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the state department has $120 million to spend to combat russian meddling in future elections and reportedly spent none of it? but first, we could start tonight with hope hicks departure a day after acknowledging he sometimes tells white lies for the president or jared kushner losing top secret access. we could start with new lines of questioning from bob mueller or the freezing out of jeff sessions. we could talk about that remarkable guns meeting with the president's seemingly making democrats points for them. or we can talk about the uncertain future of h.r. mcmaster. here's the president at the gridiron last night. he said, so many people have been leaving the white house, it's been really exciting and invigorating. i like turnover. i like chaos. it really is good. now the question everyone is asking is, who's going to be the next to leave? steve miller or melania? that's terrible, honey, but you love me. right? with that, let's bring in the panel. msnbc political analyst, "the washington post" white house bureau chief and analyst phillip i like turnover. i like chaos.

it really is good. now the question everyone is asking is, who's going to be the next to leave? steve miller or melania? that's terrible, honey, but you love me. right? with that, let's bring in the panel. msnbc political analyst, "the washington post" white house bureau chief and analyst phillip rucker and former press secretary and ken delandian. thank you for coming in tonight. let's start with the gridiron dinner because this is -- the president to say that the president has had an uneasy relationship with the town of washington with the press i think is something of an understatement. how did -- ken, you were there. how did it come across in the room? >> well, you know, it was a moment of suspense because donald trump avoided the black tie suares. he would have to sit here where they do skits and -- >> we should probably explain that. gridiron is one of the odest clubs in washington.

black tie or white tie? >> white tie and tails. >> for men. and there are as you point out skits from journalists, especially people who, you know, are new to the club and the president traditionally attends and makes a spech. >> that's right. >> president obama from what i know was a hit in the past. >> and george w. bush and many presidents before him. so donald trump passed the test of sitting through the -- as the journalists including colleagues of nbc poked fun at him and then make a speech and be funny himself and of course everyone knows the key to this is is to be self deprecating and that's hard for donald trump and he actually succeeded up front. i would say. for the first few jokes he got a lot of laughs in the room. but then he start -- seemed like he started to veer off script and ad lib. he got a little mean. he said that he needed to take an iq test for congresswoman maxine waters. he called nancy pelosi crazy. i feel like he lost the room a little bit. people were rolling their eyes

and shaking their heads. >> phil, you have quite a story in "the washington post" this morning detailing kind of what's going on behind the scenes and how rattled the president and those around him really are right now. >> that's right. i was surprised given what we know from his mood over the last week and so frustrated and angry behind the scenes and private with his friends, staff, really upset about the russia probe, the negative stories of jared kushner and then there he was for four hours having dinner in front of 1,000 journalists and ambassadors and senators and the swamp creatures he loves to hate and seemed to be in good spirits about it. he laughed at a lot of the jokes. the speech wasn't perfect but it was pretty good. >> he seemed to kind of roll with the punches at least? >> he seemed relaxed last night. >> mark, were you surprised the president decided to do this? he didn't want to play this game. >> not really. i think he went there with good spirits.

and he had some fun with it. i'll tell you while i didn't go to this year's dinner, i was there last year when he spoke and gave the keynote republican. one of the most challenging speeches to do every year. one thing to talk policy but to be funny as a politician, there's a lot of pressure on that. >> ask the house speaker paul ryan. >> we were working on for many days. >> i want to dig into what phil wrote this morning along the colleagues ashley park e and josh dausy. inside the white house the aides describe an air of volatility with an uncontrollable commander in chief at the center. these are the darkest days in at least half a year, they say, and they worry just how much further president trump and his administration may plunge into unrest and malaise before they start to recover. as one official put it, we haven't bottomed out. so, phil, and i want your take, how much further does this go? if we can't bottomed out, what

is next? all about russia or more than? >> more than russia. russia's at the center of it. we know for months that the russia investigation bothered and rattled the president. but he is frustrated with attorney general jeff sessions. he wasn't prosecuting as aggressively as he would have liked to see. he was mad about that dinner that the photograph of the dinner that leaked. but it's more than that, too. it is the scrutiny that his son-in-law jared kushner is under. the white house senior adviser for the web of sort of business entanglements he has and the foreign contacts made in the white house frustrated with other things, too, including the loss of the communication director hope hicks so much more than a communication director and describe her as a defacto therapist for the president and an emotional support and stabilizing force for the president and she is going to be gone.

>> i think my producer would be mad if i made a pun about her being his only hope. when where does this leave president trump? if he is unmoored from many of the people he trusts and was closest to? >> it's hard to look back and say that the people around him have been that effective at restraining some of his, you know, more self destructive impulses and what phil is talking about is what's different now is the fact that the mueller probe is closer to the president. there's something about the movement of that and where it's heading and i think that really bothers the president more. i think this is also a person who has always worked with a pretty close-knit circle of advisors, people who he really trusts their loyalty. a lot of those people are gone now and they're hard to replace. we've seen, you know, when somebody leaves this administration, they slide somebody else from another spot into that spot. in nick mulvaney's case they have him do two jobs. there aren't that many people that the president really trusts outside this administration. he still has kellyanne conway

there and a few other people, but as some of the people that he really trusts the most are leaving, as jared and ivanka may have to eventually leave the administration, he's more and more isolated as this goes forward. i just don't know what happens when mueller gets closer to the president and he doesn't have the people that he really trusts around him. >> ken dilanian, how much jeopardy is jared kushner in right now? >> it looks like significant jeopardy, kasie. that was one of a torrent of news actually last week on the mueller investigation that i think contributed to the ratcheting up of this pressure. one was the story nbc news did that said mueller is looking at meetings kushner may have had with foreign officials and whether those meetings during the transition affected policy. as we were sitting there in the grid iron -- >> and those foreign officials were actually sitting there thinking, how do we manipulate jared kushner in order to -- >> there was a story in the washington post that said there was intelligence, intercepts. this guy needs money for his business, we can target him.

nbc reported mueller asked if donald trump coordinated the leaks of the e-mails from the russians to wikileaks. there is a lot of mueller news. the ball seems to be moving forward and trump feels under increasing pressure about it. >> you said you were sitting at the grid iron. i didn't mean to cut you off. >> there was another particular line of inquiry by mueller of the united arab emirates and if they influenced the trump administration. >> phil rucker, let's say ivanka and jared are not able to continue to function in the way that they are. do you think that this might be jared kushner's last month in the white house? and where would losing them leave the president? >> well, losing them would mean he really would be losing his family and he would be left with a paid staff basically. hope hicks, jared, ivanka, they've been like surrogate -- he left the end of last year. there is no indication jared and

ivanka are leaving any time soon, but there is one clue, and we're reading tea leaves here. the clue is that their top spokesman, josh rafael, deputy communications director in the white house, has been the crisis manager for dealing with all of these crises involving jared kushner -- >> very forcefully behind the scene. >> correct. he announced his resignation last week. he is going to be leaving in the next couple of weeks. that's going to be a huge hole for jared and ivanka to fill. >> you've been out of the administration for a little while. how does this feel now compared to what you saw when you were kind of behind the scenes? reince priebus was talking a little bit this morning on abc, how when i left t wasn't quite that bad when i walked out the door. it's gotten a lot worse. is that what it looks like you to? >> it's hard to tell when you're inside and seeing how it's reported on the outside of what it's like. it's usually not very close to what we experience on the inside. you are so focused on your day

to day in terms of what is the next issue, i mean, in the white house calm press office, what is tomorrow's event, the next press conference. you read about what it's supposedly like and it's not really resembling what you come to experience. i can tell you that team is really close. and while i don't want to under estimate the importance of hope or anyone else in the administration -- and she's obviously a wonderful friend and colleague, but these jobs do have high turnover, and they churn people through. and so i have no doubt that the president will have greater people -- >> four. >> four, yes. but he will have not just that role, but in all the roles that he will continue to have great people serving him and moving forward. >> how is it vice-president pence manages to rise above the fray? >> well, the vice-president's role is completely different in some areas.

he's out traveling the country right now. he was out on the road over the weekend. i think he's got at least one or two trips this week where he's out doing a lot of the stumping -- >> he can go a lot of places this president might not be able to go, right? >> it's not about where he can't go. he's doing a lot of the campaign work. he was at the grid iron last night with the president and the first lady and so his staff there, we're working right now on the political side with a lot of foreign travel. >> i keep coming back to all these people, including vice-president pence and hope hicks, they're all paying white collar criminal defense lawyers. that is not normal. >> that's how you operate when that's going on in the background. >> john kelly still kind of in trouble, has to rewrite again this week what happened with rob porter. where does he -- how shaky is the ground he's standing on? >> i think the thing that gives him job security is the fact there aren't -- there are people leaving the administration, not a lot of people lining up to do that job.

the president has been struggling to replace john kelly, may be forced to sort of keep him in place. there's a lot of -- there's a narrative out there in shall what wash about oh, john kelly put one over on jared and ivanka the way he sort of turned -- took the pressure off him with the rob porter thing. john kelly, the narrative about him is is that he imposed a process. he brought more order to the west wing and we're not really seeing that. and so, you know, whether he can do -- he's there, but i don't know how long -- like mark said, there is high turnover and donald trump puts people through the ringer more i think than -- >> most. >> most. >> indeed. we're just getting started on "kasie d.c." still to come brand-new reporting just out tonight about what robert mueller is looking for from at least one witness. plus, barack obama had bill clinton for secretary of explaining stuff. donald trump has wilbur ross. we'll let him explain tariffs. plus, congresswoman debbie dingell on finding bipartisan ground to try and bring an end to mass shooting. and as we go to break, we let the flight of the bumble bee take us through the break neck

week that was. "kasie d.c." back after this. >> trump meets with a group of governors. >> and united are essentially splitting with the nra. >> the democratic memo was releeszed. >> mexico's president abruptly -- >> oh, my gosh. >> hope hicks talking with house investigators. >> trump announced today he's a int toed brad parscale as campaign manager. >> gun control legislation is headed to the hill. >> we have some breaking news. jared kushner will lose his access to top secret intelligence. >> hope hicks admitted she tells white lies for the president. >> manafort breaking right now has just pleaded not guilty. >> trump and the u.s. congress bid farewell to billy graham. >> ben carson is in hot water over some lavish interior decorating choice. >> mueller is asking specific and pointed questions. >> javanka and kelly are locked in a death match.

>> hope hicks resigning she's out. >> even more breaking news. >> walmart announced it, too, would raise the age limit. >> couldn't shut off brand-new nuclear weapons. >> new tariffs on steel and aluminum. >> the trade war that is now being launched. >> the dow has lost 500 points. >> the president dubbed his attorney general mr. mcgoo. >> this is crazy. >> sessions defended himself in a rare statement. >> general mcmaster may be departing his role. >> trade wars are good and easy to win. >> the president's economic advisor reportedly threatened to quit. >> breaking news to report. mueller's special prosecutor asking of kushner's ties influenced white house policy. >> it would be a chaos president. >> that ended up being right.

welcome back to "kasie d.c." instead of explaining the impact of the president's tariff hike ourselves, we decided to leave it to commerce secretary wilbur ross. >> this is a can of campbell's soup. in the can of campbell's soup there is 2.6 cents, 2.6 pennies worth of steel. if that goes up by 25%, that's about 6/10 of 1 cent. here's a can of coca-cola. coca-cola has 3 cents worth of aluminum in it.

so, if that goes up 10%, that's 3/10 of a cent. i just paid $1.49 for this can of coke. it doesn't mean anything. so, all this hysteria is a lot to do about nothing. >> joining me now, member of the foreign relations committee, senator chris coons of delaware. thank you for joining me. it's nice to see you. >> thank you, kasie. i hope you're not going to ask me to explain what it was commerce secretary wilbur ross was trying to explain in that clip. >> you don't have a coke in hand. that's too bad. senator, i do want to start, though, with the tariffs. there has been quite the worldwide response, both from countries like china, but also close allies of the united states including canada. what is your view of the president's decision in this

regard? was this a good idea? >> frankly the president didn't do his homework on this one and this is what happens when you take bumper sticker level attack on the world trading system that might stir up election rallies, but it is terrible policy and throwing it out there without having done enough work with our allies and industry and partners around the world. the tariffs that the president is threatening to slap onto imported steel and aluminum will principally affect some of our core and vital allies. canada, south korea, some of our european allies. rather than principally affecting china, which is the country he says he's been trying to get their attention on trade issues. i think, for example, rather than withdrawing from the trans-pacific partnership, if the president really wants to strengthen our hand in the world in terms of trade, getting back to the table and negotiating a strong tough fair deal with our partners in the asia-pacific against china would make a lot more sense. so, i frankly think that our allies weren't well prepared for

it. the markets took a dive in response to it. and it's not yet clear to me what exactly the president's goal is in slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum, principally imported from key allies. >> still, i mean this is something that the president ran on, and there are some members of your party, people like joe manchin of west virginia, shari brown of ohio who suggested this could be good policy and essentially those who -- in both parties, republican and democrat -- who have supported free trade policies have essentially left behind the middle of america. what do you say to them? >> there are folks in both parties who have called on the president to impose restrictions on our competitors, whether it's by punishing china for currency manipulation or going after china and others for stealing our intellectual property, this particular move, putting tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, is popular with folks in states

where there is still a steel making industry that faces significant foreign pressure. and so this is something -- this isn't some out of the blue move by the president. he did run on this. he's talked about it repeatedly. what i'm trying to suggest but saying that he didn't fully do his homework was that there is reporting that folks within the white house, within his own administration, and in some of our key allies, capitals around the world, who were utterly unprepared for this announcement. it was the way it was announced and the likely impact it will have that doesn't align with our best economic interests. >> let's switch gears. i want to ask you about the russia investigation as well as russian meddling in our past and future elections. dennis mcdonagh, president obama's chief of staff, spoke to chuck todd on "meet the press" earlier today. let's take a look and i want to ask you about it. >> president asked four leaders in a bipartisan meeting in the oval office to join him in asking the states to work with us on this question.

it took over three weeks to get that statement worked out. it was dramatically watered down. you can ask harry reid and nancy pelosi, even the -- >> and it was watered down on the insistence of mitch mcconnell? >> yes. >> and nobody else? >> yes. >> senator, what knowledge do you have of how that came to be? did mitch mcconnell water down the letter? and do you think that president obama did enough to warn the country ahead of the 2016 election? >> well, kasie, i have no direct knowledge of what dennis mcdonagh is relating there. i wasn't involved in the conversations with the speaker and the majority leader and the minority leader and the house and the senate about warning the american public around 2016 meddling. i do think the obama administration tried to strike the right balance between being forceful in confronting putin personally in the case of president obama, and engaging

congress. just a few short weeks before a general election and trying to avoid seeming partisan, the larger question is whether we've done enough to protect our election that's upcoming here in just a few months in 2018. and the answer clearly is that we haven't. there is reporting out in "the new york times" today that out of a fund of $120 million that was appropriated to the state department to allow them to combat meddling in elections, election interference, none of it, zero, has been spent so far. and although i've joined a bipartisan bill, a good-bye partisan bill that senator langford, senator klobuchar have called the secure elections act, we don't have a pathway to getting that bill passed. as an appropriator, i'm working on a bipartisan basis to get grants out to the states in time, but it is a

republican-controlled congress and i'll tell you, my concern is that we are not doing enough bipartisan work to get this done and get this done in a timely way to protect us for the 2018 election. >> i'm glad you raised that "the new york times" report. i was going to ask you about it. i'm wondering do you plan to ask questions of rex tillerson or can your committee do anything to try and get to the bottom of why exactly none of this money that's been authorized has actually been spent? >> absolutely. the senate foreign relations committee has an upcoming scheduled hearing with secretary of state tillerson. it is striking to me that after the senate, by a vote of 98-2, authorized the president to use new sanctions authority to push back on russia, to punish russia for interfering in our 2016 election. to my estimation, not enough has been done yet, and this new reporting today that this dedicated fund has not been utilized strikes me as just a dereliction of duty by the state department and by the trump administration. we can and should do more on a bipartisan basis. i'm working as an appropriator, as a senator with republican colleagues to try and tackle this problem.

but time is really running out. and very recently in the house intelligence committee, we heard testimony from president trump's own cia director, national security advisor, and director of national intelligence that they believe the russians will attempt to interfere in our next election. they have interfered in democratic elections across western europe and so the time is long past due for us to step forward and take action. and i intend to press secretary tillerson on why this fund has not been appropriately used by the state department. >> senator, before i let you go, march 5th was supposed to be the deadline to find a fix for kids who are here under the daca program. at this point, do you think there is any scenario where congress acts on this topic before the end of the year? >> well, there's two topics i think we need to address in a bipartisan way. tackling gun violence and addressing immigration and the

status of dreamers. i was bitterly disappointed that a strong bipartisan bill that would have solved the status of dreamers was rejected. it got 54 votes because of the president's change in position and active lobbying against it. until we know that the president will support some solution on dreamers, i have a hard time seeing how we're going to get it back on the floor and get it done in time this year. >> senator chris coons, with that rosy assessment, thank you very much. really appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, kasie. >> just ahead, inside an interesting client dinner meeting. the law firm of sessions, rosenstein and cisco. we'll explain next. ♪

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welcome back. our friend jonathan swan at axios is out with a new report tonight with new specifics on what special counsel robert mueller is asking for. this is a courting to a grand jury subpoena that mueller's team sent to a witness last month. axios says mueller is issuing a subpoena for all communications, meaning e-mails, texts, and handwritten notes that this witness sent and received regarding the people that you are seeing now on your screen.

that includes president trump, paul manafort, rick gates, steve bannon, hope hicks, and others. the subpoena reportedly asks for all communications from november 1st, 2015, up until next. nbc news has not yet independently confirmed this report. we should put that caveat out there. ken dilanian, what do you make of this new reporting? what's he looking for here? >> well, he wants all communications from everyone for all time. we should not assume that just because he's asking for this stuff from one witness he doesn't already have it or a lot of it because what's been very clear from our interviews with people who have been before robert mueller is that those guys have a lot of resources at their disposal. u.s. intelligence resources. they have e-mails. they have location information. they have all kinds of communications. they know about meetings you were in that you don't even remember you were in. so, you know, they're going to dot their i's and cross their t's and asking everybody for every scrap of paper they have. they know about the communications between those

people. >> is this something like, for example, what may have happened with rick gates where he's having negotiation was mueller about how to plead and suddenly he's lied to mueller because mueller knows from some other magical way -- >> absolutely, that is why that is so bizarre. rick gates is negotiating with the mueller team about a plea and he allegedly lies to them and they have a paper that showed he lied. >> is he telling everybody this is going to be over soon and not to wore sni >> we passed thanksgiving, the initial date this was supposed to be over, then christmas and january. he's not telling everyone it is going to be over soon. what he is saying, we're going to cooperate, the white house is cooperating and mueller at some point in the near future is going to reach a conclusion that the president did not collude, that there was no collusion with the campaign. that, of course, is separate from the other investigation mueller is doing, which is into obstruction of justice on the part of the president and things like firing jim comey, for

example. >> right. and jeff sessions who is the topic of our next discussion. phil rucker and his colleagues at the washington post are reporting that the president seegted with anger over cable news coverage of this photo. it came by axios, shows attorney general jeff sessions at dinner with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who over sees the rush vegas. the outing was described in news reports as an act of solidarity after the president attacked sessions on twitter that same morning. and after reports surfaced this week that the president has been referring to sessions as mr. magoo in private, yes, mr. magoo. he unleashed yet another joke at the white tie grid iron dinner last night. mr. trump reportedly told the crowd he had offered his attorney general a ride to the event, but he recused himself. here's former white house chief of staff reince priebus weighing in this morning. >> the president has made up his

mind in regard to how he feels about the recusal. he feels like that was the first sin, the original sin, and he feels slighted by it. he doesn't like it. and he's not going to let it go. >> so, eli, jeff sessions and the president, is this a relationship that is getting better, getting worse, is it a stand still of negativity? >> oh, it's gotten worse. i don't know where it is. seems like a game of chicken now, right? the president insults jeff sessions. the attorney general goes out at somewhat less subtly than the president, not very subtle, has this dinner in a public place. this is basically a response to the president. that's how people have to communicate with the president. they don't go into a room and hash out their differences. and i think jeff sessions understands that there is not going to be -- this president is not amenable to a conversation like that. this president, as reince priebus said, has made up his mind. that ship has sailed. so, as long as the president

isn't going to fire jeff sessions, jeff sessions is going to be there and rod rosenstein is going to be there and that's what rankled this president as the mueller probe goes forward. >> jeff sessions is somebody we know, we've recounted this time after time considering how events have unfolded. he was up on that stage way in the beginning of the trump campaign, wearing the make america great again hat. when you look at all of this, does it feel to you as though jeff sessions has turned on the president or is he still trying as hard as he can to get into the president's good graces? that photo suggests that's not the case. >> he's doing his job. this president is frustrated by the pace of washington, d.c. he generally has been, why wasn't this done yesterday? why wasn't this completed yesterday? he vents his frustrations whether that be on twitter, but he's let ing it known he wants this concluded. by going through the i.g. process, looking into hillary clinton, how the fbi handled those things, and potential

impropriety by some agents and a small group of people at the fbi, he believes that needs to be done. he's basically letting it be known he wants it done yesterday, he wants it done fairly and he wants it looked into. >> ken? >> i think it's also pretty clear that donald trump thinks that jeff sessions should be his lawyer. he's actually the attorney general of the united states. he tweeted i've had the best legal advice my whole life now i have this guy. he's not your guy. that's the issue here, he's the attorney general. you're right, he's doing his job and parts of his job is to meet with rod rosenstein and donald trump clearly does not like that. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> you bet, kasie. >> coming up we have a look at how your tax dollars are hard at work in washington. you may be surprised or not. "kasie d.c." back after this.

what i told them going forward is this. there's a change occurring. you're going to accommodate the security threats as they exist. you're going to accommodate those all ways, alternate ways, up to and including flying coach. that's going to happen on the very next flight. so those things are happening right away. >> the pressure continues to mount when it comes to the trump administration's spending habits. epa chief scott pruitt is now promising changes to his travel practices despite receiving what he calls, quote, unprecedented threats. pruitt says he will fly coach from now on instead of first class. then there's the case of ben carson's $31,000 dining room set which was reportedly ordered for his office at the department of

housing and urban development at the urging of his wife candie. carson has apparently tried to rescind the order after he was sharply criticized for going $26,000 above the allotted budget. i'm just going to go ahead and say you can get a dining set at ikea for what is less than the allotted budget at housing of urban development. you covered scott pruitt. it seemed like it took a lot of pushing to get him to walk this back. >> right. this is the guy who last year went to colorado, connecting flight to denver was canceled. we'll charter a jet for $5,000. flying first class all around the world, spending $25,000 to put a soundproof booth where he can have private phone conversations inside his office. that's a lot of money at the epa. and you know, what happens when we're focused -- i mean, trump makes it hard to focus on what's happening at the agencies. when we do focus on the agencies, we're focusing on the administrators, the secretaries

and maybe excessive spending in certain places like you just outlined. and what that does is that obscures what the agencies are actually doing or not doing. in hud's case, there are probably a lot of programs that are not being funded, programs for poorer families, housing programs. at the epa -- >> and a lot of changes in regulation. >> this administrator has rolled back a lot of different environmental protection ands those don't get covered the same way either. there is so much going on and there are legitimate questions to be asked about the way these folks are spending taxpayer dollars. can't cover everything. >> mark, quickly before we go, is this draining the swamp? how is this draining the swamp? >> i think the president is getting to that. i think we've got some issues right now as we've seen where some folks are getting adjusted to the way washington works and how you should be mindful of how -- mindful of the taxpayer dollars. and the good thing is that they're getting those things taken care of. i would have preferred they got them taken care of earlier.

but get back to doing the job, cut the regulations, let's get the reform moving. >> the rules are a little bit different when you are spending other people's money. eli stokols and ben, thank you for being here tonight. i really appreciate it. just ahead, congresswoman debbie dingell joins me on set. she is leading a bipartisan ert to prevent the ones like stoneman douglas high school from happening again. that's next on "kasie d.c."

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a lot of times by the time you go to court it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. i like taking the guns early. take the guns first, go through due process second. >> how honest do you want to be? imagine if barack obama had said that. just ignore due process and start confiscating guns. if he was a dictator we would have denounced him first. someone would be talking impeachment, someone would be mutt erring is he session. >> one of the risks how to

address gun violence in the wake of the parkland shooting. those are the focus of a bipartisan work group in congress. congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan and her partner up tan are working on the response to parkland shooting. their work continues on the backdrop of more gun related incidents in u.s. schools this week including one in dingell's home state. just two days ago a 19-year-old student killed both of his parents in a central michigan university residence hall. congresswoman dingell joins me now. thank you for coming in on an oscars night. let's start with guns.

you're working on this working group. how are you -- do you think you can get anything done, especially in a republican house of representatives? the speaker paul ryan essentially said last week he doesn't necessarily think we need to do anything except perhaps make these changes to nix. >> i'm an optimist. i think it's very important this time that we not go back to the same corners and have the same discussion and everybody sits in there. we're not going to do this and we're not going to do that. i think the kids, to see those kids out there who are -- no child should be afraid to go to school. no child should be -- kids shouldn't be doing drills where they're hiding in closets. but i think our young people are very articulate, and i'm hopeful that our kids saying we need to do something -- fred and i are part of a problem-solver caucus which is an equal number of republicans and equal number of democrats. and i think that people want to see something done. when i was just watching tucker a minute ago, i think one of the differences may be he is very correct. if a democratic president tried to do this -- i mean, i was there in '94. i remember '94. everybody would be screaming. but we have a republican president saying we need to do something. so, i think that there are places we can find common ground and i think we have to do something. >> do you agree with president

trump that due process should be -- come after? >> i'm trying to be very careful here and not -- due process does matter and i'm going to be very hahn efforts. you know it, you tweeted something i didn't know when you tweeted it on wednesday. that dingell is going to be introducing legislation this week so we can recall. >> let's walk our viewers through. i appreciate you bringing that up. this is why is it impossible to recall guns.. so if a gun manufacturer manufactures a defective product that is injuring people going off. there's no power inside the government to recall it. you're referencing your husband john dingell who apparently put -- i didn't know it either that prevents this from happening. >> the point i actually was going to make, i think, i'm married to probably one of the strongest second amendment defenders in this country. >> yeah. >> so i have lived with a man and his son they're both. but i lived with a man that shouldn't have guns.

i think i probably see both sides better than most people do. and i know there are people that can have guns and, you know, for all the reasons. but there are people that shouldn't have access to guns. now the story that you have read and i read after i read your twitter, so twitter does work. at some point in the '60s or '70s i was a child that hadn't met john dingell. i think someone is worried someone is going to take their guns away. there are probably people that think that. that's not realistic or pragmatic at this point. at some point before i ever knew about guns or could talk about guns and i'm still not the world's expert on every kind of gun there is, a decision was very clearly made. people were concerned they would try to take their guns away and they would use them to ban guns. we're going to introduce legislation when a gun is

defective, like any other product, trying to work it through so we don't give everybody heart attacks, which i'm sure we are. who is the right person to do it and it's on defective guns. not anything else. >> somebody who wants to be a law-abiding gun owner that has a gun that malfunctions. i want to ask you and you referred to this. you are also working on domestic violence-related legislation. and amy klobuchar talked about this. the president mentioned it in the meeting. do you have any hope that's something? >> here is where i think we can find common ground. i think that there is agreement we need to tighten the background check. we have a bipartisan bill that is sitting in the house. john dingell was somebody who helped get the background checks into place. and people don't understand that right now the data that needs to be going into it is not going into it for a variety of reasons. if you have been a married domestic violence and you're convicted, you cannot have a gun.

what our bill would do is if someone was a dating partner or had been in a relationship or stalker and convicted of having -- if they had a felony conviction, they would not then be able to own a gun. >> right. >> and we know you're five times more likely, a woman is in domestic violence situation to die if there is a gun present. so we're trying to time that and the president said that should be part of it. so we hoped that would be it. the red flag during the last week when we were home. fred upton and i met with everybody together and separately. we met with prosecutors, law enforcement, judges, mental health, aclu, schools, educators, teachers. >> all the stakeholders. >> everybody. and everybody said you need to have the tools. so if you deem someone to be a threat to themselves or to the community, you've got the ability to take the gun away.

>> yeah. we're looking at that, as well. >> quickly, before i let you go on the midterms, what is your -- are democrats going retake the house of representatives? >> i say i don't mean to be debby downer. i would rather be where democrats are now. but it's a long time between now and november. and we need to remember there are whole lot of jobs -- a whole lot of issues people care about and the economy front and center is one of them. we got talk about the economy. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you. when we continue, another

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