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the russia probe. >> there are so many names that continue to pop up. we are only seeing the tip of the mueller iceberg. >> trump trying to shift the blame to barack obama even after the latest intelligence warning that russia is still coming after us. >> frankly the united states is under attack, under attack by entities using cyber to penetrate virtually every major action that takes place in the united states. and the childrens crew said. crying out for gun control laws. >> these children are going to change it. this young man and all of his
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schoolmates are going to clang it. >> eventually we will heal, but now is the time to make a change and to do something. good day everyone. another surprise from robert mueller. there will be a guilty plea from an attorney charged with lying the mueller's investigators. son-in-law of russian arriving at the washington field office of the fbi where he will begin to be processed. he is linked to two other major figures. indicted former trump campaign and his deputy rick gates. it has stirred more controversy with tweets about the russia probe.
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joining me now is pete, intelligence and national supporter and msnbc barbara. first to you, let's talk about the new development. who is he and why is mueller indicating there will be a plea agreement with him today? >> she a young lawyer. according to this filing he work and a project involving a ukrai ukrainean politician on the other side of manafort and rick gates. he didn't tell the truth to robert mueller and the fbi and didn't disclose an e-mail. it had to do with kplcommunicats with rick gates. they are not always charged.
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they tend to only file these charges when they want something, when think think it has something to contribute to the investigation. mueller already has what is a strong -- so the question why is mueller continuing to press in this area? one possible explanation is he is trying to break manafort. he is continuing to press on potential allegations against manafort. another possibility is that he has information about another a aspect of the case. >> and when we look at the mueller probe people compared it to where you don't see what's beneath the surface.
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this is another another part of the case. it is improper dealings with ukraine and money laundering. this appears to be part of that. what the government says here is that the lawyer did work for manafort six years ago and then last november when they were questioning him he lied about his context with richard gates, manafort's partner. they could have charged him with
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obstruction of justice. while they are putting the pressure on him they are not throwing the kitchen sink at him. >> it is a major international firm. he was connected with the london office. they put out a statement saying he was terminated in 2017 and they have been cooperating with the authorities. i want to get to barbara in a moment with her as a former prosecutor's take own this. we have seen how the president exploded over the weekend after his initial reaction to the mueller indictment from friday. he has been all over twitter. again today this time blaming president obama for not stopping russia back in 2016. >> you're right. the president has been playing the blame game on twitter. his lawyer here who handles all things related is down playing these developments saying that the latest indictment is not related in any way to the white
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house. i think it signals the strategy that we will see as we track this layest development. to the president's reaction this twitter tirade pointing the finger at just about everyone except putin, even undercutting his predecessor and then again saying two things, one, why didn't former president obama do more to block russia's meddling if he was aware of it during the campaign. the obama people will tell you there was concern about looking like they were putting their finger on the scales and then number two, former president obama came out very forcefully against candidate trump who claimed that the system was rigged and the former president said at the time the system isn't rigged frm g. get out there. president trump now reviving some of those old quotes to cast
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the president as hypocritical, politically motivated and again sort of asking that question, why didn't he do more when he was in office. he hasn't announced any next steps or any sanctions. they say the mere threat of the sanctions has already served as a deterrent. still, a lot of scrutiny on why he hasn't done more. it will be at the center of the press briefing. it is the first time since the indictments were handed down on friday. >> and we should point out when it comes to russia the president today is taking what barack obama said in a news conference with the italian prime minister in october of 2016 completely out of context. president obama was responding
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to what donald trump had been saying about the election being rigged on the campaign trail at the time. also, once he was elected the president clearly was involved with michael flynn and what he was saying to the russians. we will reverse the obama sanctions for meddling in the elections. there is a lot that has to be sorted out about what the president is actually saying. let me ask you, there's a lot we haven't seen yet. we haven't seen any charges regarding wiki leaks and hacking. so we are just beginning to see different prongs of robert mueller's investigation. >> yeah. i think the unspoken word here is yet. we may see all of these things come down the road. robert mueller is engaging in a
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complex casement one step at a time. one link at a time. so today's guilty plea with this new lawyer who we didn't know anything about until today would seem to be an effort to induce paul manafort. he seems like someone who could testify about the charges against manafort in the foreign agent registration charge, put more pressure on him and perhaps induce paul manafort to realize the evidence against me is over que -- overwhelming. he seems like someone who would be in a position to share information about all of the thing ts we haven't seen yet. and so i believe that today's plea is just one more step in that methodical approach to reach that ultimate conclusion and find what really happened there. >> and where does rick gates fit
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into this? >> well, shehe is a codefendant. he may be prepared to plead guilty. if so he is another person to talk about manafort's role but also with respect to the campaign is the campaign manager during that summer of 2016, he seems like someone who could have a lot of information not only to induce a guilty plea and to shed light on the under dcly connections. >> pete williams, one of the remarkable things in a town loaded with reporters chasing after this investigation, there has been a lot of reporting. no leaks to speak of from this measuri mueller investigation. >> that's the way mueller ran the fbi too. >> yes. >> he agreed to meet with us in
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a round table exactly once and thought it was one more than he should have done. he did appear at news conferences. it's just not his style. of course his obligations are different as this special council as well. this court document was prepared last friday but it wasn't actually filed on the court docket until today. so this is a little bit of strategy on the part of the special council. why were they cutting the lawyer a break here? not exactly sure why but it wasn't a public document friday even though it was prepared and filed and signed by mueller last week. >> and am i correct that plrkhe fbi director for 12 years. he had one of the longest tenures in modern times. >> that's right. you may recall that he asked
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james comey and comey wasn't ready. congress had to act to extepnd the term. >> and there were other connections here. who is alex's father in law? >> she a man named german kahn reportedly worth some $10 billion who is the chairman of alpha bank. he is involved in buzz feed. so he is among the plaintiffs suing in that case. it is another interesting connection to all of this. >> and to barbara mcquade, with all of these attacks from the white house he seems to be keeping his head down and moving one step at a time.
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>> yeah. i think mueller sort of sees the media as can be friendly at times and unfriendly at times. he prefers to deal with them only in a very formal way. i would imagine he has someone paying attention to trump's tweets. they can be used as admissions. he talked about having to fire mike flynn in fact previously unflown. so it can be used against him in a court of law. i'm sure to that extent they are paying paying attention to the tweets but not in terms of pressure or that it's driving their motivations in any way. >> theyand there are statementsm
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the president of the united states. it is always great to see you. thank you all so much. we'll be watching the white house briefing, the first one in a week as you point out. just a few questions there. i don't know if we'll get the answers but i know you have the questions. >> seeing red with russian bots. president trump is still blames former president obama. more on that coming up. stay with us. 1, 2, 3, push! easy! easy! easy! (horn honking) alright! alright! we've all got places to go! we've all got places to go! washington crossing the delaware turnpike? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sean saved by switching to geico. big man with a horn. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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president trump spent the morning glued to cable tv channelling his frustration into a tweet storm with a central message. i have been much tougher on russian than obama. a comment from a 2016 joint news conference with italy's prime minister. >> there is no serious person out there who would suggest some how that you could even rig america's lekelections. there is no evidence it has happened in the past or instances that it will happen this time. and so i would advise mr. trump
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to stop wining and to make his case to get votes. >> the election donald trump is telling his supporters that the election is rigged and asking them to monitor certain areas on election day. how concerned are you about potential for violence and are you worried the ruls of the election may be distrusted? >> joining me now is nick burns and the former under secretary of state. he met with russians and heard their explanations. welcome home. >> thank you. >> first of all, for president trump to be blaming president barack obama and saying obama didn't do anything there has been criticism for many democrats that he should have
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spoken out more clearly when he let the directorover national intelligence make the initial announcement about the russian meddling rather than do it at the white house and the argument from the obama team is they didn't want to create an impression that they were putting their finger on the scale. that said the president did strongly sanction the russians after the election and during the transition. it was in fact mike flynn, the national security adviser that went to the others and was discussing reversing the sanctions according to the investigation. >> that's right, andrea. let's remember he expelled 35 diplomats. he sanctioned russian individuals. he closed down two russian diplomatic facilities in the united states. these were tough actions taken
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at the end of his administration. he has been tougher on the russians. it's a statement. he hasn't admitted it is we to undermine our elections. he criticized everybody else. he failed to implement the sanctions to make them pay for this and the president has not helped our 50 states to raise our defense, to protect our 2018 elections. i was there and heard a lot of complaints because they are being subjected to russian pressure that the president is not lhelping them. he is commander in chief. his duty is to protect our country. he is not protecting us from this conspiracy that mueller unvailed in his indictment last
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friday. >> he rebuked his own national security adviser when mcmaster said that the evidence laid out in the indictments on friday was incontr incontraveritable that the russians meddled in our elections. >> i thought he was absolutely correct in staying it. you'll remember last week the entire range of intelligence agency officials testified in open sessions before the congress each one of them from the director of the cia to the director of the nsa said they were sure russia had intervened and would continue to do so and had already started to intervene in the 2018 elections. i think for people like mcmaster and dan coats serving officials it's the right thing to do and not to succumb to the politics that president trump is playing
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with the issue. >> i wanted to play a clip of you dpronted him. ambassador burns i know you're a state department official but this was well above and beyond what most u.s. officials kurntd -- current or former have done. >> what your country is doing is underpli undermining the ability to engage in arms control. if we are talking about nuclear security your department has under it's mined the department for it. you were ambassador so you must have known something about it. >> i have said already we didn't meddle in the american political life. it's your fight. don't bring us into your fight
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because we have nothing to do with that. >> nick burns, that was a moment when we last saw him speaking and laughing. >> that's right. >> last year. what was the reaction? >> well, andrea, i decided i had to confront him. i tangled with him many times in my career. i don't trust him. i felt that we had to -- private citizens like myself had to make clear that we will not accept what they are trying to do to undermine our democracy. our president may not be defending us but we will protect our democracy. i wanted to get him on the record to see how he would react. of course what he did, if you saw the full tape, he did not tell the truth. he desemiabled.
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what was very disturbing is that he used the defense that the trump administration is making. in fact he and the russian foreign minister basically said the trump administration, vice president pence, department of homeland security are saying that these allegations are fake news and the russians hid behind the trump administration. it because pathetic excuse but it does go to show you what trouble we are in when our government won't protect us and the russian government is using the same arguments that the trump administration is doing to deny what our intelligence kp n communities have made clear. >> well done. thank you very much. >> thank you, andrea. thank you very much. >> coming up, demanding action, parkland students heading to florida's capital to confront state leaders. we'll are the latest next on msnbc. the grandkids
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florida about to board buses and head over 400 miles north demanding action from lawmakers. nbc has more. >> nicholas cruz in court, the confessed school shooter never looking up. charged with 17 countries of first-degree murder. pros duty tos now saying it is too early to talk about any kind of plea deal. >> i just prepared to die. >> it comes as those caught in the gunfire are sharing their stories for the first time. english teacher was in the first classroom targeted by cruz. >> at fist you thought it was just a drill. >> i thought it might be the drill. i went to shut the blinds. i turned to say turn the lights off. i saw my student and he was bleeding. >> 14-year-old alex had been
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shot. >> and my students, they were so brave. >> she grabbed her cell phone. >> i called 911 and they asked if i could get to my student that was injured. i couldn't get over to him. then 911 said he's coming back. he already shot my room twice, wasn't that enough? no. he's coming back. i figured if i have to go i will hug my students closer and i kissed my students on their head and tried to comfort them. >> he and two more students were killed in her classroom. >> it is so hard to grasp that i lost their tweet little faces. >> one building over -- >> i was locked out of all of the classrooms. >> jack trapped in a hallway with nowhere to hide. >> and you couldn't get in that first door?
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>> i could not get into that classroom. >> and a math teacher did what she was trained never to do. >> i broke protocol. >> i opened my door and looked out. there was a group of children with an adult. i said everybody come in as fast as you can. >> at 65 she is a year away from are retirement. >> i turned to the kids. i said i want you to know that if anybody comes through that door to harm you they have to come through me. i will be the first defense. they will have to shoot me to get to you and maybe that will give you a chance. >> it would be 90 minutes before the s.w.a.t. team finally came to their rescue. >> what's going on in america? >> i don't know but these children are going to change it. this young man and all of his schoolmates are going to change
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it. >> we venn clully we will heel b -- eventually we will heal but now is the time to change something. >> i don't know what to say about these teachers and these kids. >> you're there with them. the hope and the spirit. >> reporter: yeah. andrea, a lot of spirit, as you mentioned. we are out here where about 100 students are getting ready to board some buses. they will be levering here in about an hour. students are starting to trickle in. they will be getting on a coupleovcouple of buses. they will be making a 450 mile journey to tallahassee with their parents. they will be sleeping in the civic center tonight and tomorrow they will be walking
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over to the state capital. we are speaking with chris. you're a senior. you'll be getting on one of these buses. what is the message you're going 450 miles to send? >> our goal is to finally pass some common sense gun safety laws, get some extensive background checks to the legislators at this point. if you're not for savoring the lives of innocent children we are voting you out. it's plain and simple. >> reporter: you will be speaking with state lij egislat. >> yeah. florida has some of the loosest gun laws in the country. it has to start here. >> reporter: we are less than a week out and the emotions are raw. how are you finding the strength to do this? >> we have to. we have to do it for the 17 of our peers that lost their lives. we have to do it for heros like
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coach vice and countless other teachers. >> thank you for having me. >> reporter: thank you. a lot of these kids are coming from a funeral for a fellow 16-year-old. they will take that and hopefully make some change, andrea. >> thank you very much. god speed to the kids. we'll be right back.
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visit cancercenter.com/breast it's been a full week since we had a white house briefing and a chance for correspondents to ask questions about the events of the past seven days. the shifgt accounts of chief of staff of white house security clearances, ethical questions about cabinet secretaries and their travel expenses and the president's responses against the russians. now a stomach churning suggestion to the washington post that the florida shootings were a reprieve from the other controversies. joining me now is blouse reporter ashley parker who wrote that story. and julia.
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tell me about the chaos of the past week, the porter resignation and all of the rest and what you were told in your reporting about how the white house was responding. >> sure. the past week, as we all know, was incredibly chaotic. they were dealing with rob porter and even know they haven't answered sort of basic questions about who knew what when. it was part they were dealing with renewed allegations of extramarital affairs involving the president when he was married to his third wife, melania. they were dealing with fnew cabinet secretaries spending too much on luxury travel for themselves. what happened was the horrible tragedy in florida occurred. i refocused away from all of the scandals and drama and onto something quite serious.
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that is what this staffer was trying to convey. the staffer used the words as a reprieve and distraction. he said the white house became focused on trying to handle the situation in florida rather than what they view is more trivial stuff such as affairs he may or may not have had. >> and when you hear a comment like that it is from someone you know well and one of the officials talking in the white house, is there a sense of the -- i mean i don't know how to describe it, to describe a massacre as almost a backed distraction from the other controversies. >> i think there was an awareness in the white house sort of that they were acutely aware that once this shooting happened questions that would have been posed to them, for
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instance, secretary -- >> the veteran affairs secretary? >> exactly. it is something that in another white house or news cycle would have been career ending. in fact, former hhs secretary tom price was forced to resign for things similar. they are aware these questions they would have to be answering such as what did general kelly know about these allegations of domestic violence against rob porter. what about the lavish spending? once the florida shooting happened it all went away because both the white house and the media was focused on the florida shooting. i do have to be clear that the would you say was in no way relieved by the shooting. they were aware it did put the drama and chaos sort of temporarily on pause. >> of course. and the other cabinet official
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is scott pruitt who cancelled a week long trip to israel perhaps that his first class travel has been criticized. he had been yelled out with an obscenity by somebody in coach over his environmental policies and as a result his security detail deemed it necessary to put him in first class where he would be less bothered by the people in coach or other critics. julia, in the midst of all of this and today another plea agreement with someone we hadn't haer heard of before but it was connected to manafort and gates. we don't know what will happen with gates. >> that's right. they may have wanted a reprooe b -- reprieve but they are not
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going to get it since they have a new filing against vanderswan. he has been suing buzz feed news over the publishing of the dossier about a year ago now. he is someone who worked with paul manafort and rick gates. it signifies we'll see more names of people we have never heard of like george p. as said before it shows it is the tip of the iceberg, what we actually know. there are so many people mu ler eller has been speaking to. >> how concerning is it for the
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white house, ashley, the mueller probe, just judging from the president's reactions? >> it is incredibly concerning. it is something that aids on all levels want to be in no way a part of. they concerned they will hear or see something in the white house that fors them on a government salary to have to hire an attorney which none of them want to do. it is a huge issue for president because as we all discussed before it is something that he believes invalidated almost the legitimacy of his presidency. he finds it hard to hold sort of the two ideas in contrast to say yes, we flow fknow fsor a fact tried to interfere but also that he won the electoral vote. he can't quite hold those dualing ideas. you see him lashing out and that becomes a sfloe ball frustration that because of the latest in
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the mueller probe the president will say or do or tweet something that becomes an issue for this white house. >> exactly. ashley parker, julia, stay tuned, we have the white house right here on msnbc this afternoon. coming up immediately kushner's appearance today. you're watching andrea mitchell on msnbc. and the wolf huffed and puffed... like you do sometimes, grandpa?
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president trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner making a surprise appearance, a long side ambassador nikki haley. this comes days before his interim security clearance might run out on friday aft effort chief of staff john kelly called for a crackdown on the white house clearance process last friday with a new memo. unless of course his father-in-law, the preseident, intervene, waiving those requirements. welcome. >> hi, andrea. >> so jared's in charge of middle east peace.
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he is a reader of the pdb, given of his -- father-in-law does not do it, somebody should, is probably briefed. he's one of those people with an interim clearance. we do know kelly has said we're cracking down on these interims, they cannot keep going on forever. as of friday, anyone with an interim that preseeded june of last year, you know, undeniably include kushner. we don't know why he doesn't have the permanent. he does have a complicated business portfolio, his family does. they were seeking foreign investors for a particular building on fifth avenue. as recently as the transition, if not since. so what do we make of all this? he is the person with that portfolio, the secretary of state is not. >> so this is a really remarkable situation. and the fundamental problem from my point of view is that this just shows why you should not have your relatives inside the white house. you can have your spouse there as first lady or maybe some day first gentleman.
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but as a general matter, even though the anti-depanti-despoti don't apply, it distorts the decision making process. we do know that he's had to fill out and a mend and revise his security forms and personnel forms multiple times to talk about his contacts with foreign officials and various investmentings. but it is very hard to stand up to a president of the united states and say no, this person can't have a clearance or is not -- you are not well advised by him. but it's almost impossible to do that when that person is a member of your family or your son-in-law. and this is just, to me, proof positive for why having jared and ivanka inside the white house staff, bad idea. >> now, this is in a family which is still involved in their business. don jr. is in india, one of the biggest markets in the world, doing business deals for the
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trump organization today. so the conflicts abound even outside the white house staff members. >> the conflicts abound and have been abounding from the very beginning. and this speaks to a white house that couldn't care less about -- forget about -- i'm talking about a legal issue, i'm talking about customs and traditions here. they couldn't care less. to pick up on what ruth was talking about, this isn't a -- this isn't just a matter of family members having -- working in the white house and having security clearances. we're talking about -- this speaks to the larger issue of just how many people within the white house have interim security clearances. and what that says about the quality and caliber of the people that a year and a few months into the president's administration and you're still working on an interim clearance? have we ever seen this many people, have we ever seen this before? >> i want to also bring up
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dereliction of duty, which is a classic text written by h.r. mcmaster about the vietnam war, but also a ruth marcus column about what's been going on in this white house, trying to conflate the russia probe. let me just read a quote from your column. to the president, use children to attack an investigation into his campaign and conflict of office, yes he did. this is a person devoid of empathy. he can experience the world only through the prism of his own ego. dereliction of duty is not a strong enough term to describe this man's abysmal performance. obviously this is an opinion column from "the washington post" op-ed page, which you are the deputy editor of. but responding to a tweet. >> i actually was in california this weekend with my husband. i was intending to take the weekend off and not to write a column. that end i saw that tweet in particular and it, as you can
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tell, it set me off, because i thought it was so appallingly insensitive, so appallingly egotistical and so not what a president should do. and so i wrote about actually the three ways in which this president has engaged in dereliction of duty. we're in nation under attack. we have no commander in chief or -- nation is grieving and we have no consoler in chief. and our nation is trying to figure out a way to fix a dreamer problem that is a significant part of the president's own nation and we have no negotiator in chief so -- >> jonathan? >> ruth's being worked up over that tweet is reminiscent of my being worked up in august of this year because of charlottesville. where the president was derelict in duty there. he was not commander in chief. he was not -- in that moment, for me, is when he ceded the
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moral authority of the presidency. when tried to say there were both sides when it came to an issue of white supremacy and racism. so that tweet in response to what happened to the mass shooting in florida, to children being slaughtered by a person with a gun, is only one more in many examples that we've seen of this president having no empathy. >> we're going to have to leave it there. jonathan daypart, ruth marcus, we'll be right back.
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thanks for being with us. follow us @mitchellreports. kacie hunt is here right next to me on msnbc. hey. >> hi, andrea, it's great to see you. good afternoon from washington, d.c. i'm kacie hunt in today for craig melvin. taking their demands to the state capital. the students who survived the school shooting in florida will board a bus in just a few minutes to talk gun laws with their representatives. we're going to talk to them about their goals before they leave and then take a ride on that bus with them. plus, a new charge. special counsel robert mueller just charged another man in his russia investigation. and he's expected to plead guilty in the next hour and a half. it will be one of many topics the white house will be forced to address at today's press briefing. it's the first briefing in a week. since then, we've had all of these russia headlines, questions about the administration'sra