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running in -- can you believe it? two years from now -- is going to be keep america great exclamation point. keep america great. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." coming to you live from austin, texas, where we're attending the south by southwest festival. last night donald trump managed to turn a rally for republican house candidate rick saccone into a 2020 trump campaign rally and a chance to revise his presidential history, all 414 days of it, and to set a new, as yet, unprecedented bar for unsettling, bizarre behavior in office. >> remember i used to say how easy it is to be presidential, but you'd all be out of here right now. you'd be so bored. i was joking. i said, ha, president for life, that sounds good. maybe we'll have to try it. >> when i was in china, and

other places by the way, i said, mr. president, do you have a drug problem? no, no, no. i said what do you attribute that to? well, the dealt penalty. i'd love oprah to win. i'd love to beat oprah. i love her weakness. >> that went on for an hour and 15 minutes because apparently that's how long it takes to threaten drug dealers with the death penalty, take personal credit for the olympics, make a public mockery of the presidency of the united states and hurl insults like this one. >> and maxine waters, a very low iq individual -- you ever see her? you ever see her? we will impeach him. we will impeach the president. but he hasn't done anything wrong. it doesn't matter. we will impeach him. she's a low iq individual. >> we thought congress maxine

waters deserved a chance to respond. he joins me now by phone. congresswoman, good morning and happy sunday to you. i'm sorry -- i hate to always be reaching out to you in circumstances where we're discussing insults against you by the president of the united states. but your response to this display that included a reference to your intelligence last night. >> well, this is typical of him. he has expert at name calling. i understand in addition to continuing his name calling of me referring to my iq and calling me low iq, that he continued to attack elizabeth warren, nancy pelosi, made made some reference to oprah winfrey, on and on and on, and it seems he's identifying and picking up more and more women that he's

attacking. again, i expected this, though. this is not only typical of him. this is what this con man does. he diverts attention from himself by attacking others, but this business about stormy is not going to go away. he can call us all the names that he wants to call us, but, you know, our special counsel, mueller, is connecting the dots, and last night in a speech i said, if for some reason mueller does not get him, stormy will. so we know that this is going to go on. i'm not going to run from it. i'm not intimidated by him. so he can keep calling names. i've got plenty for him. as a matter of fact, everybody knows he's a con man. he's been a con man all of his life, long before he ever ran for office. so this con man, con man don, is

going to keep it up. he's coming for me. i'm coming for him. >> congresswoman, as i'm listening to you and watching the images of donald trump, of him walking around that stage and the people behind him just in rap tour, jumping up and down, hooting and hollering while he's hurling insults, as you said, primarily at women, but at elected officials, people who are duly elected representative in government, the article 1 power in the united states. i'm conscious that people around the world that can see this. this is not video just playing in the united states. the whole world is watching this display, not just of donald trump, but of american. are you concerned that this is what the world thinks of us now? >> i've been concerned about this presidency. it's quite unfortunate, and i think you're absolutely right,

people around the world are wondering what happened in america. we have been held, for the most part, in high esteem, even when there were world leaders or others that did not agree with us, they respected the united states of america. they respected the presidency. he certainly is not to be respected. again, they're wondering what happened to us, and it's unfortunate that he's got those kind of followers. he's about division, and he's about dog whistling, he's about dividing the various ethnic groups in this country. he is so unfortunate for us. it's going to keep up. it's not going to stop. this man has not only defined himself very clearly, letting everybody know that again he likes the kind of leaders that are basically dictators, and

that's what he wants to be. but he'll never be more than a con man. this business about talking about liking the idea that a president can be a lifetimer is something that i think people know that this is how he thinks. we've got to get rid of him. i'm not going to stop saying impeach him. i believe he should be impeached. i think we're on the road to it. i think it's possible, and i'm going to keep going after him, also. >> congresswoman maxine waters, representative of the great state of california. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you for calling. >> all right. let's bring in our panel. former breitbart media consultant kurt bar della, dana milbank, e.j. dionne and jennifer rubin. e.j., i'm e going to start with you. this display, not just trump but

the people around him, the jumping up and down and hollering and hooting and enjoying this pretty embarrassing display that an american president is putting on, what does that do to us? donald trump is entertaining those people in that room, but what does that do to us? >> first of all, you've got to notice it was in moon township, pennsylvania, which seems weirdly appropriate for an event like that. by the way, when a president of the united states is taking advice on criminal justice from a chinese dictator who is essentially, as he said, ruled himself leader for life, that should disconcert us all. i think we've got to be clear there has always been a far right in america. you can fill rooms with people of those views. i think the question is do americans send a message to the world in, for example, the

election in pennsylvania this coming tuesday as they did in alabama, by voting for doug jones over roy moore? americans can send a message that, no, this isn't us, this is by no means a majority view in the country. and that's very, very clear in the polls that most americans reject trump and close to a majority are very strongly against him. nonetheless, the more trump does this, the know shin he brings down our image in the world, there's no question about that. >> jennifer rubin, i want to play the moment when donald trump, who just for context, led his hollering, hooting crowd there to boo the american media, the press. that's fine. a lot of people don't like the press. but here was his reaction to the idea of booing the dictator kim jong-un of north korea.

unbelievable. let's listen to that. >> south korea came to my office after having gone to north korea and seeing kim jong-un and -- no, it's very positive. after the meeting you may do that, but now we have to be very nice because let's see what happens, let's see what happens. >> jennifer, did you ever think you'd live to see the day when an american president would have more equanimity toward the dictator of north korea than toward his own free press? >> you know, if it weren't for kim jong-un and the autocratic leader of russia, vladimir putin, trump wouldn't like anyone in the world. but these two individuals and, of course, president xi of china, are definitely in his fan club. and he is a fan of theirs. this is why some of us are petrified about him getting in a room with kim, and hopefully

they'll figure out some barriers to throw up so that will never happen. trump is both easily flattered. he's an easy mark as many con men are, and completely ignorant. so when he meets with someone, he doesn't realize the implications simply of meeting with them. he doesn't have any concern, of course, for human rights, the atrocities of this regime where they've starved hundreds of millions of people, hundreds locked up in work camps where people are repressed and denied any kind of free expression. this is who he is, who he admires, and it is interesting, he says that the crowd would be bored if he was presidential. that is his highest aim, of course, to entertain a. it's not to be a good president, to be known as someone who did great things. it's to be entertaining. i would just say during the campaign i got called low iq

reporter as well. i'm very proud to be in maxine waters' company. >> dana, i think that's a good point. he talked about wanting to beat oprah and trying to egg her on. going after -- with more pejoratives against native americans, against elizabeth warren. there's a theme to his entertainment. it is ethnic, it's the he man women haters club, if you want to use a "little rascals" reference. it's a theme that the american president, not running right now, is still so interested in sectioning off pieces of america and says he only wants to lead this small part. he's content with that. as a matter of fact, he's gleeful about it. >> he is. in fairness, not only has he said jen ruben has a low iq and maxine waters has a low iq, he did go after his own secretary

of state who is a white male. i'm concerned about the president. he seems to be running out of insults and recycling them when he goes after low energy or low iq. he has to use them repeatedly over and over again or get more vulgar, as he did in the case of our colleague chuck todd, another white male. yes, of course, look at the background behind him there. he was bragging in his speech last night that he got 52% of the vote of women. that's not true. he got 52% of the vote of white women. perhaps those are the only ones that he's counting. that may have been a revealing freudian slip there. look, he gained the presidency by increasing dramatically the white vote, particularly the white male vote and the african-american vote, new immigrant groups were suppressed. if people turn out in their

proportion they are in america, the proportion they do in typical elections, you don't wind up with a donald trump in office. >> we'll play the chuck todd part later. let's play donald trump saying he got the majority of the votes of women. >> women won't like donald trump. i said, have i really had that kind of a problem? i don't think so. women won't like donald trump. it will be a rough night for donald trump because the women won't come out. we got 52%, right? 52. >> kurt, i'll go to you on this. donald trump lost the votes of the majority of women. hillary clinton got 54% of the votes of women. so he did not. when you do break it down by race as dana mentioned, donald trump get 53% of the votes of white women and lost every other category of women by a landslide. i'm struck by -- you worked for breitbart or consulted with breitbart for a while.

did people talk a lot about the race angle and aspect of the so-called alt right. there is an angle that's got an attitude toward women and toward feminism. there is that part of it as well. why do you suppose that that kind of attitudinal negativity toward women appeals to so many right wing women? in your experience, it wasn't as if breitbart was all guys reading it. >> right. again, i think you look at those numbers, and i think it reveals there's a segment of this population who believes in the role that women are somehow subservient to men, who believe men are superior, who believe the way the world order has been for so long, too long, is the way it should be. those are the women who vote for donald trump. it will be interesting to see how all these women who voted for trump last time, how they feel in the wake of the things -- like the stormy

daniels thing now. how do conservative women, values, christian women feel about the president of the united states having an affair with a porn star and trying to pay her off as hush money. all these things pay a large impact culturally and whether or not they'll be enthusiastic in coming out to vote for him. so much in the last election was not being thrilled with the idea of hillary clinton being the only alternative. that's not going to be the case in 2020. you'll see a difference in the way the female electorate votes. >> this was supposed to be a campaign rally for another guy, rick saccone. the polling right now on that, republicans, jennifer, are worried about it. conor lamb is at 42, rick saccone is at 45. that's within the margin of error. can we quickly play a sound bite of rick saccone? he didn't get to be a part of his own rally last night. this is how he sounds. >> in pennsylvania we're still

clinging to our guns and our bibles! >> there you go. >> we wonder why he wasn't given more time to speak at the rally. oh, my. yes, this is always about donald trump and all about donald trump, but there's a very important lesson here for democrats, and that is good candidates generally beat bad candidates and they have, and con no lamb, a very good candidate. he's well spoken, not running as a nancy pelosi democrat, very much in the tradition of blue dog democrats, he's a veteran. a good lesson for democrats who run everywhere, run quality candidates everywhere and you can probably beat people like rick saccone. >> and the fact that donald trump gave him a pejorative nickname i think gives you a sense of how worried republicans are. even though donald trump could barely talk about his own candidate. >> absolutely. conor lamb is not running on the

slogan from "the purge" which donald trump is. we'll get to this more later in the show. our guests will be back. his new slogan, keep america great. it's from "the purge." the man behind trump's unpopular trade policies stopped by "am joy" in 2016, and it was interesting, interesting. more on that after the break.

your steel is coming back. your steel is coming back. those plants are going to be opening, and what we've done with with the 25% tariffs for those guys that come in and dump their steel all over the place -- and by the way, it's not good steel. you know what i mean. it's crap. but your steel is coming back. it's all coming back. >> donald trump is really proud of his tariffs which pretty much no one else wanted except for trade hard liner and white house adviser peter navarro. now with gary cohn out as chief kpik adviser, trump is considering giving navarro his job. who is peter navarro and how scary is the idea of him running u.s. economic policy? well, just check out his last appearance on "am joy." >> i have one rule, i talk policy. no matter what you say, i will

talk policy and i want to encourage you -- >> let me ask you a question. this will be you and i talking. we'll have a conversation. if you want me to talk policy which is an intelligent thing for you to want me to do, don't you think your candidate should talk policy? just a yes or no. >> here is the hashtag trump policy, a hundred bucks to anyone at msnbc who can get through a segment without pivoting to anything but policy. >> offer that to your candidate. ghaef his speech. >> you made a choice. >> to listen to his speech -- >> instead of going to nafta, immigration, new ships for the navy -- >> that isn't what he talked about. >> well, joining me now is arthur laffers, back with us are dana milbank and e.j. dionne.

some of you were actually at that table. care careen, you were at the table for the attempted conversation with peter navarro. how surprised are you and how concerned are you that he may soon be running american economic policy? >> first of all, joy, i had no idea who he was before we did that panel. i really didn't know who peter navarro was. clearly after that performance, you learned he's like like a prickly -- that's what i learned from him. i actually didn't know who he was. it was one of those things, joy, where it was shocking while it was happening, but at the same time when you really deep down think about it, you're like, oh, yeah, of course, he's a trump supporter. of course he's talking like this. of course he's condescending, of

course he's offering a hundred bucks. >> to female panelists by the way. >> exactly. but you handled him wonderfully and made sure we never had to see him again on msnbc. >> yes, he was disinvited from the next segment, spoiler alert. arthur, i wonder if peter navarro is a respected figure in terms of conservative economists. he doesn't seem to be all that well known even outside of our world of talking politics. >> he's not that well known for sure. in california he's well known. he ran for the mayor of san diego. he ran for congress. he's a professor in irvine. he's well known in california, but not nationally, that's true. he's covered the range on trade. he wrote a book in the '90s that was all free trade. now he has specialized in this other area. i know him not well, but peripherally. he seems like a nice, pleasant person to me. i saw that segment. that was quite something.

>> it was something special. >> i don't think you'd offer $100 to any other panelist, art. e.j., you were there that day as well. some of the things people writing about peter navarro and his views, the associated press quotes stephen moore says he and trump -- navarro and trump agree on an america first policy when it comes to trade and other issues so he's emerged as a policy force in this administration. other than him being able to impress donald trump on tv, i'm not sure what that means about his own policy views. he, himself, said this is the president's vision and so my function really as an economist is to provide the underlying analytics that confirm his intuition. by the way, his intuition is always right. so i don't get it. >> go ahead, art. >> let me just say what i hope

they're talking about and what i this i they are is looking at the trade agreements in detail. i was very very involved with tpp. if you look at that, that deal is very poorly constructed. all the major protectionist issues have been taken off the table. we have non-tariff barriers off the table in japan. currency manipulation. i'd like to see these deals to make them truly free trade and balanced across the board. i hope that's what they're talking about as well. >> i don't think it is, e.j. >> i acceded to art on that, a, because i was trying to be polite and b, i still cringe watching that moment. i'm not shell shocked much on tv after all this time, but that one really got to me. i think trump loves it when people behave that way toward his opponents, and that works in his favor. but i think there are enough people around trump who will say, look, you are the only guy

who is supposed to behave that way. this guy will not sell any of your ideas very effectively. i think the probably with peter navarro, as mr. laffer pointed out, he's flip-flopped from a kind of libertarian position to this new america first position. so you just wonder will even donald trump realize this isn't the best way to defend my policies? >> it's interesting, dana, because you've got donald trump tweeting, from bush one to our present, accumulated trade deficits of more than $12 trillion. last year a trade deficit of almost $800 billion. he was president i believe at the time. we are out of tpp, but tpp still exists. it's just china is running it and we're not involved. donald trump has wrecked our international trade agreements with nothing to replace it. you're in washington, i'm not. have you heard some genius

policy to bring back 1950's era manufacturing coal and steel out of this white house? >> joy, i want to go on the record offering you $100 if you can come up with any reality-based evidence justifying anything peter navarro is proposing right now. look, i mean, you have trump saying steel jobs are coming back. that's a justification for doing this. it's so outlandish. even in the unlikely event that a new steel plant would be built, the reason we're losing steel jobs is because technology has made the industry so much more productive. there hasn't really been a surge in imports over decades. it's fundamentally other things going on in the business. so this may sound good when you're in moon township. it may give people who have lost their jobs in steel and coal and manufacturing a good feeling to say, let's blame the foreigners.

it's just not what's happening. so when you go and attack the foreigners, yes, you'll make steel more expensive, but steel jobs aren't coming back. >> really quickly, last word to you, art. isn't it the case, donald trump can't bring back the early 20th century economy, and meanwhile he's triggering retaliatory tariffs on our goods, on our steel and aluminum exports that are only going to hurt the economy in the u.s., including in the states where people voted for him. >> let me say two things, he has exempted a number of countries from the steel tariffs. >> which means they're meaningless. >> makes the tariff much less impactful and to my way of thinking, much less harmful. i'm from youngstown, ohio, a steel family all the way. ohio's economic policies make steel production in ohio, if you come to my new home state of tennessee, we're flourishing here, we have no income tax,

rapid economic growth, a surplus in our budget. it really is to a large extent the regulatory anti growth policies of states that have caused a lot of the traditional steel areas to be disastrously impacted. there's no curing that without going to the states themselves. >> i knew you'd get to taxes, art. >> how did we guess? >> of course i would. duh. >> how would we have guessed? >> i should have offered $100 for the first person to bring up taxes. arthur laffer, dana milbanki, thank you. immigrant rights activists are being targeted for deportation. more on that next. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. so why accept it from your allergy pills?

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i just got detained by i.c.e. i went to check in, went to court yesterday, i turned in my application and i have court december 14th. i went in today thinking that they were going to readjust my bond. they're retaliating against all activists, people who are out there fighting. >> all right. welcome back to "am joy." that video was recorded by virginia-based immigration rights activist alejandra pablos for what she believed would be a routine collect-in on a pending

deportation case. pablos is one of several immigration rights activists who have been targeted for deportation since donald trump took office. while i.c.e. denies targeting immigration activists, activists say the recent focus on the most critical of trump is an attempt to silence political dissent. joining me now is somebody who has been on the front lines in defense of those activists, reverent kaji doja. thank you so much for being here. in "the washington post" on january 19th i.c.e. denied that they are targeting activists. they're, quote, u.s. immigration and customs enforcement doesn't target aliens for arrests based on advocacy positions they hold or in retaliation for critical comments they make. any suggestion to the contrary is irresponsible, inaccurate.

according to a lawsuit filed, defendants have investigated, surveilled, harassed, raided, arrested, detained or even deported activists in order to silence them. the sharp spike in immigration enforcement targeting the most vocal. who is right? >> well, i will say that i.c.e. certainly isn't -- before i keep going, joy, i want to thank you forgiving us a chance to set the record state and talk about what's happening in this country. national attention to this is really important to get it to stop. so, of course, i.c.e. has been very clearly targeting our strongest activists, our most vocal critics of their work. what they're doing silencing and disappearing them. i think deportation is not a strong enough word for what happens to people when i.c.e. decides it's time for them to disappear and be quiet. i don't know about you, but i

had a different understanding ot the kind of country we live in. i thought we were supposed to be a place that welcomed the stranger. as a christian, a pastor, one of the first things that anybody claims christ -- so many are claiming this as a trissian nation. of course, what we're seeing is people are standing up and pushing activists and people coming here and criticizing this administration, criticizing the work of tearing apart families, criticizing how difficult it now is in a new way to live in this country and to serve and to work hard. as people step forward, i.c.e. is deciding no more, you have to leave. it's really unacceptable. >> to further a little more in this investigation of the intercept, this is in january, they're alleging that coalition members and these are immigration activists, unmarked cars with heavily intoed windows have begun surveilling churches

and homes. i.c.e. agents have repeatedly entered church property and interrogated people as they come and go from places of worship. have you seen that kind of activity? >> we absolutely have, joy. it's really disturbing. recently, on january 11th, someone who i have had the pleasure of working with for the past eight years was detained on a regular, routine check-in with immigrations and customs enforcement who determined him not to be a threat at all in 2008. revi is the leader of the new sanctuary coalition which i co-chair here in new york city. it's based at judson memorial church. just in the days leading up to his check in on january 11th, when we first heard a co-founder of this movement was detained and has even been deported, what

happened is we started to see these unmarked vehicles placed around the perimeter of jepsen church. members of the defense committee went out and saw that these unmarked vehicles were there and they knocked on the window and said who are you with. we saw department of homeland security license plates on the floor. they claim they weren't there for that. we believe they were coming to round up revi and quiet him because he's been getting much more press attention. we're seeing this happen across the country as they took jean for no reason. they claim they're taking people who are threats to society. but if they were threats, then i.c.e. wouldn't have them coming and checking in and released from detention for years. what has changed becomes the question? what's changed is they're starting to get more attention and i.c.e. is running scared. >> wow. i think a lot of people believe the isability of immigration

rights activists offer them some protection. this is alarming and scary because it means precisely the opposite. reverend kaji dousa, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. threatening government employees and members of the media including yours truly. espn's jemele hill joins me to talk about trumpism and professional sports. you don't want to miss it. ♪ you don't like my lasagna? no, it's good. -hmm. -oh. huh. [ both laugh ] here, blow. blow on it. you see it, right? is there a draft in here? i'm telling you, it's so easy to get home insurance on progressive.com. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents. but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto.

there's no more missiles going off and they want to denuclearize. nobody heart that. who knows? i may leave fast or we may sit down and make the greatest deal for the world and all of these countries including north korea. >> donald trump's wild speech last night is just one of many reasons to worry about what will happen if trump does meet face to face with kim jong-un. a high stakes meeting that the "new york times" says hoe agreed to after just 45 minutes of consideration. joining me now retired colonel

lawrence wilkerson. what do you make of the idea that donald trump apparently decided after just 45 minutes of consideration that he would grant the dictator in north korea something that the kims have been looking for 20 years from american presidents and heretofore not granted? >> at least 50 years and three kims. i was just up in new york in great neck with a jewish congregation up there led by a pillar of new york. this was the number one issue on their mind. what i told them was let's look back at history. this is nothing new. this it's probably new to donald trump because he doesn't do history. madelyn albright was in pyongyang in october of 2000. she met with the father of kim jong-un for over six hours, three hours of which was intense

negotiations. president clinton was then expected to go to pyongyang himself. then we had the hung chad election. supreme court determined george w. bush would be president. this is nothing new. the only thing new is that donald trump the tweeter in chief scarily enough is going to be the leader in pyongyang. >> the wall street journal writes -- okay. okay, trump said. cutting short the discussion. tell them i'll do it. the south korean officials looked at each other as in disbelief. give us the worst case scenarios of what could go wrong if somebody with that little depth

of thought before saying yes to a meeting sits down with someone like kim jong-un? >> the first thing that could go wrong is this meeting never happens and the obstreperous donald trump might be the reason it doesn't. the second thing is that this has been a strategic objective of the kims since the end of the korean ywar. look at the blessing that gives to the north korean state. they're sitting down with the president of the united states. that means that donald trump has to go prepared. he has to do a plan. he has to have diplomatic expertise. he has to have expertise around him. i will tell you right now that the outcome of a meeting with donald trump and kuim jong-un will mostly be in favor of kim jong-un and not donald trump. another strategic objective is to split the alliance between

south korea and the united states. going in one on one and having moon jae-in cooling his heels back in seoul and all the others is a recipe for disaster if you don't know what you're doing and you aren't capable of extraordinary diplomacy. i'll give you any amount of guesses as to how donald trump may come out of that. this is not business. this is the ultimate thing presidents do. i don't think this president is capable of it. >> in this administration that is not full of a-listers to be delicate about it, there are a couple of people who most people see as figures worthy of respect, jim mattis and hr mcmaster who is t.

they urged caution on this, according to the "new york times." and donald trump -- they said if you go ahead with this, there will be risks. trump brushed them off, i get it, he said. just like that in the course of 45 minutes he'd thrown aside caution. he's not listening to them now. in addition to that, this was donald trump last night. not only has he given the prestige to kim jong-un of saying he'd meet with him, but this is how he talked about north korea last night at his rally. >> south korea came to my office after having gone to north korea and seen kim jong-un and -- no. it's very positive. no. after the meeting you may do that, but now we have to be very nice. let's see what happens. >> not listening to his top people that he should be

listening to that have some expertise and saying boo the press but don't boo north korea. your thoughts? >> one, that i'm one who suggested that if we were going to do something dramatic and imaginative, i would go to pyongyang and sit down with kim jong-un. but i'm not donald trump. and donald trump is not me. so i'm frightened by the fact -- i'm worried by the fact that donald trump is not the person he thinks he is in terms of diplomacy and won't listen to these advisors and won't have a plan when he goes. that's the concern that i have. this is a dramatic overture that could change the atmosphere on the peninsula, but donald trump is not the man to take advantage of it. >> indeed. thank you very much.

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featuring dana loesh, who issued her warning that anyone who refuses to cower before the gun lobby would soon see the sands run out. as to clarify what happens to us when the sand in our little hour glass is drained, her web show comes on. the nra created that ad just five days before suffering a rare defeat in what's usually their most pickup truck producn the florida legislature passed a bill into law with gun restrictions in it and the governor signed it. the unprecedented rebuke of the nra is the result of the parkland shooting survivors who have become powerful activists leading a movement tagged never again and who along with their parents lobbied for the bill, unburdened by the abject fear of

the nra that normally dwrgrips politicians. the parkland students reacted to the video with the thing the nra should fear the most, ridicule. here's their parody ad. >> to every spokeswoman with an hour glass who uses their free speech to alter and undermine what our flag represents, to the politicians who would rather watch youth die than gets a assault rifles off the shelves, the manipulating lobbyists, to those who call high school students paid crisis actors and refuse to listen, your time is running out. the clock starts now. >> joining me now is minnesota state representative linda sl slokum, gabriel sherman, mayor andrew gillam of tallahassee.

thank you all for being here. you received death threats for introducing a bill restricting guns. tell us what was in your bill that so offended people that people felt they had to threaten your life. >> well, what was in the bill was registering all firearms and every single one from the pistols to the long guns to the semiautomatics to the assault weapons, every gun would be registered. you would have to go to the police department and get a permit to purchase a gun. wand th they would do a background check, they would check the mental health. i'm still working on that part of the law because of privacy issues. so i'm working on that part of the law still.

and you would go and then you could purchase once you got the permit to purchase. that would be at a gun show, that would be transfer and inheritance or from a gun shop. so very inclusive. >> and the reality -- go on. >> i also had ammunition that would be behind a counter and a person would have to show their permit and a picture id to purchase ammunition and they would have to sign out how much they were purchasing and how much they were purchasing would be limited. >> these sound like completely reasonable things. you've gone up against the nra. that's not to say that the nra had anything to do with the death threats, but there is within the nra this attitude that the way they should fight

against people trying to put in place gun reform is to threaten them in some way, to say your time is running out. fr a man we had on the show who lost his 14-year-old daughter to the parkland shooter has this response? >> here is dana loesh in the video talking to legislators who don't support her, members of the media who she called out by name. if this was put out by a terrorist organization, we would be raising the terror threat level in this country. why are we letting this lobby have anything to do in d.c.? i don't understand it! >> andrew, how much do led legislators fear not just the nra's money in terms of being able to lobby against them, but

actually their physical safety if they go up against people whose sole voting issue in life is having as many guns as they can get? >> well, i tell you first off all of us should be prepared to decry any threats of violence against any individual. i do hope that you wear it as a badge of honor that you were called out as one of those folks calling out the nra. our law here in florida n tallahassee, it wasn't even as courageous as the representative mentioned. it simply said you can't shoot guns in city parks. they took us to court. we got overloaded with e-mails from their members across the country. these are common sense things. you would even believe members of the nra would agree that if it's 21 to have a beer, what is so radical about having to be 21 before you can access a gun, an

ar-15 that can take out the lives of 17 or 49 individual? it's simply unreasonable. but it gives you a sense of how far they've been able to take this fight. many of the states, my state being ground zero for that fight, i tell you i beat them as a city councilman and i look forward to beating them for the great state of florida. >> it's one thing if the nra were putting out their constitutional argument for why they believe that teenagers should be able to buy an ar-15 and they do put out position papers and memos to the press. but the videos they make to try to go viral, to give themselves a part of the viral video conversation tend to look more like this. this is an ad called freedom's safest space.

>> they use their media to assassinate real news. they use their schools to teach children that their president is another hitler. they use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows to repeat their narrative over and over again. and then they use their expresident to endorse the resistance. the only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom is to fight this violence of lies with a clenched fist of truth. >> that's not even one of the worst ads. they have ads that invoke antifa. an activist on twitter said that video is basically the white equivalent of an isis recruitment video. how does the nra survive if

their tactics have become so extreme? >> that's a great question. obviously the defeat they suffered in florida which is one of the most hospitable states to unlimited gun rights is evidence of their waning power. what i'm struck by is how much of the rhetoric that comes out of the nra, how little of it actually has to do with the guns. the organization has basically morphed into this kind of paranoid, conspiracy minded fringe group that presents this distorted picture of reality that america is being undermined by left wing agitators. what i find ironic and sad frankly is that the nra is a lobbyist for gun manufacturers and they're pumping out this propaganda to gin up fear and paranoia amongst their members so they go out and buy more guns

which pumps more profits into the manufacturers. the members of the nra are the unwitting dupes being scared into spending their money to byproducts of the people making the videos. >> they have really segued into a pretty overt cultural argument. they're appealing basically to the same kind of people donald trump is appealing to when he says mexicans are rapists and that gangs are running rampant through the country and that you need to be afraid of them all the time. does it make a lobby more effective when they essentially become a fringe group? >> no. the reality is the world of the nra is closing in on them and they are retracting. they are getting smaller. every weekend you provide a

forum to have an enlightened elevated conversation about public policy and the discourse of this country and their response to that is to directly call you out by name and effectively put a target on your back. we've seen there are plenty of disturbed people in this country that have unchecked access to weapons. if something happens to anybody in the media, to anyone they've called out in these propaganda videos, the nra has blood on their hands. they put out another video the other day where they referred to mi mi mika as a sexy anchor. it's blatant sexism. the facts aren't on their side. the reason you don't see any facts is because all of the

measures are against them. even if you look at polling of gun owners, the majority of whom actually support responsible gun reform in this country, but they don't want to talk about that, so they resort to these kind of tactics to create that culture war. at the end of the day what i think is most disturbing is there's going to be some demented deranged person who will try to take matters into their own hands. >> it's a legitimate concern. linda, they are losing in the policy debate. suddenly after parkland there's been a sea change in the other direction. in iowa the legislature voted down a stand your ground type of law. you even have the department of justice which is led by somebody quite friendly to that trump breitbart world start to propose regulations banning so-called bump stocks that would

essentially clarify the definition of machine gun in the national firearms act to include bump stock type devices and to adjust federal law organiaccord. are legislators getting more courage to actually stand up to the nra? >> i would say some are and some aren't. they still have quite a bit of power. there are a few -- i have colleagues who have signed onto my bill as coauthors but many are very frightened by the nra and the gun people who they believe won't support reasonable gun legislation for safety. and my sense is in dealing with many, many e-mails and phone calls that have been very threatening and very rude from these law-abiding gun owners has

been -- i mean, first off they do not based on their e-mails and their phone calls, they do not like women much. the other thing is they're very afraid, very afraid . what their fear is, they're afraid that the government is going to come into their homes and take their guns and take everything they've worked for and they're afraid of our government, which doesn't ring very true with me. it's an unrealistic fear and very sexist. i've been called every name in the book. >> it's not as if they're not being told that. dana loesh just a few years ago was selling super beet juice and now she's selling fear and terror.

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i tell you. >> wow. at least it's not an nfl player he he is calling a son of a bit. chuck todd tweeted. this is undignified that this is what the president of the united states, this is how he speaks. your thoughts? >> first of all, the notion that chuck is biassed against trump or the republicans is just crazy. that's just -- he mustn't watch the show. i also don't think he's sleepy eyed but that's just me maybe. what you've been seeing from trump for a long time is fundamentally the behavior of an autocrat. he wants to jail hillary clinton, he gets idea on the criminal justice from the chinese dictator.

now he is just trashing any media that he thinks opposes him. even when they don't oppose him, he's trying to discredit neutral information. the irony is this is the media that gives him extraordinary amounts of unmediated time compared to any other president in the campaign, compared to any other candidate. it's just nuts. >> there's a fair amount of -- in my twitter there are a lot of people who are saying that very thing. why is he getting all of this air time? why are we playing his rallies wall to wall? he went on for an hour and 15 minutes last night. should the media be feeding that to the american public? particularly when the content is to patently ridiculous. >> no. they shouldn't. if there were president obama or

president bush or clinton, how would they cover a rally they attend in the midterm election cycle to promote a candidate? would they be broadcasting that wall to wall for more than an hour, or would they rather cough it in the way that they show excerpts of key moments and have discussion about that. that's been the president before this one, so why do we have a different standard now? you can't be upset about things the president says and on the other give him all of this air play. he got something like a billion dollars worth of free media coverage in the presidential election cycle. we're only helping him advance these messages of divisiveness. we cannot keep doing this and expect that he's going to change his behavior or change his tone. we're rewarding bad behavior. he's like a child. if you keep giving him what he

wants, he's going to keep pushing the boundaries and becoming more unravelled. all he wants is the story to be about him. if that keeps being the case, he's going to keep doing it. >> he wants the attention and he wants to entertain not just the people in the room, but he knows he's entertaining people through the tv. there's a particular target that he must feel is the most entertaining, black athletes, women and particularly women of color. he's pick add fed a few that he particularly dislikes. this is the way he spoke about maxine waters. >> maxine waters, a very low iq individual -- you ever see her? you ever see her? we will impeach him. we will impeach.

but he hasn't done anything wrong. it doesn't matter, we will impeach him. she's a low iq individual. you can't help it. she really is. >> and you worked in a presidential administration. you worked in the obama administration. what kind he says things like that and then members of his cabinet and administration are forced to respond to it. it then has implications that impact the administration itself. here is steve mnuchin, the stre treasury secretary of the united states, who was on "meet the press" with the wide awake chuck todd. >> he likes to put names on people. he did that through the entire presidential election, including all the republicans that he beat. these are campaign rally issues. >> so you're saying that's acceptable behavior for the rest of the administration too?

or is this unique to him? >> this is something that is at a campaign rally and the president likes making funny names. >> having worked in a presidential administration, what is the risk involved in making not just the presidency ridiculous but the presidential administration ridiculous too? they all have to go on tv and say things like he likes making funny names. >> it's despicable. so are the people who go on tv defending the things that he says. it's just what we saw last night was a throwback of his racist bigoted 2016 election play book. it is going after women, women of color in particular, going after black people. this is what he does because he's consistently just governing for that small group of people which is throwing that red meat, letting them know i'm still

there for you, i'm still trying to make america white again. the biggest concern that i have now is that there are no guardrails for donald trump, because he was doing this when he was a candidate. now he's president. and no one seems to want to stop him. republicans don't want to stop him. his family doesn't want to stop him. he's governing without a net, without a clue, strictly from his gut. and it's only going to get worse. this is just the beginning for this election cycle. >> speaking of 2016, the man who takes credit maybe too much for donald trump getting elected and for some of this alt right messaging that helped make him into a populist is steve bannon. this was steve bannon speaking with who i guess he wants to be his new patron, the far right

national front party of marine le pen in france. >> let them call you racists. let them call you nativists. wear it as a badge of honor because every day we get stronger and they get weaker. >> the goal of bannon is to export what we call trumpism here in the united states all over the world. or at least all over the western world. >> think about what he was just saying, that you should be proud to be a big got. that is the mentality that he has. unfortunately we have a world wide crisis of democracy. you see it in the recent italian elections. you've seen it all over europe. you saw it in the percentage of la pen in the french elections.

this is not going away. it hasn't peaked. it is an ongoing threat. i think we have to come to grips with two things. one is that democracies have to produce widespread prosperity for people or they will become unglued agitated free agents that are raeeady to attach themselves to extreecmisextremi. we have to do a better job defending democracy and the free press and independent judiciary. i think we cannot take democracy for grant ed. >> where is he getting the money to finance this world wide jaunt through neo fascism. >> i think he's using some of these instability political

moments in france and italy to try to take his brand of trumpism and sell it to someone so they will give him a platform. he's basically in political exile in the united states. he needs to get political relevance again. i've watched steve bounce around from supporting people like rand paul and sarah palin and ted cruz, eventually settling on donald trump. once that imploded for him, this is why he's over in italy and france. steve is a bit of a con artist really. he takes this idea that he's the great manipulator and he's trying to sell that to these other fringe groups saying, look what i did in america, i could do that for you. i think that at the end of the day for steve, he's going to

find it's not going to be so easy to duplicate what he did here abroad. he had the billionaire mercers funding all of his efforts here. now he's just one guy out there trying to make it happen. >> the appalling thing is to try to legitimate racism to say you should be proud to be a racist and a nativist. our job is to make a multiethnic multiracial democracy work. we've had a lot of problems, but we put some of the worst it behind us. and now there are people trying to bring back the worst. that's very dangerous. >> i was going to touch on the hypocrisy of all of this. if obama had done any of this, paid hush money to a porn star, russia, spoken the way that donald trump says son of a b

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states of america have been very divisive for a long time. and i think that it's very interesting that he condemned the protests, the silent protests of our players who are protesting the injustice and bigotry and racism that has plagued our country for so long. >> is the woke era for the seattle seahawks waning? cornerback richard sherman, who you just heard, will be joining the san francisco 49ers. defensive lineman michael bennett is being traded to the philadelphia. joining me to discuss is the great jamel hill, chief correspondent for espn and one of the most coveted guests on

a.m. joy. let's talk about this exit of these players who have been very o outspoken. is this politics on the part of the seattle see haahawks? >> i do think we need to give the seahawks a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. when michael bennett and richard sherman were talking about racism and bigotry. they're an aging team. they need to reset the roster. i've seen reports that said they wanted a quieter locker room. richard sherman and michael bennett with very outspoken. maybe the seahawks felt it was time to allow some new leaders in their locker room. the irony is that michael

bennett goes from seattle to the eagles. he goes from a woke team to an even woker team. it will be interesting to see how that plays out given the stances that chris long and -- malcolm jenkins and others have taken. >> you have richard sherman going to the 49ers. there's been a fair amount of criticism they wouldn't just resign kaepernick. is it an irony that they wound up getting one of the most vocal players in the nfl? >> the 49ers put some money behind some of the causes that were very important to colin kaepernick. yeah, i think in general this idea that richard sherman is going to be quieter or he's not going to be the same player we've known him to be because he's with the 49ers, i expect

this guy to be just as boisterous and outspoken. >> michael bennett is writing a book. "things that make white people uncomfortable" is the book. he has had some personal experiences with the police after the horrific las vegas shooting. he was actually detained by police. let's listen to him in an incident outside a las vegas club where he say tws two polic officers used excessive force. >> it's a tough situation for me. do i think every police officer is bad? no. do i think there are people out that judge people on the color of their skin? i do believe this. >> it does feel like professional athletes have gotten an elevated voice again in the conversation. they're using that power.

there was a while where professional athletes weren't using their brands this way. is this trump that's triggering this kind of wokeness? >> if you look at maybe the last 20 years of professional sports, i think when michael jordan was the most popular athlete in the world, a lot of athletes followed his lead. michael jordan's m.o. was to be apolitical. now you're in the era of nlebro james and colin kaepernick. when you have those guys out there using their voices trying to get other completes athletes now all of a sudden you see a lot of athletes who want to use their voices. i think it was engineered by

understanding what's at stake, that they have a lot more to offer than just entertaining the masses. i think it's a beautiful thing to see. for a while, this was dormant. i think a lot of them got complacent and worried about how fans would react. i think they've seen with the money they have, with the position they have that that puts them in a better position to use their leverage to be able to use their voices to speak truth to power. >> absolutely. whether it's the golden state warriors who went to the smithsonian instead of going to the white house or dwyane wade meeting with the family of a parkland student. it's pretty impressive. you've been very vocal on twitter and used your voice in social media. what is behind your determination to keep on taking that risk and using your voice and you get a lot of heat for

it? >> i don't necessarily see it as a risk because it's always been a part of who i am. it's hard for me to let ignorance slide by. obviously being in the position that i've been in the last seven or eight months, i've had to encounter a lot of ignorance, a lot of racism and sexism. you have to have tough skin in this business. it's also not allowable. this is me drawing the line. >> thank you so much for being here. coming up at the top of the hour, sam nunberg joins msnbc live. rogress. to not just accept what you see, but imagine something new. at invisalign®, we use the most advanced teeth straightening technology

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>> a black restaurant is like a white restaurant but popeyes. >> okay. you may have caught late night with seth myers writers amber and jenny when they saved seth from the sin of jokes seth can't tell segment. this weekend, they are here in austin at south by southwest where they will be appearing on a panel with me to talk about diversity in late tv night news. first, they are here. thank you ladies for being here. sorry we couldn't be in the studio together. hello. let's talk about we're here in texa texas. i feel like i'm going to let you do the thing you do so well, to explain with all of the wonderful diversity you bring to the table issues people might be uncomfortable with. ted cruz. good old ted cruz had issues with beta based on his name.

i want to play you guys the song ted cruz created for that purpose. ♪ i remember reading stories lit p roar bert wanted to fit in, so he changed his name to beto and hid it with a grin. beto wants those open boarders and wants to take our guns ♪ ♪ not a khan on earth he'll get a vote from millions of texans ♪ ♪ if you got to run in texas, you can't be a liberal man ♪ [ laughter ] >> i'm going to throw this to you ladies. is there a problem with someone named raphael and tells hem self-t -- himself ted? >> yeah, anyone with ethic identity knows it's personal and something you define for yourself and claim for yourself and somebody goes around trying to police other people's

identities doesn't have a good handle on the subject to begin with. >> indeed. theresorry, amber, i want to play more of what you guys do on your show. you had the assignment of explaining for seth black women's role in the election. let's play that. >> as a black woman, i just have two things i want to say about last night's election. you're welcome. [ applause ] >> while all of america was on the edge of their seat to see if an accused pedophile would get into the united states senate, 98% of black women in alabama voted for the other guy because as my dad says, black women laugh and joke but we don't play. >> give beto some advice. how can he go and make sure he's targeting the right voters in texas, a state where ted cruz says he's not worried because everybody here is a

conservative. >> i think that's crazy. i think that you have to, if you want to appeal to black people, you have to acknowledge that we exist. people like to make it out to be like a very difficult thing to accomplish, but if all we want to do is be seen. we want to be taken care of and we have been treated so poorly that in order to treat us right, all you got to do is the tiniest bit. just a little bit of recognition. that's all we want. i mean -- >> yeah. >> yeah. >> jenny, does the same go for women and particularly, you know, women who are both a woman and double minorities writing in comedy? >> in terms of being acknowledged? >> yeah. >> yeah, i think that probably what everybody viewer wants, everybody whose a consumer of comedy want someone they connect with.

for the longest time, comedy writers were exclusively white men and i'm sure they are writing jokes that connect with white men and there are certain experiences that are true across humanity and there are other people -- it doesn't mean you can't connect with a white guy's jokes, but i think it is such a lovely relief to people when you hear a joke that you connect with personally, and i think since we've been doing our jokes seth can't tell, i'm gay and got feedback from lesbians, it's not whether or not the joke is funny but they can't believe i'm saying a thing out loud a thing they experienced. >> when you're part of a small subset not represented on tv, enj enjoyment aside is a relief to know you're not the only one out there. >> we'll continue this conversation at the panel. amber, jenny, thank you for being on the show. see you later. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you guys. >> meanwhile, you see my mug on

this show every weekend, but the truth is, this show is the product of dozens and dozens of people who make this show possible, and the core of that team are our amazing producers here at "a.m. joy" and among all of us would agree is my friend tracy curry. trey trey acy is brilliant. she's our princess and hates to be seen on tv and embarrassed. we're doing it now. tr tracy will be leaving the show moving on to a cool job making documentaries. we're happy sad crying but also crying with joy for tracy because she's so brilliant and so much fun and so smart and so intuitive and really perfect in every way. tracy curry, we love you. you're the wind beneath our wings. we'll miss you so much. please do not block my calls because i'll be texting you every day to make sure you're

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