and facebook, bringing us back to the 13 indictments essentially a tool of russia propaganda. >> and it continues. this russian operation continues to iterate. >> what does facebook say? >> i think they say they are trying to do some things, but i find it very defensive. >> all right. we'll keep this going. my thanks to you all. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> if it is tuesday, russia can't meddal in these olympics, but they can meddle in our election. >> the president has been extremely tough 00 ruon russia. he has been tougher on russia in the first year than obama was eight years combined. >> how about the u.s. punish russia for election meddling? plus why a new congressional map in the keystone state could open the door to a democratic comeback on capitol hill.

finally, florida school shooting survivors head to their state dapt to ta capital to talk gun laws. >> they don't need to tell us that we don't know what we're talking about. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here this washington. welcome to "mtp daily." another criminal charge has been filed in mueller's probe, another guilty plea has been entered and president trump is going after obama, the fbi, and his own national security adviser has mueller uncovers information warfare. but we begin tonight with the white house's portrait of a president that arguably does not exist. moments ago sarah huckabee sanders made a number of highly dubious claims about this president's stance on russian meddling. here is the first one. that somehow president trump has been resolute on the question of

russian meddling. >> the president hasn't said that russia didn't meddle. what he is saying it didn't have an impact and it certainly wasn't with help from the trump campaign. it's very clear that russia meddled in the election. it is also very clear that it didn't have an impact on the election. and it is also very clear that the trump campaign didn't collude with the russians in any way for this process to take place. >> here is the thing. mr. trump has said that russia didn't meddle. he said it as a candidate. he said it as president elect and as president. here is candidate trump. we believe it was the dnc that did the hacking as a way to distract from the main issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. here is president elect trump. i don't believe they interfered. and after meeting with putin, every time putin sees me, he says i didn't do that and i i believe, i really believe that when he tells me that, he means

it. le also the white house tried to rewrite a presidential tweet storm. he recentbly blamed the russia probe for last week's high school shooting tweeting that the fbi missed all of the many signals sent out by the florida school shooter. they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign, get back to the basics. well, here is the white house attempting to walk this back or muddy it up a few minutes ago. >> the president doesn't really think that the fbi failed to stop the parkland shooter because it was too involved with the russia investigation, does he? >> i think he was speaking not necessarily that that is the cause, i think we all have to be aware that the cause of this is that of a deranged individual that made a decision to take the lives of 17 other people. >> so did he mistweet?

he said this is not acceptable, they are spending too much ti time -- >> i think he is making the point that we would like to fbi agencying to not be focused on something that is clearly a hoax in terms of investigating the trump campaign. >> so now sarah sanders is calling it a hoax. lastly, here is the white house's sbhoeresponse when it w asked about the other tweets which criticize the pretty much everyone except russia for the meddling. >> he criticize the obama, he criticized the fbi. he didn't even criticize vladimir putin. >> he has been tougher on russia in the first year than obama was in eight years combined. he's imposed sanctions, he's taken away properties, he has rebuilt our military, he has done a number of things to pults pressure on russia and to be tough on russia. >> we should point that much of the president's toughness on russia has been forced on him. those sanctions the white house is talking about, they were initially imposed by president obama.

so was the seizure of the diplomatic compound. and he is actually yet to fully impose the sanctions the second round of sanctions that congress overwhelmingly passed which he opposed. now to be fair the administration has just set up a cyber task force and they just met with states about safe guarding their election infrastructure. but folks, bob mueller is uncovering a vast russia campaign of information warfare. ads, troll, identity theft, you name it, in an effort to help trump. at best, you could say that the president's response to these revelations has been all over the map. at worst, you could say that the president's response to these revelations has sowed more division in an effort to help himself. joining me now is russian affairs analyst michael mcfaul. i haven't talked to you since these indictments. how are you, sir? >> i'm doing fine. thanks. >> so let's talk about the mueller indictments and sort of in as clear eyed of a way as we

can. what did 3450u8ler mueller expose in your analysis? >> i'll tell you honestly, i was pretty shocked by the level ever detail in that indictment and as you know, i've been following this pretty closely. i was very impressed with it. there was a lot of intelligence in there. when we're listening and have access to e-mails from a russian to her parents about i can't come home in time for dinner, that is really impressive. the second thing that was really impressive to me is you know who is toughrussisirussia? bob mueller. i was in munich with lots of russian officials. this indictment gets everybody's attention because this means that we are can call them criminals and we can potentially pick them up in places like london, paris, rome when they want to travel for vacations or business. that is being tough on russia. and the third thing is it has a

story for why collusion is illegal. that is the main legal argument that i took away from this. we talk about is it collusion legal or not, he is saying this was a conspiracy against the united states. and therefore going forward, if you are connected to what these people were doing, and in any way shape or form, you also broke the law. >> tell me about the oligarchy aka putin chef, cook, caterer. this puts it at putin's doorstep, does it not? >> yes. you know, the internet research agency, this entity that he set up, all these things that they did that has been expose the now in the mueller indictment, none of that would ever happen in russia autocratic russia, a place ruled by vladimir putin for 18 years unless he gave it personally the green light. i mean, just think about the reverse.

even in our highly decentralized system in america, can you imagine americans going undercover posing as russians to intervene in their elections without the white house being a part of that? it would never happen even in our system. in russia of course this was green lighted at the top. >> i want to get you to react to what sarah sanders said, that this president has been tougher on russia than the obama administration in eight years. what do you say to that? >> i don't think she knows the whole eight years. she'll have to read my new book coming out in may. where i talk about it all. but here's what i would say in fairness -- >> go to trump's record. what has he done right on russia in your opinion and what could he do more of? >> so you need to separate out the president from the trump administration's policies. that i think is very important. on policy, this may be shocking to the president himself, but i see a lot of continuity between obama and trump.

remember candidate trump said he was going to blow up nato and lift sanctions and look into recognizing crimea. he's done none of that. instead he's just kept the same basic policies that the obama administration had in place at the end of their administration. there has been two things that they have done aggressively. and they should get credit for that. one is lethal assistance to ukraine. that is a decision president obama did not make. the trump administration did make that and that is tougher on russia. and two the mueller indictment is tough on russia, that is something that had not happened before. but the problem is the president as you just rightly pointed out never talks that way. he has never criticized vladimir putin. 21 tweets or whatever and not one of them was aimed at putin. and therefore it creates the impression that all of these policies are being done despite president trump, not because he is showing presidential leadership.

>> so you know vladimir putin about as -- well, you know him well in some respect. it is hard to know this person very well. but how do you believe he is reacting to the fact that the president doesn't get tough on him the way everybody else in american government does? >> i've known putin for a long time. i wouldn't say we're facebook friends, but i first met him in -- >> he probably made up a facebook account and has friended you. sorry. >> actually, they have. that is empirically correct. on twitter as well. there is even a guy by the way called mcfalloff on twitter that tweets at me all the time. i kid you not. i'll tweet it to you. >> thank you. >> but to your point, one thing i know about putin, he doesn't respect weakness. he only respects strength. and a our president looked really weak this weekend, he

looked like he was flailing about. he didn't look confident. he was shooting at -- tweets off about everything and everybody except vladimir putin. that is a sign of weakness. that is how vladimir putin perceives our president today. >> michael mcfaul, of course our russian affairs analyst here, thank you, sir. let me bring in tonight's panel. ruth marcus bloomberg, a heel kapoor and also gretchen ryder. welcome all. so interesting tact i think. i just want to go with the tact that the white house is taking that no, hey, we are being tough on russia, which tells me they fear the idea the perception that they are not. >> yes, they do about that and i think they realize that there is a congress full of people including republicans and leaders in their party who are russia hawks at heart. democrats, some of them may not have been, but i think they -- >> they have become one now about that. >> so the policies that the

trump administration is capable of waging on this has limits based on what congress will allow. but the issue is kind of a personal no-fly zone for donald trump because he is unable to view it as anything other than an attack on the legitimacy of his presidency. shear a p here is a partial list. forcible kissing, barack obama, hillary clinton, oprah winfrey, cnn, russia hearing, adam schiff, the fbi, his national security adviser, the press in general, democrats. not a single tweet about russia. >> how do you explain it? >> i don't think you can other than the fact that the president is a brilliant communicator and knowing if he doesn't bring it up, then no one else will bring it up. and he continues to think that that is the solution here. for him -- >> and look, you are in trump country in texas. >> i am in trump country. >> it is working there. >> it is working. and him attacking the fbi, bringing into question mueller and the investigations, that is working. and what is sad is that the republican party used to be the party of national security and now we are not.

>> ruth. >> the notion that it is working is just kind of mind boggling. but we have -- >> i think it is working. to a point. >> well, what is the it that is working? that trump has -- >> he has a base of supporters. he has a base of supporters who basically believe his conspiracy, hit version of events. >> maybe. but then they are ignoring monthsst version of events. >> maybe. but then they are ignoring months version of events. >> maybe. but then they are ignoring months and months of history. from the moment of question of russian involvement in this election arose, donald trump did everything he could to muddy the waters, to suggest that it wasn't russia at all, to deny it even in the face of intelligence briefings when he was a candidate and during the transition and continues to -- i mean, what does -- you asked the question what does vladimir putin think. what does vladimir putin think reading this indictment and then going back and thinking, oh, yes, i told donald trump that i had nothing to do with this and

he said he believed that i believed that. that vladimir putin is thinking that the president looking foolish sfwlp he foolish. >> donald trump is somebody that will say anything in the moment to get a headline and to back people off. except on this issue. >> right. >> he will not even do the ham handed transparent doesn't really believe it because but i want to say it. >> and the immediate response to these indictments by bob mueller fanned out some of the aides on the news shows and started arguing that the indictments exonerate president trump because they suggest that the white house said that the russians who meddled were not trying to help trump defeat hillary clinton except the indictment literally said they were trying to help trump defeat hillary clinton. before that, they were trying to sow discord. that seems to be the overarching objective. but when they saw that the election was between these two, it seems clear now that they prefer trump.

after he was elected, they determined to sow discord. >> he doesn't want to accept the idea that yes, it was sowing discord and helping you. so what? >> and he wanted to win the presidency and he wanted to win it on his own. right? and to say that there is any meddling gives somebody else credit. granted this wasn't enough credit. you couldn't carry all the states he did with the small amount of investment that russia did make. but at the end of the day, it is his. and he wants to take that -- >> the media news cycle, he did get help in controlling the media news cycle's narrative with wikileaks. that is a fact. we don't know whether it changed votes, but we know that it created a news firestorm that helped him. >> and we know beyond that, we know he loved it. because he told us. >> he told us how much he loved it. >> so the reality no matter how much donald trump wants to forget what he said and wants to willfully misread the indictment

or have it misread for him is that we cannot know if this affected the election. we will never know. we're not going rerun the election. he was elected president. what a responsible dare i say patriotic president would have been doing for months now is to make sure that this never happens again. >> remember when bill clinton went and attacked saddam hussein for trying to as satisfies nad geor assassinate george r.h.w. bush? that is above politics. >> president trump would be on safer ground if he were to receive that, yes, the russians meddled given the consensus that the intelligence agencies. but argue that it is no the really the reason i got elected. he can make that case. and at the same time, he can also issue a presidential directive to make clear that this won't be to go rated by the united states in the 2018 election. the russians are still using

these tactics in the 2020 election. is the united states going to be ready by then. >> what we're seeing is throughout this administration, the president only acts when absolutely forced to act when it is against his instincts. so for example the action on bump stocks today. could have had that after las vegas. the action in terms of belatedly nine days after the fact saying it scarcely needs to be said that is he against domestic abuse. why not say it earlier. now this i'm always tough oningg that it is in-conrtrovertin-con. he only accepts realities when he is pushed to the wall on it. >> it is clear to me that there is -- there was times where sarah was fumbling. she couldn't explain the fbi thing. it was so clear. there were so many thises and

that and ums. >> diagram that sentence. >> exactly. >> having served on the hill and in the administration, you wake up every day knowing what your message is, what your boss believes and what he stands for. and it is so passe, but every day she has to respond to whatever tweet and defend and explain someone who is nearly i i in-defendable. >> if you took the tweet at face value, then he is blaming the fbi as being distracted. >> he is. >> all right. stick around. coming up, the president makes a surprise announcement on gun laws. we'll explain. ruth gave you a little tease on that. plus a big midterm win for the democrats without any votes even being cast. we'll be right back. if respect mom's got this cold

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. welcome back. we should know before friday whether or not republican senator bob corker will change his mind and instead seek re-election this year in tennessee according to two sources. corker who has battled with president trump and referred to the white house at some times as a, quote, adult daycare center, announced last year that he was going to leave the senate, but there are signs he is reconsidering. last week his spokesperson said, quote, the senator has been encouraged to reconsider his decision and is listening closely. now, congresswoman marsha blackburn is running for the senate and she say she will stay in the race regardless of what corker chooses to do saying, quote, anyone who thinks marsha blackburn can't win a general election is just a plain sexist pig. she's the best fundraiser in the country and is beating the potential democratic nominee in several polls.

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. welcome back. the biggest development of the 2018 election so far isn't a candidate getting in to a race, it isn't gettinga candidate gett of a race. and it isn't a scandal. it is a man. for the past few weeks, the midterm wins seem to be at the republican backs of late. president trump's job rating was inching up for a while. tax law becoming more popular. and a couple of top level candidates announced that they were running rather than not running. but those wins just shifted back into the democratic party's

direction. pennsylvania supreme court released its new congress apmap and it gives democrats a big pick me up, a shot at picking up as many as six seats. the new map align it is more closely with counties which will help democrats who are clustered in the areas around major cities. republicans are already pushing back and vowing to challenge it in federal court. 25% of what they need they can now get out of pennsylvania. that is unbelievable. joining me now is one of the most knowledgeable people out there on house elections and 2018 midterms, david wasser ma. we've seen what you said about this map. and let me get at the initial criticism that comes from brian todd, republican consultant, people see him on the show, which is okay, one partisan gerri man der eed map that favod

the republican just got replaced by another partisanly drawn map. is that fair? >> the republican map that had been in place was a pretty egregious gerrymander. even when they won a minority of the vote. >> that is the definition of a gerrymander. >> right. so the democratic map -- or the man that the court put in place is probably the best case scenario for democrats. i think republicans have a right to be slightly annoyed because it does actively help democrats in certain parts of the state when parity versus the currentity map. but still -- >> so it only on looks like a gerrymander if you believe the baseline was the original republican gerrymander. >> right. and democrats already had up to sikts unit its to pick up republican seats in the state. what this map does is it makes the opportunities a lot better. those now become much easier targets. >> so let's explain geographically. essentially what it did it seems as if it made southeast

pennsylvania in the area around philadelphia, it just put it all on county lines. and just split things evenly that way and made it that much easier. >> yeah, the old trick for republicans was to stretch those districts out from the inner philadelphia suburbs. >> spoken hub approach. >> yeah, into amish country. and now they are around suburban collar counties. now after pennsylvania's remap, there are 25 republican seats nationwide, won by hillary clinton. this pennsylvania map adds two more. and that is important because that is one more than the number of seats democrats need for the house. >> the nrc has tried to file an appeal in the courts. supreme court already said no to a stay on this. they decided not to get involved. what makes the nrc think that the supreme court will get involved this time? >> republicans are desperate. they can't stand this map. but if the supreme court already

declined once to get involved, i doubt they will get involved now. >> we have an odd situation here. takes new congre it is a new congressional map. there is a special election, not insignificant, in the old p.a. 18. how much -- what is the impact on that race in your opinion? >> well, in the immediate term, not much. because that district will be in place for march 13th. but the interesting thing is neither the democrat nor the republican live in the new incarnation of that district under the new plan. so you could have -- >> is there any sitting member of congress that does? >> no. so the republican could move to that new district to run. and you could have connor lam challenging the incumbent in a much more democratic friendly district to hold on to his seat or win a seat. >> this is where it gets weird if you are the two major parties here. if you are the dccc, do you put the money into lam?

i guess you say maybe because that other district that is next door where he actually lives is only in r plus three. >> right. >> so then the investment will pay off. but the republicans now, it is tough to make that investment pay off. >> yeah, this is a confusing situation not just for voter, 2000 candidates as well. and for democrats, you'd much rather have connor lam win that special election so he is running against potentially another incumbent as an incumbent. >> people are thinking well, there are other maps. i know wisconsin is under fire and we had a florida redraw. where are we in the man situation for 2018? is this the last unknown mapping?pn situation for 2018? is this the last unknown mapping? >> i think this is it because filing deadlines have already passed in a few states. but the big question, what will the stream court do on partisan gerrymandering when it issues its ruling. can it find a clear standard to

define partisan gerrymandering that has escaped them so long. i'm doubtful, but we'll see. >> and if they do that, they would have to immediately redo wisconsin and maryland under that scenario or does everything wait until 2021? >> the court decision would come late enough i believe that it would be too late to do anything for 2018. but it could potentially throw 40 plus states maps into the courts by 20 on 20. >> and i got you here as a house guy. another retirement yesterday. this one surprised me, tom rooney. seems to be somebody who is building a profile in florida, this is sort of a central south florida congressman. he is north of palm beach county in the jupiter area. and he is walking away from a pretty safe district. what is that about? >> yeah, you now have over 51 open seats in the house i believe. >> 42 now republican.

>> right. and so there is clearly an exod exodus. if we get past 67, that would be a record in the post-world war ii era. and you can't blame some republicans for leaving because they are not sure whether their leader is going to stick around. >> interesting. and the more paul ryan stays around, easier for these guys to say i'm out? >> it could be. also the anticipation of potentially losing the majority. although republicans are in a little bit better position today than we were two months ago. >> just seemed odd. tom rooney retires just when numbers are starting to get better. who knows. always fun for you. and you've been an important follow for everybody who geeks out on house races. >> thanks. up ahead, students riding for change. after the shooting at their husbanhigh school, bus loads of florida teens are heading to tallahassee. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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welcome back. since the deadly school shooting this parkland, we've heard impassioned pleas from students and teachers for some form of action on gun laws. and just this afternoon, the president did announce this. >> just a few moments ago, i signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns. i expect that these critical regulations will be finalized, jeff, very soon. >> bump stocks of course was the issue after the las vegas mass shooting. not this most recent mass

shooting.y stoneman douglas wan ban on assault rifles. as we speak, those students are on their way to tallahassee. the students might not like what they hear. the florida statehouse voted against considering a ban on assault rifles. that action scuttles the measure for this legislative session. let me go to tammy leitner who has been traveling on the bus with the students. they are currently in the midst of a dinner pit stop on their way to tallahassee. tammy, you've been talking with these students. spending time with them. they are i assume starting to become more aware of the politics of tallahassee. how have they been resktsacting this? >> reporter: we're essentially 4 hours in to this 400 mile journey.

they have stopped for dinner. in a lot of ways it feels like a normal field trip. we have chaperones, kids sharing snacks, joking around, but the a somber tone and a bigger feel. and that is because they are taking on a national issue. and so how did they take on a national issue like gun control? ernest calderon, you have been very outspoken. and how do you take on such a large issue and bring about change? >> to really bringing about change, what we want to talk about are small steps. the first small step we're taking is talking to governor rick scott today hopefully and tomorrow at the florida capitol. another small step we could do is maybe make background checks a little stricter. and i feel like finally since the kids are speaking on you after a tragedy like this, there will be some change. >> and you seem very confident. >> yes.

because frankly, i've lived in this country for a fairly long time for me. and since i've been born, there have always been mass shootings in this country and i feel like being one of the first people in a generation that has to grow up with this sort of just disgusting tragedy, i'm sick of it frankly. i'm sick of it. and i really think that because i've had to deal with it my entire life, it has to stop. >> just in the last few hours, possibly some discouraging news, florida state legislators have shot down a ban that could stop assault weapons. does this temper your drive, your enthusiasm for pushing forward? >> not at all. because when you lose somebody you care about in something like this, they're motivation enough. every single day i'm reminded of the people i lost. and they motivate me to no end.

so i will not slow down because the legislature before even speaking to us has shut down something that we aren't even completely for. we're not for banning any type of gun. what we are is for stronger background checks. >> reporter: so there you go, chuck. you heard it. they are not letting this stand in their way. they are not looking at this as a road block or a hurdle. they are going to continue to push forward. and where one thing stops them, they will keep going forward and moving around it. >> and i'm also impressed with the pragmatism and sort of the straight toward about everything is a step. to know that already at 16, that that is how the process works, change takes a while. having that patience shows a lot of maturity, that is for sure. tammy leitner, thank you very much. up ahead, new questions about donald trump's business dealings. but not the donald trump you're thinking of. obster with exciting new dishes

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welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with donald trump meeting with fosh lereign leaders. not this donald trump, this donald trump. yep, the president's name sake who hasn't been shy about defending his father's political views is in india where he seems to be mixing business with politics. which is exactly what the trump family promised it would not do. but don jr. seemed to say that

mixing the two is unavoidable. >> obviously the business responsibility is a great one and even though i'm not in the administration, politics becomes a part of it. >> the president's son is in india to promote the trump organization's luxury apartments. and he is not quite the business meeting lined up. >> you will be meeting prime minister on the sidelines of the summit. no government official, but do you have anything in mind in what you will be discussing with him? >> no, not really. again, i'm here as a businessman and there is a reason why india is way before we were ever in politics but a place that we were looking to do deals and invest in. >> you heard that right, the prime minister of india is meeting on the sidelines with the president's son. president trump hasn't divested from his business, which means he could profit from his son's deal making with india. and just as a reminder, here is what the constitution says about profiting from politics. no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall without the consent of the

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time for the lid. panel is back. i want it quickly start with guns. i thought the "washington post" poll today was incredibly misleading in this respect. the headline claimed growing majority for guns. but if you look at the polls, it

showed you why nothing has changed on the gun debate because of how polarized democrats and republicans are on this issue. so to me, 58% isn't the story. it is the fact that there is really no movement. and until you have that, there is -- big stuff doesn't happen. >> there has been movement on assault weapons. >> it didn't look a lot, but okay. among independents and democrats, yeah. >> you know, i got to say those kids were great though. talk about polling people. >> i thought there was a maturity about his expectations, too, at least that one young man. >> sort of go to the reality of the poll. >> it is a powerful thing to see children speak out directly on this. putting congress on notice saying your thoughts and prayers are not enough, we want you to take action. that is a remarkable thing and there is data that shows there is social media engagement on the issue of guns for a longer period of time. it usually dies away. that is one different thing. the other different thing between now and this

post-shooting a s. that there is a republican president in the white house. if he decides to support something, whether it is stricter background checks or an assault weapons ban, i don't expect him to do >> force you to defend texas ground here. but in some ways you're here in the cultural heart, both florida and texas, when it comes to the gun culture. is there movement on this? does this at all shape texas's gun culture? >> a little bit, right? i think that they understand if they don't do something, if they don't go ahead and propose a plan about responsible gun owner ship and challenge our leaders to talk about other levels. this was a failure on the school's level, on law enforcement's level, on the fbi level. i think what most people are worried about, does this take

away my ability as a sensitive gun owner to own a gun. >> it comes from sitting with three of the sandy hook moms and talking to them right before the senate failed to override the filibuster on background checks. and they were crying and i was crying and if that didn't help get a very small sensible change in the law over the hurdle, i don't know what will. now we hear the president talking about or sarah sanders, or the president talking about bump stocks. this just came from senator feinstein, she said, the atf said in a 2018 letter to congress, stocks of this type are not subject to the federal firearms statute. so if you can't do it by regulation, which is what she's saying, you need legislation. >> translation pass a law.

>> translation pass a law, translation good luck with that. >> the only way to have this debate is to have compassion on the gun control side as well as on the gun rights side. they have massive armies of single issue voters who are mobilized to punish lawmaker who is cross them. the discussion has come a long way. >> it's the mothers who are going to change this debate. >> you think that's true? they didn't in sandy hook. >> it's not just the moms of the victims. when i was talking about texas gun owners, i'm talking about gun toting moms. >> they want their pig tostol at the same time don't want assault weapons. >> it's a rallying cry. >> right, it is. and that's what the new yora hae

effectively. they're being an effective trade association for their clients. >> the one thing i would say to the kids, the young people who are being really effective lobbyists. it's not about the nra mobilization, it's about lawmakers getting rated by the nra. >> i think it's more of a culture. the nra has changed. they don't even talk about guns. they talk about patriotism. it's the american way to own a gun. >> there's a new poll out by quinnipiac that show that 90% of gun owners are in favor of background checks. it's the mentality of the people have, you do background checks today, then you take away my guns. i don't want to give a single quarter to that. that's what the pro gun control side needs to change.

>> yeah, my goal is to get rid of these guns. >> and have you ever watched the hunting channel at night? >> i watch the hunting channel with my husband at night. >> i mean i just shot my first deer a few weeks ago. we watch the hunting channel at night and the nra has these patriotic commercials. >> it's not about guns though. >> it's not about guns, it is cultural, it's about an organize that has money. >> our pollsters said today, will millennial's change this, sort of the way -- gay rights was a very polarizing issue until it wasn't. then it became a 70% issue for millennial's. he's watching millennial's on guns, if they move to 70% on an assault weapons ban, that can actually change the culture, so until that happens, we're going to stay polarized. >> i really want that to be

right, but with gay rights, they weren't wresting marriage out of somebody's cold, dead hand. i understand there were issues of the sanctity of marriage and the sense that it was changing the nature of marriage, but people didn't feel under assault, pardon the pun, in the way i think they may feel on the gun debate. >> here's a way of looking at it, everybody knew somebody who was gay eventually. we're getting to the point where everybody knows they're one or two degrees away from someone who's been a victim, and who's known a victim. i'm now there. i have staffers who know people that were killed. my point is, as that happens does it change? >> that was my point that quinnipiac found today that the highest support for gun control nationally, in the history of the gun debate. >> the good news is that a lot of people are going to be watching the hunting channel

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