here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. an emotional day at the white house. students, parents and teachers share stories about gun violence and president trump promising to take action. plus, exclusive reporting from nbc news, federal investigators looking into whether paul manafort promised a banker a job in the trump white house in return for millions of dollars in loans. and remembering billy graham, president trump, his predecessors and many others mourning the passing of an iconic evangelist. good morning, everyone. i am ayman moyheldin along same

yasmin vossoughian. we begin at the white house where president trump hosted survivors of family members in search of solutions. here is some of what was said. >> i'm only 15 years old. i'm a sophomore. 19 years ago, the first school shooting at columbine high school happened. and i was born into a world where i never got to experience safety and peace. there needs to be a significant change in this country because this has to never happen again. people should be able to feel when they go to school they can be safe. >> i'm very angry that this happened because it keeps happening. 9/11.happened once and they fixed everything. how many schools, how many children have to get shot? it stops here with this administration and me, all the

school shootings. it doesn't make sense. fix it. it should have been one school shooting and we should have fixed it. and i'm pissed because my daughter i'm not going to see again. she's not here. she's not here. she's at -- in north louderdale at wherever it is, king david cemetery. that's where i go to see my kid now. school safety. it's not about gun laws right now. that's another battle. let's fix the schools. we need our children safe. >> i had two sons who were at sandyhook school. my eldest who was 8 at the time survived and my 6-year-old done, dillon, did not. and i have been working tirelessly on this issue for over five years now. i absolutely agree, since sandy

hook, there has been an increase in school safety and security. we've invested a lot in the bricks and mortar of our schools, we've invested a lot in the security of our schools. i think we also need to focus on prevention. the how do we prevent these acts from happening? how do we help had identify and get help for people who are at risk of hurting themselves and others before they pick up any weapon. right now, you could mandate these sorts of programs. you could ensure that schools, students and educators are trained how to recognize these signs and to know what to do when they see them and enensure those tips are followed through. you have the ability to save lives today. please don't waste this. >> my name is sam zeiff. i'm a student from marjory stoneman douglas. i was on the second floor in that building, texting my mom, texting my dad, texting three of my brothers that i was never

going to see them again. and then it occurred to me that my 14-year-old brother was directly above me. in that classroom. where scott beagle was murdered. scott beagle got my brother and the class. he was the last kid to get back into that class. i turned 18 the day after, woke up to the news that my best friend was gone and i don't understand why i can still go in a store and buy a weapon of war, an ar. how are we not stopping this after columbine, after sandy hook? i'm sitting with a mother that lost her son and it's still happening. >> so much emotion in that room.

>> painful. >> i hope the legislators and people of the white house were listening yesterday during that listening session. so while the listening session was going on, hundreds of students from the washington, d.c. area walked out of school yesterday afternoon to call for gun reform. they started at the u.s. capital and marched to the white house carrying signs and chanting. inside the white house, a photograph was taken showing president trump holding what appeared to be handwritten talking points while he hosted his listening session, the last point reading, i hear you. after listening to a series of emotional stories recounting school shootings, the president vowed action, floating ideas like arming teachers and school staff. >> this would only be, obviously, for people that are very adept at handling a gun. and it would be -- it's called concealed carry where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them. they would go for special

training. you would no longer have a gun-free zone. a gun-free zone to a maniac, because they're all cowards, a gun free zone is let's go in and let's attack because bullets aren't coming back at us. if you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, it could very well end the attack quickly. >> in addition to everything else, in addition to what we're going to do about background checks, we're going to go very strong into age, that's age of the pure cass and we're going to go very strong into the mental health aspect of what's going on. here was a case where it cried out, this person was sick. >> it's really some controversial moments there, to say the least. coming up on "morning joe," froed gutenburg, the father of parkland shooting victim jamie gutenburg will be a guest on the

show. thousands rallied for gun control measures with students leading the charge. there we heard from a young man who survived the pulse nightclub shooting and, of course, survivors from stoneman douglas high school. >> i'm not trying to take away your second amendment rights nor am i trying to eliminate all guns, but we cannot protect our guns before we protect our children. >> after first graders were gunned down at sandy hook, what did you do? >> nothing. >> not a damn thing. you ran back to your gun-free

spaces in washington, d.c. and hid under your desks until cnn stopped talking about it. after 49 people, including my two brothers, were murdered at pulse, what did you do? >> nothing. >> not a damn thing. should you continue to choose your wallets over our lives, i pray you enjoy retirement. because we will vote you out. >> all right. stoneman douglas students also met with legislatuawmakers, buty walked away disappointed. joining us now, white house reporter for "the associated press," catherine lucy. a lot of emotions from florida, d.c., it's obviously a movement that's happening across the country. let's focus on the white house for a moment. president trump hearing this or holding this listening session with students, parents and

teachers impacted by gun violence. what was the biggest take away from the conversation? was in this just a photo-op, you think, or are we going to see some genuine concrete steps from the white house? >> i really can't overstate what a stunning scene this was yesterday. but you really saw the raw emotion and passion and frustration we've seen. that was notable. it was an hour long cameras rolling, very open, very passionate conversation about gun violence and what it does to families, what it does to children. and you saw the president listening. he did what he said he would do. he listened, he asked questions. there were a variety of policy ideas discussed, but no clear take away. the question, as you say now, is where does it go from now? and the white house has made clear that they want to do something, but we're looking to

see now exactly what shape this takes. >> so let's talk congress here. they return to the hill next week. a lot on their docket, but this will be top of mind considering the last week that we have had, ten days or so that we have had. what is the likelihood for something to actually get done in congress, something tangible here, for that momentum to really be sort of maintained with regards to gun reform? >> yes. well, and what we've seen, obviously, with past shooting tragedies is momentum and conversation and not necessarily any legislative action. we saw that after legislation, for example, when there was a big flurry of interest around doing something on bump stocks, you know, modify weapons, and then ultimately that hasn't come to pass. there's a lot of different ideas being discussed right now, ranging from, you know, doing something on bump stocks, background checks, there is talk

about raising the age limit on assault-type weapons. given that we have a republican controlled congress, a republican president, it seems more likely that if something happens, it's going to be a more modest set of changes. >> we'll have to wait and see exactly what happens over the next week or so. thanks, catherine. nbc news reports that federal investigators are probing whether trump campaign chair paul manafort promised a chicago banker a job in the white house in return for $16 million in home loans. two people with direct knowledge of the matter said special counsel bob mueller's team is investigating whether there was a quid pro quo agreement between manafort and steven coch, a member of president trump adviser deem. around that time, manafort left the campaign after reports

questioning the millions manafort had received while working for pro refreshan interests in ukraine. three separate loans manafort received in december of 2016 and january of 2017 from coch'sing bank were for homes in new york city, virginia and the hamptons. coch did not return requests for comment. me charges again manafort may have been filed under seal after mueller's team indicated last week it recovered additional information regarding bank fraud. the u.s. mourned the loss of evangelist billy graham yesterday. graham, who provided prayer and personal advice to every u.s. president, start, harry s. truman died in him home in north

carolina at the age of 99. president trump took to twittory express his condolences to tweet out, the great billy graham is dead. there was nobody like him. he will be missed by christians and all religions. a very special man. trump directed that flags be flown at half-staff on the day of graham's interment. still ahead, we'll go live to florida after yesterday's gun control rally at the state capital. and later, the death toll is climbing after a wave of air strike necessary syria. we'll have the latest on that and check off your weather when we come back. people would stare.

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to me. i've walked into office into office into office and i've spoken with three representatives, two of which have agreed with me. i want to see those people who shot down that bill who did not let it get past committee. i want to see those peel. i'm not sheer for a fight. i'm not here to argue with you. i just want to speak. i just want to see your face and know why. >> so that was just one of the many stoneman douglas high school students who spoke out yesterday. >> remarkable how many young students have stepped forward and have been so articulate on the subject. >> absolutely. they were speaking with lawmakers about gun control, as we know. what mo what more are we learning about yesterday's events? >> these students are so committed. i've talked to lots of them in the past few days.

they are not going to stop. certainly in tallahassee, they were hoping for some better results. they didn't feel like they were making the impact or that they were being received as they thought they should have been after the terror that they experienced, that they survived themselves here last week in south florida. have a listen to what that frustration was like for one student. >> try as they might, the most we've got out of them is we'll keep you in our thoughts. you are so strong, so powerful. we've heard enough of that. we are not here to be patted on the back. we are not here to be told we are great because we know what we're doing. we are doing it for a reason. we are doing it so our lawmakers will make a change, so that they will take us seriously, so that they will not dismiss us any longer, so they won't reschedule, so they won't push us into another room as they

dance around our questions. we came here prepared. we know what we want. we want gun reform. we want common sense gun laws. we want stronger mental health backgrounds. we want a better age limit. we have privatized selling to be reformed so you can't walk into a building with $130 and walk out with an ar-15. >> so it's clear, these students are not going to put up with inaction. they say they want to go back to tallahassee more times. there's only about two weeks left in the legislative session there. also, action right here in south florida. just last night where i am, classmates of the ones you just heard, they were taking federal lawmakers to task, including senator marco rubio, taking him to task specifically over his donations from the nra, asking him if he was willing to perhaps decline those donations. these are fired up students. and they won't give up. they say they're fighting for every student in america. >> marco rubio's answer to that

was he wasn't because an organization like the nra support his platform. >> and that's how important money is in politics. it taints the process. >> and that's part of the argument for taking money out of politics. thank you. let's bring in meteorologist bill karins is going to try to explain to us what happened yesterday because it really felt like it was a nice, summer day. i have to keep looking down and be like, wait, it's february, guys. >> i the thought at any moment, actually, a snowstorm was about to hit. >> she couldn't believe it was so good. >> the honest truth is, i had to carry a jacket the entire time just in case there was a sudden turn. and my poor son was still in a turtleneck all day because i was worried. >> my 8-year-old i picked up for school was like, dad, is it supposed to be 80 in winter? i was like, i hope not. usually we tell you where the record highs were.

all the red dots here in the northeast show you locations that saw their warmest february day ever recorded. for new york city, records book ga to 1869. with all the way through the northeast, we had hundreds of record highs. so we still have this problem back in areas where the cold air and the warm air are still colliding. all these red polygons here, these are the counties and parishes in louisiana that the are under flash flood watches. numerous roads are closed in this area and another 3 to 5 inches is expected. how about cleveland, 70 degrees yesterday at this time and now you have snow and sleet mix in the area. rainfall today, another 52 to 7 over the next three or four days

in this area. once again, southern great lakes, ohio valley been and now we're watching our friends in the texarcana region. it's been a fascinating week to follow the weather pattern and to try to dress yourself is a challenge. >> as we can see, it's over and it's back to reality. >> thanks for that, bill. still ahead, all the latest from pyeongchang where the 20-year-old gold drought is finally over and with the end of the games fast approaching, who is going to lead the u.s. delegation at the closing ceremonies? find out next in sports. he

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. welcome back, everybody. time for sports. the drought is over after 20 years of not winning a gold, the usa women's hockey team defeated canada 3-2 in an amazing shoot-out capturing the.top spot in the winter olympics. that is quite remarkable. trailing 2-1 in the third period, mirando tied the game forcing it into overtime. then the davison finished the drought in the shoot-out giving the usa its first gold medal since 1998. after falling in his first two runs, skier david wise defended his free ski halfpipe gold. after completing an incredible third run landing double corks in four directions.

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the president held what he called the listening session, he prepared some students who were victims of the shootings. a photographer got a shot of his notes and zoomed in. the this is for real. number one was what would you most want me to know about your experience. numbers two three four are covered by his tiny the fingers but number five is i hear you. we know trump didn't write that himself because he spelled the word "hear" correctly. a quick note to let you know you're not a good listener is if

you need a note to tell you to listen at a listening session. >> welcome back, everyone. it is the bottom of the hour. after listen to go a series of personal and emotional stories from students of families affected by gun violence, president trump is vowing to take action. >> one by one, they delivered powerful statements to the president as hundreds of students from across the area rallied outside the white house. nbc news national correspondent peter alexander has all the details. >> before an audience of one, pain and anger. >> i'm pissed because my daughter, i'm not going to see again. king david cemetery, that's where i go to see my daughter now. how many schools, how many children have to go shot? it stops here with this administration and me. >> sam zeiff lost his best friend.

>> let's be strong for the fallen who don't have a voice to speak any more and let's never let this happen again. please, please. >> nicole hawkly's 6-year-old son was murdered at sandy hook. >> you don't want to be me. no parent does. and you have the ability to make a difference and save lives today. please don't leave this. >> president trump vowing action. >> it's not going to be the talk like it has been in the past. it's been going on too long, too many instances. and we're going to get it done. >> the president with talking points in his hands, including one reading i hear you. outside, loud protests. hundreds of high school students demanding something be done, worried they could be next. >> could a shooter be walking into my school and i could by sitting at a table trying to learn and i get shot.

>> to the nra, i can proudly say i will never, ever let you down. >> now appearing open to modest changes like strengthening background checks and opposing new regulations on bump stocks, still neither of those moves would have prevented last week's tragedy. >> if he's not old enough to buy a drink, to go and buy a beer, he should not be able to buy a gun at 18 years old. as for a new bipartisan push to raise the age for owning a gun to 21, president trump says that's now on the table, too. peter alexander, nbc news, the white house. coming up on "morning joe," everybody, fred gutenburg, the father of parkland shooting victim jamie gutenburg will be a guest on the show. >> many students marched out of class to take part in the rallies. joining us now from sunrise, florida, nbc reporter julia bag. julia, what are students saying

after yesterday's meetings? >> ayman, good morning. so those students from stoneman the state level here in florida. but a lot of what they came away with from that trip is certainly some disappointment. >> the way people today have greetsed us or not greeted us, we aren't being taken seriously enough. now, i personally don't know the steps that we're going to have to take, but once we figure that out, we're going to take them and you better believe we're going to take them as soon as possible. we are old enough to understand why a senator cares about re-election or not. we are old enough to to understand why someone might want to discredit us for their own political purposes. but we will not be silenced. >> now, those students also say they want to make more trips back to tallahassee. there's just about two weeks left in the legislative session. other students, their other classmates speaking to federal lawmakers here where i am last night taking senators rubio, senator marco rubio and bill

nelson to task. what we could see there really was it does appear that there is some common ground, some bipartisan room to make some change for gun reform, which is exactly what they're saying and what they say they won't stop until it happens. i'm julia bag in sunrise. ayman, back to you. >> thank you very much for us in florida. republican congresswoman claudia tenny of new york had this to say about the mass shootings yesterday. >> that's what scares me most is a lot of these legal gun owners are going to be targeted now who have -- they are the being. >> in their demographic, they have the least amount of crimes of virtually any other -- >> but they tend to vote republican. they tend to be white. most gun crimes are occurring in what's euphemistically called the inner-cities and they're the ones that generally democrats are going to bend over backwards to protect so you don't hear about mandatory sentences for

people involving gun crimes in, say, albany, new york. >> obviously, there'slty of politics in it and it's interesting that so many of these people that commit the mass murders end up being democrats, but we don't want to talk about that, either. >> wow. >> so loaded. so tenny defended her comments, though, in a statement writing in part, quote, while we know the perpetrators of these atrocities have a wide variety of political views, my comments are in response to a question about the failure to prosecutor illegal gun crime. democrat anthony vendici called her comments a new low. catherine, thanks for being back with us. in stick, this gun conversation,

there's been a discussion on moving the gun limit from 18 to 21. is this something that we are likely to see get support from republican lawmakers? >> right. well, it's certainly something that's getting a lot of conversation and bipartisan conversation right now. the president has expressed interest or openness to this idea. one person who has been in his ear about it was what ralgerald. we know marco rubio expressed interest in this and senators jeff feinstein is looking into this. so there's a lot of conversation. but it's important to note that the nra has come out clearly against doing anything like this. it's not clear if there will be enough momentum to move it along. >> and you heard there, one of

the men was saying, how could you be old enough to own a gun, but not old enough to buy a bottle of beer. so it is one of those questions that remains dumbfounded. let me ask you quick by will what trump had to say. he's going to support a move to ban bump stocks and strengthen background checks in the wake of congress's inaction after the las vegas shooting when they tried to debate it a little bit. is it likely we'll see either issue taken up on the hill? is that realistic to expect congress to do anything else about guns with everything else congress is trying to do this year? >> well, we have to see what happens obviously when they come back. what is clear is there is a lot of momentum and a lot of interest around doing something. bump stocks, you know, the president is trying to say if that's possible to do through regulation. we'll wait and see if that is possible. and there has been, you know, bipartisan talk around doing something that basically would strengthen the existing background check system. i do think one thing that it does feel different this time

with this tragic shooting compared to some of the past ones is just the level of engagement and passion and speaking out that we're hearing from the student survivors. they're planning a march in washington in a couple of weeks. so i think there's going to be a huge amount of pressure to show some kind of action. so maybe that ends up being around some of these more modest items. i think there is a lot of interest in doing something. >> i'm wondering if there's enough momentum surrounding the gun reform legislation that if there is an action over the next seven months or so, to november november, if there will be affects in the mid temple elections. . >> you're right. we'll see how it plays out. so associated attorney general rachel brand is stepping down and is now speaking out.

the number three official at the justice department denied reports that leaving had anything to do with overseeing the investigation. brand said, quote, anyone who actually knows me knows that had nothing to do with my departure. she added she never had reason to believe the russia probe would ever be her responsibility, anyway. in a radio interview yesterday, senator bernie sanders appeared to blame hillary clinton for not doing more to combat russian interference in the 2016 election. while speaking with vermont public radio, sanders was asked why he did not warn his supporters about russian box, trying to promote discord between himself and clinton. listen to this. >> i would say the real question to be asked was what was the clinton campaign -- they had more information than we did and at this point we were working with them. >> so the senator later released

another statement saying no candidate should have to wage an electoral contest in the face of foreign government intervention. it is an outrage that she had to run against not only donald trump, but also the russian government. all americans rightly expect a fair election free of intervention. trump's former bodyguard has been paid $15,000 a month from the gop slush fund. those payments totaled $75 thoous $75,000 as of last month. now, the former director of oval office operations and 20-year-old trump employee controlled access to the information directly to trump before his role was limited by chief of staff john kelly.

shiller could receive upwards of $500,000 from the rnc by the time the convention actually arrives, considerably more than what he had made during his time at the white house and obviously during the trump campaign. unlike trump campaign and finances, the funding the rnc allocates is up to its discretion ask is lightly regulated. the rnc can accept up to $101,000 per donor per year. still ahead, the united nation is looking to take action as the violence against civilians in syria continues to escalate. plus, a potential major blow to israel benjamin netanyahu aide turns witness in a corruption case.

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u.n. officials are now calling this a monsterus disregard for human life. at least 38 people were killed yesterday alone bringing the total killed since the attack tacks began there on sunday to 58 people. the city is located on the outskirts of damascus and is one of the last major areas that remains under rebel control. amid the schilling and air strikes, they are waiting for their turn to die. the u.n. secretary general which is scheduled to meet today on the fighting demanded yesterday an immediate end to that ongoing barrage that is taking place there. the council is being urged to consider a resolution which calls for a 30-day cease-fire in syria. >> keep thinking it can't get worse and then it does. >> how many times have we these headlines where they call for a

cease-fire and -- >> and nothing changes. imagine that reality every single day of your life. turning to israel now, a close aide to prime minister benjamin netanyahu has agreed to testify against him as part of a corruption case again the leader. netanyahu's former director of the communications ministry, filb filber has agreed to become a former witness in what is expected to be a blow against the prime minister. filber is scheduled to testify whether he arranged positive coverage for netanyahu. the former aide is one of a handful of netanyahu confidants a and executives that police have arrested this week. yett netanyahu has denied all wrongdoing. >> and it's all going to come down to that country's attorney

general. but the police have made their recommendations that he should be charged for those crimes. let's switch gears and get a check on our weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill. >> summer and winter continue in a short space across the country with a flooding threat in the middle. temperatures cooled off cart mat ekly across the east. the cold front has come through in the mid-atlantic is cooling off today. but the front is going to fall out and it's not going to make it down to the southeast. we've had hundreds of the last couple of days. 82 tallahassee, a record, and raleigh, around 77. the front has stalled. 16 million people under flash flood watch. all these people in southern arkansas, mississippi and louisiana are under flash flood warnings. numerous roads are flooded out in this region. how about the northern portion efs of the ohio valley? yesterday morning, the fronts

was coming through and it was warm. now we have another front coming through and we have sleet and freezing snow. watch out for ice in areas like st. louis. as we go throughout the day today, we're going to see a lot of places dealing with a little bit of snow and ice especially as we go throughout the midwest. minneapolis could get some snow, too. it's a crazy weather map, guys, just depending on where you are. it's either winter or early summer. >> thanks a lot for that, bill. still ahead, one senator is demanding answers over donald trump's trip to india and whether taxpayer money is being used in his time pitching the family business. plus, a purge of russian bots. that and other business news next.

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welcome back, everybody. the top democrat in the senate foreign relations committee is demanding answers over whether taxpayer money is being used to assist the eldest son during his business trip to india. raising concerns and questions over donald trump jr.'s trip to promote real estate projects in that country on behalf of the trump organization. now the senator is requesting information that includes whether personnel at the embassy briefed don jr. or provide additional consultation for his visit. according to the washington post, the u.s. embassy said its staff did not advise or assist fru trump jr. on a speech he is

supposed to give tomorrow. his speech is expected to be focused on endo pacific relations at a business summit. don jr.'s trip has raised concern among some ethics watchdogs that the trump organization is touting access to the president's son abroad but he's pushing back saying any talk of his family profiting from his father's presidency is quote, nonsense. don jr. says his family is actually missing out on business opportunities because his father pledged to conduct no new foreign business while he was in office. let's turn to business for a moment. the federal reserve meeting minutes signaling that the economy is strong enough and ready for an interest rate hike and reversing what would have been a 300 point rally. we're joined live from london. good to have you with us this morning. what more can you tell us about what happened yesterday? a little bit unexpected. >> reporter: absolutely. it's got a little bit spooked by

those minutes and it's given a signal that they were going to hike more than what the market is expecting potentially hiked four times this year and that sends yields a lot higher. as a consequence, equities came off a little bit. we also see some of that weakness extending to asian equities down. it doesn't look as though it's going to be a good day for u.s. equities in trading either. another quick story for you. a senior executive at fords has been fired following misconduct allegations. he used to run the north american business. a difficult time as they lost their ceo last year as well. >> it's become a central point in the ongoing discussions in the meddling of u.s. elections. twitter deleted thousands of suspected bot accounts. these automatic robot accounts without warning. what is the company saying about their decision and how is that reaction playing out?

>> absolutely. so they have deleted thousands of accounts that were bots or also just had conducted other violations on the space and this has affected many conservative media figures who have gone to twitter to express outrage because of the moves. those figures include bill mitchell and richard spencer. of course this comes at a time -- an interesting time for twitter because they're one of the key platforms that have been implicated vis-a-vis russian interference in the elections back in 2016. >> thank you. coming up next on morning joe, the emotional meeting between president trump and the survivors and family members of victims of the florida school shooting. fred guddenburg who lost his daughter discussing his thoughts and the president's remarks including his idea of potentially arming teachers. that's coming up. plus, democratic congressmen discuss what actions they want

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welcome back. before we toss it back over to morning joe, let's get a check on the stories on the day ahead. cpac kicks off today. vice president mike pence set to speak this morning along with education secretary and senator ted cruz. president trump will address the crowd tomorrow. >> space x will try to launch one of its falcon nine rockets. space xceo elon musk called off the launch due to strong high altitude winds. it will carry a satellite into space. that's certainly something i'll be watching. >> certainly. morning joe starts right now. >> were guns the factor in our kids? >> what you're asking about is a assault weapons ban.

>> yes, sir. >> so let me behonest with that one. if i believe that law would have prevented this from happening i would support it but i want to explain to you why it would not. >> senator rubio, my daughter running down the hallway at marjory douglas was shot in the back with an assault weapon. the weapon of choice. >> yes, sir. >> okay? it is too easy to get. it is a weapon of war. the fact that you can stand with everybody in this building and say that, i'm sorry. >> sir, i do believe what you're saying is true. >> the man you just heard from is fred and his daughter jaimee was murdered