well that's it for us. i'm david gura. you can catch me back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. the news continues after the break with francis rivera. francis? >> all right. thank you, david. hello everyone. i'm france rivera at msnbc headquarters in new york. president trump is set to head to pennsylvania within the next hour or so where he'll be at the campaign style rally in a hotly contested race that will come down to the wire. live report ahead. is on the verge of the deal with the president's new legal team. and the stormy daniels saga takes an interesting turn. could the adult film actress soon speak out? we have the latest from our attorney? >> we begin with president trump now just three hours away from a

big campaign rally near pittsburgh in a hotly contested special congressional election. the race between rick saccone and democrat conor lamb neck and neck. the election tuesday is seen as the bellwether for how november's mid north americans might goo. and also the president's first remarks since a fleury of announces this week. tariffs on steel and aluminum. and historic announcement of an upcoming between trump and kim jong un. is the president's last minute push to boost saccone signaling republicans are actually worried about tuesday? >> that is one way to read it. you mention the point that this race between conor lamb and rick saccone is neck and neck. it should not be. this is a race that a relationship and other year would probably have soewn up.

i think the fact that there is this discrepancy in the polls between the republican and democrat reflects the fact that there are mixed feelings among trump supporters about the president's own performance. one of the reasons the president is coming here to rev up the republican base ahead of this special election. three days from now the president giving a preview of what he might say tonight. heading to moon township to pennsylvania to be a with a really good person. state representative rick kohn who is running for congress. big and happy crowd. rick will help me a lot. also tough on crime and border, love second amendment. and vets. the fact that the president is having a tough time here and generating interesting around saccone is not specific really to president trump. first mid terms tend to be tough for the party in power. it was true for president obama. this is an instance the president's own name is on the

line. so here he's coming back to show that a republican can still win in trump country, francis. >> jeff bennett, thank you for the update. joining me now is michael steele, former spokesperson for john paboehner and advisor for b bush. and also kimberly atkins. chief washington reporter for the boston herald. i appreciate your being with me. michael, i want to start with youality when you look at the money spent. somebody lamb out spending saccone 3-1. and the million dollars they have sunken into this in a district that don't even economiexist come november. talk about the strategy there. >> special elections are all different. they are all special. as this one coming early in the year. it is going to be overanalyzed

no matter who wins. so republicans want to do everything possible to give a relatively bland candidate the best chance of prevailing against an appealing democratic candidate. a guy with a great background. pro second amendment. relatively pre live for a democrat. he fits the district well. but it is a trump district and having trump go there should be able to pull him over the top. >> especially look at the number of years there. 13 years as the democratic. gabriella. you have this race where tough registered democrats out numbers the republicans. but voted overwhelmably republican in recent elections. how big of a predictor will this race be for mid terms in november? >> i think that it shows a lot of concern. or should be showing a lott of concern for republicans as the previous guest said. this shouldn't be a race that is even, you know, competitive for democrats. and it obviously is. and the other thing is republicans have really, you know, thrown everything in the

kitchen sink over, you know, 10 million dollars of advertising. they tried immigration message. they tried attacks message. they have tried a liberal message. and it is not sticking. so obviously the risk here is, you know, that this is a very, very bad sign for republicans. in a pro trump district. and if he goes. and it doesn't effect the outcome, it is even worse. so i think it is very concerning for them. >> you have the president really putting himself out there in this race leading up to this rally, kimberly. we talked about this where you have members of the gop already finger pointing, already, you know, slamming him that he's a weak candidate here. so is that essence their protecting themselves if there is a loss here? they have an excuse or to down play texpectation? >> they definitely want their talking points in line if they do end up with a loss here because the narrative on the democratic side of course will be, look, this is yet another example of a democratic wave we are seeing in these special elections where democrats are

winning in places where republicans have held seats for a long time. and where donald trump did very well in 2016. that being said, it is important to remember that this special elections are always more local than national. and in this case you have two candidates who are both very different in many ways than the incumbent. obviously you have a democrat on the one side and you have a republican who is having trouble wooing unions the way the former incumbent did. who just doesn't have the same sort of message. you have a democrat whose pro second amendment. much more moderate than a lot of democrats. that is appealing to folks in places like pennsylvania. there are a lot of of factors coming on here but in that sense it is testing a lot of different things. not just donald trump's campaign power. but also issues like trade. issues like the economy and the second amendment. all of this is on the table tuesday. >> and of course all of it on the table tonight. we'll see what he says when he is at that rally at that airport

hangar. gabriella when i comes to the stormy daniels and following the money and this money trail. sources nelling nbc news that the attorney michael cohen used his e-mail to arraign for the payment. and -- is it reasonable for the white house to claim that president trump didn't know about any of this? when it comes to the payments? >> i don't think anybody believes that. and i don't think that even if he said it anybody would believe it. this whole scandal is just so sloppy. and it just goes to this, you know, kind of feeling that the president and his advisers are above the law. that they are doing it in such a sloppy way though that the trail they are leaving, whether sarah huckaby sanders saying something at the podium or the lawyer saying something on the news is

just making it worse. >> and then the fact that campaign finance violations here. michael cohen who said in a recent statement the payment was not a campaign contribution or campaign expenditure by anyone here. but others are saying it should qualify as the campaign contribution and could violate election laws. where do you stand on that? yes, to you michael. sorry about that. >> no problem. i think that since he became a national candidate and president he's benefitted from the fact he's perceived as the celebrity. and treated as a celebrity. which has allowed him to get away with thing particular apply with regard to his base that no other politician could. but the law makes no such distinction. if he's been behaving illegally. if his campaign did things illegally or his attorney that will catch up to him and quite fast. >> we're hearing from the stormy daniels via her lawyer. you have got her lawyer michael avanati who was on msnbc last

night with ari melber. let's talk about it after we hear from him. let's listen. that was meeting with, you know when it domts the tariffs deal. we'll talk about that later. let's listen to it now. we have it. >> the fact of the matter is that this could be cleared up very very simply by mr. cohen providing all the of the financial doimts he believes substantiates this claim of his that the money was all his money, that mr. trump never had anything to do with it. and quite honestly. if mr. trump wasn't his client, then why did mr. cohen draft an agreement that had numerous places where mr. trump was to sign. and has a number of references to mr. trump within the document? >> right. >> makes no sense. so kimberly. in this case should cohen release the documents related to this transaction to say, okay,

here it is. take look in black and white when it comes to these documents? >> i'm not sure even if he does. and i don't have a reason to believe he will. i don't know how it helps his cases a at all. no attorney would take action to put their own, even using their own credit to finance some sort of deal without telling their client. clearly this had to do with donald trump. it involved an alleged relationship with donald trump. michael cohen is donald trump's lawyer. the idea that donald trump had no idea that michael cohen was making some sort of payment in furtherance of this deal is just ludicrous. you would have to tell your client if you are doing something that effects his interest or standing legally. not to do so would be malpractice. i don't understand how logically there is a case to be made here the that this has nothing to do with the president. >> michael steele, gabriella and

kimberly. e appreciate you being with me. thank you. still to come a new report sates president trump's lawyers may actually allow him to meet with special council robert mueller but what is the catch? and could it signal an end to the russia probe? plus a newly revealed letter written by vladimir putin to donald trump before he came president. most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase allergy relief is different. flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and 6 is greater than 1. start your day with flonase for more complete allergy relief. flonase. this changes everything.

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there's new reporting about the possibility of president trump answering questions from

special council robert mueller. if wall street journal reporting trump's lawyers are willing to let mueller interview him but only if he agrees to a deadline that would bring the probe to a swift oent. john dowdy calls the report totally false. also revelations from a new book called "russian roulette." klug a secret letter vladimir putin wrote to trump in 2013. in an excerpt published in mother jones the book's autho d authored. and also the "new york times" reporting president trump is talking about adding to his legal team to help with his response to robert mueller. the lawyer he has his eye on, emme emmett flood. joining me now. to both of the you i appreciate your time.

beginning with you barbara. is there anything we need to read into this "new york times" report about a possible change in his legal team? and what would that signal? >> i'm not sure what it would signal. it is maybe not surprising that he would add an additional lawyer to his legal team. as things seem to heat up. seems things are coming out of robert mueller's office more frequently and with greater urgency in recent weeks. it could be an addition. it could be a change in strategy. but i don't know we can read too much into that. there is certainly value in bringing someone o along who's experienced in these kind of cases. in i could see value in having such lawyer but not sure we can read those tea lees just yet. >> as we move on to this russia with love. this sealed and hand delivered letter from vladimir putin to donald trump. is this the first time we're learning about this? >> well apparently it is. and it would be more interesting

to know what's in it. perhaps it is a dear donald trump i'm at to meddle in the 2016 elections. would you help me. that would be interesting. but it's happening at a time when we're also finding out that the mueller investigation seems to be looking a lot at donald trump's business practices before he ran for president. particularly in russia. so this is potentially relevant to that. exactly how it is relevant none of us knows except for muler and his team. >> and it points to the extent of their relationship. did they meet? did they know each other here? so let's pull nbc's megyn kelly's with vladimir putin. that exclusive interview. here is what he had to stay. >> translator: now donald came over to russia even before he was a candidate. i didn't even know he had been

here. i have no clue that he was in russia. we know that the miss universe pageant was big there at that time. we know that donald trump at the time also is trying to really build his brand and build it up in russia. is it possible vladimir putin didn't know that he was in his own country? >> no it is not possible, francis. and i'm shocked that vladimir putin has not told the truth here. because we also know from what's been revealed now that donald trump wrote a letter to putin as well trying to get him to attend. that's what got him the polite reply with the lacquered box, instead of him actually coming to the event. but no, it is very clear that the president has been interested in putin for some time. he denied knowing him at all. and then it became clear that indeed there has been some sort of relationship there. that doesn't prove there was collusion or anything else going

on during the election. but it seems both sides here, putin and donald trump, have not been entirely candid about their relationship with the other. >> barbara, i want to turn back when it comes to the investigation with bob muler and the wall street journal reporting that the deadline here and timeline as far as that agreement. can mueller really agree to a deadline on an investigation like this? especially when it comes to the 60-daytime line? what if there is a develop or something on day 61? how would that work out. >> i would be surprised to see mueller agree to a concession like that. as you negotiate a grand jury appearance or informal interview there is value in giving up some things to achieve the interview without going through delayed litigation and requiring a court to get involved. so he might make some concessions. like we'll limit the duration to three hours or something like that. but in terms of setting a deadline it is highly unlikely. in the office i used to work in.

the u.s. attorney's office. we would sometimes set goals for completing an investigation within a certain time but we never set deadlines. you never know what you are going to find out. you learn about other documents you need to look at. so i think it would be really not in the best interest of the investigation to agree to any deadline. i don't see that happening. >> is there a scenario where mueller wouldn't be able to interview the president? any case you could see? >> i think unlikely. he may not voluntarily appear. but i think mueller could use a grand jury subpoena to compel trump to testify before the grand jury. and i think that is less advantageous for president trump. i think he and his lawyers would prefer to be in a scenario where they are in ab office with the president seated next to his lawyers as they go through the questions. as opposed to president trump being all alone in the grand jury room. i think ultimately they will negotiate ab interview. >> when it comes to that and being advantageous for the

president. is he kind of probing around, poking around to see what he can get that he could use to his own advantage if and when questions? >> i don't know why he's doing it. and it is such a bad idea. if i were his lawyer i would say please do not talk to any witness before the grand jury because it can be perceived as witness tampering. even if it is well intentioned and superficial. it looks bad to be talking with these witnesses and he may be doing it under the guise of just checking in or good naturedly or joking around about it but it could be perceived as a very subtle request for information that could assist him in getting stories straight. so it is just a bad idea for him to be talking to anybody. >> dooing robert mueller when it comes to him hearing about that that it will affect how he goes about this knowing that donald trump is asking these questions trying to get inside info? >> it doesn't surprise anybody that he's doing that sort of

thing. and of course his lawyers would tell him not to do that. i'm sure his lawyers are telling him all kind of things like put down your phone and stop tweeting about the legal proceedings. the president isn't reacting in a way that is legally smart. he's just reacting as he often does with his gut. he very clearly want this is go go away. that's why's saying he'll agree to talk to you if you agree to wrap up the investigation in 60 days. it may feel it is dragging okay a long time. but it has even been a year. the white water investigation went on almost five years during the time the first prosecutor was reported until the star report. >> the new book, "russian roulette" which describe thousand obama administration now about attempt toss interfere in the election but ultimately decided to back away. does that give -- uh-oh, you may have dropped the ball?

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president trump working the phones today after his dramatics announcement of a future meeting with kim jong un and tweeting about calls to japan and china's leaders. saying both leaders support the talks with north korea. and sounded optimistic that diplomacy could work. he took the twitter again a short time ago saying north korea has not conducted a missile test since november 28, 2017 and has promised not to do so through our meetings.

i believe they will honor that commitment. meanwhile dazed white house staffers are scrambling to put together a high stakes meeting with no preparation. so just how did the president make his decision? trump told a trio of officials visiting the oval office thursday, "okay, okay, tell them i'll do it" but less than 24 hours later the white house began to question whether the meeting was even going to happen. >> let's be very clear the united states has made zero concessions. but north korea has made some promises and again this meeting won't take place without concrete actions that match the promises that have been made by north korea. >> officials later clarified the remarks saying they are sticking to a may meeting. but seems secretary of state tillerson was still caught off here. >> we're a long way from negotiations. i think we need to be very clear-eyed and realistic about it. >> but tillerson soon changed his tune saying the rapid fire

summit was not a surprise in any way. the secretary of state is expected to meet with japanese and south korean counterparts next week. and i want to bring in former ambassador to south korea. and also general wesley clark. i so appreciate you being with me as we bite into this. ambassador hill, let's play some sound from earlier. listen? >> i'm worried that kim jong un is setting us in a trap. but i support the president. things couldn't possibly be worse in the korean peninsula. >> so who has more to gain or lose here? president trump or kim jong un? >> well i would say in effect we've already made a major concession. we are sending, or we are going to have the president of the united states meet with kim jong un. that is enormous.

and i think what bothers me in the last 24 hours is to hear both the president and his spokeswoman suggest that what we need from the north koreans is a moratorium on testing through the meeting date. that's a nice thing but when you send your president into a situation like this, you should be looking for something a lot more. you should be looking for north korea to fulfill its obligation to denuclearize, an obligation it made in 2005 and kim jong un hinted at. and yet i don't hear any of that. just the idea they are going to have a moratorium. which by the way the north koreans usually observe when they are in talks with it. so kind of lowering the bar to the point you hardly notice there is one. >> and speaking of that. general, you have that promise to denuclearize from north korea. how can that be taken at face value? or can the united states do that? how can there be verification

that north korea has halted its nuclear program for these talks to happen? >> well we'll be able to know whether they have not tested. of course there is still working on calculations and all kind of things they may have learned in the previous six tests. but the point is there is different ways to go at these things. we could have had long detailed negotiations at staff level. or question start like this with the president meeting. as everybody said this is high risk. but the most likely outcome of this is seems to me is a photo op in which he says, okay. we're going to keep the pressure on. we expect you to do this. and kim says oh yeah we're going that. and as always in the negotiations, the devil is in the details. and the question is how much will the united states ultimately have to give up? it seems is to me that really the issue here is security on a korean peninsula. it is not really about the nuclear weapons. it is about the korean peninsula. and by our injecting ourselves

into it this way we make it easier for kim to work against us and drive a wedge between us and republic of korea. we're there to protect them. so we've saturday of played kim's game by putting our president leading. it is like a chess game in which your opening move is move a pawn and put the queen out front. we usually don't do that. >> especially if you have the questions, okay what is the united states? what do we have to give up? when it comes to that. when it comes to sanctions here. and given the history as well ambassador, i want to talk to you about that, especially given north korea and the deals and promises that have been made with other administrations barack obama. george w. bush, president clint and the trust factor. is kim jong un playing president trump? >> certainly the north koreans will be asking for things and probably looking for sanctions relief. and i would say it is one thing to take a sanction that the u.s. government has placed on north

korea that it can take off and put back on as it sees fit. another thing to be going to the united nations and suggesting we take off u.n. sanctions. because once you try to go in another direction with u.n. sanctions, you will have a hard time putting it back into place. so i think we need to be very careful about any sanctions relief. and i think it really has to be held back for serious efforts by the north koreans. new nuclearization is not something you just wave a wand and it happens. there are so many steps, including getting international teams in there to verify what they have got and other teams to take possession of what they have got. so i think if i were in the trump administration i'd be working very hard to identify all of the steps we want to see north korea go through on its path to denuclearization. and then of course wait for what they want from us. and i would not include withdrawing u.s. troops, which may actually be on their list.

>> ambassador, if you were in the trump administration, you just said. les talk about that. let's talk about who's going to be advising and talking withed the president when it comes to this meeting and what's going to happen. sar is ra huckaby sanders said the president had a incredible team to prepare him for these talks. but who are we talking about here when we talk about the diplomats when it comes to ambassador of south korea. there is none. the state department talk experts when it comes to the dpsh. who would that team comprise of? >> first i think the state department has a lot of very talented people who are not well-deployed at this point. and my suggestion is that secretary tillerson would make it his top priority to identify people who can do this and put them to work. in fact as a general concept i think he ought to spend a lot more time getting the assets that he's got back to work. because this is a real management problem at the state department that he has to devote some time too.

if he's prepared do that i think they can come up with some very good people. but president trump shouldn't be allowed to just wing this and go in alone and be his own council on this. >> and given that, general clark in this final question to you, how does the trump administration avoid being played by a regime that could be easily using this as the stall tactic, to buy time when it comes to them and their arms. and you are talking about here a regime that cheated with the past administrations. >> we've got have a strategy for what you are trying to get out of meeting. and you have to link the strategy to the end state of where you want to be. the question is where do we want to be? is it just about nuclear? or about constraining other harmful activities that the kim regime has been engaged in like the cyber security problems and theft and murder and blackmail and so forth. kidnapping. i think you need to lay out the objectives, work a strategy and see how the president plays into

this. it is the most complicated single action they have tried to do the trump administration. and thus far they haven't shown the ability to be able to bring the various elements of government together to work on a focused way on a single issue. so this is a real challenge. and i'd just like to say, i think in addition to the good people in the state department should be bringing guys back like chris hill who have been there before and can provide background and wisdom. north korea have a deep bench of the negotiators. and many other people have long experience with the north koreans. they should be part of this administration's effort. >> maybe the president is watching and taking notes when it comes to those recommendations from you, sir. i appreciate it. thank you. up next, president trump returns to the campaign trail in pennsylvania ahead of tuesday's big special election, which will prove to be another big test for republicans. we'll preview the president's

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a fresh way to deli. we are now a little more than two hours away from president trump's big political rally tonight near pittsburgh. the president is there to support republican rick saccone ahead of tuesday's special congressional election. in a tight race with conor lamb in a district trump won by 20 points in 2016. the as high stakes election that could set the point for what's

to come in the november mid terms. joining me from pittsburgh, democratic congressman mike doyle from neighboring 14th district. thank you for your time here. let's talking about this. what is at stake for the democrats when it comes to a win here? >> this is a district that republicans have never had to spend much money in for the last 10, 15 years. it is an r-plus 11 district. the district the president won by 20. and the district that mitt romney and other republican candidates national have won easily. so the fact that democrats are competitive in this seat, which does have more registered democrats than republicans but these are democrats that haven't been voting that way recently. to see them coming home right now and making this a race that is too close to call, i think is an indication that there is buyers remorse going on with some trump voters in trump country. >> the timing and the tariffs when it comes to this special election. of course we know just coming days after the president

announced the tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum. of course we know big business steel is there. here is what the president had to say about the tariffs. >> i'm defending america's national security by placing tariffs on foreign i imports of steel and aluminum. we'll have a 25% tariff on foreign steel. and a 10% tariff on foreign aluminum. >> so is it good for pennsylvania? >> well there is no doubt that there's been several countries that have been dumping their excess capacity in this country in violation of our trade agreements. and it is costing jobs here in the domestic steel industry. one thing we don't want to lose is our ability to make steel here in this country. we don't want to be dependent on other countries. the dell is always in the details. we're not interested in punishing our allies who aren't

cheating but we'd like to see the president take a more targeted approach that centers in on countries that have not been playing by the rules and bring them into compliance. i've testified in front of the international trade commission way too many times only to see we get relief in one area and then they cheat in another. it is like playing a game of whack a mole with some countries. we want to see it stop. so we're waiting to see the details of this agreement before we pass final judgment on it. >> yeah. no one is wanting to see the details more than the people we just saw there in that video with the president. the workers. and the united steel workers releasing a statement following the president's announcement. "for decades the usw has fought foreign unfair and predatory trade practices." so whether these tariffs mean more jobs, more business for american steel workers? and how does this come into play with a trade war that isn't been

seen? >> what our steel workers wants is fair trade. we're not afraid to have trade with other countries. by just want a level playing field. we produce an ounce of steel more efficiently than any country in the world. but you can't compete with countries that are cheating, that have excess capacity and then they dump the steel over here below the cost of production. that is in violation of our trade laws. if we're going to trade with these countries we want a level playing field. if we have that, we'll compete with the other countries around the world when it comes to making steel. and that's what steel workers are asking for. and that is what we want to see a targeted approach to this so that we're not punishing our allies that are playing by the rules, but rather to target those countries that aren't. >> all right. sir. we'll soon know who will join you in congress after tuesday. congressman mike doyle, thank you. >> thank you. >> a wild week for former trump campaign aide sam none berg after vowing not to appear before the grj.

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is going to jail, sam? >> they are not going to send know jail. you know what mr. mueller if he wants to send me the jail, he can send me to jail. and then i'll laugh about it. and i'll make a bigger spectacle than i am on your tv show right now. >> okay. that was sam nunberg earlier this week ari melber vowing not to --. the former trump campaign aide had quite a week as he made the rounds on cable news. >> are you worried about getting arrested? >> i i think it would be funny if they arrested me. >> so carter paige was colluding with the russians. >> yeah i believe he was colluding with the russians. >> do you think they have smo something on the president? >> i think they may. but i don't know that. >> all that leading to this. yesterday nunberg walked into a federal courthouse and testified for six hours before robert

mueller's grand jury. the day after nunberg is talking about what many people are calling the melt down. >> people say i had a melt down on tv. i melted tv down that day. i wanted to show what this independent council, this independent investigation me no rough, daley beast political report and also navid double eighth for the fbi and msnbc contributor. >> betsy let's start with you. he didn't have a meltdown on tv but rather he melted tv. is that the only thing he could have said. >> i think both of those things are probably true at the same time. the important thing to remember with sam nunberg is that he has long had a close relationship with most doctor dsh or significant portion of the reporters who covered the trump campaign. he loves the media. he appreciates journalism in a weird way, a way that many trump confidantes don't. part of the reason i think

nunberg enmeshed himself among so many powerful d.c. media figures is because unlike many people in the trump orbit in the white house, he understands trump on kind of a gut level. one of the claims that sam made during his media blitz on monday was that he was the one who came up with the idea of having trump build a wall on the southern border, and also with the idea of a muslim ban. i have reason to believe that's true. that sam is the embodiment of president trump's id. if you want to understand trump, pay attention to sam andway he does, how he frames things. that's part of the reason i think his monday performance got so much attention from every media platform. >> let's talk about his interview today. this morning let's listen to that and talk about what he said. >> do you think it's a witch hunt. >> no i don't think it's a witch hunt. there is a lot there there. and that's a sad truth. >> all right.

navid, listen to what he said. it doesn't lead to the president. two questions. who mietd it lead to? and what is the there there he is talking about? >> well, this is a man who went in and said i think they have something on the president cart carter page colluded with the russians. there is a question what does mueller have on the president and where nunberg fits in. i think betsy is right, he is someone that graph tats and loves the spotlight of the media. i don't know that nunberg will shed much light on either of the first questions. he also said he didn't have communication with carter page. so, look, i think the footnote that is here, the question that he has, he fits in the investigation, is the question about romaner stone and wikileaks. how did they get this information and how did sam know in advance. >> i think mueller know base in and he is looking at nunberg at a secondary witness to shed light on this.

but not sure that he would have direct knowledge of collusion or conspiracy with the russians >> i want your take on that too given the six hours of questions where is mueller going. he talked about that nunberg did, a little bit more about that testimony. >> i think there a long time and they have a lot of questions. did i ever hear russian spoken in the office? and then they asked about why did president trump support putin in syria? >> so betsy, do you think say same there as navid where do you think mueller is going with his investigation with what he got from nunberg. >> i think he is right, i don't think nunberg has any legal jeopardy. he would have of course if he defied mueller. but clearly cooler heads prevailed when it came to him making important legal decisions. i think sort of the big take away from the fascinating nunberg saga of course is that mueller is looking at roger stone. and that he is very interested as navid pointed out in all the

potential communications between people adjacent to the trump campaign. remember stone wasn't a stach staffer for the bulk of the kban. and people jason to the kremlin, particularly wikileaks, which mike pompeo, the cia director has characterized as a hostile foreign intelligence service. that nexus the is sniff. he be putting a list of hackers who targeted the dnc or john pods sta. >> those are two of the dramatic crimes committed over the course of the campaign. it would be likely that mueller would put forward some investigation as how that happened. >> anybody in the top of your list who is going to be subpoenaed next, navid? >> that's a good question, i have to say with eric prince, that seems to be -- there is probably more there with the seychelles meeting.

what we're seeing, francis is a pattern of the russians attempting to make contact, which in and of itself is not illegal. the one thing we haven't heard from any of the people the russians reached out to is none of the americans went to the fbi and said here is what just happened. they sat with them and that's a clear message to russians to further on the relationship. injury there is more people coming out. >> bets request, any big name. >> one more than thing is if mueller works with foreign government, if there are reports of officials from united arab emirates wush turkey. it hasn't happen yet that we know of it's a big thing to keep an eye on. >> i wanted to ask you about steve bannon in france and what he had to say about that. we tone have the time. wish we. we'll talk about that another time. thank you. >> sure thing. >> coming up in the no objection hour we wait president trump's arrival in pennsylvania where he will take the stage ahead of a

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good to be with you this afternoon. i'm frances river aire at msnbc headquarters in new york. here is the latest at this hour. president trump heads to pennsylvania at any moment where he will take the stage at a campaign style rally ahead of the tuesday special congressional election. it's a race that could have major implications as democrats

look to flip a reliable red district. the stormy daniels saga intensifies. we'll tell you what the attorney is saying about the possibility of the adult film address finally speaking out. as robert mueller poised to make a deal with the president's legal team that could bring a swift end to the russia investigation. we'll difficult into newspaper report. and the historic meeting with kim jong un we'll have the latest on what the president and his staff are saying. we begin this-mile-an-hour in western if a where president trump is set to appear at that campaign rally in two hours. his appearance an effort to boost the candidacy of republican rick saccone ahead of the congressional election. the race is being seen as a referendum on president himself. the district is in the heart of trump country. and it's also steel country. this week's announcement on tariffs on steel and aluminum is being seen as an effort to appeal to blue collar voters. a recent surge in polling for demo