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good night from nbc headquarters in new york. ♪ it was one year ago today that the trump's white house personnel carousel first fell off its access and started randomly flinging people off into the night. a year ago today, michael flynn, became the shortest lived ever national security advisoradvisor 24 days on the job, he resigns. ever since then, that story has been told that michael flynn is fired. he did not actually get fired. he was allowed to resign. that detail was easy to remember when you look back at how
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president trump talked about flynn at the time. >> michael flynn, general flynn, is a wonderful man, he's been treated unfairly by the media. as i call it the fake media in many cases. i think it is a sad thing that he was treated so badly. i think it is very, very unfair what's happening to general flynn the way he was treated, very, very unfair. >> clearly this was not a president who had just fired michael flynn. michael flynn was allowed to resign. the president said so himself awkwardly standing next to benjamin netanyahu as today police announced that he could be indicted on charges. the president made that clear himself and it was made clear on one excruciating white house's press briefing right after flynn's departure.
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>> good afternoon. >> happy valentine's day, i can sense the love in the room. when the president heard the information presented by white house's council, he thought general flynn did not do anything wrong. >> back in january, the president said that nobody in his campaign had been in touch with the russians. today, can you still say definitively that nobody on the trump campaign and not even general flynn had any contact with the russians before the election. >> my understanding is what general flynn has now expressed during the transition period, we were very clear of the transition period, he did speak with the ambassador. >> i am talking about during the campaign. >> there is nothing that would conclude or anything that's different has changed with respect to that time period. >> there is nothing that would conclude me. mike flynn resigned a year ago today, that was the press briefing and that was held a year ago tomorrow when they had to answer questions about flynn. this is day 24 and day 25 into
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the new administration, they're brand new, shawn spicer as we know, he had a difficult time with the job of being white house's spokesperson and this was a difficult briefing for him but he did his best. >> are you -- is the cabinet taking any effort to make sure that everyone comes forward who had any communications with the russians or sanctions. >> there is no other information. as far as -- as far as we are aware that an isolated incident that occurred. >> that was not an isolated incident. will you make any efforts on anybody coming forward of any communications with the russians or sanctions, otherwise, that was not an isolated incident. a year ago today, february 13th, was when michael flynn resigned because of his undisclosed
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contact with the russians that he lied about. a year ago, the president was still praising michael flynn to the rooftops and the officials lying on flynn's contact and there was not anything wrong per se, there were not any surprises of trump's folks having any contacts with the russians. that was a year ago. within two weeks we learned that attorney general jeff sessions had also failed to disclose and lied about his own contacts with the russian government. a few weeks later, it was jared kushner who was having to explain his own undisclosed contacts with the russian government which he had lied about and not to mention the meeting he took with the head of a state run sanction russian bank. >> it was an isolated incident that occurred. >> there were a lot of isolated incidents then.
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they started with michael flynn leaving the white house a year ago today. it has been a remarkable series of revelations of trump's campaign and contacts with the russian government. but it is also a multious time of people leaving high ranking government service. this is our ongoing list that we are struggling. can we make that any bigger, i don't think it is legible. >> yes! boom! thank you. that's why you guys get paid the big bucks. well-done! we have been struggling to find the right front and try to keep this thing updated in terms of senior officials have been fired. in the past five days, we had to squeeze in a third white house deputy chief of staff, a white house speech writer and a white house's staff secretary and the
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associate attorney general, the number three person of the justice department. all of whom announced their own departures of the last four or five days. everybody, michael flynn, was first. look at everybody that has comes since then. today, it continues to be in focus. all of washington right thousand is on the edge of their seats with the expectations that president trump is about to lose another chief of staff. john kelly is taking the blame for the white house's handling of rob porter after serving more than a year without a permanent clearance because of domestic violence. allegations that were confirmed by his ex-wives.
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the reason it feels loo i cike kelly may have to go in this particular scandal because of the repeated and increasing reports that white house staff, the people who report to him in the white house are turning against him wi. in the "la times" looked like this. over and over again in the past several days, various white house aids have button holed reporters to tell them anonymously, that they think he knew but when. >> kirsten neilson was not a fan of porter. neilson left the white house. neilson frequently blocked and
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tackled for chief of staff making herself the main line of approaching to him. without her, officials approach mr. kelly freely now. he sometimes does not remember what he said to different people. meow. >> this is what it looks like in a story that's just posted tonight in t"the washington post." >> john kelly is a big fat liar. to put it in terms the general would understand of his handling scandal amounts to -- so the white house officials who are speaking to john kelly this way. everybody works in the white house is a staffer reports to john kelly. those staffers are rushing to reporters all over washington to tell them how john kelly is and
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quote, he"he's a big fat liar." >> once it gets to that point within a staff, that's not likely to be sustainable. and so in a white house that already lost one chief of staff and three deputies chief and ale other people, there is widespread expectations that president trump is going to need a third white house chief of staff very soon. while we are on this subject, the other white house official, don mcgahn, we'll be talking about him later on this hour why there is and there is not the same expectations that mcgahn may have to resign. he's been in worse in this. he's involved in so many of the biggest trump's administration scandals from michael flynn's
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resignation a year ago and onto the firing of james comey and all the rest of it. that makes it hard to see why this particular bad scandal may be worse. he's in the middle of every scandal in the white house includes some of the ones that may results in serious legal troubles himself. he remains. he's politically bullet proof. we don't know what that is. since they're both responsible for white house personnels and things like security issues. we expect the director and the white house's spokesperson may have to go because of their roles and plainly contradictory and how this all went down. so the porter's scandal continues to bang around
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washington tonight like a pin gal ga ball game without a glass on it and something is going to break there. the parallel happening to flynn one year ago is striking. the damaging aspects of these scandals are about the white house's reaction whuonce they w informed of the troubling troubling -- they came to the white house to warn that michael flynn was a serious security risk. now, the revelations about flynn's behavior and his lies about his behavior they did ultimately leads to flynn's resignation, the delay between the warning and him leaving the white house is still now the bigger scandal for the white house. there are still ongoing questions of the white house and
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why the white house waited 18 days after that hair on fire warning of the justice department the before they did anything about flynn. 18 days where flynn had continued access of the most highly classified information of the u.s. government. that was the flynn's scandal. rob porter, that scandal? fbi director chris wray testified today that the fbi notified the white house of porter's security clearance last march. that's months earlier. they were informed there may be problems to get clearance. the fbi contacted the white house last march of porter's clearance, they issued a final report to the white house in july. that was a report that was determined from a national security standpoint that porter could not be cleared. the white house then reportedly asked the fbi some follow -up questions about the problems of
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porter's clearance and the fbi got back to them in november. the fbi closed the file on him in january while he was not granted for clearance. they got information on him, director wray says the fbi handed that to white house as well. so there are all these notifications about the problems with rob porter and why he's not getting cleared to handle classified materials. in flynn's case it was 18 days and here from the notification, it looks like 11 months. they allowed porter to continue to handle highly classified information crossing the president's desk. cnn reported today up until last week when he was forced out, rob porter was being considered for r a big promotion to become deputy white house chief of staff. they have gone through three of
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them already. he's going to be number four. problems that resulted him not being able toll g not get a secy clearance. as of last week,they're going to promote him and a year ago was flynn of these warnings and the white house having no response until it was in the papers. now a year later it is rob porter with serious warnings about him and his security clearance and the white house clearing him through until once again it ends up in the newspaper and apparently that's the reason why people get pushed out. like my michael flynn in the face of this now about porter, just like with flynn, the president apparently personally feels positive about the guy. >> well, we wish him well. he worked very hard -- obvio hard -- obviously, tough times for him. he did a very good job while he was in the white house.
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we hope he has a wonderful career and hopefully he'll have a great career ahead of him but it was very sad when we heard about it and certainly he's also a very -- sad, we absolutely wish him well. he did a good job while he was at the white house. >> the chief of all the major u.s. intelligence agencies testified in the senate today in a hearing of worldwide threats. they testified unanimously that not only russia targeted our 2016 election and they testified that they are now targeting our 2018 election. >> there is no doubt that russia's proceed in past efforts have been successful and viewing the u.s. midterm election as a potential target for russians the influence -- >> there was a little
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awkwardness in the room today when asked when the trump administration and the president himself have directed the united states to do anything to try to stop the russians from that kind of interference again. >> all morning gentlemen, we have heard the story of russia influence in our campaign and the campaign of midterms, has the president direct to you and your agency to take specific actions to confront activities that are ongoing >> we are taking a lot of specific efforts. >> directing from the president? >> not directed by the president. >> director coats, have you
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rereceirec receive -- direct -- >> we worked together and have a full understanding that we are provided of whatever information that's relevant. >> passing the intelligence is not disrupting the opponent. do you agree. >> any of the panelists have anything to add this point? >> for us, i cannot say i have been explicitly directed, or actually stopped. >> so it is nice to hear today that we as a country are about to get walled up again this year in 2018. it is nice to hear that they all
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s. i am sick and tired of going to these hearings where everybody is talking about an attack and our country has not had a doctrine or a resolution to deal with it. director coats, you had a stunning statement in our report. right now there are none. is that not the case?
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there are no repurcussions? how are we going to get this to stop. >> that anger is anger saying over our country as russia is trying to gain another one of our elections. that was a remarkable moment in our intelligence hearing in the senate. i think it is hard to extricate that in the senate and we are living of what the russians did in our last election and what they'll do in the next one. what trump's national security adviser, michael flynn, when he resigned the white house. what sunk michael flynn a year ago today was he add a conversation with the russians which he lied about and it is about sanctions. right after the election, the obama administration launched
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new sanctions against russia for interfering with our government. that day, flynn had contacts with the russians which he lied about. he tried to under cut those sanctions. a few months later, we learned about the trump tower's meeting that happened during campaign which was attended by jared kushner and manafort and a whole bunch of russians. they did not disclose that meeting because it was not important to them. all the russians wanted to talk about was the issue of sanctions, same thing from flynn's conversation from the transition. eric prince going to the islands and meeting with the head of the
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russian. he tried to play down that russian meeting, nothing was important but what did they discussed at that meeting? sanctions and carter page denied but later admitted that when he went tos russia in the middle of the campaign as an adviser, say, the issue of sanctions may have come up in passing. even the forgotten, remember michael cohen, a trump's organization guy organizing crimes, they meet in new york and came up with a secret ukrainian plan that they delivered to security adviser, michael flynn while he was still there. what was the subject of that plan? it was a way to get rid of u.s. sanctions on russia. >> sanctions, sanctions.
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the anchor that the 2016 election, russia scandal is dragging into our current news. sanctions, the primary russian objective of lifting the burden of u.s. sanctions on that country. sanctions was at least partly the subject of every single contact between the trump campaign and russia that we can document thus far going back to michael flynn having to leave the white house a year ago today. the trump's administration started making plans to unilaterally dropping sanctions in russia. congress found out about it and freaked out. congress insisted legally that the trump administration had to enforce sanctions against russia. trump's administration dragged their feet and did not want to do it. tillerson killed off the office of state department that handles sanctions. before the state of the union a couple weeks ago, another
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deadline that was implemented by the trump administration, they declared there would be no new punishment for anybody buying russian military equipment. state department announced that the existence of the u.s. law in this subject and their estimation was deterrence enough against any bad russian behavior. those sanctions they were supposed to be implementing were not meant to deter russian behavior. they were meant for punishment of past russian behaviors for them attacking our election. the state department decided let it slide. a detailed report identifying, an identification of the most significant scene yenior politi figures and oligarchs in the
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russian federation. and crucially, to put together that list, u.s. government officials are supposed to determine, quote, "any corruption with respect to any of those individuals." they're supposed to come up with this list. the u.s. government was going to use its resources to combine the list of ga zillizillions of rus. there are a credible report that such a list was actually produced by the employees of the u.s. government. that was reported by the atlantic council. we were able to confirm of it of the person who had knowledge by which that list is created. such a list was generated as a u.s. government work product as required by that u.s. sanctions law. when it came to the deadline, it came time to publish that list, that list was never published.
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when the oligarchs list - list -- putin's -- they expected to have global consequences in terms of the ability of the pew ten's regime and maintaining their wealth and keep doing what they have done all these years to keep putin in power. we have reasons to believe that such a list was created by the u.s. government. some where before the deadline, it got submarined and replaced with this list that was a joke. forbes' magazine list and the kremlin phone directory. so much for closeness of putin,
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give a list of people, forget it. michael flynn have been gone today. both campaign chairmans were arrested in october. the white house right now is in escalating turmoil of mishandling of classified information and flawed white house to the senior person. there is no clear sense from our intelligence agencies that we are defending ourself ves of wh russia did to us in 2016. what they did to us appears to have been motivated by sanctions. the trump administration is now in charge of that and the trump administration is behaving pretty -- it is amazing of where
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we have been in the past year. it is necessary to look up and forward to see what we are bumping into months ahead. there is something wrong where we are right now with what the administration is doing right now. because what the administration is doing right now on sanctions is what russia was asking them for all through the 2016 campaign and all those secret meetings. we did not know it at the time it was happening because those meetings were a secret. now, we know that's what russia is asking for. we can see in realtime that they are getting what they wanted and what they asked for from this administration. friends, colle, gathered here are the world's finest insurance experts. rodney -- mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. the list goes on. how about a discount for long lists? gold. mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching almost effortlessly. it's a gift. and jamie. -present. -together we are unstoppable. so, what are we gonna do?
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last year at their joint confirmation, rob rosenstein and rachel brand were testifying. >> rachel brand quit on friday night after nine months on the job while rosenstein is still the there. there was something else on her mind as well when she decided to leave the number three job in the justice department. nbc news reported that brand quit her top job out of concerns that she may be asked to take
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over for rosenstein and overs overseeing the russia investigation. ro should rosenstein be fired and brand would be next in line to oversees the mueller's investigation. she told friends she did not want to enter. nbc reported that rachel brand decided to basically jump out of the plane and parachutes safely to walmart headquarters. brand told nbc news, all of this is false and frankly ridiculous. quit being ridiculous nbc news. since then, politico.com added
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this. and then there is this, walmart began courting her around the time that trump began making noises that trump may fire rosenstein. walmart, why did you do that? why didn't you do that precisely then? rachel brand had been unhappy at the justice department for months and frustrated in her position. there were pull and push factors that led to this decision. joining us now our justice reporter who broke this story, julia ansley, it is great having you here. >> thanks for having me. watching it outside of the dynamics of the top of the justice department, the thing that seems striking from outside is the possible over site of the mueller investigation to become
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the new site of investigation, now, you reported that was part of her thinking of why she left. >> it was part of her thinking along with just a general lack of support and it is not just that she had been fired. rosenstein can be a witness in the obstruction case because it was he, who wrote the memo, the white house used to justify the firing of james comey, the fbi director. if she recuse himself, she would fall in line. there was this domino effect happening months ago of rachel brand reading those tea leaves and looking at all the pressure he's under and telling people i don't want anything to do with that. >> should we see the brand's resignation as a sign, as an indication of the firing of rosenstein is coming or a rec e
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recusal of rosenstein is coming, something that's in effect of changing rachel brand's life. >> i would not quote that. it is not something has changed in the last week that she wanted to jump shifts, jobs like this are not something that you get over night. it is been in the process for a long time but it seems like it is a slow burner and she feels unsupportive and there is a lot of vacancies at the justice department and when you oversees part of the justice department and 30% of the division heads are unfilled, that's a tough place to be and to be in a place she will have less support and more pressure, that could tarnish her reputation as things arooif arri arrive. >> if the president is trying to
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game out how he might tried to end the mueller investigati investigation -- if clearing people out who may see the muell mueller's investigation in ways that he does not like. is there any indication that walmart was approached to make her an offer that she could not refuse or were they involved at all in the thinking of this that may have come into the white house? >> i don't have any reporting that indicates of the back chatham communications between the white house and the walmart to give her something she could not refuse. i imagine that brand had a number of options and she's approached many times in her career and decided to take this one because of the timing in a lot of way. it was a matter that she's willing to exit this sector. she served under the bush's administration and the obamas'
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administration and and rather for walmart to come along to clean up the administration, i hope it is there and i hope you find it. >> julia ainsley, a lot of real scoop on this one, congratulations. >> thank you. >> much more to get to tonight, stay with us. everyone has a thing. that binge watch over the weekend thing. more checking-in or checking out things. that triple-double thing doing it yourself or tagging a friend thing. more revolutions in the making thing.
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keep quiet of his affair while he was married to his current wife. michael cohen was the man behind those payments. he told the "times" tonight that it may have been some campaign contributions. cohen is now reporting it was his own personal money that he paid. the 2016 payment made to the actre actress, mr. cohen says he was not reimbursed for the payment. nor the trump's campaign was a party to the transaction of miss stormy daniels, the payment was lawful and it was not a campaign expenditure by anyone. what the motivation was for the payment or whether he had made similar payments to other people over the years?
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so again, -- you know you never expect that your news job is going to make you talk about stuff like this. there has been several weeks reporting of the alleged relationship that mr. cohen has denied and between stormy daniels. the only question was who paid that money. now we got the account of who did it. the president's personal lawyer said he paid it personally and nobody reimbursed him out of his own pocket. we'll be right back. some rare side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort and swelling. ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for you and visit coolsculpting.com today... for your chance to win a free treatment.
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this is one of those nights when we have to throw out the plan. a remarkable headline just posted by "the new york times" in the last couple of minutes, trump's long time lawyer said he paid stormy daniels out of his own pocket. this was a story that broke in january, the wall street journal reported that a porn star, stormy daniels has had an affair, she detailed this affair in great details for a tabloid magazine which later posted to her account. a payment had been made to her just before the election for her to keep quiet about the affair.
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the wall street journal reported on an l.l.c., a shell corporation that's been set up to facilitate this payment and multiple denials that there had been an affair and it gave rise to an illegally large campaign contribution to the trump campaign led broadly to who paid this money? who was paid to not talk of her alleged affair with president trump. now michael cohen told the new york times that he paid that money out of his own pocket and neither the trump organization or the campaign was party to the transaction. mr. cohen is not answering mr. trump himself was aware of the payment or what the motivation was for the payment. mr. cohen is not saying whether he made similar payments to other people over the years.
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>> that story just broke. this happens a t a time when all of washington is on the edge of their seats wondering if the president is about to lose another chief of staff on domestic violence charges and how the white house handled those questions. that will scandal is raising skee questions o f tf the chief of s kelly and white house counsel, chief mcgahn, the one person that i know and who has literally seen it all and never rattled and who knows how to keep these things in contact, andrea, thank you for being here. >> i am rattled. i am officially rattled. i am about to lose it. well, what else can happen tonight? >> tell me what rattles you the most? is it accumulations of all these things are happening at once?
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>> what's truly unsettling a year after mike flynn left, exactly one year after michael flynn is fired is that this white house has had a 34% turnover and a chaos in the white house and the lack of institutional knowledge, the fact that they for days have been trying to blame the fbi for the failure to properly vet rob porter, they should not have done it. that was a mistake. christopher wray was not going to lie under oath. he was going to defend his agency but explain the facts of life to this white house. it is not up to the fbi to make these decisions. they were not made within the last weeks or months or even a year ago, they had already told the white house there was a problem. all of the past white houses that i have covered, the general
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countdo councils and the chief of staff are responsible to flag these things to whoever that was making the decision on the political end of the white house. the fbi vets and reports. when they give an interim security clearance, that means a denial of security, you should not shovelled out of the white house. the fact that it is not a ba backlog and it was not the fact of 700,000 people backed up. the top assistance to the president are the first people done within a month or two. the fact that there was a problem with rob porter was reported in realtime in a timely fashion and christopher wray made that clear. today sarah sanders tried to blame this saying that nobody was lying, kristen welker, says well, who's lying? and is it the chief of staff or the fbi, christopher wray, well,
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both are true because it was not the fbi or the council's office, it was the security's office of white house personnel. peter alexander reported tonight that that story did not add up. it is a long way of saying but truly shocking, they have not figured out a way to understand how to make the train run on time. >> angela, we are absorbing that and continued scandal from the campaign. >> exactly. >> with this news of stormy danie daniels' payment. cohen said he's been paying that out of his own pocket and had nothing to do with the campaign. a long time organization lawyer, he was not apart of the campaign. the rnc reported that the rnc is paying a lot of money to the law enforcement that's representing michael cohen in the scandal.
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he's the president's lawyer. the rnc appears to be paying that firm. we think to pay for michael cohen's russia defense when he was not apart of the campaign. no you cohen is saying he's paying off women to not talk about their affair before the election. usually the congressional committee is looking at this. who takes this stuff on and who investigate these things? >> it is funny that you should ask that, ron moore, told me today, he said what do you want to hear today, i want to hear follow the money but the republican leadership won't let us do that. he was complaining that the senate intelligent committe committecommittee committee -- the question was raise last night, why does it exists anymore. i have to say there is a moment
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of pride as an american sitting in that hearing room to watch the fact that political appointees who have not been otherwise to distinguish themselves, they were absolutely straightforward in saying what they knew and what they believed to be the case of the russian investigation. you pointed that out earlier. that's at least something. they were not count downing to the president. >> andrea mitchell, weekdays at noon here on msnbc, fast breaking news tonight. i had a whole different sets of stuff to talk to you about. >> yeah. >> much appreciated my friend. all right, we'll be right back unless something else happens in the next five seconds, in which case i will still be here.
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ok, i...is it...? clearblue digital pregnancy test... ...with smart countdown, gives unmistakably clear... ...results written in words. over 99% accurate. absolute clarity, when you need it most. one year ago tonight, the trump white house started shedding its first high-ranking officials, just 24 days into the new administration. one year ago tonight, the departure of michael flynn, who has since pled guilty to lying to the fbi has become a cooperating witness into the special counsel investigation into the russia attack. tonight one year on we bookend that achievement with the news in "the new york times" that the president's personal lawyer says when it came time to pay a porn star right before the election to say that she didn't have an affair with donald trump, he found $130,000 in his own pocket and he swears it didn't come out of the campaign or out of the trump organization. that does it for us tonight. we'll seag