that does it for me. i'm alex witt. "am joy" is next. >> i'm a big fan of the nra. these are great people, great patriots. they love our country. but that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. it doesn't make sense that i have to wait until i'm 21 to get a handgun, wu i have to waget ts at 58. >> we didn't address it. >> because you're afraid of the nra. good morning and welcome to "am joy." on saturday the florida state senate briefly voted yes only to ultimately say no to a school safety bill that would have required a two-year moratorium on the sale of assault rifles and high capacity magazines. the bill is the florida

legislature's response to the mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school last month. the amendments pitched by democrats were part of a push to enact some of the common sense measures, parkland survivors an families have asked for, some in person from the state capitol. the bill would raise the minimum age for a firearm purchase from 18 to 21, and impose a three-day waiting period for buying all classes of firearms. here is the catch, it will impose a school martial program to arm teachers. perhaps it's a bid to win support from the nra which is opposed to the bill. in florida, nothing related to guns passes without the express permission of the nra and its dom minnive boss, former nra

president mary hammer. she's been a legislative force in florida for decades. some call her the real and permanent governor of the gun shine state. joining me to weigh in frank fig lose si, sarah and kimberly atkins, chief washington reporter at the "boston herald." i guess i'll start with you, frank. the florida legislature is attempting to fix what is probably one of the most permissive atmospheres for the carrying of firearms in the country, but they can't do it unless marion hammer says they can do it. they have to have the permission of the nra. what do you make of the fact that teachers don't want guns but that's probably what they're going to get out of the florida legislature? >> we're getting a real inside glimpse of how it works within a state legislature with regard to the real relationship with the nra and their lobbyist. some recent reporting reflects

that literally nra lobbyists are crafting the language in legislation alongside state legislators and literally handing them the law. this is something that's quite disturbing because the nra really at its heart represents gun makers, not gun owners, and these are the people who are literally suggesting bills and legislation. so, look, teachers -- i've said this before, teachers being armed in the school simply adds more guns into the equation and handguns against the weapon of choice in mass shootings which are assault rifles simply don't work. ask any law enforcement officer who has mounted in his patrol gun, a shotgun and a machine gun. he knows what's on the streets. teachers with a handgun is not going to work. the data tells us it's all about assault rifles. we're talking about creating an arms raisin side the classroom. perhaps we should mount a machine gun and shotgun on the blackboard as we try to counter the assault coming into the

classroom. >> kim atkins, let's talk about the evolution of even the nra and republicans on this issue. i want to play ronald reagan on february 12, 1989 talking about his view of the second amendment when it comes to assault weapons. >> i do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen to own guns for sporting, hunting and so forth or for home defense, but i do believe that an ak-47, a machine gun is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense. >> kimberly, when you interview republicans, do they still believe that ronald reagan is emblematic of their party or in general are the republicans that you interview, have they gotten so far to the right of ronald reagan now that what he said is

no longer operative as a republican point of view. >> i think when you ask him, they say of course, they're a party of reagan still and embrace those principles. but the intervening factor that happened in that time is the explosion of the gun industry. i think you're right, the point that was made is that the nra is a lobby group for the gun industry, an industry that generates tens of billions of dollars in firearms, accessories and ammunition. in a sense, that's why things are so different now. that is why you see after there is a mass shooting and a discussion of gun control, the rhetoric of nra supporters is to scare people to believe that their guns are going to be taken away and actually spur purchases of guns. we usually see a gun manufacturing and sales go up after every one of these incidents.

it's become a major money maker that it's really difficult to push against. that is what keeps the money flowing into these lawmakers from the nra and the nra threats to campaign against them at election time if they support anything, even something as reasonable as bump stock legislation. the nra didn't back bump stock legislation. they wanted a regulation, something that's a lot easier to implement and a lot easier to reverse. it's a very, very strong stronghold it has over these lawmakers. >> sarah, we can throw up a map of how states are scored by the giffords law center. gabby giffords, a member of congress who was the victim of a mass shooter which changed nothing. her colleagues in congress didn't change their attitude toward guns at all. the dark blue means you're more permissive. then you look at the polling which is pretty overwhelming.

npr asked do you believe gun laws should be more strict or less strict? 75% at the end of february said more strict. the vast majority of the mayor condition people are on one side. the self-declared five-million-person strong nra in a country of 326 million people say they should be more strict. how is it they have so much power? >> they have the power because this is about money. they're the people backing these politicians, putting these policies into action. it's a quid pro quo. i live in one of those states with a very high incidence of gun violence. i live in missouri. people like their guns, guns for self-protection, for hunting. but people also want responsible gun laws. in our last election we had two candidates that had guns prominently featured in their ad. one was firing openly into a field who is now under state investigation. and another is calling for

responsible gun regulation. you hear from veterans, from police, from everyday gun owners that they don't want their guns taken away, but they do want safety, responsible, sensible laws and they want dirty money out of politics. if there's a difficultier organization than the nra who are not representing their constituency, representing a corporate body, then i don't know what it is. >> i think that's a good point at which to bring in, a politics, somebody dealing with this issue and the nra. matt getz, formally a member of florida, representing the first district of florida in the united states congress. thank you for being here. >> good to be on, joy. >> i'll have the panel hold on for a second. we just saw yesterday the response of the florida legislature where you used to serve attempting to respond to the parkland massacre in some meaningful way. there is an amazing story that i highly recommend people read in

"the new yorker." it talks about the state of florida and how it became a gun haven. opens with a story by a man named jared moss co-wits, he's talking about getting a call from his wife. he actually went to marjory stoneman douglas high school. he gets a call from his wife. they go because their kids go to school near that school and just the harrowing feeling of being a parent, not sure what's happening with your kids, and then going to tallahassee and being confronted by parents. he shakes hands with dan daily, young city commissioner. his words to me were do something. i had to tell him i legally can't do anything because the governor could take my job away if i tried. mo marion hammer worked to enact in 2011, during rick scott's

first year in office, a statute that punishes local officials. officials can be fined thousands of dollars and removed from office. you backed that bill. >> i wrote it. >> marion hammer wrote it and you added your name to it. >> no, i wrote it. >> why shouldn't a local municipality be able to write their own gun laws? >> because in the state of florida we don't want people to inadvertently to become criminals because they go from one county to another. we feel whatever the gun laws are, they ought to exist equally over the state and apply to all floridians the same way. jared moscowitz is one of my heroes in politics. he works in a bipartisan way to provide solutions. i'm proud that they've worked to help create a system where our mental health laws and the screening of people will be better so they won't return home to their arsenals.

i'm proud of the work of the florida legislature to reform our mental health process where someone who is deemed a threat, in the custody of law enforcement or a mental health facility, we'll use that time more effectively so we can determine whether or not they should return home to guns. we ought to have power in the hands of local law enforcement with due process to ensure we have safer communities. nothing in my 2011 law that would stop local communities from creating gun-free zones would impair that important work. i would suggest to you that in florida, the last mass shootings we had had occurred not in air whereas where we allow firearms but gun-free zones. when you put up signs in front of schools that says this is a dunn-free zone, i fear you make people at that school a target. >> i want to unpack a couple of things you talked about. you talked about local control, but your bill essentially says

that the local elected officials that people work to elect have no power. they essentially are not allowed to even determine whether or not people are allowed, for instance, to shoot guns in local parks. the nra sued the mayor of tallahassee over that. interestingly enough, the idea that every place in florida should be the wild west, are you aware in the 1880s in places like tombstone, arizona, the laws were incredibly strict, far stricter than it does today. the most infamous gun battle, wyatter was attempting to enforce gun ordinances. some of the first laws they enacted were to restrict the carrying of firearms in local city limits. this country has a long history of local municipalities making their own decisions about gun laws. in fact, the homicide rates in those places in the wild west where you couldn't carry a gun into tombstone, arizona and

these municipalities, they had much lower rates of homicides. why is it that now in the modern era local municipalities should have no right to make their own laws? >> well, we've come a long way. >> yeah, higher homicide rates. >> some of the highest homicide rates occur in some of the local municipalities who have the strictest gun laws, like chicago, like detroit. i don't think you can draw a comparison between local enhanced gun control. >> who has more mass shootings, florida of illinois? have you lived in chicago? >> i've been there, not lived in there. >> when you were in a chicago -- last time you were in chicago, were you accosted, did a crime occur against you? republicans seem to have quite an obsession with chicago. let's talk about florida. >> in florida we don't want a patchwork of ordinances and laws in florida that would have somebody just because they inadvertently cross a county line with a rifle locked in that back of their trunk, that could

be illegal in one municipality or legal in another. >> or shooting a gun in a park -- >> that's not true. that's absolutely truth. that's unlawful discharge. that's reckless discharge. >> sued by the nra because they wanted to ban guns in park. >> there's a difference between having a gun in a park and shooting a gun in the park. you conflated those. >> i'm sure parents who have kids playing in the park would prefer not to have an ar-15. >> they could vote to change state law. >> they've tried but your party won't let them because the nra said no. >> there are a number of places in florida where people really do cherish the second amendment. >> how many members does the nra have in florida? >> i think over a million. >> 300,000 by their own count. >> how many people live in florida? >> 20 million. >> so 300,000 people in florida are ruling over and making laws for 20 million people. >> it's not just the membership

of the nra. there's countless people beyond dues paying members of the nra who support the nra. >> the pomg says the overwhelming majority of people want stricter gun laws. i want to stick with you for a moment. in this same new yorker article, it talks about the statute that you pushed that punishes local officials who try to pass gun laws stronger than state gun laws. sponsor was a 28-year-old republican representative. a close ally of marion hammer told me, on bills he sponsors, she works on it, i take it over and file it. she essentially writes the bills. one more quote here, this is describing marion hammer's power and influence. getz says one of ms. hammer's e-mails packs more political bunch than a hundred thousand tv from any state. she understands a key

understanding of group identity. she and her follows are defending a way of life. hammer exposes the treacherous ak shows. he invites her supporters to contact the official, tell them how you feel, do it today. you also have said that she -- that she uses super charged language, provocative language, keeps her followers apprised of who has been loyal to the second amendment and who has committed unforgivable betrayals. this is your quote. if you're with marion 95% of the time, you're a damn traitor. if i elect you as a politician, as an elected official, why is it that you are more beholding to marion hammer and obedient to her than you are to your constituents? >> i'm not. i've disagreed with marion hammer plenty of times. >> can you name one? >> sure. in the actual bill you reference, the preemption bill, i wanted stronger language to

stop any type of back yard shooting rage. marion wasn't comfortable with the language i selected. i told her that was the deal if i was going to be the sponsor of the bill, i wanted strong protection for discharge of firearms rather than just possession of the firearms. that's the way the bill was enacted into law. there are plenty of circumstances where special interest groups put in influence because they want to allow legislation. sometimes they're successful, sometimes they're not. >> i want to do one more quote here. one more quote from you. she's the most successful gun lobbyist in the country. >> she is, but she doesn't get her way every time. she's been fighting to end gun-free zones at schools for nearly a decade and she's been unsuccessful. i think if we had highly qualified -- >> she wants more guns. of course she does. she always does. >> if they make people safer --

if they're in the hands of people qualified to protect children. >> are guns allowed to be carried where you work in congress? >> i think they should be. >> you want guns in the well of congress? >> absolutely. >> why don't you pass that law? >> when i was here for orientation, it was my first question -- >> you want guns in the well of congress? >> yeah. i think we should be able to bring them to baseball practice. >> how about courthouses? >> i think there are some circumstances where you would not want to have guns in a particular environment. >> why not? >> at courthouses you already have such strong security that there's a way to neutralize -- unlike in a school. >> why do you want guns in control but not courthouses? >> in congress you have over 500 targets that are members. >> but in schools you have hundreds of targets, too. >> that's why we need more guns in schools. >> really? >> we need a force multiplier

for the deputies and school resource officers? the form of highly qualified -- >> how would s.w.a.t. know who was the good guy, who was the bad guy -- >> you can have reporting systems to have them go through law enforcement training, former military, former law enforcement, they could be a force multiplier. in. >> why didn't it work at marjory stoneman douglas when you had an armed gunman outside. >> there was one dude with a gun who didn't go inside. >> imagine if the cop who laid his life -- a coach that laid his life down who had the ability to put the shooter down, we could have saved hundreds of lives. >> what happens if a teacher inadvertently shoots a student? >> we had people absolutely shoots a student. >> what if a teacher inadvertently shoots a student in the crossfire. >> you're making up a

hypothetical. >> let's have one more quote -- >> your premise has to be an accident. >> let me ask frank that questi question. you are a person who has worked closer to this field than i have. do you think it's a good idea to have armed teachers shooting it out with mass shooters in schools? >> i think it's a convenient nice sounding band-aid approach that actually has no practicality and no data to defend it. again, we know that the weapon of choice in these mass shootings over and over again is an assault rifle. putting a handgun in the hands of a teacher does not counter the assault rifle. putting it in the hands of police officers as we had multiple deputies responding,

still didn't work. we would be looking at an arms race where now we'd have to have assault rifles or shotguns for teachers. it doesn't work for a law enforcement experience background. >> do you have a law enforcement background? >> i was chairman of the criminal justice committee. if you look at polk county sheriff grady judd, he's in tallahassee saying his law enforcement officers will be safer if they can rely on highly qualified people in classrooms that have the ability to put down an active shooter. >> so we'll have a shooting gallery in the schools. let's have state representative robert as sense i don't, he does have a law enforcement background, he was a police officer. this is his thought on the idea of having armed teachers in classrooms. >> i've been involved in shootouts and i've seen children die as a result of gun violence. think back to your eighth grade english teacher, tenth grade art

teacher. could you have trusted them not to panic and do the right thing? do not arm your teachers. fund appropriately public education. fund mental health. do ban weapons of war. >> congressman, that is an elected official with a law enforcement background. do you know more than he does? >> it's hyperbole because he's saying give every art teacher a gun. that's not our argument. he's responding to an argument we're not making. >> what is the argument, just the math teachers? >> absolutely not. i want to find the personnel on campus who have law enforcement training, military training. if we trusted someone to carry a rifle or carry a weapon in fallujah to fight for our freedom and liberty and interest there, i think we can count on them to carry it in a middle school or high school where they would be able to put down an active shooter. >> as a parent, i don't think we

want our schools to be the equivalent of fall luge gentleman. >> that's what you have now. that's your problem. right now children are dying and they're totally defenseless. >> you'll have crossfire between a teacher and a mass shooter. you want a math teacher and a shooter to shoot it out in school. >> that's ludicrous. >> the combat reference is not helpful because they carried fully automatic weapons like cold m-4s. are you suggesting o e oh. >> of course not. >> how do the police respond when everyone is armed and now you've got a crossfire situation and you don't know who the bad guy is? explain how that works. >> i asked that question of sheriff john rutherford who serves with me. he said if you have good coordination between school superintendents and local sheriff's office, you know where your assets are in place. you can have rapid response communication, cordon off areas and have a strategic approach to

an ak stif shooter situation instead of what we had in parkland which is one school resource officer scared for his life waiting outside refusing to go in. >> what you're saying is that you acknowledge if you had a trained law enforcement officer outside the school, and that that person failed to act, that person had probably a reasonable human fear of running inside where there was assault weapons fire, but a teacher with 25, 30, 100 hours of training is going to be able to outdo that officer? >> it sounds like you'll have a better chance to neutralize an active shooter. you want a situation where there's no one to neutralize the active shooter. >> that's not going to happen -- have you ever taken live fire, snir. >> no, i've not taken live fire. >> you've never been in a

situation where nobody is shooting at you. >> correct. >> you're interpreting in your expertise, as somebody who has never been in law enforcement and never had anyone shoot at you, that a teacher should be equipped to fire back at a mass shooter who is prepared to die, who has acquired a weapon that is just below an m-16, the arm light rifle, they created the m-16, you've never experienced that live fire. you say a teacher should return fire against a mass shooter who is prepared to die? where do you get the ex-per tease to say that? >> they shouldn't be defenseless. when i talked to my colleagues shot at at baseball practice, every last one of them wished hey had an opportunity to respond in some way. if steve scalise had missed practice, i would have dozens of friends and colleagues dead. >> frank, you've been in situations that none of us really can relate to.

the people who were at that baseball practice or in school, what would be your guess as to what the response would be if a mass shooter who is firing 100 rounds every 30 seconds, firing at them, what do you think they would have done if those congressmen had been armed? by the way, there were armed people in las vegas and you know what they did? they ducked, they hid. i'm going to let frank have the last word because you've got expertise. >> a couple things. let's remember how thankfully that baseball tragedy ended. it ended because of trained u.s. capitol police officer who knew what they were doing, instead of engaging in a crossfire with other members of congress trying to shoot at each other. the last word here, this debate that we've just engaged in for extended period of time isn't really about guns in classrooms. it's really an nra strategy to get us distracted from the two

issues that have to be addressed, assault weapons and mental health. anything other than those two issues, arming teachers, bump stock, a distraction from the two issues the nra doesn't want us to talk about. >> sir, i will say as somebody who -- i lived in florida for 14 years, two of my kids were born there. i think your constituents want you to be obedient to their wishes and not the wishes of the nra. something to think about. >> sometimes they're very similar. >> we'll talk about that more. thank you for being here. more on "am joy" after the break. i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry to each and every one of you that is out there attacking us as witnesses and even some of the victims of this incident, it's truly saddening to see how many of you have lost faith in america because we certainly haven't. we're never going to. you might as well stop now because we're going to outlive you.

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after donald trump's mid east trip earlier this year, saudi arabia and the unit arab emirates launched a blockade of qatar. his son-in-law jared kushner was reportedly one of the only white house advisers encouraging the hard line. now, the intercept reports a few months before the crisis, kushner's real estate company tried and failed to get a half billion dollar investment from qatar's former prime minister. that revelation prompting this headline from ""vanity fair."" is kuch her punishing qatar over a soured real estate deal? last july on "am joy" we wore wondering about the curious coincidence of jared kushner's failure to secure an investment from qatar before he reportedly advised donald trump to support the saudi's damaging blockade against the country. well, this week the plot

thickened with an intercept story about a previously unreported meeting last april just weeks before the blockade in which kushner's father unsuccessfully tried to make a deal with qatar's finance minister to invest in the kushner's debt-ladened property at 666 fifth avenue. joining me timothy o'brien, rula jabrill and nayyera hock. rula, you were on the show with us when we last november readdressed thissish yoo u, attempting to get answers on it. i want to play a little bit of a clip from the show you were on in november 2017 regarding our attempts to get answers on jared. >> we did attempt to get answers from the white house about the kushner vase it. we asked what was jared kushner doing in saudi arabia approximately ten days before several saudi princes were arrested. we asked was 666 fifth avenue discussed with any saudi

official during the visit, has jared received offers or assistance refinancing building, has he initiated contracts related to refinancing or sale of the building. so far we haven't been able to get answers to these questions from the white house. >> it seems the leadership in qatar has been reluctant to really throw jared under the bus here in terms of admitting that their failure to help him finance his building may have been at the root of them being blockaded. what do you make of their kind of reluctance to weigh in? it does seem that now they may be more willing to go to robert mueller. >> let's explain to our audience who are these countries. we have our relationship, america's relationship with qatar that has strong economic ties because of their oil and gas and because of exxon mobil

and what we get from qatar, but also the biggest military base in the middle east that qatar is hosting. trump principals on foreign policy was the world is taking advantage of america, they need to pay more. jared kushner sent his father, as you said before, to get $900 million from the qataris, the deal collapsed. immediately after trump was advised by kushner against the advice of the state department and the pentagon to back the saudis and the emirates. in this case qatar now is punished for three reason, one because of the rivalry between the states, and because of their support of the arab spring. on the other hand, kushner is pun-ing them because he's using

the presidency to get some financing for his troubled building 666 fifth avenue. what we're seeing, the qataris don't want to meddle in any investment because they're really concerned that they would be punished by trump and this administration. joy, what we are see iing is tw sides of this administration, tillerson and mattis that were critical of this blockade. mattis immediately had an armed deal with the qataris regardless of the fact that trump was tweeting against qatar in support of the blockade. we discovered that the emirate ambassador in washington, d.c. was heavily lobbying jared kushner and one of the reasons was jared kushner didn't have full security clearance is because our security community does not trust him because he's heavily indebted, because this could be -- debt could be used

as leverage to blackmail him or bribe him. >> this whole situation is unprecedented, first of all. you were a spokesperson for the state department. is there any precedent in your memory for a, the cutting out essentially of the secretary of state in such foreign policy. we host i think 10,000 american military there, a lot of relationships with american universities in qatar. this is a nation we've had good relationships with. to cut that off and take saib's side, cutting out the secretary of state, is there any precedent for that and to say nothing of the fact that there may be a tie to jared kushner's personal finances? >> there's absolutely no precedence for cutting out not just the secretary of state, but have an american ambassador sitting in qatar literally to wake up that all the americans

she represents there, about 15,000 civilians, about 12,000 people on base, literally woke up the next morning and realized they were blockaded on air, land and sea by allies, and their country abandoned them. the idea of u.s. power in the region is to have balance, not take sides, take sides to use leverage, not what's in the best interest of a particular family and not just the saudi regime. let's be clear it is a regime. they have the king of chaos in the middle east. him and the iranian powers have spread chaos, supported different sides in syria, different sides in yemen. it's not in the united states' interest to support extremist agendas coming out of saudi arabia. all you have to do with the trump family is throw them a big

party, dance with an orb and some swords and they will back your interest. even if it undermines u.s. interests overseas. >> there is a clepto kratic tinge to almost everything they're doing. jared kushner coming in not taking the salary. he's in charge of this business roundtable where he's meeting with corporations. he's in charge of middle east policy despite the fact that his family business does business with israeli financiers, he's trying to do business with china. he's got this duel role. we learned this week a few things, that officials in four countries have privately discussed ways they can manipulate jared kushner by taking advantage of his complex business arrangements, financial difficulties and lack of foreign policy experience. we learned kushner's familiy

business received loans after white house meetings with private equity group, apollo loaning them $184 million and citigroup $325 million. >> i think donald trump ran for president i think initially as a marketing campaign. i don't think he really thought he was going to win, and he's run repeatedly in the past for the same purpose, to enhance his business prospects. he came in with a family members around him who had no experience or i think real interest in governing. they had a strong interest in use the public offices of the united states and offices of the presidency to possibly line their own pockets. this last week has really given us a series of revelations about jared kushner built upon what we already know over the last year about chinese and russian financial influence over him that round this picture out quite a bit. he ends up looking a little bit like randall, the skinny nebulous lizard in "monsters

in inc." who starts arranging the pieces to serve his own needs. what you have this week with jared is he's vulnerable because he's inexperienced and foreign powers know that. at least we know from intelligence briefings that the uae, china, israel and mexico believe this. they know he's an easy mark because his business is in trouble. the single largest poster child for his ineptitude in business is 666. his father goes to prison, jared gets the family money, overspends on a building and he's had to spend the last two years scrambling to keep that afloat because the kushners have a massive debt rolling down the tracks at them. now you get the uae, qatar and saudis manipulating him to their own devices. >> a $1.2 billion balloon payment on 666 next january. that's a heck of a piece of leverage for a lot of these other countries to have an on

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we're going to be instituting tariffs next week we'll be signing. it will be 25% forsteel. it will be 10% for aluminum. and it will be for a long period of time. >> whoever advised him on this ought to be reprimand. in all honesty it's not going to help america, it will cost higher prices and make us less competitive. >> it doesn't make sense that i have to wait till i'm 202021 get a handgun but i can get this weapon at 18. i don't know. i was curious to what you did in your bill. >> we didn't address it. >> you know what? because you're afraid of the nra. >> while they continue to debate about gun control and trade, the poor people talk about repairs of the breach is touring the down the raise awareness about poverty and the important achbs community organizing. joining me is bishop barber. tell us, first of all, that

you've been rolling out this poor people's campaign over the last couple of months culminating in a big launch today. what are you doing and what is the takeaway that you want americans to take from it? >> well, i'm in selma today and we're not here with my cochair reverend for a commemoration but a reconsecration. we need a revolution because when we look at the reality, joy, systemic poverty, racism, ecological devastation, the war economy militaryism, and this distorted moralism of nationalism, we have real problems in this country. i'm in selma. we've been here for two days. 20 miles from brown chapel, we saw pamela and a man named walter who have sewage, open sewage in their backyard, predator lending that charged a woman $120,000 a year ago for a trailers that falling apart that

has mold in if the we're talk about empositive ver issued democracy. and in a few minutes congress will come here to brown chapel and some of them will say they want to celebrate what they did 50 years ago, but those same people are refusing to have a minimum wage rare living wage. we've got to challenge that kind of ha poc kras. >> i what do you make of the fact that you have teefrps on strike walking out of their classrooms because they can't earn enough non live, and at the same time what congress and what state legislatures, republican legislatures are debating is arming teachers with guns in order to have them stop mass shooters. >> it is a moral travesty. it is, you know, so crazy to see this moral distortion that's going on. have you that going non weon in virginia. and instead of having higher

teacher's salary, we have more reseg gra gaftion schools. right here in alabama we have low teacher funding. alabama does not have a minimum wage, they have living wages. 400,000 people have been denied medicaid expansion in alabama in selma we have over 400,000 white people in poverty and over 300,000 black people in poverty. now, joy, this is in the same state where 35% of eligible people of color are being blocked because of voter suppression law that had been put in place since the shelby decision that gutted secretaries five. we have less voting rights today than we had august 6th, 1965. we cannot continue to be able to celebrate what people did yesterday, we need movements like what's happening in west virginia, like what's happening with the women's march and stoud den -- students and the poor people's campaign. we're going to announce on the

10th our agenda and then mother's day to june 21st we're going to have six weeks of direct action in more than 30 states to drama ties what's going on to reshape the narrative in this country. we cannot continue in this direction. >> it feels like we're in a pretty dark period in american history. are you hopeful? >> i'm extraordinarily hopeful. that's different than optimistic. hopeful is submercy of. you have to have hope in the midst of the despair. when i go across this country, these people that i told you about that have sewage in their yard, they're ready to stand up. when i'm talking to white homeless people in washington and seattle, they're ready to stand up. people in kentucky at west v virginia, they're ready to stand up. people realize that in every season just like people were not optimistic in 1965 but they were hopeful and they knew the one thing they couldn't do and that was stand down and bow down. people are ready to stand up.

they understand we can't keep coming to these moments and merely saying what happened back then. we've got to take our place in the march toward justice right now. that's what the poor people's campaign call for moral revival intends do with direct action, voter mobilization, and empowering people from the got only up. the 140 million poor and working poor people in this country, it's time to stand up together. >> it's always an honor to talk to you. be safe out there. much more am joy next. most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase allergy relief is different. flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and 6 is greater than 1. start your day with flonase for more complete allergy relief. flonase. this changes everything.

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right now, children are dying. >> because you want to have crossfire. >> and they're totally defenseless. >> between teacher and mass shooter. >> the only one firing is the bad guy. i want someone firing other than the bad guy. >> you want them to shoot it out in school. frank, your thoughts. >> that's ludicrous. >> welcome back to "am joy," that was some of my attempted conversation with florida republican mat gets from earlier this morning. on saturday, the florida state senate passed a measure allowing for teachers to be trained to use guns about the joining me is eric bowler. tiffany cross the beat, d.c., tim o'brien, republican political consultant is her michael singleton and kurt bar dell. i'm going to reverse order. kurt, you used to work for a republican member of could be gress. matt gets gave a very spirited defense of the nra. he claims that he sometimes

steps outside of the nra's purview but his record shows otherwise. why are republican members so obedient? >> i think it has to do with the a. money the nra spends to ben fact these republicans is well documented and they're not ready to turn that spike stick cot of. they don't get serious challenges. until there's an electoral consequence for their repewsal to stand up to the nra, he ghog to keep doing it. the people need to understand the most important thing they can do if they want change in the gun situation is to show you and vote in november. >> the nra spends lots of money. they were pretty firmly republican organization right now, it's been $54.4 million on the 2016 election, $31.2 million

to elect donald trump, that includes 19.8 million spent against hillary clinton. and inside of the republican party, 77% of republicans are nra members among gun owners and 58% are gun owners. the republican party is steeped in this sort of gun culture and this obedience to the nra makes sense for them. but is there a sense now that maybe something has changed and maybe they will pay a price for this relatively small lobby? >> i think, again, as it was just mentioned, it depends what happened this november. you know, i have to tell you as a conservative i'm extremely concerned about talks of arming teachers. i was just reading a column that was written in the hill -- or the huffington post, rather, a couple days ago talking about a white teacher who was running a white nationalist podcast. now just imagine if someone like that had a gun in the classroom

and there was an incident that occurred with an african american student and the teacher said, well, i fell afraid so i felt i had to use my firearm. so, you know, i am a conserve tim but i'm a pragmatist and when i look at these issues i have to approach them from an exten chal note starting with myself. when you look at the gun violence in our community particular and think about this conversation, i wonder if we're going to talk about this, let's do it in a wholistic approach. if conservatives are trying to keep people safe, et cetera, you cannot be at the beck concall of an organization that only cares about a very small percentage of people when you have communities across our country that are riddled by gun violence every single day. >> well, you know, tiffany and matt gets at this 2002 too. every time you bring up the mass sheetings and trying to ve prevent them you get chicago. many people have been to the airport in chicago or miracle mile, they've been on the south

side of chicago, but that's the reflex is to say chicago. but how have we missed the whole point that the mass shootings that are occurring in our schools are not illegally procured, you know, gangsters from chicago with guns. they're people like the shooter in parkland who, with perfectly legality, perfectly legally purchased ar-15s at 19 years of age. >> they're using it a substitute for black, we know what they're saying. i think he makes a good point when we do see these shooters who are -- imagine if the shooter had been an immigrant or what kind of coverage or sponts republicans would have given then. when we do see these shooters who are white males this tend to be categorized as lone wolves who had these mental health problems would we need to help. contrast that with immigrants or black and brown people. and i think it's definitely concerning because you know african american children are disproportionately disciplined in more harsh ways in classrooms, but also think about

african-american educators. imagine arming a qualified after man-american educator who is trying to protect children and police show up and all they see is this black man with a gun. i don't have trust that law enforcement across this country as evidenced by the innumerable names that i could drop right here and think oh no, don't worry, don't shoot him, he's a good one. i worked in labor for an education association before, it is no educator wants this. if we want to put a budget to arm educators, why not put that money into actually improving the public education system as a whole. that would have a -- cast a wide knelt of influence across education and educators both. >> absolutely. lorenzo prod, it was a young man who was in marjory stoneman high school who was -- fit the general description they were looking for a latino male. he's a latino male. when he saw s.w.a.t. coming he thought they were there to save him and quickly realized they thought he was the shooter. he reaches for his phone, he

tells this harrowing story that he reaches for his phone reflexively and they start scream agent him. he was almost shot by s.w.a.t. . the idea in the fan fancy world the people like matt gets, there would be this systematic response where they know which are the teachers with the guns so they don't shoot them, the whole thing souft a movie. these are out of a movie, it's not real. >> and it's this fantasy everyone knows the good guys and bad guys. only good guys should have guns until they become the bad guys and pull the trigger. wayne lapierre gave a speech and said she with you have armed security at every school and outside every classroom. people said that's crazy. look where we are we've gone five years and now they're saying arm the teachers. >> yeah. >> so the nra is becoming more and more extreme while the rest of the country is becoming more an more practical. six in ten republicans last week want to ban assault weapons in the united states. >> yeah. >> so we have this massive disconnect. >> yeah. >> so republicans are actually going to get possibly more

people killed instead of solving this. so it's amazing. trump, you know, had this phoney round table conversation a lot of people kind of got fooled and said, oh my gosh, maybe he's going to break with the nra. he brings them in for a private meeting, okay, i'm going to back off everything now. particularly the florida and governor scott and the republican party in florida has been bout bought and paid for by the nra for ten years. governor scott signed the most radical array of gun bills in this country and now he's trying to distance himself because he wants to run for senate. but this arming the teacher thing so far off the charts. >> well, he signed the most radical gun bills after jeb bush because jeb bush signed stand your ground which at the time was the most radical bill. this is a bill who hammer pushed in the early 2000s created the first stand injury ground law. so two dozen states have averse of astand your ground. why discretion over when they

can shoot another person? more permission to shoot the gun. they want to you have it everywhere were take it to the park, walk around with it, but also use it and not worry about legal liability. >> which is why this this say useful moment to remember the fort hood shootings. that shooter walked on to a military base bristling with weapons. everyone had gun training and it didn't help. so the idea that armg teachers across the country is a fantasy. i was a teacher in new york teaching history in the 1980s in a neighborhood where there were certainly guns on the streets and i did not want anyone to give me a gun and pack while i taught history classes. it's an absurd notion. i don't think there's any teacher that wants to have armed training courses interfere with their ability to run a classroom in an educational environment. it's also, i think, heinous that we have to have children wondering about their personal safety going into an educational environment. the world's difficult enough. they don't need to have to walk

into a classroom wonder whether or not they're going to get shot. >> you taught at school, kirds smart. wouldn't they figure out where the guns were? i mean a kid could literally just arm them self in school if they wanted to be a shooter, they could walk you there the metal detectors with no gun, akwiert gun fr acquire the gun from the teacher and start shooting. >> what if you leave it in your jacket or top of your desk or any number of places. >> or you barricade yourself in a classroom and pier it as just happened last week in georgia. we had the mayor of tallahassee on the show yesterday and this is what he said about the power of the nra to stop local lawmakers. i thought republicans believed in control, here's the experience with marion hammers nra. >> they sued us because they said you can't shoot guns in parks where our kids play and our families picnic. and they thought that was so

radical that they took us through court because florida law allows them to take on individual elected officials and drag us through court for a public policy difference. >> that was matt gets's bill. >> yeah, so i thought the most ridiculous thing that he said in your interview is that, yes, of course we would want guns in the capital where we are. there's a reason why people can't show up to a donald trump rally and have guns. there is a reason why pedestrians cannot walk into capitol hill with a gun trapped to their waist. if members of congress want to feel safe where they work, don't our students deserve to feel safe where they're trying to learn? i think the student you had on your show, it's just been amazing. i'm so proud of these students and the points they're making. the one thing that he said that everybody should take heed to is we will outlive you. we have an entire new generation of voters who are coming into the cycle and many of them will be able to vote this election cycle who are saying we've had enough. this old, creepy party that you

guys belong to that celebrate pedestrian files and shooters, some in the same case with roy moore both, you know, they're saying, no, we're not tolerating that anymore. we are going to change the narrative. they can be conservatives, lib ralds, democrats, they can be republicans. the one thing that a majority of americans agree on is too many guns. >> absolutely. first i want to go to kurt on this and then eric because part of this is that there is a conservative media that's very particular about portraying the way they feel the world is, the way it should be. in this world view that's being portrayed, chicago is this hell hole, right, where everyone is shooting. t it's like gang land. and that the way classrooms should is that all teachers would be prepared to take out a gun and it's somehow the wild west when the actual wild west didn't allow people to carry guns in the city limits. at some point does the conservative media run out of viewers because it is appealing to sort of an old kind of crusty creepy weird world view that

these young who are a big, big part of the american population do not share? >> well, i think that there is some credence to that at some point just the process of evolution some of these viewers they're going to thankfully die off and that will be the end of that. at the end of the day, the world view that is espousing conservative media and places like fox news nants distorted picture if a crime is committed by an illegal immigrant it's the worst tragedy every imaginable. the familiarly is pointed out at the state of the union by the president of the united states when that happened. when a crime is committed by instead a white person, well let's make a thousand kputions for it, let's blame the process and background checks and mental health. look at what happened in the las vegas shooting, the worst mass shooting in american hissry, there were no warning signs, stephen paddock a white, american male got as many guns as coget his hands on town leash fire on innocent people going to a music concert festival. where's the conversation about what safeguards do we need for that?

worst shooting ever, one conversation about bump stocks it went away until there were kids who were gunned down at a school. this is going to keep happening and happening. we're at a point where the donald trump and republican party, they're complicit in what's going on in this country. the next time there's a mass shooting and nothing b's been de to prevent it or stop it, they're complicit in it. >> there were people with guns, people in that crowd had guns, they don't anything about it. >> think about the video that went viral there are was a shootout in the streeft san francisco, the san francisco cops and they had this murder suspect. these are trained professionals shot 65 times, didn't hit anybody. and that's not a hit on the san francisco police. >> sure. >> that's a hit on fire fights and what happens, and now you're going to train your gee og graph if i teach dougherty same thing. talk about these florida laws, one of the bills scott signed was during an emergency evacuation everyone could carry a gun regardless of conceal

carry. who vehemently opposed that? the florida sheriff's association. they have been wanling war on law enforcement regarding guns, now they want to blame the broward county sheriff's department. if they had taken nicholkolas cs gun before, the nra would have paid his legal fees. >> matt gets one more time from this morning talking about schools and guns. >> courthouses you typically -- >> target to and -- >> that's why we need more guns in schools. >> really. >> we need a force multiplooig plier for the deputies and school resource officers in the form of highly qualified, highly trained people. >> and who you would skat know who was the bad guy and good guy if everyone's carrying? >> you could have a reporting system where school super end tendents work with sheriffs to have them go through law enforcement training. we're talking about former military, former law enforcement, and they could be a force multiplier. and you know what? if that go guys knows --

>> had you an armed guard outside, a guy with a gun. >> it was exact lit opposite, it was one dude with a gun who didn't go inside. imagine if the kwhop laid his life. >> so you want more guns, okay. he sounds like he's watched a lot of bruce willis movies. but is that kind of rert remembering growing your party? >> no, it's not growing the party. i mean, joy, you were really asking very pointed questions to him. you had a police officer, trained police officer who probably shoots a certain amount of rounds every single month or every couple of months. you expect a teach are, someoer trained towed indicate our kids, to have the same type of training and experience and courage as a police officer? that's illogical to me. if we're going to have this concelebration guns and gun violence, it has to be wholistic. i grew up in new orleans, a place where there's a lot of violence, and it's always interesting to me every time there's a mass shooting and it's

a white person it's some type of mental disorder or the father was missing from the home. but if it's an african american person or someone who is uh muslim faith they're a credible or a terrorist, et cetera. why do we demonize certain individuals but not others? i have no problem with this did he bait and discussing gun violence about but if we're going it, let's do it wholistically. because there are dozen of black mothers who lose kids every single day to police officers for example, and we never talk about it. let's talk about that now. >> and let's also talk about the fantasy world where donald trump says he would have run into marjory stoneman douglas high school. i seem to recall when someone came up to him with a sign at one of his rallies he was thrown off the stage by the secret service. donald trump wouldn't even go to vietnam would have run into that school and a teacher would have fired back at a mass shooter prepared do. okay. we'll be back. this is my panel that lives in the actual real world, not in a

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it will be 25% for steel. it will be 10% for aluminum. it will be for a long period of time. >> and just like that, with no warning given to congress, the treasury or the state department, donald trump kicked off a potential trade war. and our international trade partners responded quickly. the european union unveiled a detailed plan that could hit republicans where it hurts with tear aimed at harley davidson's motorcycles aimed at paul ryan's direct purchase burr bon, and orange juice made in the swing state of florida. many people fear a tro longed trade war that could hamper the economy. it's worse than you think what the trump administration is going to america. what they're doing right now is preparing for a trade war, donald trump tweeting when a country, usa, is losing million of dollars on every country it

does business with, trade wars are good and easy to win. example when we're done 100 billion with a certain company and they get cute, don't trade anymore, we win big, it's easy. is that true? >> think donald trump is channeling general george cust, he let's go to war with no preparation and no idea of what we're facing, and we all know how well that turned out for custer's troops. first of all, let's address the fact that there's a real plight here of american steel workers and aluminum workers and others whose jos have been disappearing. and those people are deeply pained and will benefit pr this. but for every one of those workers there are probably 30 to 35 other workers who are in the business of metal bending, drawing, stamp, otherwise working who are going to be hurt. and this is a thoughtless step. and, you know, trump alludes to china. we get more shoes from china

than steel. it's a very minor source of american steel. we import about 30 million tons a year, we make 70 million tons and we export about 12 million tons. canada will be much more deeply hurt, so will britain. and what's strange about this, joy, is that under american law, title 10 of our federal codes, canada, britain, and australia are considered part of the united states for manufacturing purposes for national defense like steel. >> wow. and so we just put up the top suppliers of steel to the united states and, as you said, canada, brazil, south korea and mexico are one, two, three, four, aluminum it's canada, russia, united emirates and china. did donald trump use american steel, by the way, when he was building his buildings? >> he went to great lengths, as kurt eichenwald was the one who found this out to use chinese

steel. classic donald, do as i say and not as i do. and let's keep in mind, doald was given a degree in economics, i use that verb deliberatery, he was given a degree in economics by penn. this and a lot of other things demonstrate he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. putting a tariff on any imported goods means americans pay higher zbliess let's dig dealership a little bit the. impact on steel consuming duflt tries. the industries employ 6 pointed 5 million americans. it they add $1 trillion to gdsp. and reuters talked about how it would undermean the whole system. why it would be a threat themselves since they're exempt from the wto rules. it could provide a get out clause from people that could -- could you break it down. >> sure. >> who i do putting tariffs on

steel and aluminum hurt american consumers and how does it impact our trade relationships? >> if you're ford and you import from canada, you're going to have a tariff to pay. if you're a foreign carmaker that has lots of steel in the engine block in the frame and body of the car, that's not going to affect you. donald trump has just decided that he likes cars imported from japan, korea, germany more than likes american cars. and it's because donald doesn't know anything. and i mean that literally. he is completely ignorant about things like this. his ignorance is just appalling and it's really damaging to us. and as for the national security argument, i'm sorry, steel made in canada or britain or australia would be counted for national security purposes would be within the u.s. under title 10 the codes, section 148 if

somebody wants to look it up. >> there have been signals that this is disastrous, had you a huge drop in the dow, wilber ross say people are overreacting and you had peter navarro who is probably the most enthusiastic about pushing the idea of these tariffs. this is him saying -- answering the questions to our own nicolle wallace -- or this might be on fox news, sorry, as to whether or not our allies would be exempt from these tariffs. >> will he exempt canada? will he exempt the europe onunion? >> that's not his decision. >> it is his decision. >> you have to understand -- >> you're saying he he's not going to do it? >> as soon he's starts exempting countries, he has to raise the tariff on everybody else. as soon he's exempts one country, his phone starts ringing from the heads of state of other countries. >> so just to make it clear, it's a global impo sition? >> asked and answered. >> global everyone sition? >> yes.

yes. >> so he said the whole time, that was chris wallace on fox news saying -- and peter fa var row who is the guy that's been purning this saying no, this is a tariff on everybody, ally, friend and foe alike. >> peter is who is right about it's going to have to be globally applied not selectively applied. but the deeper question is, why this blunder bust approach to things? we certainly could negotiate better trade deals. the south korean trade deal allowed a 4% tariff on american cars sold in seoul, but no tariff on south korean cars sold here. those are surgical points. donald is taking a blunder bust to this and it cannot end well. >> and apparently did he it because he was in a bad mood. david -- >> one more thing, joy, donald is not going to get any additional investment in steel because he can undo any tariff overnight spot nobody's going to

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his state of mind is fine. if you went to the gried iron last night, which i did and others did, he was very relaxed, he was self-deprecating, he had some very good humerus lines. i don't see any problem with his behavior at all. >> well, on saturday night in his first appearance at that gridiron din, he donald trump made his best attempting to funny. in the tradition of any u.s. president who's attend the event. but between the jokes and the lighthearted rofts of his favorite target in the media was this jab. max seen waters, he must be

impeach, that's all she knows how to say. he must be impeached, impeeve. but he's done nothing wrong. what has he done wrong? i don't know. you've got to be impeached. then i say i get in trouble for this, she has to immediately take an iq test. let's see what the congresswoman thinks about that. joining me is max seen waters. now, congresswoman, we're wrooe relying on what people who are at the gridiron dinner said that donald trump said, the transcript from inside that room. your response to what apparently he said about you. >> well, you know, this president has been called stupid, he has been called ignorant, and even his secretary of state did not deny that he called him a moran. and so he has no credibility. he has been name calling, he's been saying all kinds of things. and i certainly expected him to

come out with some racist remarks about me. so he did exactly what i expected him do. and, by the way, i'm told he wasn't funny at all. >> you know, in addition to that, he apirntparently also, y represent a district in the great state of california, and he reported lid also said that nancy pelosi is trying to do to come a line as good as lock her up and her line that she announced last week is moe the grass, moe the freaking grass, that isn't going to stop ms-13. moe that freaking grass. that sounds like an aspersion or a lap at immigrants, at mexican americans, at least that's how i'm reading it. how do you read it? >> well, you know, the hearing say little bit difficult. i'm hearing selma where we have come to commemorate dr. martin luther king's death and to march

across the bridge with john lewis and those who were the victims of bloody sunday. i don't know exactly what you were explaining that he said about nancy pelosi or california. but let me just repeat, i have never in my entire career seen a president talked about the way this president is talked about. he's called a liar by everybody. as a matter of fact, it has been documented that he told over 2,000 lies in the one year that he's been president. in addition to that, i just talked about how his staff talks about him behind his back. and even his apintees to his cabinet spot whether he's disparaging nancy pelosi or max seen waters or the state of california, it is time for the republicans to stand up and take the responsibility for protecting this country and be

on point to get rid of this president. this president needs to be impeached. it is absolutely clear to me and it will be proven that he has concluded with russia and he's obstructed justice before our very eyes. so he can't be funny, nobody really thinks very much of him. this is a president that has no respect and so we don't really care what he says, the most important thing this country can do now is impeach this president and make sure we get rid of him and get ready for pence in 2020 and make sure that we are going to vote us in. someo someone that we can respect, someone that's deserving of the presidency and the white house. because this president certainly is not. and i'm not going to stop calling for his impeachment. i'm going to keep on doing it in every speech that i give because i believe in it and i believe that america deserves better. he has no values, no good values. this man's character is one that we cannot endure any longer. and so i hope that gets to what

you were trying to ask me, even thoe i have not heard you very clearly, thank you for giving me the opportunity to repeat over and over again what i've said constantly about him. >> thank you so much, congresswoman. thank you. we really appreciate your time. you're there in selma so thank you very much. appreciate you congresswoman. tiffany cross from the beat, d.c., is back with me. tiffany, your reaction. donald trump report lid said that the united states congresswoman who his chief of staff has already insulted ought to have her iq tested. >> yeah. i'm not surprised at this. i am a little surprised that donald trump would set himself up for something he would certainly lose. i think -- i'd put money on it that she would win that iq test and score higher than he would. but i think the dangerous thing about the gridiron dinner in this situation, normally it's a moment of levity for the d.c. people to come together and poke fun and rib each other. i'm not so sure that this time

it was a good idea because it normalizes the insanity that is this president. there's nothing funny about colluding with foreign nationals. there is nothing funny about obstruction of justice, and there is nothing funny about the racist rhetoric that this president has said, reiterated and celebrated throughout his administration. so i don't really get the humor there. his attempt at humor fell way short to me. and i would just caution people that this is the first step to normalizing someone who his integrity and dignity falls very short of the office. when we saw during two years ago when bah iraqi obama leveled donald trump at the white house correspondents's dinner, i think this was a moment we could all celebrate. but even before that when george w. bush during one of the white house kornts dinner, typically that was a funny dinner. there was a year where george bush made some jokes and then showed him looking under a desk and temperature said got those mass weapons of destruction, got to be around here somewhere. and people called and filed in

and said that's not so funny. we lost lives on a war that started for nothing. and what donald trump has done this time seecis even worse. ease actively insulting members of his party, he's actively someone who's been accused of sexual assault by multiple women. i just -- there's nothing -- there's no laughing matter here to me. >> at the risk of sounding like chris matthews, you have read my mind because i was just going to ask you about that very thing, about the idea that members of the media are still attending these kinds of sort of, you know, the fall events and laughing it up with the president of the united states. you mentioned the other incident that i was going to bring up because you are very smart and wise at this stuff. that you had george w. bush laughing about weapons of mass destruction. not a laughing maurt if you sent your son or daughter who then died or was grievously injured in iraq in a war where they were looking for said weapons of mass destruction when which were never there and the

administration likely understood that they were not there and said that they were. and then, again, what is going on in our media and our politics when people are still normalizing a president who is potentially in the crosshairs of an investigation for colluding with a foreign power to gain his office? should we be walking away from these events at this point? >> i definitely think so. and i think the root cause of it is a lack of diversity in news rooms and even a lack of diversity in thought. we've talked about this on this show before. "the new york times" for example has an all white team covering this president. you can find that same example in many news rooms across the pun country. perhaps there's a lack of understanding why some of these things just not funny, it's not funny to talk about arming teachers or why everything this president says he'll back it up and sara sanders will come out and say he was just joking when he made that comment or he was just joking about police roughing up suspects when they put them in the back of the car. well the american people are not

laughing and we're paying for some of these things with our very lives. in addition to our tax dollars. none of these things are funny and i think the media's attempt to normalize in president, to understand things about this president, to drop euphemisms around race ifgts and ignorant and dangerous remarks, you can move all that aside and as americans and patriots let's just talk about our national security. that's not a partisan issue, that's an issue as americans we want to feel safe. this president actively makes us feel unsafe every day from a preemptive trade war that he's just kicked off to the discussion of putting more guns in schools, nobody knows where he stands on that. it didn't take long for him to flip flop on that. to the constant lies he tells on his twitter feed to his constant sel promotion. none of these things are funny and i think the media's attempt to make them -- something that, you know, when we see this constant cycle of breaking news, when people turn on the television, i mean, people have become immune to it at a certain

point because every day, i think about a year ago how many scandals we were in at this point. and now a full year later i think some of his base is going to start feeling the impact of some of his shortcomings. and to have the people who are covering him in a room with him laughing with him and ribbing with him and joking with him, it doesn't do much to restore faith in the media, particularly when you've got one side attacking them calling them fake news and the other side a little bit oblivious trying to normalize his base and him. it doesn't bode well for those of us in the media and it's dangerous times, i think. >> indeed. well said. brilliant. tive i have cross, appreciate you being here as always. have a great sunday. wise words for the media. coming up, donald trump's allies push back on report that he's having a meltdown and up next the immigration battle a mom separated from her 7-year-old child. most pills don't finish the job

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along this terribly dangerous network. i am considering exactly that. they'll be well-paid for as we deal with their parents. >> general kelly later claims that he never said he is considering using family separation but it looks like the practice is happening anyway. the 39-year-old congresswoman seeking a asylum in the united states was detained along with her seven-year-old daughter. first, they were detained together in san diego but then for no clear reasons, the government official took the child away from her mom and moved her to a facility in chicago. the two have been separated for four months. joining me, representing the mother identified as miss l. this is as horrific story, lee. tell us what is happening to this mom and her daughter. >> absolutely horrific and unfortunately, it is not the only situation. it is widespread across the

country. this woman and child came to the u.s. seeking a asylum and importantly they had a asylum interview, the mother passed. they put them together for four days. after four days they brought the child into another room. this is the mother telling me in anguish and details, she heard her daughter screaming please don't take me away from my mommy. that's the last time she's seen her and that's been four months. not a video connection. why her daughter was being taken and four days before she got to speak to her daughter. this mother like any mother is just in gut-wrenching anguish.

>> is this literally punitive and punishing her. >> the government did not say why but they did not say she was abu abusive or neglectful. >> general kelly says he was willing to use family deterrence stopping people from coming to the united states. >> these families and particularly children, there are children seven years old or younger in some kind of crazy politics experience. now the administration is back and we are still contemplating. people need to understand it. whether it is called a policy, it is happening in practice. it is widespread. we are hearing hundreds of parents and little kids being separated. >> are these parents and kids are from different countries of the world? >> they're from all over.

this family we are representing now, they're from dokabongo. you cannot take a mother and child and separate them. the medical community is overwhelmingly denouncing this policy. >> pediatricians warn against separating family, issued a finding that federal authorities must exercise caution to ensure the emotional and physical stress children experience as they seek refuge in the united states is not excerbated. >> the lawyers of the two don't know where each others are. we were lucky to find this parent and child so we can bring this lawsuit. we'll continue to fight this

nationwide. it is not the end. >> it seems extraordinary to me of a government claims to be a compassionate nation would think it is any good of a reason to separate the child seven-year-old from her mom. is it held arrest or where are these two? >> the mother is in prison. >> whatever you want to call it, it is a prison, it is a house immigration detainees and criminal defense. the daughter is in a facility. the question is not really whether if the daughter had no parents or whether the facility is adequate. it is the fact that she's crying for her mother everyday. she's a little seven-year-old girl and the mother cannot sleep or eat because she's worried of the daughter. there is no legitimate reason for doing this. this administration goes if the words go out around the world, you may lose your child. >> has the government indicated to you or the attorneys that

this mother could get her daughter back if she chooses to leave. >> they have not said that. that's what we are hearing all around the country people are being told, oh, you want your kids back, give up and leave. >> unconsciousable and disgusting and shameful. these are t >> these are the only words that i can use. thank you for shining lights on this. >> absolutely. >> the aclu is launching and demanding trump take action on immigrants. -ahh. -the new guy. -whoa, he looks -- -he looks exactly like me. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, and no one would know who was who. jamie, you seriously think you look like him? uh, i'm pretty good with comparisons. like how progressive helps people save money by comparing rates, even if we're not the lowest. even if we're not the lowest. whoa!

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together, we're building a better california. that's our show for today. we'll be back next saturday. up next is my friend alex whit with the latest. >> that story with if mom. >> people could hear us after the break. i cannot believe that of the anger you feel of what that mom is going through. i am glad that you brought lights to this. if there is anything i can do. thank you very much. from all of you, i am alex witt, it is high noon here in the east. here's what's happening. new report of dark days at the white house after a roller coaster week involving at least three key administration players. >> i think what the staff has to do is