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>> when i was in china, and other places, by the way, i said, mr. president, do you have a drug problem? no, no, no. i said, what do you attribute that to? well, the death penalty. so i don't know that the united states frankly is ready for it. they should be ready for it. but at a minimum, you have to give long, tough sentences. >> long, tough sentences. are we ready to give the death penalty to drug dealers? i mean, where are we going here? this is not just the musings of an old billionaire out of touch. this is the president who is nominating and stacking federal courts with judges and federal prosecutors and supreme court seats as they become available. don't take lightly where he's

going and where he's going to take the nation. joining me now is former governor of pennsylvania, ed rendere rende rendell, who is also the former chairman of the dnc and a conservative commentator who has worked on presidential campaigns of gingrich, romney and carson. let me go to you first, governor. he's in pennsylvania, he being president trump. he's talking about his tariffs and how they're going to bring jobs, steel workers there. he's even flirting with the idea of death penalty for drug dealers. i mean, are we really, really seeing this country go that far off the rails from where president obama had where he was commuting low-level drug offenders that were nonviolent to where we're now openly flirting with executing them and we're putting tabs on countri--n

countries that could cause a trade war? where are we going here? >> i think we're seeing a president that is becoming inincreasingly unhinged. we all know that most drug addicts that get arrested are addicts themselves and they're dealing just to pay for their own drugs. they're not big-level distribute to tors and no one says big-level distributors who deliver them on our streets shouldn't be locked up. they should. but this has been a disaster for the criminal justice system, and everybody knows that. conservatives know it, liberals know it, former prosecutors like myself, we understand it. it didn't work and it won't work. it's made new york state a disaster and federal prosecutors know this. so he's unhinged about that.

the tariffs. look, if a country is deliberately dumping product in here at a lower price than it sells it in other areas to drive our businesses out of business, then yes, let's take sanctions against the wrongdoer. but here he comes up with worldwide sanctions against our allies, against people that we have a balance of trade surplus on our side. it's ridiculous. he's totally unhinged. even the republicans, even paul ryan and mitch mcconnell who are loathe to criticize this guy, they won't criticize him for any racist or ridiculous statement he makes. even they have spoken out against him. >> and you know, michael, talking about racist and ridiculous, let's be separate up about this. isn't there a racial implication here when you're talking about executing drug dealers given the ratio of data and who is arrested for drug dealing and who is not? and i can't help but think of

how almost three decades ago, i marched on donald trump who was calling for the execution of five people who were accused of a central park jogger raping that was grotesque and despicable, but they ended up not being the guys. supposedly they have been executed. he always goes there. and there are racial implications here. >> well, you know, reverend sharpton, thank you for having me on your show this morning. we know for a fact that african-americans are disproportionately impacted in the criminal justice system, starting all the way back to the '90s crime bill which we have since tried to correct. toward the end of president obama's term, you saw organizations working with him, as well as remt tifz of tpresen the koch foundation who were trying to decrease sentences for

individuals who didn't vindicate large crimes. instead of penalizing people to that extent, the amount of money you would spend per individual, you could spend that money on economic opportunities, providing relationships to provide trade skills, et cetera, for those individuals to actually learn the skills necessary so they could be actually contributing members of society. i think that would be a more proactive approach. if i could also respond quickly to the tariffs thing. i think the president's message has been china, right? target china. so if you're going to target china, you should have a specific tariff target, meaning we should increase our efforts in asia pacific, we should increase our efforts in china where they are trying to increase their role, and we should also increase our efforts in africa. i think if the president wants to go the right direction, he needs to take advice from his staff that are trying to get him in sync in things that would be

best for the economy. >> increasing efforts in china and the countries he referred to. let me ask you this, governor. you've not only been governor of pennsylvania, you've chaired the national democratic party. the president goes in. it's a special election this tuesday. they're saying the republican candidate doesn't look well even though trump won the district, i think, by over 30 points. that's why the president goes in, and he spends most of his speech talking about him. me, me, me, me. not helping the candidate, not talking about why the candidate should get through. me, me, me, me. this president's narcissism is actually a political liability to his own allies, governor. >> he can't help himself, rev. he can't help himself, he always makes it about himself.

the only thing they did by bringing the president in, and it's their strategy, their last gasp, their hail mary, is to try to nationalize the race. that's why he brought up nancy pelosi. even though they said he would not vote for nancy pelosi for speaker, he would vote for some other democrat. but they're trying to get people to forget about our candidate lamm, who has been a terrific candidate, or by their own assessment, a lousy candidate. trump carried the campaign by 20 points, rev. lamm may lose closely or by a lot. let's say he loses by three points. that means democrats gain 17 points. and in 18 special elections this year, in 17 of the 18, democrats did better than hillary clinton, significantly better than hillary clinton did in 2016, and

in the 18th, although hillary clinton did better than our democratic candidate, we flipped that district -- it was in connecticut -- and there hasn't been a democrat in 16 years. so this all is a great sign for us when in '18 everybody is up for election. in swing districts and whatever. so i think they have reason to be worried. i think the president didn't help last night. he may have gotten a few people on his side, but he sure as heck delivered a message to our folks that they better get out and vote. >> he may have energized the opposition. michael, you're a republican, you're an african-american. but you've taken positions that disagree with this president. is it not a problem for you and other black republicans that this president has -- we're almost a month away. we're a little closer than a month away.

the 50th anniversary of the assassination of dr. martin luther king. civil rights activist, dr. king's movement, all of which he helped to put through. would his voter fraud campaign of what he's doing in terms of rolling back on criminal justice reform, police reform, he's undoing the king dream and he has not really put into position black republicans like you on the west wing that says this is my person that is working on an agenda for black america, which he promised. i mean, where is his robert brown that nixon had? where is his arthur fletcher? don't you black republicans feel like you have been abused, misused, ignored, marginalized? >> look, i think there are a lot of african-americans, reverend sharpton, who aren't necessarily

a part of the conversation. i know several who are, indeed, making efforts so that they can be a voice for -- >> do you have a point person for black america that's republican on the west wing of the white house? >> no, no, there isn't one. the last black african-american that was in the west wing in this administration was omarosa. now that she's gone, to my knowledge, i don't believe there is any. reverend sharpton, let me make this clear. yes, i am a conservative, right? but my conservatism -- the way i interpret conservatism is through the eyes of an african-american. i can change my political party but i cannot change those experiences. so when it comes to issues such as criminal justice reform, when it comes to issues such as policing, et cetera, those are important to me because i do recognize how they proportion proportionally impact my community. now, that may be different from

how people on the other side want to correct him, but i think it's particularly conservatives of color continue to target and force this administration to address our concerns because they currently are not. so i completely understand why many african-americans feel marginalized under this administration. and if that does not change, the republican party will have an extremely difficult time, if not an impossible time, of targeting african-americans and people of color. >> that's great to hear you say that. i also, as the governor, continue to be conservative. i'm trying to conserve the voting rights act, i'm trying to conserve the civil rights act, i'm trying to conserve president obama's civil reform. >> one thing we haven't mentioned is his attack on maxine waters last night calling her a low-life intellect. >> we saw visual attacks on

maxine waters and oprah. there are racial implications there, governor. >> i've been in contact with maxine waters many times. she knows her stuff, and she'll cut you to ribbons. she is no low-level intellect by any stretch of the imagination. >> for a man who doesn't read books, i don't think he ought to talk about people's intellect. thank you, governor rendell, sir michael singleton. coming up, al qaeda, isis, boca raton. now our governor says the nra should be right there with them. i'll explain, next.

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the nra remains on the defensive, continuing to lash out at the increased scrutiny has faced since the shooting at stoneman douglas. but also springing to its defense are conservative lawmakers in florida who have joined counterparts in georgia, pushing actual legislation that would punish companies for cutting ties with what is supposed to be a nonprofit. earlier this week, democratic connecticut governor daniel malloy, who was in office when six adults and 20 children were

shot to death at sandy hook elementary school in 2012, made precisely this point. comparing the nra's grip on our politics to that of, quote, a terrorist organization. joining me now is the governor of connecticut, daniel malloy. thank you, governor, for being with me. you know -- >> good to be with you. >> my home base is new york, so we certainly know a lot about what's going on in our neighbor state, connecticut. and you are not one given to a lot of hyperbole, you're very even thoughtful. why would you make a statement that some could consider provocative? >> what i said is they could be considered a terror organization. if you go to the dictionary, merriam-webster in particular,

it is a fear to coerce. that's what the terror organizations do. i'm not saying the nra went out and purposely pulled the trigger on any of these mass shootings, but they certainly made it a lot easier for those kinds of things to happen in our country. you referenced sandy hook. the federal government hasn't done a thing since then. >> right. >> they can't even bar terrorists from buying guns in this country because the nra opposes that. we have a no-fly list, but the people on that list can buy guns in america. how does that make any sense? al qaeda actually tells people about that in america. they say if you're on our side, you know, use that loophole and commit mayhem. how does that make any sense? the nra has existed from 1871 to 1977 is a very different kor organization than the organization that has existed since '77 when it was basically

taken over by the most radical elements who actually believe every gun sold is good for society, regardless of who it goes to. we should measure ourselves by how many guns we have, not by how many children we lose. >> now, governor, this comment came from this whole discussion. the nra has actually pressured state lawmakers in florida and georgia to punish companies that say they no longer want to give bonuses or whatever with the nra. i mean, literally threatening lawmakers with their politics in terms of being able to influence their members' votes or their donations at a time that the nation is dealing with consistent mass murders. this is unbelievable, governor. >> so what you're saying is they use fear to get what they want? well, that's my point, isn't it? the reality is they spent $30 million to elect this president.

this president said a couple of things that might move the dial ever so slightly on gun safety, and what did they do, they pulled the leash back? within hours he had changed his position. in fact, chris cox, one of their lobbyists, went out and tweeted how they got the president back. the number of senators they control. just over a year ago, the senate voted to prohibit the social security administration from sharing data about people's mental health, so we're paying people because they're disabled because of mental health problems, but they can't share that data with anyone to make sure that we keep those individuals, their families and their communities safe. >> i remember after sandy hook, there were gatherings all over connecticut. i even came to one or two that you and i both spoke. dealing with this is almost unbelievable. the federal government has done nothing, i mean zero, since

sandy hook. but also i remember the connecticut state legislature and you actually cut, i think, by 20% some of the mental health work at that time, saying this is about guns, not just mental health. explain that. >> no, we actually spend more money on mental health, and particularly connected with the opioid epidemic that has affected our country. but this is what we did do. we banned the sale of certain types of weapons. we made every weapon and every ammunition purchase subject to having a permit for the ownership or the possession or the purchase. you know, since we enacted bipartisan common-sense gun safety legislation in our state, we have developed violent crime by more than any other state in the nation over the last four years by a significant percentage. our death rate per 100,000 as a result of guns is 4.6. if you go town to alabama or

alaska, it's 23 per 100,000. you can make your state safer. new york has done it, new jersey has done it, california has done it, washington has done it, oregon has done it, massachusetts and rhode island have done it, and yet you can make your state far more dangerous. and quite frankly, that's what the nra advocates. they advocate for more danger in your state if you haven't passed commonsense gun legislation. 97% of americans believe that we should have universal background checks. the nra once believed it and publicized it themselves. yet in congress we can't get universal background checks, the number one thing we could do to make ourselves safer. 74% of nra members want universal background checks but their leadership won't allow it to happen, and they use fear to get their way. >> what is the rationale that the leaders.

n -- the leaders come up with that they don't want background checks even though 70% of their members want it? >> they want to sell more guns. this is not the nra that gave out certificates to boy scouts when they learned how to fire a long rifle. it's not that kind of organization anymore. yeah, they may do that, but that's not their primary mission. their primary mission is to make sure we don't have safe gun technology in our country. that if a gun doesn't work properly, you can't sue the company. or if somebody purposely sells a gun to somebody with mental illness, you can't have redress. that's what this organization is. it is a protection society for gun manufacturers flying under the guise of protecting individual rights. children have a right to be safe in schools. we should be able to go to a movie theater without worrying about whether somebody has a long gun and can kill us all. churches should be led by ministers, not by the guy in front with a rifle. we could do this time after

time. orlando. you know, we talk about florida and what they've done, and they've done a little bit and i congratulate them for what they've done, but they haven't taken on the big, big issue of these guns themselves. but they did nothing after orlando. was it because those people were gay and black and brown, primarily? could they ignore it because it wasn't a school? we have to look ourselves as americans in the mirror and say, what could we do to make our children and grandchildren safer? and then we have to have the gumption to do it even if the organization is against it. >> thank you, governor malloy. if supporting the march for our lives rally taking place on march 24th in washington, d.c. along with sister rallies around the country. please go to the march. still ahead, once a former three-star general now going broke? i'll explain next. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job

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time for this week's gotcha. just three months after pleading guilty to lying to the fbi about his contact with russian officials, we learn that former trump adviser and retired army

general michael flynn is selling his $835,000 house in the washington suburb of alexandria to help pay mounting legal costs as he complies with special counsel robert mueller's investigation. flynn has meanwhile left the washington area. his financial situation allegedly deteriorated to the point that his family is soliciting donations for his legal defense. i don't like to kick people when they're down, folks, but flynn is emblematic of this white house. a once respected professional who chose proximity to power over principle and is now tainted, if not ruined, because of it. and his history of racist and reactionary statements and you had a perfect fit for this

administration. but he was only one of dozens of trump staffers, some of them wealthy, most not enough to pay for a-list lawyers. to jump ship as the mueller investigation tightened the noose. and even if every staffer under investigation evades prison time, they might not escape going broke. paying legal fees that are like chump change to their former boss, a 71-year-old billionaire who has been lawyered up all his professional life. so the moral to this story? don't sell your soul. no good ever comes of it. but if you do, try to get more than 835 gs. lawyers are expensive. speaking of gs, mr. flynn, i gotcha.

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earlier this week we celebrated international women's day. and it cannot be understated that women, especially women of color, have been the drivers of the resistance to the trump white house. however, black and latino women continue to be underrepresented in statewide and national offices. and this week compton,

california's popular mayor asia brown, the youngest in the city's history, and is first woman executive, announced she was running for the u.s. house in her home district against incumbent nanette barrigan. conservative fox contributor stacy dash recently announced candidacy was the catalyst that got brown in the race, she says. we invited all three women to come on the show. two have agreed. we start with incumbent congresswoman annette diaz barrigan. thank you for being on, congresswoman. >> thank you for having me. >> let me go to you. you're an incumbent congresswoman. you've worked with the african-american and latino community and whites in your district. don't you think if you're in a contentious primary battle that

it threatens the coalition needed between blacks and browns, particularly in california, that is particularly under threat by some of the right wing republicans that would like to see a contingent primary and then the ufc goes from democratic to recommend can? >> let me tell you, i know the voters in my district, they are very democratic. it's overwhelmingly democratic. they're going to reject trump politics, they're going to reject somebody who is a trump supporter, and somebody who is completely out of touch with this district. you know, this is one where people are living below the poverty line, it's communities of color, and it's one that this president has been attacking from day one. and i've been standing up to this president, trying to speak up and speak out and be loud, making sure to fight for them because it's unacceptable what

is happening in this white house. >> now, a false claim the president made in his speech last night was about women who voted for him in 2016. listen to this, congresswoman. >> didn't we surprise them with women during the election? remember? women won't like donald trump. i said, have i really had that kind of a problem? i don't think so. but women won't like donald trump. it will be a rough night for donald trump because the women won't come out. we got 52%, right? 52. right? and i'm running against a woman. >> the problem that 52% number is from white women. trump conveniently dismissed women of color who voted, congresswoman. >> that's correct. this is a president that, frankly, we just can't trust anything he says. and again he showed that last

night, distorting numbers. this is a president who has been attacking women, who has been attacking just about every community, including immigrants, which is why i'm proud to serve as the congresswoman in this district who is a woman of color, who myself and the daughter of immigrants from mexico standing up to this president. you know, i'm one of 66 democrats who voted to continue to have a debate on impeachment for this president. and i think that's what we need, strong leadership in congress, something i've been doing for the last 14 months and something i hope to continue to do. >> all right, congresswoman, thank you for being with us very much. now with us is compton, california mayor congressional candidate asia brown. thank you for being with us, madam mayor. >> thanks for having me, reverend sharpton. >> you're a popular mayor, but you've heard the charge. the republicans are very low registered -- part of the

registered voters in the district. you're really challenging the republican congresswoman who was just on, and you're blaming it on stacy dash but she really can't win this thing. this is really about your ambition. why are you running? >> well, "the times noo" releas information just a couple days ago that 40% of voters that turn out are republican. i have served my community, confidence in the heart of my district, and all of my opponents in this race, they have actually declared from outside the city. i actually live here. when we think about taking the republican desire to flip this seat for granted, i think that is naive. we can't ignore 2016 where most people thought president trump would not be elected. we can't negate that . in 2003 the former governor was a republican in a blue state, so i don't subscribe to the notion

that this seat belongs to any one candidate or to the congresswoman, it belongs to the people in the 45 districts, and i'm running to represent the people that i serve with, that i live with, that i continue to serve day in and day out for the last five years. >> i was one that never thought trump could win, so i can take that admonition from you. talking about ms. dash, here's what ms. dash, the republican candidate, had to tell my friend ari melber thursday about her plans for obamacare replacement. >> should obamacare be fully repealed? >> yes. >> what happens, in your view, to people who lose health insurance? >> of course there will be another solution, but obamacare is not working. we know that. >> what is the other solution? >> well, that's where i'm going to go and listen and pay attention and have a dialogue to come up with a solution. >> i have to do this with all

candidates, you won't tell us yet what the solution is? >> no. >> so she wants to get rid of obamacare but she doesn't have a solution. she wants to get elected. she'll go listen and then come up with a solution? >> at the end of the day, it has been the republicans' agenda to continue to repeal and replace, as they say, instead of improve and continue to improve a policy that has worked. president obama's administration has rolled out obamacare. it has proven to be successful. more people are using it, and i believe there is always room for improvement for any policy, but it's something that has to be a long-term commitment. we have to always remember that people need health care. health care is a right. and we have a responsibility to provide affordable health care to our constituents. >> well, i think that it's going to be very interesting. let me ask you about immigration. the incumbent congresswoman, daughter of immigrants, it's a

real issue that this president has exploited. how do you deal with it in your district? how do you deal with it as mayor of compton? >> reverend sharpton, i'm in the trenches working with my community. immigration is a factor, and i've seen the impact of the trump administration. people are afraid to come out of their homes. i've worked with local organizations to provide relief to families that are going through the process for daca that need to have access to all of the resources for our dreamers. i've worked with the front lines. i know what my constituents need. i work with my community. i'm there every single day. i understand the impact of uncertainty has had on our communities and our families, so obviously i support immigration, i support dreamers, i support daca. i believe that it's not even about immigration rights, it's human rights. >> thank you very much, mayor brown. >> thank you. up next, politics in sports. athletes using their celebrity to draw attention to problems in

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the players' protests that rocked the nfl in 2017. and in the nba, players like lebron james and duwayne wade have taken flak from conservatives for their political statements. their unwillingness to separate their voices from their platforms as athletes. joining me now is former nba player eton thomas who recently interviewed dozens of athletes, executives and media figures for his new book "we matter" on the intersection between sport and politics. etan, i've seen you all over the country at rallies and protests raising issues, so you're not one that's a drive-by kind of observer here, you've been in the trenches and you've talked to people of all ilks for this

book in the thorough, meticulous way that you operate for those of us who know you. what will you conclude? are we going to continue to see activism increase in sports or athletics, or is it just some kind of season we're going through that will dissipate? >> well, first of all, thank you for having me on your show. much respect to you. the way we deal with activism is to really delve into this topic of activism and this recent resurgence of activism by athletes kind of across the board. i want to start off, really, with the history of activism, so i want to interview some of the people who i grew up admiring, like kareem abdul-jabar and bill russell and dr. harry edwards. we talked about what pushed them to be able to have the courage to be able to stand up for what they believe in back in the '60s. then i wanted to talk to the

current athletes right now like carmelo anthony, duwayne wade and talk to them about activism right now and what is the cause of this resurgence really put it into perspective. a lot of times after kaepernick took his knee, the resurgence of the -- etalked to kaepernick's teammates, and we're talking about specifically what kaepernick laid out of his reasons for making a knee. >> and a lot of that was lost because as you said, a lot of the narrative was hijacked away from the specific issues. and i guess that's my question to you and i think the significance of your book is are we going to see these protests and stands continue and not lose

the narrative of what they are about, so in effect, it really helps the people that they're concerned about. >> definitely. you know, the reason why is because it's not about what the narrative that was created. it's a much bigger issue. specifically what kaepernick pointed out does the police brutali brutality and i'm talking to dwyane wade and he's talking from a personal stand point and watching trayvon martin getting killed. and speaking out after he had seen that because he thought about his sons. and russell westbrook, of why he chose to speak out after terrance was killed in

california. >> i mean i was there at rallies and you showed up because that's where you're from. >> that's where i'm from. i went to high school with tiffany crutcher, who was the sister of terrance crutcher. and i interviewed eed the fami members of the victims. so i interviewed tiffany crutcher, who is terrance crutcher's sister. and eli za castile. and talked to them to stand up and tell story on behalf.

j jahvaris fulton, when it first happened, there was a few people who wanted to cover it. none of the local news people wanted to cover the story, he said the family was trying to get it out and have somebody cover the story and they didn't want to. they said it is just another young black man who was murdered, it wasn't really news worthy. but after dwyane wade to pose in that iconic photo, wearing their hoodies, really in representation, like showing the world this is not right what happened to trayvon martin. that's just the power of athletes using their voice, but that's what i wanted to not only promote but encourage future athletes to continue the same

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doctor king movement going in the north and around the country since 50 years ago last month he was killed. but a large part of the story the young writer greg howard wrote was talking about me and another new yorker donald trump about what we have dealt and stood for and against each other. you see, beyond all of the tabloid headlines and the salacious stories, my concern is everything that dr. king and others fought for, civil rights, voting rights, the rights of people of call sexual backgrounds and gender, to have their human rights protected is at risk with this president. don't forget he is appointing federal judges, he's appointing federal prosecutors, he's

appointing heads of agencies, he has the appointment power as supreme court seats become available, don't get so caught up in his salacious gossip, tinged presidential aside, we are forgetting that he's in many ways dismantling everything from king to obama in very concrete ways, keep your eye on the prize and know we fought too long and suffered too much to get some of these things, blacks, latinos, progressive whites, lgbtq, all of us fought together, don. that does it for me, thanks for watching, and to keep the conversation going, like us at facebook.com/politics nation. and follow us on twitter

@politicssna @politicsnation. i'll see you next sunday. we'll see you again soon. meantime, very good morning to all of you, i'm alex witt, we're approach, 9:00 a.m. in the east and 6:00 in the west. a new move by mueller's legal team. when you put it together, it forms a very suspicious view of what actually happened. >> connecting the dots, new reaction to president trump's letter to vladimir putin in 2013 and how it fits with the president's actions in the oval office. rally cry, president trump reveals his 2020 campaign slogan, at an event meant to push a