilateral relations with south korea has been a principle strategic tool within that

overall strategy. we have given with pence's performance and with the arrogant way we deployed high altitude air defense and not placing an ambassador in seoul, we given incredible impetus to the strategic move by north korea. >> we've become accustomed to the north korean leader parading his military assets as sort of a show of force to the world. we now have an american president who would like to do the same. mike pence was in the position of commenting on both this week. the headline saying he won a gold medal for hypocrisy, on the north korean version of these parade, an effort on part of the regime to display ballistic missiles and military that makes menacing threats across the region and wider world, how he described the parade north korea held. on donald trump's idea, any

opportunity to celebrate the men and women of armed forces is a great day. >> what do you make of this dual attitude mr. pence has towards military parades? >> i think it's rather absurd. i'll be first to admit and i hope i'm right there's a huge difference between north korea and the united states but at the same time, i echo the views of the poll conducted by army times yesterday, i believe, that sort of the unofficial newspaper of my army, and it was nine out of ten soldiers and other readers of the army times said waste of our time and a waste of taxpayer money. that's how i feel about it. >> and part of these were paranoia, partly about place, they are not that far from the nagasaki and her shim ma, look at the map of where they are situated in the world and the memory of the fact that united states did use nuclear weapons to end world war ii in that

sense and the 30th parallel, chosen by the soft yet union and u.s. redrawn after the korean war, separating the two. it's very close to where these olympics are being held. there's a lot more fraut for people on the peninsula. how does the idea of america flaunting idea of military equipment down pennsylvania avenue, what message would that send to the regime of kim jong-un and how would it be received by the south korean administration? >> i don't think north korea or south korea would want to see this parade. we don't need this parade. it's one thing to have joint training exercises, that's readiness issue but this parade is a complete waste of time and money and resources and it's not going to play well with south korea, looking for a breakthrough to move on to a dialogue engagement. and what is this parade for? it doesn't help in terms of making progress on the nuclear missile front. >> do you think it's unfair for

people to say that donald trump more and more behaves the way kim jong-un behaves or is that something that maybe kim jong-un sees and thinks maybe this is something i can deal with because he is more like me. >> i don't think he's looking at mr. trump and saying he's more like me. i think he's very confused like everybody else in terms of what mr. trump is all about. but i don't think in terms of optics we need to play north korea's game. north korea is north korea. why they hold parades, we're not north korea. we don't need to do this. we have the most powerful military in the world and everybody knows it. >> for that reason, i think that's why americans are sort of dumbfounded by this idea. is it unfair in your view to say that donald trump is behaving more like kim jong-un, maybe even as a way to scare him? >> i don't think so. i try to think that way at first, i tried to put some reason behind his bell kosty, but i think what was just said

across a pan plea of u.s. policies and democrat and foreign is just uncertainty, confusion, belacosity that doesn't seem necessary. the real problem with the administration, it does not know where it is going. >> and neither do many americans. thank you so much. have a wonderful sunday. thank you both. coming up in the nex next hour, we'll check in on earth 2, and marvel's black panther after the break. the winter of '77. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story. and that's why we'll always drive a subaru.

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they said you need to make redactions and corrections and we'll get it out right away. we've heard nothing but crick crickets, democrats have been on tv all week long, they are memo is sitting down at the capitol waiting tore redacted. if they really wanted to get it out, they would be down there all day yesterday redacting it, getting it back over to the white house to the public can know what's in it. >> devin nunes said it was democrats' fault that the rebuttal memo is not been made

public. here to respond is congressman eric swalwell, joining me by phone. your response to devin nunes saying democrats need to be busily in the capitol redacting everything the white house wants right now if they want the memo out, your thoughts? >> good morning, joy. our staff is down in the capitol, been there all weekend, that's how hard they've been working. every second spent is a second they haven't been able to spend to work on the attacks that the russians continue to carry out on our democracy. but the truth is, joy, i think it smacks of hypocrisy, trump and nunes have a new found respect for the fbi and department of justice and very concerned any redactions they want when they didn't show that concern two weeks ago when they called the republican memo extraordinarily reckless. i think this is -- has to be looked at skeptically with the

concern that these are political items and we hope to hear from the department of justice when we return to the capitol as members on tuesday. >> and so i take it you mean that the democrats will object to redacting that the democrats will reject to redacting anything that the white house wants because presumably what the white house wants redacted is anything that makes donald trump look bad. so you guys are going to resist that? >> what we want to know, were there any edits sent back from the department of justice. was that as a result of the president. the second question is, knowing that the republicans have put out their sources and methods, does our memo do anything other than put in better context what those sources or methods are? if there are truly national security problems, we have expressed that we don't want to deal with it. we will admit to any legitimate edits. but i think most people want to see us just end this charade. and get back to work.

in a room with it. and we haven't heard from a witness in our investigation for over a month. >> now, we had laurence tribe on harvard university. both he and marty letterman who has written a piece online that is posted pour justsecurity.org. have both said that there is nothing in the constitution that prevents congress from releasing the democratic memo. no matter what the white house says. the white house says there's no power to stop you. so can democrats just simply release the memo and ignore that, why can't they? >> the white house is free of any edit, devin nunez should be the first to walk on the floor on tuesday to ask his colleagues to unanimously support it. so congress can. professor tribe is correct, that congress could release this. with votes from the house. and devin nunes, i would expect a person who is so interested in

transparency would lead that effort. >> well, wait, but laurence tribe, professor tribe said, no, the vote already happened. that the house intelligence committee already voted unanimously to release the democratic memo. according to professor tribe there doesn't need to be another vote. i reiterate, why doesn't congressman schiff simply release it? >> again, i think we want to show the respect for the same rule of law that they're trampling over. our interpretation is. would require a house vote. the public sentiment is they want to give the in evidence the memo, they're tired of obstruction from the white house. and i believe that public sentiment is going to ultimately travail and the public will see it. >> just a slight pushback on what you're saying, according to the house's own rules, the house select committee on intelligence own rules for itself, the white house had a deadline of midnight this morning, to submit in writing, its objections to any

content in the memo. did the white house submit, in writing its objections to your committee? >> it did. >> it did? >> we received that friday evening. >> okay. >> we received a letter with their objections. then they also sent over a nonpublic letter which has what they state are the top secret concerns. that's right. devin nunes is also -- it's interesting that he's accusing mr. schiff and colleagues on the committee of not being able to review what was sent over. but, of course, members back home in their district and the letter that the white house sent over included a classified piece to it. so, the only way for to us repeat that is in the capitol. but our staff is doing that. they're working very hard. and, again, we're going to keep plowing through all of the snow that they have put in the way of this investigation and we're going to get the information out. >> you're a former prosecutor, you're a lawyer. i can quote case law to you. there's a case called department of navy versus egan that is the

controlling law apparently in this regard. according to professor tribe and professor letterman. nothing in that ruling or any other case suggests let alone that the president has constitutional authority to restrict congress' disclosure of the information, such as information in that memory. therefore no executive orders or presidential actions preclude this piece by letterman to congress. in other words, sir, the only restrictions on your committee to release this memo are the restrictions that you're placing on yourselves. that essentially you don't need to go to the full house for a vote, according to professor tribe, you already have the authority? >> well, i would agree that restrictions are what we put on ours, of course, joy, we're a coequal branch of government with oversight responsibility. and we cannot be muzzled by the executive branch. but my interpretation, i think our side's interpretation is that, you know, you ask the

white house first to, you know, look at anything that would jeopardize national security sources. and then if you don't agree with the interpretation, understand the house rules we have to conduct a vote. i think the bigger issue here, the president, if he's ever been consistent about anything in this presidency, expect that he is willing to do anything to obstruct, and that includes preventing this memo from being released. the prior work that the white house has done with durbin nunez since the investigation started. and the 180 in his refusal to interview with bob mueller. so, i think he's been consistent only on those obstructive actions. >> final question to you, sir, given the fact that devin nunes has made it very clear that he's here to defend the white house. that is what he believes his role is. and given the fact that in every instance that we've been able to tell, paul ryan agrees and feels

that is his role as well. what hope would the american people have if it went to a full house. if donald trump returned a fully redacted memo that blacks out everything that he thinks could be bad for him, detrimental to him, and it went to a full house, why should the american people believe that paul ryan will support the idea of voting, again, to release the democratic memo? >> joy, we can't count on paul ryan or devin nunes, what we can count on the american people to be heard. to be loud. just as they did when health care was on the line. to, you know, speak up. and hopefully, move enough lawmakers to do the right thing. but i think we're going to have to hold on tight in this country for the next nine months. and then we can cut our time in hell in half if the democrats win the house. >> congressman eric swalwell, we caught you driving. >> have a great day.

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news for you this evening on this story, there are brand-new text messages obtained exclusively by fox news that reveal a questionableship between the top democrat and the senate's russian investigation and a lobbyist representing a russian oligarch. >> this week while most media outlets were turning out updates

on the multiple domestic violence allegations against former members of the trump administration, the brief government shutdown and blocking of the government response of the nunes memo, fox news led with blockbuster headlines by democratic chairman mike warner. fox news claim they got the text messages from, quote, a republican source. we're not sure who that source is. according to the daily beast a couple weeks ago, fox news host sean hannity twitter page went dark. and then a few fake hannity twitter pages popped in. one run by gilliam, it attracted julian assange of wikileaks who began texting the fake account. and who was the senator assange

was offing dirt on? you guessed it, mark warner. this week, fox actually gave their view viewers the alleged goods on warner. they briefly detailed an alleged relationship between warner and an oligarch, all revealed in text messages obtained by fox news. apparently the messages were news only to fox according to fellow intelligence member marco rubio. joining me now tiffany cross. jan concerns, and jonathan capehart. jonathan, let me go to you, you have the disadvantage of not being at the front table. so, we go to you first on this. this story about the fake hannity account is intriguing. it's not prove that there is a

connection, but a coincidence that he was offering this dirt on the fake hannity account. just to make it more interesting, the reason it went black is because of chrissy teigen. highlighting one tweet. to all the lib haters know that i'm back here to stay. to all of myloyal followers follow me on the new page. it was retweeted by chrissy teigen. that's probably the reason it went viral. what do you make of this whole thing. >> everything about "earth ii" is tiresome. even though the oxygen of earth

2 is manufactured news. false information, perloined documents, thievery and thuggery. the problem is all of that stuff has been propagated on a so-called news channel on cabling where unfortunately most the american people get their news. we have to understand something, i said this the last time i was on. fox news is the number one cable channel. and if you want to understand why things like mark warn er fae documents explodes on twitter. or why president trump isn't held accountable by republicans on leadership and capitol hill, why he in held account aboable,s because their constituents are being fed an hourly diet of misinformation and lies. if any were to go against any of that they will be held to account with phone calls, e-mails and letters and condemnation. and most importantly, the thing

that makes them most fearful, a challenge. a political challenge from the right, if you can believe that there's any one more conservative than the people who are already living in fear, sitting in seats in congress. >> so, because there's an ecosystem, right. even the highest rated fox show 4 million people watching it over time. chrissy teigen tweeting settle down braveheart at sean hannity. she's got 10 million twitter followers, that's a lot more people. but donald trump, he's got something like 30 million followers, even if two-thirds are bots, russian bots, or whatever, there's a lot more than he's able to project out. tweeted wow, senator mark warner got caught having extensive contact with a lobbyist for a russian oligarch. warner did not want a paper trail. the chutzpah claiming it's mark

warner with the russians. this ecosystem works in the closed loop of trump supporters. >> aside from the fact there is no expose here, like you said, the senate intelligence committee knew all about this correspondence. the bigger thing i find interesting about this story is, julian assange, not that long ago was an enemy of the right. the right wing hated this guy, even though sean hannity and donald trump seem to praise julian assange, mike pompeo, the cia director has called him a hostile service often abetted by, guess who, russia. now, the fact that now these strange bedfellows are friends given all of the evidence that our democracy was attacked by this foreign agency is baffling. again, to your point, i don't think this matters to trump's base. i think they're unreachable at this point. and if you're only getting your information from the number one cable news outlet like jonathan

said and you're only getting your tweets from donald trump's twitter account, you're really not learning. there's no intellectual curiosity to find anything else. they're cherry-picking the head line and retweeting this. they find it factual which is the scary part of the base that uplifts false information. >> the thing is, jan, what would you make of the white embrace of julian assange, somebody on with hannity all the time. he used to be the enemy of the right and now they've embraced? >> i think sean hannity can get his source of information, if he wants to get it from julian assange or his other sources, i think the person most damaging was mark warner himself. >> wait, wait, very deft. what do you make of the right embrace of julian assange? >> well, i think republicans are looking for all of the information coming outside. >> do you think that's hostile

foreign agent? >> i think what we saw during the wikileaks leaks last year during the campaign is thousands and thousands of e-mails of hillary clinton. >> now, wait, back, back, back to julian assange. what do you make of the right's embrace of him? this is -- republicans used to make him the race of the party. and what do you as a republican, as a conservative make of the right embrace of this person and of russia? >> well, i think if someone has independent information and that information can be verified as was the case. >> what if north korea had something, would you embrace that? >> i'd leave that to the guys on the committee. i'll tell you about what the committee, i can't believe that the american people are just finding out about mark warner. >> you're on your talking points. let's go to you, dave. >> we paid for that microphone. >> i need to point out the talking points you came here. that's been refuted by marco

rubio. the republican. let's go to this, not only does it include julian assange and donald trump but it also includes u.s. intelligence information. you have devin nunes on this morning and he's using now the work product of the intelligence committee as part of the community. >> uh-huh. >> the intelligence officials had their hair on fire. >> yeah, without question, joy, i think we need to take a step back and look at the larger context at what real fox news serves. roger ailes when they founded fox in 1986, it was basically for the explicit purpose that watergate would never happen again. when nixon left office in 1974, republicans said "the washington post," "the new york times," cbs news, all of the media that pursued the watergate investigations defined that story. and fox news was set up with talk radio so people on the right would be able to find

contra veiling information, whether or not it's true, to make sure that the media will never help to railroad out of office. i think we should point out. bill clinton was impeached. the idea that so-called media doesn't investigate democrats, in 1990s, combleed of "the washington post" and "the new york times" aggressively covered white water. >> "the new york times" pursued hillary's e-mail as if it was the most important story in america. which did all of it. >> and it's only to prop up donald trump in this case and republicans on a larger case. >> to make that point of "the washington post," here is donald trump quoting fox news. he quotes them, this is saturday, this is yesterday morning. at 1:34. my view is not only has trump been vindicated in the last couple weeks about the mishandling of the dossier and lies. it shows he's been victimized. he's been victimized by the

obama agency, not just the fbi and doj, now the state department to dig up dirt on him in the days leading up to the election. blah blah. he's quoting judicial watch on fox news. he extensively quotes people on fox news. he watches "fox & friends." he uses that to turn around, see, "fox & friends" say i'm vicinity indicate vindicated. for him, that's the end of the case. >> right. goes back to my original point, and the antithesis point and everyone's point, this is a closed loop ecosystem that is self-reinforcing. the president of the united states who we should believe says this happened, i saw it on fox news, therefore, it must be true. and in those tweets, president trump got two of the three trifecta when i interviewed hillary clinton last fall about her book.

she said, you know, when the president wants to get people to stop thinking about the russia investigation or if anything happens, any controversy paups up, he always picks on three people. her, president obama, which those two are mentioned in those tweets. and the third, she said, african-americans. any day now, he's going to pick a fight with an african-american. this is a president who will -- for some reason, is obsessed, is fixated on hillary clinton. fixated on president obama. fixated on the fact that there's an investigation into russian interference into the 2016 -- yeah, the 2016 election. >> correct. >> and no understanding, or at least neither the intellectual or emotional maturity to understand that he is president of the united states. he won the election. he won the electoral college. and yet, here we are, more than a year after his inauguration. and he's still fighting this useless inane fight. >> really quickly before we go

to you. what are the implications for the democracy of having an entire closed world in which the president of the united states can essentially place himself outside of the wall? and have a pretty substantial core of equals back him up. >> i think we're seeing that right now. i mean, all of the intelligence agencies have said russia is actively targeting our democracy again this election cycle. and yet, what are republicans and donald trump doing? attacking the law enforcement agency to investigate. i want to the talk about wate watergate. a lot of people credit woodward and burnstein. they did incredible investigating. most was lifted from the fbi. you have the two main entities that uncovered what happened during watergate, it's very telling of this administration. >> and what's scary is, because

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is should we be all right? >> don't say that. because we are worried, and i need you to say, no, it's going to be okay. it's going to not be okay. >> omarosa is trying to turn the page on her time in the white house with what else? a start on a reality show. her scenes on "celebrity big brother" slamming her old boss is generating a lot of buzz. before she appliy sapplies, she take credit for this. >> every detractor will have to bow down to president trump it's everyone who ever doubted donald. whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him. it is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. >> joining me now, randall

pinkett, winner of season 4's nbc "the apprentice" and also on the "the apprentice," thank you. a lot of people are saying omarosa is now attempting to do what we might call rebranding. >> yes. >> she's decided she's no longer the everybody that's going to bow down to trump. she's on resistance. here's omarosa talking about why she took the job in the first place. >> i felt like it was a call of duty. i felt like i was serving my country, not serving him. like accepting a protocol appointment. it was always about the country. like i was haunted with tweets every single day. does anybody say to him, what are you doing? >> i mean, i tried to be that person. and talked to other people around me. it was like keep her away. don't give her access.

don't let her talk to him. >> are you buying this? what is happening? what do you think omarosa is doing here? >> well, i know both of them, i know melissa, i know donald. i know from both of them, if you hit them once, they'll hit you back twice. they expect loyalty up to a point, but they'll turn very quickly. i think what distinguishes them both the most, they will change the story to fit their own narrative when it's no longer expedient for them. this is omarosa trying to change the narrative. i believe when you swim in shark-infested waters you're in danger of being eaten up and spit out. eaten up by john kelly, spit out by rob shaw and donald trump ordered it. now an attempt to regain favor. now that i'm out of the administration and not with

donald, i've got to find a new home. for her, it's back to reality tv. and it's an attempt, a fleeting attempt to get back by the american people and black people. i'm not buying it. >> she seems to be writing a book. she seems to be edging her way back, right, into the community that she shoved aside and said everybody is going to bow down to donald trump. having been a hillary clinton person and now all of a sudden with donald trump. and she invoked the name of bill cosby who used to be on the cosby show. >> when you're in the middle of the hurricane, it's hard to see the destruction on the outer bands, do you understand what i'm saying? and you switched by somebody you have known and have been loyal to and have known for a long time and supported you. and people judged you. but only you know your

innerworkings of your relationship with mr. cosby. that's the same thing with me and mr. trump. >> tara, what is happening? >> well, i want to point something out, one of the things i loved about that first clip that you showed in that performance, which i call it performance, omarosa was whispering, as if the camera wasn't there doing a tight shot on the conversation. she's whispering as if she's having a secret conversation. >> on reality tv. >> on reality tv with literally tons of cameras. i just wanted to point that out it was quite a performance. what omarosa is trying to do, she's trying to do a number of things. she's trying to pay her bills. and let's remember, her alliance with donald trump was also a financial alliance. my guess is not only has she

unceremoniously been booted out of the white house, but my guess is her access was cut off. when her access was cut off fully and completely now it's gun as blazing for omarosa. she sees the intrigue that goes on around trump and the scandals, and salaciousness, she findings an opportunity to gain a bigger platform. a separate platform or reality television. >> to that very point, here's omarosa who was a democrat. republicans had a real problem with her having a senior official position in the administration whatever the position, and in their mind, keeping out essentially black republicans out. and here's her saying she would not vote for donald trump again. >> would you vote for him again? >> god no. never. in a million years, never.

>> and, you know, randall, she not only voted for donald trump but we heard her actually talk about that. but the reason she was fired in the first time, reportedly, according to john kelly, the stories were presented to trump that she not just voted for him but would feed him stories to get him going. the stories she would feed to president trump would engage the red and he would spend the rest of the day fuming about it. she was in there and ginning him up. >> we should be afraid that we're in danger. and it is worse on the inside than perhaps it seems on the outside. having worked in the trump administration myself, seeing the dynamic in the room with the donald, when he's in the room, it doesn't really matter. there's a group think that tends to surround with donald that pushes people out who don't feed his ego who aren't on board with donald's program.

and i do think omarosa made some attempt to drive her agenda. unfortunately, that agenda does not align with the broader agenda and that's what casted her out of the white house. she could spin it like she could, but the reality is, unlike my experience with the trump administration i was ready to go, but that reinforcement of donald's thinking is a powerful force. >> and can donald trump function, actually knowing him who loses the people in his life, he's now down basically to hope hicks, his son-in-law and daughter. if those people aren't around him what happens to donald trump? >> well, he only trusts a small group of people. we already hear about floating rumors about general kelly, now ivanka and jarred want him gone. it's going to make him more isolated. he's become very isolated, he's

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november. i think this is indicative of what's happening in wisconsin and other states. wisconsin already has the worst gerrymandering in the country. the worst voter suppression laws in the country and money laundering. >> it's very active and democrats picked a state senate seat when they did allow an election to happen. it was a district that trump won by only 17 points. that's why he's scared. let's go to pennsylvania, extremely gerrymandered state. even though the state is split politically, blue, democrats got five, republicans got 13. that's the math even though the vote was pretty split. what's going on in pennsylvania. >> what's happening in pennsylvania, the pennsylvania supreme court struck down the republican maps as being unconstitutional understand the pa parr constitution. they ordered new maps be drawn. then a few things happened. number one, the pennsylvania legislature said we're not going to turn over the data to the court which is pretty

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the president's tweet yesterday was more generic. >> about the me too movement? >> no, he never said the me too movement, he never said the reporter's name. he said that some are old, some are new. excuse me, some are contemporaneous, to use my words, that probably wouldn't fit in the tweet. but that's different than what we see in the porter situation. >> how did surrogates of donald trump explain away his saturday morning tweet appearing to defend white house aide robert porter who resigned amid allegations of abuse.

wi with. >> if we list ton one more kellyanne conway sound bite, he's on abc's "this week" on whether or not trump accusers should get due process, here's kellyanne again. >> do the president's accusers deserve due process. >> those accusers have had their day i don't need a tlek tour from kirsten gillibrand or anybody else who protectnd a president who sexual relations in the oval office. i don't need a lecture from everybody or anybody else. and let's call this for what it is. it's a democratic party berift of any accomplishment. >> there's a piv tote democrats.

it's a pivot to bill clinton. it's hard to get anyone in the administration to directly answer the questions about rob porter and donald trump. that approach. it works with the fox news crowd. does it work in a larger context? >> no. and we don't need to worry about that kind of monster, kellyanne conway will say whatever for money. disregard her. this is a turning point with two different staffers. these charges dredged up these haunting pictures. and then you have the president's own history of self-declaring himself to be a vagina grabber. and winning on that platform. this week was a turning point because i think we're starting to realize that trump doesn't merely tolerate sexual abuse. sexual abuse is a very apt metaphor for everything that trump is. living -- the cultivation of fear in everyone. the insistence that people are loving it, when you're actually

degrading and dehumanizing and making their lives harder. and going on and telling people, the blacks love you, the hispanics love you, and the women love you. and then insecurities in an attempt to dominate others, this is a wake cultural presence. and donald trump has work the commander in chief of that culture. >> and ala sebastian gorka, as he described, he said it's the age of the alpha male. i think about that when these stories come up. there is something cultural about the trump administration of sort of broad explaining of men when anything comes down. here's mick mulvaney. one of the founders of the freedom caucus. he considers himself a constitutional conservative in that regard. on sunday, on fox news, talking about the white house response

to the porter allegations. >> go back and watch what happened this week. and i think it's a very normal reaction to the circumstance. someone who we know, trust and work with, rob porter came to the president of the united states and chief of staff and said, look, i'm being accused of these things, they are not true. for the president or chief of staff to give that person the benefit of the doubt is probably a very normal and human reaction. >> it's interesting because the me too movement is about the opposite. it's about giving the woman speaking up about victimization the benefit of the doubt. but really the mind-set is you give the man the benefit of the doubt. what does that say to you particularly at this cultural moment? >> this says what i always knew, this is sexist, racist misogynistic government. i want to say to women. get out. this goes beyond partisan paul ticket. this is not what democrats and

republicans do. this is about violence against women. you guys have stuck by him through domestic abuse and sexual violence. this does not stand behind your agenda. this is not about partisan politics. this is a dangerous message for women around the world. gop women, you owe it to women around the world, girls around the world to get out. i don't know how kellyanne conway looks at herself in the mirror. i don't usually pull this card but as a mother, how do you look at your daughters in the face? we're at a cultural shift. a turning point for women's rights, violence against women. gop women, you've got do get out. trump is not about anything else more than misogyny. misogyny. >> you heard the story that hope hicks was apparently dating rob

porter who asked or talked to write his talking points. then you have the report by axios, that white house staff, of rob porter, he's telling people that some white house officials told him to stay and fight. saying he never misrepresented anything to john kelly. that he was encouraged to fight. that essentially sounds like what donald trump said, you take your pick. roger ailes, what do you make of that. >> i want to congratulate you on that great "the new york times" piece. it's good when good people win. it's awesome. >> thank you. >> first of all, you are seeing within this white house a snake pit that a particular kind of reader creates. you know, there's always some fighting in white houses. people disagree about important things. but this has reached an as astonishing level. but the levels, conflicts of

interest, not only those familiar with donald trump but the levels. this is an extraordinary story. but i think we also have to look at something very important here. the one time when donald trump speaking out passionately for due process, involves charges about a man battling a woman. and these aren't just charges. these have been investigated by the fbi. this is apparently why porter could not get his security clearance. this is really astonishing. trump doesn't care about due process when he attacks hillary clinton. i was thinking, joy, you like to talk about fox news as earth 2. kellyanne conway has to live on earth 3. because she has to go out there and say what you read in donald trump's tweet is not really what you read in donald trump's

tweet. and i don't think it's credible. i don't think it helps them. and i think it will be very curious if any republicans stand up and say, hold on, we've been willing to defend a lot oaut ot stuff. but we've got to walk away from this one. i don't think we've seen very many do that yet. >> why do you think, why not? >> i think exactly to that point. i think when we're in school, in college, you read about these important moments in history. you read about the rise of hitler. you read about horrible wars. you read about religious persecution. almost every kid who reads about that thinks to themselves what would i do in that moment and hopes in that moment i would do something great. i would say no, i would stop this. and we are now, we have the great fortunate, in a weird perverse way to live a lot of those times that matter. this time matters. a lot of times semi matter. this really matters. this is the moment you that read about in school, republican or

democrat, that you could do something, that people remember you for. >> right. >> and when this white house is led by racists, by white nationalists and now increasingly by a growing number of wife beaters and sexual abusers. and people who enable those people. and no one is saying anything. in their circle of republican enablers. even people who have to presume, do not do those things, do not condhoone those things. we're going to be judged so darkly. >> history is not going to be kind. thank you all. have a wonderful sunday. >> thank you. >> you too, joy. up next, "black panther," why it's so much more than a movie. en. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. i need to shave my a1c i'm always on call. an insulin that fits my schedule is key. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ (announcer) tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes. don't use tresiba® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis,

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attention. >> we're only getting started. >> this friday, marvels anticipated movie "black panther" will hit movie theaters across the country. it's outpacing released sales than any other movie in history and could break the president's day opening record. it includes a mostly black cast including chadwick boseman in the title wrong and more. boozman is also krasing the cover of this weeks time ago. the headline, a hero cries. we have contributing writer for time magazine, jamil smith. congratulations on this cover. i'm so proud of you signing this coffer for me. you write in this piece, it's a well-written beautiful piece and you open it by talking about the first movie you saw with a black her row in it be "star wars" land doe cal rissian. talk about the importance of black heroes to you and other young men and women of color.

>> i was five years old when you first saw empire strikes back, that's 1980. and the fact that it had a black hero, a complicated black hero in was important to me, i noticed it. so when you see a man who's complicated but chooses to do the right thing and he looks vaguely like you, i think it's important for young foam see that. so hopefully "black panther" will do the same thing for a lot of kids that are going out to see it this weekend. >> let's play a little bit of trailer, michael b. jordan doing his thing. take a look. >> i've waited my entire life for. the world's going to start over. >> i'm going to burn it all. >> what happens now determines what happens to the rest of the world. >> with the caveat that i'll be changing my driver's license from my residence to be row

conneda, why do you think this movie is so mamg cal for people? >> it's unprecedented. there's never been been a film this w this kind of fwhaugt has an african-american director and a mostly black cast. secondly, it's the first mainstream black superhero that's had his own film. think there's plenty of reasons on that level to be excited. but also you see in this film the potential for so many, you know, reflections of black reality. african reality and african-american reality, which say distinction in this film. i think people are rightfully excited. i understand there are people that are going to say it's just a movie, but media representation is important. though it's not the journey to full equality, it is a step towards it. >> do you think it's significant, first of all it's rhode island a well-reviewed film. it's been given hugely positive reviews. but it's a black film that's going to travel all across sort of the human racial spectrum?

>> yes. when i sat down with the director, one of the things then stressed it to me was this movie has traditional themes. but also the fact is, you know, row conneda, this fiction nal african kingdom has unlimited wealth and this resource vie brainium that allows it to be technology logically advanced. what do you do when you have the technology and wealth to be level the playing field for back people in america and throughout the world? it's the question it wesles with in an interesting way. >> the movie seems that it's going to make a ton of money. does this bode well for other movies like it? >> the people i've been speaking to really think it could actually change things. i'm going to defer judgment. we've seen a lot of really

successful black films, black directors, black stars, the best man in 1999. we've seen "moonlight, barry jenkins. i want to see more of these before we make a judgment as to whether or not things are going to change. i think that there's been a lot of flash points of success, but hollywood needs to get its act zblogt together. >> is this movie -- obviously it was written and shot before anybody knew who would be the next president. do you think it's poignant for it to be happening with trump in the office? >> sure. you have a white national movement being led by the president of the united states. you have an african king who cannot only destroy you but also buy your land, i think that it's important that, you know, people understand that a lot of people are going to see that as a threat. is that the majority of, like, the trump voters? no, it's not a majority. i think there are a lot of

people who are going to understand that there are universal themes this in this film and also just have a great time. it's a lot of fun. so i just think that it definitely resinates in a certain way because of trump, but we'll see. >> good luck with the boycott hash tag on this movie, haters, it's not going to work. jamil smith, congratulations again on great cover story on time magazine and i personally cannot wait for this movie. i'm jealous that you've already seen it but i'll leave it there. thank you very much, my friend. have a great day. >> you too. >> thank you. more am joy next. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back,

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and that's our show for today. thanks for watching. we'll be back next saturday 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next my friend alex witt has the latest. >> i was so fld listening to jamil in that conversation, i like you am excited to see this movie. i don't see marvel movies, i just don't. >> this movie will get you into it because he fits into the larger marvel universe and there's another one called civil war comingup. >> we should go zblogt we should. i'm going to see you 14 times. >> i'll hook you up on one of them. okay, that's good. have a good one. good day to all of you i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. here's what's happening. the last hours in the white house for ex-staffer rob porter. what he's telling people now about his resignation is different than what's coming from the west wing. how that drama unfolded next. >> the president's tweet yesterday was