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unveil a new framework to address border security and fix daca. and later, the president blocks house democrats' intelligence committee memo. congressman gerald madler on what's in it and if it will ever come out. plus dnc chief tom perez comes back to see if they can take back power in congress or if they'll watch the wave go by. we'll talk about whether the fiscal hawk is an endangered species in the age of trump. but first, monday begins the white house's second attempt at infrastructure week and the second time that no one cares. instead, everyone is focused on what will happen with two of the president's closest advisors. john kelly, venerated before he became chief of staff, is now said to have floated his resignation. hope hicks sometimes seen as another trump daughter is said to have irritated the president. and now it is back to the old ways of the trump white house. leaks from top meetings and reports of jockeying for

position as top officials fall from favor with the president. still, aides went on tv to say the president has confidence in both kelly and hicks. joining me tonight, white house bureau chief of the washington post and msnbc political analyst philip rucker. politics editor for the daily beast and msnbc contributor sam stein. white house correspondent for the pbs news hour and msnbc contributor, yamiche, and former house gop commit counsel sophia nelson. phil, you have been doing quite a bit of reporting on what is going on here with rob porter. what is true, and what is not? there seems to have been -- john kelly says that within 40 minutes of knowing about this he fired rob porter. he was gone. but there are a lot of staffers who say that's not the case. >> yeah, so, the chief of staff john kelly is really under fire right now. this is the 6th straight day that the white house has been dealing with this rob porter saga, the staff secretary who was forced out and kelly keeps changing his story. the version of events that he has recounted to senior staffers

inside the white house does not match up with the public record or with what white house officials were telling news organizations in real-time based on our reporting. kelly now says that he took immediate action to get rid of porter within 40 minutes of learning that those allegations of domestic violence were credible, but that doesn't match up with what we know to be true, which is that he stood by porter after the initial reports. and then the next day, even after a photograph came out sho showing porter's ex-wife with a black eye, kelly was encouraging porter to stay on at the white house and continue in his job. >> why then go and say to tell a different story? how did kelly expect that this wouldn't be, you know, that we wouldn't try to walk through all of this? >> i think kelly is trying to sure up his credibility inside the white house. a number of senior staffers that i've spoken to in the last few days say that they've lost confidence in kelly as sort of a

truthful, credible leader of the west wing. and so he's working not only publicly to try to clean up this story with all of us, but he has to deal with those 400-plus people that work in the white house under his leadership to try to convince them that he can be a truthful honest broker and a leader of that institution. >> sam stein, this has been a difficult period for john kelly, somebody who is incredibly respected by military colleagues and who, quite frankly, has taken a few political miss steps, more than a few really by now. >> yeah, this was -- i mean, it got overshadowed obviously by the rob porter news. earlier than that he said something so off key about daca recipients that a bunch of them were essentially too lazy, i think i can say this, get off their as and go and apply for daca protections, which was interpreted, i think sincerely so, as a racist comment. and he has made similar miss steps in the past. fight with a congresswoman -- sorry, with a war widow over

whether or not she interpreted president's comments correctly. so, there have been miss steps before, but this seems to be the closest to a fatal miss step that we've had yet and i think part of the reason is precisely because of what phil said. we saw the public record, right? there were statements put out under his name that were almost complementary of the type of person rob porter was, not just as a professional but as a person. even in real time as we saw the pictures. i also think for, to a large degree, what matters to the president is the perception that he sees on the news coverage. and there wasn't as critical a perception about kelly about the daca comments as this mishandling. i don't think trump stomachs those types of things. >> sam, you did some reporting. can you just walk through what the president has been saying in private about these accusers? >> sure. >> the ex-wives? >> we reported last week that -- and this was echoed by the president publicly, which is

that he was wondering if there were holes in the stories that these women were telling. sort of a skepticism that kind of bled into his remarks that he said publicly, which is maybe, you know, there wasn't something that was being revealed by the women who were -- who alleged they were abused emotionally and physically by rob porter. to be perfectly frank, this is not -- it's shocking that it's not all that shocking because trump has a history of essentially taking the side of the accused. it goes back to his time as a real estate mogul in the '80s where he stood by mike tyson during rape conviction. it certainly goes with what he tweeted, i believe it was this morning, who knows -- >> i'm going to stop you right there. we have that tweet which you have likely seen by now. the president wrote, quote, peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. he finished the tweet by posing the question, quote, is there no such thing any longer as due process? mr. trump's advisors sought to defend that tweet on the sunday

shows this morning. >> does the president believe that rob porter is falsely accused? >> the president believes as he said the other day, you have to consider all sides. he said this in the past about incidents that relate to him as well. at the same time, you have to look at the results. the result is that rob porter is no longer the staff secretary. >> does the president believe rob porter is still innocent? >> i think the president is shaped by a lot of false accusations against him in the past, chuck. in talking to the president, he's sad about what happened to rob and disturbed by it and he's very disappointed in it. i think he believes the resignation was appropriate. >> and just in tonight, axios reports that behind closed doors, the president has told multiple people that he believes the accusations about porter. a little bit difficult entitere. and finds him, quote, sick. jonathan swan has four sources who say they have spoken directly with trump who say his comments about porter have been

brutal. and, yamiche, there is some discrepancy here about, you know, the president's past history, yes, sam's point is absolutely well taken. however, he also seems to say or has said in the past that men who are violent towards their wives will never change and they always will be, which makes this axios reporting interesting. >> it's interesting, but it's complex. but when i think about kellyanne going on tv saying this is all sides, it takes me back to charlottesville and the idea of both sides. this is an administration that is always trying to balance not -- not really seeming as though it's intro speculative while also trying to play this false equivalency on issues that really aren't. like racism, domestic violence. there is usually one side you can pick on those kind of issues. the other problem is this is a president who stands accused of multiple women of being sexually inappropriate. he has to be carefully as he wades into this me too environment.

he can't say men against women are terrible. people would say why are you in office. he's doing a fine dance. he's mad about the comments about him being brutal with porter because rob porter made his administration look bad and made him look back. i think that's the problem. i don't think it's so much that he's angry at the black eye as much as he's angry at john kelly, why didn't you get rid of this guy sooner? why did we fub up how we were going to talk about this guy? >> a couple thoughts. one, this is yet another example of this republican administration not being able to get out of its own way, right? you opened up with they have to talk about daca, they have to talk about the infrastructure. we're not going to talk about that now. we're going to talk about this. and everything that my colleagues have said i agree with. i used to count kellyanne among my closest friends. i was at her wedding. we're 12 days apart. we grew up together, south jersey. i could go on and on. not that i don't still love her as a friend. >> we've all worked for her in many years in different ways. >> it's hard to watch this evolution of this person that i

knew so well and this morning i, while i was heartened she said she has no reason not to believe the women and that she is appalled by this conduct, she still backed up the president's ridiculous position and not addressing what many people asked her, which is why has president he said anything about the victims. to me, to your point, i think he said privately i've seen reporting that he doesn't like this me too movement at all. and he wouldn't, right? >> i'm glad you bring that up because just out tonight we have this from jennifer willoughby, the ex-wife of rob porter. she writes on time.com, on friday a friend and i watched as the president of the united states sat in the oval office and praised the work of my ex-husband rob porter, and wished him future success. i can't say i was surprised. but when donald trump repeated twice that rob declared his innocence, i was floored. my friend turned to me and said, the president of the united states just called you a liar.

ultimately this is not a political issue. it is a societal issue and the tone has just been reset by the white house. if the most powerful people in the nation do not believe my story of abuse in the face of overwhelming evidence, then what hope do others have of being heard? >> that's where i was going with this. the president, once again, he's just getting it wrong. and it's sending a message to young men, to young women that this is just not something we take serious. i think general kelly needs to go. he's needed to go since he attacked fredrik rick a wilson and he called immigrants lazy and get off their as like you said. he's got problems. he's out of touch. this is the grumpy old white men's club if i can say that. it's just their last stand of how they're dealing with issues in america that they don't want to deal with. >> sometimes we do have to step back and say to yourself, are we actually sort of in a debate about whether it's okay to hit your wife. >> absolutely. >> i know we're not there, but -- >> but it's a conversation we never expected to be having.

>> this is so black and white. we have a picture of a woman's face battered by a man. and for this administration to be able to say publicly, the president to be able to say publicly, well, he's a good guy. it's just so unfathomable in a weird way. >> isn't that what makes you not a good guy? >> it makes you a bad human being. >> it also says if your husband punches you in the face you better have a photo. there are so many women that aren't going to have a photo and are going to need to be believed. this president is saying -- >> robert porter did not have a security clearance, full-time security clearance precisely because of these allegations. they knew this. we know that john kelly knew this. we know that don mcgahn, the white house counsel, knew this because they couldn't get this man full security. so, did they need the photo evidence to finally turn on the guy? >> is that the case? >> absolutely. the white house didn't believe this until that photo. and it wasn't just john kelly defending rob porter. sarah huckabee sanders probably the most high profile woman in

the white house, the press secretary issued a statement praising his character as well. >> wow. >> but the irony here is the person who handled this in that presidential leadership moment, the best is probably the vice-president who is half a world away in south korea. >> and says nothing about it. >> who knew nothing about it but when asked about the situation, he said there is zero tolerance in the white house or in this country for domestic violence and those are words we've never heard president trump say. >> very significant contrast. thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. we have a packed show still to come. just ahead, republican senator james langford, he broke from other fiscal hawks in his party by actually voting against adding billions in spending. he joins us live. and 2020 vision, julian castro says he has every interest in are noting for president in 2020. "kasie d.c." back after this. the tissue test? yep, and my teeth are yellow. i mean i knew they weren't perfect, but, ugh. oh well, all hope is lost!

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welcome back to "kasie d.c." tomorrow there is going to be a rare free for all on the senate floor as senators put out their immigration plans. a republican group is unveiling one plan tonight to address border security and ensure the future of so-called dreamers. joining me now to talk more about that is senator james langford, republican of oklahoma. senator, thanks very much for being here tonight. i appreciate it. >> you bet, glad to do it, kasie. >> you, sir, and other senators

in the senate have pulled together a plan that you are releasing tonight you say hits on the four pillars that the white house has laid out. is this essentially the white house plan? and can you walk us through what you're proposing? >> yeah, the best we can determine this is trying to work with the white house to determine what is a white house compromise. they listened to all voices the past many months. we're trying to form a compromise with them and pull from voices from everybody in the whole process. this outlines the four pillars the president has talked about. deals with border security, and it actually gives citizenship which some said president trump wouldn't agree to but he has been outspoken to say 1.8 milli 1.8 million dreamers under this proposal would get citizenship in the process. it deals with some issues, though, that come up as well as. issues about diversity lottery, the to sipolicies we have to de with. people don't understand there is a 20-year backlog for the family reunification process when 1.8

people are add that's going to make it a 25, 30 year backlog and continue to make this more difficult. we're trying to resolve multiple issues in once that all happen. >> one issue that has become a particular flash point is the issue of children who come here unaccompanied, unaccompanied minors. and this bill would change the policy and give the department of homeland security more leeway to send unaccompanied children back to where they came from. is that a humane policy? >> so, actually what we're trying to deal with, kasie, there is one policy if they come from cuba. another policy if they come from honduras. another policy if they come from canada or mexico. we're trying to make one consistent immigration policy. we want due process in this and it's a misnomer to say it takes away due process. it absolutely does not. it provides a consistent due process and one of the issues we face is if they come from mexico, they have a due process that takes weeks and returned to their home country.

honduras may be 2 1/2, 3 years for that. we need to find a way to be consistent. every single person gets due process. some are coming for asylum, asylum they should have in this. we want to make sure they are heard, get in front of a judge in a timely for matt and make decisions. >> it seems relatively clear already, senator, this plan is likely to get 60 votes in the senate because democrats seem unlikely to support it. there have been conversations among your colleagues about a more limited proposal around this in the event that a broader bill can't pass. could you potentially support a more limited solution that addresses status for daca children as well as some border security, but doesn't enact these broader reforms? >> i could not actually because all of them actually are connected. as i mentioned before, when you add 1.8 million people in the process, this takes a 20-year backlog to probably a 30-year backlog and continues to accelerate an ongoing process. some of these issues have been around a long time and they've just not been partisan issues. they were in the 2013 bill.

in 1995, congresswoman barbara jordan, democrat that was leading up a group looking at immigration in 1995, made these same proposals on family reunification and skills-based. these are not new ideas. they're something that have been examined a very long time with a lot of hearings and we just think they absolutely go together. >> i notice, senator, that you are using the phrase family reunification. the white house has been using the phrase chain migration. do you think the white house should be talking about this the way you are? >> i think there's multiple ways to do tchlts again, chain migration of late has become a toxic word. it wasn't a toxic phrase in 2008 when the gang of 8 used the term chain migration. of late some say they don't like the term. the real issue is how do we handle family reunification and make sure this works not only for the american people but for the families as well. >> there are some conservatives who have labelled this path to citizenship that's in this bill for daca recipients and dreamers, even people who have not applied for that status, as amnesty. do you see this as amnesty?

>> i don't see it as amnesty. it is an area the president has moved on significantly over the past year as well. the reason i'll say it'sness at this, these are individuals that came as minors. as often you hear the phrase, if someone has pulled over for speeding, the ticket goes to the driver not the 4-year-old sitting in the back seat. this was the child that was in the back seat literally in the situation. they were brought in the country, they lived in the country, they pledge allegiance to the flag, they know english, they're educate ed in our schools. they have jobs, they're in the military or in our colleges now. these are folks that don't know any other country. the disadvantage they have, their parents grew up in another country. these individuals grew up in our country and they could be very productive parts of our society. i don't see any reason to hold that back from them. so this is something that has been an ongoing issue for the white house. they have been very clear they want to be able to move on this. >> senator, i want to switch gears just for a moment because you also a member of the senate intelligence committee and you have by all accounts been

playing a key role in the report we know the committee is preparing on interference by the russians in the 2016 elections, in reparation for the midterm elections coming up. can you give us an update on the status of that report? and weigh in on the reports we have this week about voter rolls actually being penetrated by the russians. >> yes, let me give you several things on this. one of the things i've been working in a bipartisan way to get an election security bill, there is absolutely no question the russian s were trying to interfere in our elections in 2016. they were in different states probing systems, they blocked in oklahoma the state i'm from, they probed it and weren't able to get in. other states they were able to get in. they weren't able to change votes, but look at voter rolls and voter systems. we should be aware of that. i have a bipartisan bill to work through how do we encourage dhs and mandate their cooperation with our states. states still run election. we have more interaction. in the meantime we just had a hearing last week with dhs where

we drilled them what are they doing right now. and i can tell you they are very engaged on this. they are meeting with the states. they are getting information. they're getting background security clearances. they are aggressively going after the preparation to be able to protect our elections that are coming up in the next few months now. so that's important. on top of all that, we do have a larger report that we've got to get done from the senate intelligence committee. it's been our focus from the beginning to be a bipartisan supported report we are now trying to put out individual republican or democrat reports. let's put it out together and say here are the facts that we've got. the best that we can put out in an unclassified method to let people see the whole of what has happened and what we think should happen in the days ahead to be able to protect our system. >> and that report is on track for the end of the month? >> i wish i could tell you it's for the end of the month. every time we start going through the editing process we find one more person we need to be able to visit with. this has happened several months. i thought we would have it in by the end of last year. there are additional people we need to connect with and interview. we're doing it as fast as we can and working as much as possible

as we can across party lines. i think it is important not just for the president, but for the presidency that this is done right and i think it's also exceptionally important that people see nonpartisan as much as possible report coming out because this deals with elections that is already a partisan issue. quite frankly free and fair elections should not be a partisan issue. >> finally, senator, i have to ask you before you go, you voted against this budget deal. do you think that the republican party still has room for fiscal conservatives? >> i think it does have room for fiscal conservatives. but we are waving a flag. we have got to deal with a rising budget. five years ago we said deficits are going down. in 2017 they are going to start aggressively ticking up because some of the spending was actually put out into the future where we are seeing that now and plus there's been disaster relieve obviously well over $100 billion this year, disaster relief for major hurricanes and fires and such which is needed, but we've also got to be able to deal with fiscal realities we

have. this will be the hard part for us in the days ahead. spending more is not a problem in washington. spending less is the challenge. but for the future of the nation, we've got to be able to do it and do it well in a bipartisan way. >> senator james lank ford, thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still to come. >> the person most responsible for this spending bill is the speaker of the house. just a few years ago he was viewed as the fiscal -- the leader of fiscal responsibility in our party and now he presides over a bill that increases spending $300 billion, a trillion dollar deficit. when we were so poised to win this fight, of course he's got problems. >> the shutdown lasted just a few hours, but the long-term damage to both parties and their leaders could last much longer. we're back after this. ♪

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tonight the government is open, that is not news. but republicans made a bipartisan deal to dramatically expand spending. while they control both houses of congress and the white house. and democrats' leadership, well, that's a whole other story. let's start with the headline, too good to be true, mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer finding a day.

it funds the military, undoing the sequestration, resolves children's health care for four more years, provides disaster relief to hard hit parts of the country, but it also adds billions in spending and raises the debt ceiling through 2019. it was all going according to plan, but one man had other ideas. >> don't you remember when republicans held to high him enthat president obama was spending us into the gutter, spending us into oblivion, and now republicans are doing the same thing. how come you were against president obama's deficits and then how come you're for republican deficits? isn't that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty? when the democrats are in power, republicans appear to be the conservative party. but when republicans are in power, it seems there is no conservative party. >> i think it's an understatement to say his

colleagues were upset with them for forcing them to vote at 2:00 in the morning. he hooz a point. the massive tax cut will add $1.2 trillion to the debt. it is the same point they made when they were swept into power eight years ago in 2010. >> only in america are you ever given a second chance. >> i have been chosen by the people of indiana to stop reckless spending. >> i think the american people grew frustrated with run away federal spending and a tone deaf washington, d.c., really under both political parties. >> we have a great opportunity here to demonstrate that we are responding to what the american people clearly would like for us to do. cut the spending, cut the debt. >> get spending and debt under control. >> they were screaming out loud, stop the spending. >> i heard families tell me as they sat across the kitchen table they were struggling to keep their budget together. they said, why don't you all do that, too? >> every single one of the people you just saw who are

still in elected office voted for the bill to increase spending. by the way, we haven't gotten to the president's $1.5 trillion infrastructure plan yet. that comes out tomorrow. joining me now is politico magazine's tim alberta. tim, you have spent a lot of time with one mr. boehner, the former speaker of the house of representatives who essentially cracked this deal on his way out the door and now republicans cut a deal to get rid of these spending caps. can you help us put this in perspective, how big of a shift is this for republicans? >> really important to contextual ize all of this. in the house when this budget bill passed, when the funding bill passed, you had 167 republicans voting for it, roughly three quarters of the conference. to think about specifically the 2010 class that you were referencing a minute ago, when these folks came in there were 87 fresh house republicans. many of them have left the congress. of those that remain more than 30 voted in favor of this budget bill. >> that's right here, this is

what you tweeted, the list of the 2010 republicans? >> yes. thank you for the free promotion. many of these folks who voted for the bill were same folks who eight years ago were screaming from the high heavens about reckless spending, fiscal irresponsibility and what made the 2010 wave feel so unique for those of us who covered t those of us who remembered it were these folks running for office were not distancing themselves from the democratic party. they were distancing themselves from george w. bush and the old republican party. that's what made 2010 feel like a watershed. they said if you give us a chance we will be a different kind of republican party, conservatives first, republicans second. they have now had an opportunity to show with a unified government whether they were willing to stay true to that and this bill more than anything else we've seen thus far demonstrates the sort of intellectual dishonesty rand paul was speaking about from the senate floor. >> sam, can i ask you about mitch mcconnell in particular? he is somebody who is extraordinarily politically astute typically. i remember standing, you know,

at the senate news conferences asking him are you ever going to vote for or agree to anything that lifts these caps? and he would always say, under no circumstances will i ever do that. and then you saw him this week saying, oh, actually, this is a great deal. >> i mean, this was and tim can correct me because he knows this stuff. this was a big talking point during the latter obama years they put these caps in place. it's trillions of dollars of spending that was going to be used over the course of a decade. that was a sure sign they were committed to deficit reduction, even under a democratic president. of course the skeptics said as soon as obama got out of office you're going to go back on your word and they have. what's crazy is it's all backward from a stimulus standpoint. you want the spending, at a time when the economy is not doing well. it can be stimulative when you have high unemployment. what we're getting is $1.5 trillion tax cuts, hundreds of billions in more spending at a time when we have full employment. if you ask any economist if this

makes sense they would say no, it doesn't. >> i'm going to ask our producing team to put this poll that was on the screen back up because i want to underscore this point, too. this is part of what mcconnell is reflecting. what you're looking at is how many americans think that reducing our budget deficit should be a top priority. and the trend line is going down and away from this. quite frankly, yamiche, this president is somebody who called himself the king of debt. i mean, it doesn't -- it seems as though this may be yet another example of, you know, a party that believes one thing, running into some trouble with the president that believes something else. >> yeah. the issue is that the president is the one that's going to be -- i think there was a lot of question whether or not president trump was going to be someone who was going to lead the republican party. we're far gone. he has taken over the party. he is obviously driving this. i remember stories we wrote at "the new york times" where we were saying donald trump is running to the left of hillary clinton in some ways. the idea he's going to ask for trillions of dollars in

infrastructure, the idea that he wants to spend trillions of dollars on all these different things explains to you why he's a different kind of republican. and the fact they also paid for this or they voted for this tax cut shows you that these republicans are really about what makes them look good. and the idea is i think that donald trump as long as he wants it, he might get it from this republican party. >> tim, how much of this do you think is about -- we have heard whisperings at least -- not even whisperings. we heard paul ryan say we have to tackle entitlements in order to do this and that is something i want to do. mcconnell said we're not going to do that this year. is that kind of what this is about? is it setting the stalge, puttig the pressure there to do something bigger >> in paul ryan's fantasy world. to yamiche's point, from 30,000 feet fiscal restraint, much less specifically rolling back entitlement programs. he was very specific on the campaign trail about not touching medicare, medicaid, social security. that would represent an enormous

broken promise. the control act, and republicans especially during the early years of the obama administration made such a fuss out of making sure that they were trying to reduce federal spending and, in fact, part of boehner's legacy that is probably under appreciated, there were subsequent years, consecutive years where spending went down. i think now when you have a unified republican government for anybody on the hill like speaker ryan or leader mcconnell to say, well, look, guys, our hands are tied, we're working with a president who doesn't care about the debt, about the deficit, about entitlements, it's disingenuous. we heard about perks and how they were going to hold the democratic executive branch -- >> to rand paul's point. >> yes. there is an enormous disconnect between the receipts rick and the policy. >> quickly, last word. >> i think rand paul is dead on. the republicans are spending like a bunch of drunken sailors. as the republican on the panel i can tell you my conservative horns come out on this.

we are spending ourselves into a problem for the next generation of americans. i don't know how we're going to get them out of this kind of debt. i don't know what's going to happen to social security and other programs if we don't begin to tighten our belt, just like we have to do in our homes. it's a problem. >> we should mention this to mitch mcconnell and speaker paul ryan who said on this deal. sophia nelson, thank you so much. when we come back, we have former hud secretary julian castro joining me live. we're going do ask him if there are any direct flights from san antonio to new hampshire. as we talk about a 2020 democratic field that is starting to take shape. >> i want to ask you a question straight out. flat out, i want to you give me an honest answer. >> any chance you would be a candidate in 2020? >> i've gotten more than i can say grace over right now. and in terms of dealing with the russia investigation -- >> i'm not hearing no. >> that's a different tact than saying you want to run for the big job. >> so, is that a no, you're not running for president in 2020? >> i'm going to finish the year

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might accidentally end up in new hampshire. how many months out from the 2020 primary are we? what are your future plans? >> i have no idea. i'm not counting, kasie. >> i don't believe you. >> yeah, i'm looking forward to getting out to manchester on friday at the invitation of the new hampshire young democrats. as you know, i'm focused in 2018 on supporting young progressive democrats that are running across the country, and new hampshire young democrats have actually done a fantastic job of recruiting candidates and building a lot of enthusiasm out there. so, i'm looking forward to joining them on friday. >> so, mr. secretary, i covered both bernie sanders and hillary clinton in the 2016 election, and clearly hillary clinton won by a wide margin. but there was a distinct difference in how many people came out to see bernie sanders and the excitement level in the

crowds. what do you think that bernie sanders did right that hillary clinton missed in 2016 that is going to be applicable to 2020? >> i wouldn't say that hillary missed anything, but there's no question that there was a lot of enthusiasm among young people for senator sanders. to his credit, he did a fantastic job of resonating with young voters. some of that undoubtedly had to do with the substance of his message. he was talking about medicare for all, universal health care. >> do you support -- >> free college. i do. we should work for medicare for all. we should push as hard as we can for it. there's no reason that in this, the wealthiest nation on earth, that not every american has access to good health care. just today i read an article about an insurance director, former insurance director of aetna out in california that

admitted under oath in a deposition that he wouldn't even look at patient records before making a decision as to whether to accept or deny coverage. >> sir -- >> so, i agree we should work toward that. >> hillary clinton argued against this on the campaign trail because she essentially said bernie sanders had no plan to pay for medicare for all. who is right, is medicare for all a feasible policy? >> i think that we can work toward that. and, you know -- >> you're saying work toward it. >> democrats should work toward it. and at least work toward a public option because we need something that both lowers the costs of health care and also provides coverage to everybody. >> sam stein has a question for you. >> hi, mr. secretary. >> hey, sam. >> you've been refreshingly open you are considering a run, so thank you for your honesty. and i know we're not going to get much more out of you than that, but i'm curious, regardless of whether you decide to do it or not, do you think

the party, the democrat party, that is, is well suited to have someone run in 2020 who can match donald trump's star power, or do you subscribe to the idea that presidential elections are reactive events, that there is a reason barack obama followed george w. bush, and a reason donald trump followed barack obama? >> i subscribe to your point that we have these swing back elections and not just the last couple of cycles. i think there was a ronald reagan because there was a jimmy carter. there was a barack obama, in part, of course he was super talented and a great candidate, but it was a reaction to george bush. and unfortunately donald trump was a reaction to barack obama. i believe that the next democratic nominee and likely president in some ways, is going to be a positive reaction to what we've seen with president trump. but i'd separate that out from

the other part of your point, which is that it's going to be some sort of celebrity or somebody that can match donald trump in terms of reality television tactics. i don't think that either in the united states or if you were to start to look at examples of aberrations like donald trump around the world, that you would find instances where you get two of those folks back to back. so, i don't think that that's going to happen. >> so, mark cuban should not make his bid and oprah should think twice, is that what you're saying? >> no, on the contrary. you're going to have a lot of folks running. i expect you'll have between 12 and 15 people. everybody should run because we need robust choices. i'm just saying i think that in the end that the american people are going to turn to a new generation of leadership, and i don't think that it's going to be somebody that comes from reality tv. >> mr. secretary, to that point, do you think democrats might run

into the same issue, though? before the 2016 primary republicans said, hey, we've got this great bench of candidates. look at all this great bench and they all got crushed by now president trump. >> i believe that democrats have been more thoughtful about their candidates. i don't believe that we're going to make the same mistake. i also don't believe that a lot of the dynamics that existed in 2016 in the republican primary and what motivated a lot of that voting exists in the same way in the democratic party and among the base. so, it's going to be a fractured race, no doubt. you're going to have a lot of folks running, but i don't believe that we're going to see the same kind of thing that the republicans saw in 2016. in fact, if you, you know, think about some of the folks that may well run, it's a very talented group of people and these are not people that are unserious or just reactionary or calling

people names or, you know, have -- they're not one-trick ponies and insulting people the way trump did in the 2016 primaries. >> julian castro, stay warm in >> stay warm in new hampshire this week. >> i'll try. >> okay, thank you. still to come, we be will find out there week if we're getting a romney reboot. we're going to look ahead to his announcement for the senate landscape next.

the political world will reassemble around mitt romney this week. he is set to make an announcement about a potential run for senate in utah. politico of course had reported that president trump urged senator or en hatch to stick around and keep his seat. last week, hatch himself met with romney to convince him to run. i told him i would probably retire and i would like him to succeed me. you're veterans of air force one. it seems like the one thing that's driving this is for him to be an elder statesman, especially for those who have lost the voice of john mccain as he recovers. and it seems like in romney's

view, that's a role hi thie thie the step into. >> i think once he gets here, he's going to already have a national platform, he'll be given special attention in the senate sort of the way john mccain is, who was a party nominee in the past. and i think he's going to look for ways to pass trump himself. i think he is going to find ways to work with trump and agree where trump when there's agreement. >> paul ryan has made noises about potentially leaving, doesn't seem to be particularly happy in washington, doesn't seem to be necessarily a place where people who come from the older school, the republican party want to be, sam. why would romney want to do this? >> i don't know. he's not young, that's the thing, he looks very young, but he's not young, he's in his 70s

and this is going to certainly be the last part of his career. in romney in this case is paul ryan is looking at being in the minority in 2018, and grappling with what reduced powers he will have at that tsajuncture and ths a caucus that's not particularly easy to corral. mitt will go in and it seems likely he could have some influence in that sense. >> we have to leave it there, just ahead, dnc chairman tom perez joins us, and back to the drawing board, we're going to talk to one of the few members of congress who's actually red the controversial house memos. we'll ask him when and if the democratic version will come out. our philadelphia eagles

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it wasn't just the stock market that experienced wild swings this week. president trump tweeting saturday that people's lives are being shattered by a mere allegation? >> some are true, some are false, some are old and some are kne new.

>> if you have ever been to family court with with he said and she said. these things are very, very complicated. if your cameraman came to you, you probably would give him the president of the doubt. >> i think the president's been shaped by a lot of false allegations in the past. >> we have to talk to kelly about what he knew. >> is chief of staff kelly's job in jeopardy? >> no. >> chief of staff of the the of the united states, do you want that job? >> i don't believe general kelly's job is in jeopardy. >> he has absolute confidence in john kelly. >> do you have faith in john kelly tonight, sir? >> that they could have handled the situation better is a bit of an understatement. >> welcome back to the second hour of kcdc. with emany on set, former white

house secretary josh ernest, and sam stein, white house correspondent for pbs news hour and msnbc contributor, and republican strategist and principal at cogen strategies. how glad are you not to have the white house secretary job this week? >> i'm glad to be here with you. let's talk a little bit about, we have been talking about these threads kind of all show, for john kelly, i mean what is on the line for him right now? can he survive this based on what you know about what it's like to be in the white house? i'm not sure the white house you served is in entirely comparable to this one anymore. it's a little different. >> it's difficult to draw a lot of direct comparisons, but i think you can read some tea leaves. i think the fact that the chief of staff had to call a committee

meeting for how he handled the rob porter situation, is an indication that mr. kelly himself is feeling rather on thin ice. in part because we're starting to see the kinds of leaks and back biting among the white house staff that we saw frankly throughout reince priebus's tenure, that prompted all those questions about how long he was going to last. >> josh, i have a question for you. and i know your white house is not comparable to this, there was no one leaving to do reality tv, except for axelrod. >> how about the offers i turned down? >> let's say there was a bombshell story that buzz goiwa to come out about a top aid and it's at night, how does the white house go about handling that story from an operational standpoint. you're the press secretary, you know this is coming, what do you

do? >> the first thing you have to do is you want to collect all the facts that you k and there's always going to be in this situation some doubts, there are going to be some things that you don't know, but what you do want to do and certainly the advantage of being in the white house is you've got access to lots of information, you want to put everybody in one place and get everybody around the stable, you want to be decisive, you want to make a decision and draw a line in the stand and say this is what we're going to do, this is how we're going to handle it, and that is not at all how these white house handled it. tuesday night there are a couple of on the record statements, the photos come out later. wednesday there are varying explanations about whether he worked there or not. this is a crisis that careened through the week. that's one thing you want to avoid, you want to be decisive

and get ahead of it. >> how this administration handled the fallout, this is how sarah huckabee sanders firsth d firsthandled it on wednesday. >> this is one that he made only hiss own. >> and here's principal deputy secretary rod shaw the following day, saying that porter was, quote, terminated. >> the white house had said yesterday that porter's decision to leave was a perm onsonal one. that wasn't pressured to do so, so would rob porter still be on the job today as he had not decided to row resign? >> rob porter's last day was yesterday, i know he came earlier to clear out his stuff. >> we all could have done better during the last few days, in

dealing with the situation, but you know, this is a rob porter that i and many others have dealt with, that sarah dealt with, including other chiefs of staff had dealt with, and emerging reports are not reflective of the individual we had come to know. >> president trump was reportedly unhappy with that admission from shaw, that the staff could have done better. i can't even sort through all of it myself, the differing stories. >> it's hard to watch, as a staffer, you go into a crisis situation, the first thing you need to do is collect the facts and get everyone on the same page as to what's going on. so out of the gate, it was bound to fail. so every single time they make things worse. they need to bring everyone back into a room and like josh said do a reboot. they need to be transparent with

it. as a former staffer, it's painful to watch. >> kevin, what it does seem like, and i agree with your assessment. but it does seem they're more interested in protecting rob porter, they're not interested in proetecting the white house. >> one things i would say, is that's exactly what you have when you have a white house that has different factions in it. these are not trump people, they're old obama people, or they're old bush people, but whoever they are, they're not trump people. >> i talked to someone who's familiar with the white house staffers, and they say that staffers are really upset that john kelly went out and defended rob porter and then walked it back. that makes them feel like the administration really bungled this. this is john kelly, who cut off everyone's access, who said he

was going to be able to right the ship and now he's essentially messing up. the white house, even as it's saying we could have done better, which is uncharacteristic of anything we have heard from the white house, this might be his first press briefing, but it might be his last after saying that. but they said we were defending the rob porter that we came to know. we thought that he was a really nice guy, we don't know that he purged him in t punched women in the face. >> i think it's an uncurvebaomfe thing that we need to throw out here, one of the those is that that -- for the first time that i can recall in my reporting afternoon this white house, people are upset with hope hicks openly. i had talked to people who said no way she should have recuesed

herself because this is not a conflict of interest. i have even talked to people who said she needed to be fire because of it. it is an obvious component here. >> i talked to her on the phone and she wouldn't say no, but there's this idea that she also wouldn't defend herself. she just kept saying i can't talk, i can't talk, so that means she felts painted in a corner. >> she has always had a gracious and graceful presence in the white house during the trump campaign. but thing that i do want to mention, because he has managed to first of all some of the right things about this, but also remarkably stay above the fray and that is vice president mike pence who was overseas at the olympics when the scandal surrounding rob porter was unfolding back here in washington. we realized that this isn't the first time that the vice president has been out of town

during a rcrisis for the administration. the last time was during the government shutdown--when the president was blaming both sides during a trump conference in trump tower, pence was in south america. there were times when the vice president may not have been out of town but was out of the loop. michael flynn reportedly said the was -- pence he was in charge of the transition said he found out in march, and after flynn misled the president about sanctions against the ambassador, white house aides were briefed on trump's lie. lucky for us, "washington post" reporter ashley parker traveled

with the vice president, friend of the show, after he said he had just found out about the porter allegations. >> you often seem a little bit out of the loop on some of this major news. >> it's a great honor for me to serve as vice president. president trump has been incredibly generous for the opportunities he's giving me to serve. i'm very grateful to that, but we'll leave those white house staffing matters for when we get back to washington. >> vice president mike pence -- >> always on message. >> skating. >> that was a great question. >> i think it says more about how much there ee's crises than mike pence's travel. >> but in serious, though, he does, and i have noticed how very aggressively behind the scenes people who support the vice president are quick to make sure that we are all aware that he is not part of this.

he has managed to walk a line that i feel like a lot of other people have not been able to walk, which is to be seen as someone who's utterly loyal to the president which are things that could follow him into his political career. >> mike pence may have an opportunity, he wants to enjoy the benefits of the power and authority and prestige of being the vice president of the united states. without being sullied by his close attachment to president dru trump. it's not that complicated. >> if you look back at joe biden's portfoliportfolio. he had a massive portfolio, i don't know what's in mike pence's portfolio. >> foreign travels. >> i would say he's not the first vice president who's tried to use the office of vice president to stay away from what

his colleague or president might know. i just think he's doing a great job and i know that a lot of people in republican campaigns want mike pence with them in campaigning for them. he helps with the base, he helps in fundraising. you know, we have a senate race in indiana who's very competitive. we hope to make very competitive and pence is going to be very involved there. >> one thing too, it does seem that he's been very close to the koch brothers for example, and kind of that committee of business leaders who have been advising the republican party. the fact that they almost seem to ignore the fact that donald trump was president. they talked about mike pence quite a bit, they're focused on tax cuts and all of these things, but in some ways, it's almost, i feel like he the shadow head of the shadow republican party. >> i don't think you see trump

necessarily embracing it or vice versa. so there still is the power of the white house for all the reasons in a midterm election, with all of the bad that comes with the white house, there's a lot of good that comes from the white house. and you've got to look at it in an environment that republicans are looking at. so you have to look at the positives with the negatives. coming up, we continue our series on the historic wave of women running for elected office, with dr. kelly ward of arizona. plus crackles of discontent turn into cracks in the democratic party. dnc chair tom perez has his work cut out for him. he joins me live on set. this photo of senator john cornyn's cat, he runs a great instagram feed, he writes, buddy didn't like that we were traveling this weekend. pl plus, please tweet us pictures of your dogs and cats watching

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. we made a decision to show this, and we're not showing the white house press briefing, i would like people to tweet me and tell me about how you think of that. and here's history in the making, i could watch it over and over and over again. and you know? we're tempted to say that stuff's easy but that's really, really hard and today makes history. what a week for house minority leader nancy pelosi. as lawmakers worked to pass a bipartisan budget agreement, pelosi voted against a measure that she helped to negotiate because it didn't contain a protection for dhaka.

decemb meanwhile, connor lamb has said he will not support pelosi and is calling for new leadership in both parties. republicans are still trying to tie him to pelosi with ads like this one, as they look to the playbook that they used against john ossof down in georgia. mr. chairman, thank you so much for being here tonight. very much appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> let's start with, you tweeted a week ago, go, nancy, go. but all of all the things that you can do to try to effect policy, marathon speeches on the floor is not effective. are they trying to make their democratic base believe that

they're fighting for hthese dac kids? >> president trump eliminated daca, he created this crisis, an opportunity for republicans to take a hostage and it's democrats that continue to fight for a clean dream act and we'll continue to fight for a clean dream act. am i frustrated at the outcome, absolutely, and my biggest challenge is arithmetic, we need more democrats in the house, we need more democrats in the senate and that's why i'm working every day to lead the democrats into the presidency. >> that's beyond the current population of people that's protected by daca. do you think democrats should turn away from that? because some of the other mon proposals in this bill are just too difficult for you to swallow? i mean, do you think you can turn your back on that? >> i mean the proposal that they

put forth, first of all, it's important to put forth that the president has put forth many proposals. >> let's go with the four pillars. let's talk about that. >> it's the proposal du jour. if your goal is to help the economy, it does just the opposite. this bill that they have proposed, it reminds me of like the chinese exclusion act of the late 19th century, this is proposing to limit legal immigration in ways that we haven't seen forever, and in all that will hurt workers, then they'll bring in guest workers to undercut u.s. workers, that proposal is a nonstarter, it's part of hostage taking, president obama fought and implemented a number of border security measures during the obama administration that reduced immigration into the united states along the mexican

border, they're common sense measures that you can do. do what you can do and do a clean dream act. 90% of people support a clean dream act, it's the right and moral thing to do, but this administration is morally bankrupt. >> when president trump caused the shutdown and then continued to -- >> i wish we could have gotten more on the deal, but we do have something that begins tomorrow that we didn't have a month ago or whenever the government reopened the first time as a result of the trump shut down. again, we are beginning the debate on the dream act, and that's something we didn't have. what we have this week that we didn't have a week ago, is we have funding for democratic p prioritie priorities, making sure that we're giving additional health care to veterans.

>> should they have voted yet on this daca deal? >> if i were in the house or the senate, i would have voted against the bill, but that's tom perez speaking, but what we have to is keep fighting for the dream act, and what which have now in the senate is an opportunity to debate it. and i hope we will pass a bipartisan version of a clean dream act, and we have to make sure that paul ryan puts it up for a vote. immigration over the last few years, the house of representatives has been the graveyard for bipartisan immigration reform. i was working in the administration, 2013 to 2014, when a bipartisan deal passed the house, that was comprehensive that would have grown the economy. >> passed the senate. >> passed the senate, excuse me, it garnered substantial bipartisan support and john boehner refused to bring it up. the tea party is holding the republican party hostage. the party of lincoln is dead. paul ryan needs to kper si exere

moral leadership here, he keeps talking a mean game about allowing votes on the dream act but then he backs off. so i have little faith in him right now that he's going to followthrough. but our job as democrats is to work like heck to make sure we hold them it caccountable. >> do you think there's people who support -- >> i'm a big fan of joe manchin. and we have worked hard to support joe manchin's re-election campaign. and joe manchin has done more to enact health care reform than any other congressman. >> he has been opposed by some democrats because he is anti abortion and votes that way, is there room for anti abortion democrats? >> there's a very spirited debate in that particular race,

and so the one thing i have learned from watching presidential politics is that when the dnc gets involved in the primaries -- >> he's an incumbent. >> again, one thing i have learned from primaries in the past, is that when the dnc gets involved in those races, we sometimes get accused of trying to put the thumb on the scale one over another. so that's one of those races where we will see what happens. and again, i think it's really important for the dnc moving forward. we're building the infrastructure to ensure that whoever wins that race will be able to win in november. >> tom perez, thank you very much. still to come, congressman gerald madler, then american skies got duped to the tune of $100,000 trying to recover cyber weapons.

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let's turn now to a new york tiles repo times report that reads more like a spy novel. the paper reports a shadowy russian bilked american spies out of $100,000 last year, in a deal that he insisted would also include a -- the cash, delivered in a suitcase to a berlin hotel room in september was intended

as the first installment of a $1 million payout. nbc's jeff bennett is live for us at the white house. this is an insane story and the president has now seized on it. can you explain what's going on? >> the "new york times" and the intercepts, casie, are out with these got to h. >> wanted to pass along what the russian says was video of an unverified incident in a moscow hotel room involving president trump. according to to the reporting, u.s. intelligence couldn't verify the man on the video as

actually being mr. trump and they suspected they might be getting set up by the russian government. the cia has dismissed the reporting calling it fictional, but president trump has seized on it, especially the detail that the democratic officials may have wanted to dig up dirt on. the asking price was $10 million brought down to $1 million to be paid over time. i hope people are now seeing and understanding what is going on here, it is all now starting to come out, drain the swamp. and now a fox news story about senator mark warner, the top democrat on the -- with the lobbyist to set up a meeting with christopher steele, the guy behind the dossier. secrecy seemed very important to warner and that the senator didn't want a paper trail.

president trump back on twitter, writes this, wow, senator mark warner got caught having extensive contact for the lobbyist for the russian oligar oligarch, he didn't want a meeting in london, he requested from steele of fraudulent dossier fame tied into hillary clinton. warner's outreach to steele is said to be done in keeping with the intelligence committee. but this entire episode is emblematic of the ways in which president trump's narrative that will support a deep state conspiracy that seeks to undermine him. >> thanks very much. i really appreciate it. thank you. meanwhile house intelligence democrats are going back to the drawing board to try and get their response to the nunez memo

released. i spoke to congressman gerald badl madler who has actually read the fisa court material. i want to start with the democratic memo. the white house says there need to be further reactions here in order for this memo to be released to the public. do you buy that? >> it's difficult to buy, remember, adam schiff asked the fbi and the department of justice two weeks ago to do whatever necessary redactions are necessary to protect sources for security. that should have been done by now. and remember the president was perfectly willing to -- he released the republican nunez memo when the fbi and the department of justice was saying it was materially misleading and very dangerous to release. but he did that without going through the redactions or without even paying attention to them apparently, and without even having read it. i'm concerned that the

president, in the guise of looking for sources are just going to blank out the portions that show how deliberately misleading the nunez memo was and portions that he doesn't want politically. certainly anything the fbi or the justice department don't want, they have had plenty of time to make that clear. >> i want to ask you about the other story we have been covering tonight and that is rob porter, and the accusations of domestic violence, his two wives coming out with this evidence. the white house says he never received the full security clearance at the white house, and this process is how we learned about much of this in the first place. i'm wondering, should democrats retake the house and you have control of the gavel at the judiciary committee, would you want to investigate for example some of the other white house staffers who still do not have permanent security clearances? >> i think we would want to investigate the situation, i sent the letter to general kelly

the other day asking for information about the people who lack security clearances. jared kushner after a year has only interim security clearance, sebastian groka had only limited security clearance, and this is unsafe. and certainly if the fbi can't give someone a permanent security clearance, they shouldn't be working at the white house. >> congressman, the other one elephant in the room, so to speak, when you received this ranking post on the judiciary committee, was the specter of a possible impeachment in the events that democrats take back the house of representatives. at this stage, are there any preparations under way with your or your staff that would potentially put you in a situation to be ready to investigate the proceedings? >> we would have to see what the mueller comes up with and whether there's good evidence from mueller or from other

sources of impeachment offenses before you would begin to consider that. there's one other thing which i should make really clear. if you're serious about impeaching a president, it cannot and should not be done on a partisan basis, you would have to have at least by the end of the process, buy in from the republicans, or at least a good number of the republicans, for two reasons, number one for the arithmetic, you can impeach a president on a majority vote, which means you need votes from the republicans. but if you're really serious about removing a president from office for high crimes and misdemeanors, you shouldn't do that unless you get an appreciable number of those who voted for him -- we won the election, you stole it from us. you don't want to divide the country that way. if evidence arises of sufficient

gravity to justify impeaching the president, and persuading people, at least by the end of the process, some of the people who voted on the other side, then you consider impeachment, but not before. >> thank you for your time tonight, i really appreciate it. and just ahead, we'll talk about a long shot, long shot candidate for president, he is concerned about the future of automation and whether it will upend the u.s. economy and american politics. does he have a point? that's next. i don't think so. but here we are. i'm packing broiled chicken. he's playing cyclops robot or whatever. ♪ time to steal a little thunder. ♪ that's right, who's the fun one now? made with real cream. reddi-wip. instant greatification. looking for a hotel that fits... made wiwhoooo. cream. ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over...

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the robots are coming, yack warns of great depression level unemployment and he's pushing a monthly $1,000 payment to keep americans above the poverty line. he says i am a capitalist and i i believe that universal basic income is important for capitalism to continue. i pulled that quote out of it partly because typically this universal basic income argument is something we hear from people on the left. but this came at it from the other angle, kind of this argument that, well, if tesla puts out an automated self-driving truck, there's going to be millions of americans out of a job and that's a problem we haven't grappled with. >> and a lot of this profit

proposal really does emanate from silicon valley. and there's even a white come b b come bin natu -- has an ability to go and seek work and keep your job and all that. it does raise a bunch of policy questions and some in the obama administration were skeptical that this would be a policy to pursue, if you believe that government can provide incentives to people, to contribute to the economy, to contribute to the greatness of the country. we recognize in many cases those government programs are inefficient. let's figure out how we can make those government programs work better instead of throwing everybody a 1,0$1,000 check. >> the argument this guy is making is that, okay, we have

president trump because we automated a way 4 million jobs in the u.s. and we didn't think about the consequences. >> anybody in my generation who grew up on christine and maximum overdrive, this is a scary situation for us. i have watched this happen, i have been preparing for it for 30 years, i'm ready for it so i'm terrified about the robotic cars. >> i bought a 1999 corvette this year so it has no electronics in it. >> people are both sides of the aisle are guilty of saying we're going to bring manufacturing jobs back, when they go into places like ohio, they go into michigan and they say this stuff, it's not true. those jobs are gone and they're not coming back, we need to retrain our workforce, i think that's the reason president trump did well in those states, because he spoke truth for folks

even though it didn't sound great for them and their future. >> it was tough for hillary to essentially -- and she did this be bernie sanders, hey, we're telling you what's actually true. >> it is a creative discussion, sort of outside of the usual partisan lanes, about how to confront what is a coming dramatic change to our economy. the way that the economy has worked for the last 50 years is going to be much different 15, 20 years from now. and it is worth a discussion, i don't know that universal basic income is actually the right solution to that, maybe somebody will find a way to taylor it in a way that sort of fits with our broader values about what the government should do and be. but what is missing is a legitimate, creative, forceful discussion that includes people not just those in the tech

sector who are doing well, but those who are not benefiting from a tech first global economy. >> we need to prepare those people who are going to be affected by it, or else it could have a drastic affect on our economy and our future as a country. >> i think it obviously will and has and there's some level of guilt or an attempt to, hey, we're going to try to fix this problem that in some ways is silicon valley caused. >> our focus is somewhat on the short-term and getting congress to focus on a debate that's going to happen 15 or 20 years from now is really, really hard. we faced climate change, only after dealing with the approximate impacts of it, did we start engaging more seriously. hopefully we won't wait that long in dealing with this economic questions too. we're going to continue our look at women running for higher office, dr. kelli ward is live

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a major story line in this age of trump has been women running for higher office. there are three running in what

is perhaps the marquee senate race of the year in arizona. kirsten, martha and kelli ward all running to replace jeff his retirement. republican kelly ward is getting some help from washington this week when rand paul comes out to rally with her, just days after he drove the government into a brief shutdown over the budget deal. joining me now arizona republican senate candidate dr. kelli ward. i want to start with some comments that you made over the summer when you suggested that there should be somebody appointed to replace senator john mccain. do you still believe that's the case? >> i think anybody who's not able to do their job for whatever reason -- you know, we have big work ahead of us in the united states senate and in the

house. if you aren't able to perform, then we should have people there that are doing the job. we've got the america first agenda that we want to accomplish. we want to secure the border, we want to replace obamacare. we want to keep building and growing the economy. we want to make sure we build our military back up to full strength and take care of our veterans. those things can't be done if we don't have people in washington, d.c. to do it. >> you believe that john mccain should step down and a replacement should be appointed? >> i think that anybody who's not able to do their job should step aside and allow the process to continue in washington, d.c. because there is such important work that has to be done. >> i want to ask you about your opponent in the primary martha mcsally who has a lot of pabackg from establishment republicans. do you think that congresswoman mcsally has been supportive of president trump? >> i think she has been since

october 25th. october 24th jeff flake decided not to seek reelection. i was up about 30 points on him in the polls. i think that played into her decision for sure. before that day, really she was not very supportive for president trump unfortunately. she didn't support him for president. she allowed hillary clinton to win her district by five points. now, just like we've seen even with the budget deal, we see a lot of campaign conservatism from people who then go to washington, d.c. and legislate liberally. i think people elected donald trump and they're looking for other candidates that are consistently conservative and want to continue to make america great by keeping us on this great economic path. >> the senate is about to start an immigration debate on monday. what do you think should happen to the kids that are

under daca currently? >> i think we should have a temporary solution for the daca population until we do five things. we have to fund and build the wall. >> you're saying they should be allowed to remain in the country while this wall and these other items are underway? what happens if the president doesn't extend this and congress doesn't pass a daca fix? >> i think this is a manufactured crisis by the democrats. we can simply -- >> it is still a crisis. >> there's really not a crisis. we extend temporary privileges to work and to go to school while we fund and build the wall, eliminate the diversity lottery, end chain migration, defund sanctuary cities and implement e-verify across the board. we have to learn from our mistakes. in 1986 ronald reagan granted amnesty and trusted congress to deliver on border security. it didn't happen then and it

won't happen now. we've got to stand firm on what we've learned in the past. that is that we must secure the border first and foremost before we start talking about any kind of permanent solution. >> how are you doing? >> pretty good. >> good to talk to you. you spent a lot of time talking to the bannon folks of the party. given what's happened to him recently and his lelectoral unsuccess over the past few years, is that the support you want? >> it's unfortunate that steve chose the path that he did of attacking the president and his family. i think that was definitely the wrong way to go. i support donald trump and i support the trump family. i know what it's like to have your family involved on the

campaign and people shooting arrows at them from every direction. it's just the wrong way to go. when people make those kinds of bad decisions, you have to distance yourself. he was never a part of my campaign and he certainly isn't a part now. we are doing very well across the board with even some conservative democrats that, yes, do exist in arizona. they're flocking to our campaign and i think that's why i'll be the next united states senator from the great state of arizona z. coming up next, what to watch for in the week ahead. hat. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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and very quickly before we go, we want to talk about what everyone is watching in the week ahead. >> can the white house stay on message for multiple days? >> i think i can answer that question for you. >> listen, i'm always an optimist. the second thing is thursday u.s. women's hockey team playing canada. we got to bring home. >> team usa. >> josh, what are you looking for? >> we are getting down to the time where those republican members of congress who are sort of debating whether or not they should run for reelection, now we're getting down to a deadline here. the last 72 hours have not been good if you're a wavering republican. a short lived shutdown didn't look good in the headlines, voting for a bill that's going to jack up the deficit and spending your weekend talking

about whether the white house coddled a twice-accused wife beater, not really what you want to be talking about with your campaign message. >> you are running through quite a week. that does it for us tonight on "kasie dc." you have to be aware of your surroundings. you just never know. it started with a frightening horror flick from the '80s. >> the mpremise of the movie is we're going to take some women into the woods and they're going to be hunted down. >> decades later, something truly frightening. it was happening for real. a strange vanishing in the