that is this hour. i'm peter alexander in for nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" started now with katy tur in for chuck. good afternoon. >> hey there, peter, it is quiet in the studio because normally nicolle is across from me and her panelists are fired up and we have to pretrend they are not here and now you are in d.c. so it feels lonely. so scream from d.c. if you can. >> we shall. have a good hour. >> thank you very much. and if it is monday, it's fired and fury. tonight andrew mccabe's firing and the president's new attacks on robert mueller. >> the special counsel will conduct a probe that is fair and thorough and arrive at the truth. plus demanding answers. lawmakers slam facebook's data breach of 50 million users. and how that data was used during the 2016 presidential election. >> i do know that cambridge analytica was meeting with cory

lewandowski in 2015. >> and 2020 vision. ivanka trump hits iowa while president trump rallies a crowd in new hampshire. >> we have got to get tough. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm katy tur in new york in for chuck "today" a chuck todd and this is "mtp daily." all of what i'm about to tell you is happened just in the last 72 hours or so. the president praise theed the firing of andrew mccabe after he said he and the special counsel were being unfairly targeted the president targeted him and the special counsel and called mccabe a liar and the mueller

probe a fraud and after it was indicated he took notes on interactions with president trump and gave them to mueller, the president claimed he fabricated the memos. they may corroborate james comey's claims of obstruction which is perhaps why the president called james comey a liar. the president called mueller's probe a witch hunt, too. while using a hefty bit of disinformation to make his case. he twisted the findings of the house intel committee seemingly to discredit the investigation and credits the justice and department, and outside counsel called for the justice department to shut mueller down. and nbc news is confirmed the president is hiring a lawyer whose publicly suggested that the justice department framed the president. again, all of these attacks against the special counsel, all of these developments have happened in roughly the last 72

hours. the white house said the paparazzi is not considering nor discussing firing mueller. you can debate whether or not you believe that. but you cannot debate the lengths to which the president is now going to discredit mueller's investigation. which comes amid signs that mueller's investigation is getting closer to the president. whether mr. trump is guilty of something or totally innocent, we don't fully know yet, but to paraphrase what one top republican said this weekend, if you are innocent, you act like it. joining me now is ohio republican congressman jim jordan. he serves on the judiciary committee and a member of the house oversight committee. good to see you, congressman, thanks for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> i will ask you right up top, if the president is innocent, why is he not acting like he's innocent. >> i think he is acting like he is innocent but i think like so many americans is frustrated about what took place at the top level of the fbi.

mccabe and jim baker former chief counsel at the fbi has been demoted and peter struck has been demoted and lisa page has been demoted and reassigned. those are the top people at the fbi so he is frustrated about that as are the american people and what we know they did and when they started this russi russia-trump investigation in 2016 namely the dossier. >> let me play not a fan of democrat or somebody who hasn't gone after democrats hard. but not somebody going after donald trump very hard but saying, again, that donald trump is not acting innocent. listen to trey gowdy. >> if you have an innocent client, mr. doubt, act like it. russia attacked our country. let special counsel mueller figure that out and if you believe as we found there is no evidence of collusion, you should want special counsel mueller to take all of the time

and have all of the independence to do his job. if you believe the investigation -- hold on let me ask the question. if you believe the investigation is going to end in not having any collusion, and not end in anything being done inappropriately or wrongly, don't you want that investigation to be followed through if you are innocent? >> yes, sure. and the white house is clear about that. they said it again today. they want mueller to complete his investigation. but at some point when does it end. it is almost a year and we've been talking about investigation into the trump campaign and coordination with russia to date and not one bit of evidence suggests there was coordination or collusion, in fact the republicans on the intelligence committee said to last week in their report. so at some point it does -- you do have to ask the question, when is it all going to end or is this going on for the first term of the trump presidency. we don't know but at some point let's finish up and do what the american people elected us to do. >> if the president feels so confidently that he is innocent and it will end well in his favor and if he wants the

mueller investigation to go on unimpeded, why is he tweeting what he's tweeting? why did he tweet what he treat -- tweeted over the weekend. why is his lawyer coming out and saying this investigation needs to end. why is he -- why is he saying as much as he is saying. >> think about the fbi. the top people i just talked about, many of them have been fired, a bunch demoted, they took a campaign opposition research document and directioned it directioned -- dressed it up and took to t -- it to a fisa court and didn't tell them the whole truth or who paid for the document -- >> that is a republican partisan finding -- they found that -- >> no that is -- >> i'm not going to argue and go down this rabbit hole. >> this isn't a rabbit hole. >> it is in black and white. >> this is frustration from the white house and so many americans. >> hold on. >> and they didn't tell the court that the author steel -- >> they did --

>> they didn't tell the court, that his relationship with the fbi was terminated and it was termaini termainity terminated because he didn't -- >> i want to keep you focused on this. >> i want to keep you focused on the facts. >> let's talk about the way donald trump handled this investigation. you were clear you didn't like the way president obama was handling investigations in the past and you didn't like bill clinton having a meeting at an airport with the doj during the election and it feels like considering how strong you were with those opinions in the past, why do you think it is okay for the president of the united states to go after the russia investigation, to go after robert mueller, to taint it by saying it is all a witch hunt. why do you think in one circumstance it is appalling and in another circumstance -- and i'm asking you two things. you have one set of conclusions for when it is a democrat in power and another for when it is

a republican. >> no i don't. i look at the facts. >> and i'm wondering why that is. >> they met days before his wife secretary clinton was scheduled to be interviewed by the fbi. you don't think that is unusual. and the president of the united states at the time said, oh, no big deal. think that is highly usual and then it was turned over to james comey and it never happens and it did with the clinton solution and who interviewed and ran the clinton administration, he launched the russia investigation, peter struck and the text messages from him and lea page we know where that comes. if anybody was -- what if you were being investigated by the former head of the fbi and he had 15 lawyers looking into your life and now said i want your personal finances. who wouldn't be frustrated by that. there has got to be a frustration level on the part of the president but the white house is clear they want mueller to finish the investigation but

i'm saying let's get it done and it is a year and it's time to get some conclusion to this. >> i want to put up a tweet you sent out in 2015 about obama commenting on the irs investigation. and yet another political abuse of power, the obama justice department will not charge lois learner for actions of the irs and not surprising given that obama prejudged the doj investigation in early 2014 saying there was not even a smidgeon of corruption at the irs. so you think it is not okay for a president to say to -- to prejudge an investigation by saying there is not even a smidgeon of corruption but okay for the president to say that an investigation is a witch hunt and a hoax? >> yeah. the president said that about the -- president obama said there was not a smidgeon of corruption. definitely influencing his attorney general. this is different. this is a special counsel and he recused himself. i don't think he should have. but he did. this is a special counsel and it is a year now and let's get some

kind of conclusion and move on. >> so he is not influencing an investigation right now. >> it is a special counsel, katie. that was the whole point. >> is the special counsel appointed by the own administration. >> appointed by rod rosenstein. not by jeff sessions. >> he appointed rod rosenstein as well. >> understand. but i think it is a different animal and i think most americans would think it is -- that is why you have a special counsel and i've called for a second special counsel to look at this. we called for it seven months ago. that is what it needed to look at this whole sordid mess with what the fbi did clear back through the fbi investigation and the trump-russia investigation and we do need a second special counsel and we called for it several months ago and month and more -- i don't like special counsel but i don't see the way the fbi could investigate themselves and each week more members are calling for it. >> what if president obama called the clinton investigation a hoax or called for it to get shut down or atacted the fib for

investigating mails or fired his fbi director for investigating it. what it president obama did all of the things that president trump did -- >> he d. he prejudiced the case. >> he did not call anything a hoax. he did not call anything a hoax and he does ask for it to be shut down or fire his fbi director for investigating it. and even if you do concede the point, two wrongs -- two wrongs don't make a right. >> i agree with that. but i also understand it wasn't -- it wasn't president trump, it wasn't attorney general jeff sessions. reason andy mccabe got fired was because the office of the -- the fbi, his colleagues said he should be fired. >> he fired james comey. >> and that is long overdue. comey messed up the entire clinton investigation and took heat from it because i criticized comey ten days before the election and i said he was wrong then and just like in july and i took heat from republicans. so i've been consistent.

james comey screwed that entire mess and that is why he should have been fired, i thought he was wrong in july and in october when he opened the case. >> why haven't we see the ig report for mccabe. >> i think we'll see it soon. mr. horowitz a few months ago said he thought it would be april. let's hope it comes out then and i look forward to that report. i hope it is sooner rather than letter. >> congressman jim jordan. thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> you bet, thank you. and i'm joined by danny sal after os, what is your reaction to congressman jordan? >> my reaction -- i have a lot. but one would be let's look at some of the things he said were accurate and some weren't as accurate. one is that it is true, the office of professional responsibility which is composed career officials did conclude that mccabe should be fired. which is a very rare conclusion. however, everything after that, the timing, the fact that it was days before his retirement, the sort of summary way it was

disposed of, those raise questions and when done, if done, to avoid an investigation, we have to always consider the possibility of obstruction. that is always a concern. and these are all things that we can relate back to president obama and draw comparisons but in the here and now, if a president is ordering the firing of those that he perceives as instrumental to an investigation against him, it is very easy for a prosecutor to conclude that is obstruction. and potentially an impeachable offense. >> do you think it is witness tampering or witnessin d -- intimidation for him to go after mccabe and he is in a unique position to corroborate james comey. >> there are six different statues that address obstruction of justice and they deal with

obstruction and intimidating witnesses and sometimes by violence and leading an investigation. and if somebody is obstructing a witness and the key here, katy, it the purpose. this is always the key in obstruction and other white-collar type crimes is what is the purpose with which it is done. if it is for a corrupt purpose and improper purpose that is a crime. if it is done for a reasonable purpose, such as i really and truly believe this -- there is no crime there, there is no there-there. there is nothing to investigate and then that may not be a corrupt purpose. however if it is done to avoid getting in trouble, that is the hall park of a corrupt purpose as we always say. it is the cover-up that is sometimes just as bad as the crime. >> so where would an investigator fall or prosecutors fall on the way donald trump has behaved tort someone like andrew mccabe who said i'm being

singled because of the role i play and the actions i took and the events i witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of james comey. where will a judge fall on this or where are robert mueller fall on this. >> he'll have to consider several things. there was an investigation that concluded mccabe should be terminated. that is conducted been -- by an -- and in modern times the concept of in dependence thing is but these are career professions in the office of professional responsibility. but look at where the order came from. even a justified firing could be done with a corrupt purpose. in fact, all of this investigation as to whether or not mccabe was fired improperly or a crime was committed will come down to one word and that word for criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors alike is corrupt. and which is defined as an improper purpose. which an example would be trying to avoid getting in trouble, trying to protect a friend from getting in trouble, those are the reasons.

if that was why mccabe was ultimately fired, there may be some there-there. if on the other hand, if you are trump and you are arguing that the reason i fired him was for a perfectly lawful purpose which theres there is nothing there. >> look at the totality of the way the president has behaved over the weekend and just the totality in this investigation going after various witnesses, going after the people that he's fired and trying to damage their reputation. damage their credibility. when you see that, you have somebody like trey gowdy coming out and saying if your innocent act like it. and congressman jordan disagrees and thinks this is all unfair for the president and that is just a normal reaction for somebody who feels like they are being treated unfairly. where do you fall on this? is it donald trump trying to meddle into this investigation or is this somebody treated unfairly? is he acting like he's innocent. >> number one, the mueller investigation and the motion -- the notion it should be over by now, that may be fine by the

public and feel fatigued from the investigation, but as far as large scale white-collar type federal investigations, a year or two years is not necessarily a long period of time at all. so the complaint that it is time to be over and wrap it up, just doesn't fly. because it is not really that long of an investigation compared to what the doj and the government normally conducts. again, in fairness to the trump side, the fact that his lawyer may have said let's call for an end to the investigation as a defense attorney, we make these requests to prosecutors, go easy on my client, hey, why not this -- charge instead of that charge so in fairness that may be what this is. but this is no normal client. this is the president of the united states. demanding, cajoling, tweeting at and all of these members of the doj and insulting their duties. their formal official duties. that is something totally

different. >> and the story wouldn't be in the headlines as often as it is unless donald trump brought it into the headlines as often as he does. there is incremental news but the president himself makes it news or bigger news with his twitter page. >> can't disagree with that. >> danny saval os, thank you. and ahead, was your facebook profile used without your permission? a data company linked to the trump campaign is as you -- is accused of harvesting the profiles. we'll talk to a senator demanding an investigation.

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welcome back. today in meet the midterms, there is something for everybody in the new nbc news/wall street journal poll. democrats have a 10 point advantage over republicans in congressional preference for the midterms this fall. 50% of voters prefer a congress controlled by democrats versus 40% who want one controlled by

republicans. that is up from a six point eighth edge in january. and when you break it down, there is a 23 point edge with women and 30% for those 18 through 43 and 12 points for dependent. but republicans can't be excited to see those numbers. depending on how you look at it, here is good news for them or the white house. president trump's approval rating is up four points from january to 43% among all americans. this improvement mostly comes from republicans, white men and independents. though if we put this in perspective, 43% is still the lowest for any modern president at this point in the job. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" right after this. -- all those laxatives, daily probiotics, endless fiber-- it could be wearing on you. tell your doctor what you've tried, and how long you've been at it.

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rick kornacki and the tender of big board on election nights. zellina maxwell and director of progressive programming and sirius xm analyst and john horowitz and a contributor. john, you start first with congressman jim jordan and him saying that it is -- it is not the same thing for president obama to talk about a smidgeon and in the lowest learner irs tax investigation and how that colored the investigation, but totally okay for donald trump to call it the russia -- trussia investigation and the mueller probe a witch hunt and demand it be investigated. >> and i think what barack obama did is wrong and that what trump did is wrong and the difference in between them is really not true. you have a president of the united states prejudicing the public's view of an ongoing

investigation that is going on beneath him. and in some ways trump is worse. because of course the investigation is directly into him. whereas that was not the case with obama. >> and he is much -- >> he is much louder about it. but when you don't say that and when you are obama and you have old-fashioned protocol, when you say anything it is very loud. so the fact that he intervened at all in talking about the irs investigation was very notable because the ordinary thing for him to do would have been to say nothing or say i can't talk about that. and that is not what he did. >> there is discussion about why donald trump chose this weekend to start going after robert mueller. a lot of it is this idea he feels more free to be who he is because he's flushing out the advisers telling him what to do and the headlines last week subpoenaing the trump organization for documents, i imagine part of it is what just came out in the washington post a moment ago. trump's lawyers have turned over

documents to mueller with hopes of limiting interview scope. this is something the lawyers an donald trump has been wrangling with. what will happen if they are v to sit down. >> the prosecutors will ask what they want, no matter what the defense said. you can't tell the prosecutors you can only ask about these dates or time. >> you can't do -- >> they will negotiate but robert mueller will decide the scope of the interview and the things that needs to know to build the case that he is working on. going back to congressman jordan, he's using a talking point that republicans say post house intelligence committee saying we didn't find any collusion. it is like stopping the game at half time and saying we're done we won and leave the court when you still have two quarters left to play and there is no evidence of collusion is something that we should knock down every single time, because that is not actually true. donald trump jr. did meet with russians in trump power. that is a fact that is not going to change ever.

and so i think that robert mueller is deciding whether or not any of the actions that the president p -- trump campaign officials took rise to the level of a prosecutable offense in a court of law. and that is what his job is under the regulation and he will do his work. the spin that republicans are putting on their actions really are to set the court of public opinion in a way it doesn't matter what robert mueller finds because the public will discredit it because trump has worked to discredit the investigation. >> and is that what they are trying to do. is that the best strategy, donald trump can't fire robert mueller only rod rosenstein can fire robert mueller and if trump started a process that would get him fired so is the best strategy to just tear efb down to the point where there is no credibility. >> with trump we try to figure out the strategy and it is impulsiveness. we see impulsiveness and we wonder what the strategic kons

que -- consequences will be. and anything new on this broad umbrella of russia or collusion or whatever you want to call it, anything new in the media or comes out of mueller's ort he regards as an attack and the only instinct when he senses attack is to fight back ten times as hard and we see the twitter tirades and he put his approval number up there on the board. look, it is under 50 since he's been in office but there is a lot of theories out there, a couple of times during his presidency it ticked up into the mid maybe high 40s and a lot of theories. my own theory is when there is a pause in this behavioral pattern i'm described. at the end of the year, in addition to the tax cuts and a couple of other news stories, one of the things we saw toward the end of the last year, trump was taking a break from the tirades. but every time he stops that for an extended period of time, there is less sort of chaos in the news coverage, and less sort of disorder in the air. and think there is maybe five or

6% of the public that calms and they start saying, maybe i'll approve again. >> but i think we have to go back to 1998 and remember that when there was a -- the last serious special counsel investigation into a president the white house went to war with kenneth star. this is not a bad tactic. it solidifies your own team and saying if you don't come with us, those guys will win. you better be careful. any possibility that democrats were going to back off of bill clinton because they didn't like his personal behavior was overcome against the intense fighting with star and what trump and jim jordan and republicans on the hill are doing, is politically -- it is not unwise necessarily. maybe it gets unwise if he fires mueller. then everything changes. >> but the investigation is more serious than that. >> it is more serious. but i don't think this is -- >> this is russia intervening. >> and more serious than the president of the united states obstructed justice by getting --

>> lying about a personal affair. >> no, that was not what was being investigated to be honest. but i don't want to go back into the clinton administration. >> no. i think when you are talking about a foreign pow. >> meddling in an election is an important deal. >> i'm not saying it is not. >> but part of the reason we're in this situation is because of the way partisan politics have gone. whatever white house is in power will attack whatever special counsel might be investigating in that white house for whatever reason and everyone on this side gets on that team and this side gets on that team and there is no -- there is no reasonable discussion. and isn't that part of the reason why we have donald trump as president? because people were so revolts with partisan politics? >> it is interesting. the comparison to '98 is interesting to think about. one of the things you saw in '98 with the clinton impeachment at that moment in american history and maybe different now in this me-too era but there was this consensus, this is not the public's business or ken tar's

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welcome back. facebook is under growing pressure to complain skmain how it will protect americans personal information from people wanting to exploit it for electoral gain. a bombshell report over the weekend said that cambridge analytica, a data firm tied to the trump campaign harvested information from more than 50 million facebook users without their permission. a former contractor turned

whistleblower claims the information was then used to target voters. facebook said that is a cambridge university researchers, alexander kogan made an app where users voluntarily gave personal information and broke the rules by handing the details over to a data firm, cambridge analytica. the social network has suspended cambridge analytica which denies wrongdoing. and the revelation is triggering calls on capitol hill to have facebook make clear thousand will handle personal information. and one of the lawmakers demanding an investigation joins us now. senator richard blumenthal of connecticut is a member of the senate judiciary committee. thank you for taking the time to talk to us today. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. let's talk about cambridge analytica and why there should be an investigation. are you worried that some of the information may have been used inappropriately during the 2016 election. >> clearly it was used

inappropriately. the only question is who should be held accountable. the ftc has a consent decree involving facebook that may have been violated and clearly american privacy was violated smxt major part of those 50 million individuals whose privacy was violated by facebook and cambridge analytica have a claim here. and the judiciary commity ought to have mark zuckerberg and other executives from facebook and companies in this space testify under oath in public to explain what happened here and who should be held accountable and what new laws may be neb to protect american consumers in the future. >> senators clobu char and kennedy want to -- >> we have a vote underway and i think that this issue ought to

be bipartisan. there is nothing political in this sense of party about violations of and the violation here of american privacy is so profound and widespread, going back to 2015 when facebook knew about it and pa a parental -- apparently did nothing andine now failed to notify the 50 million people about their information being at risk. cambridge analytica and a very predatory way used it to target voters for the trump campaign. it has links to the leashrussia state and the question is whether there was cooperation there. so i think there are a number of different strands and squirrelling facts here that require more investigation. >> it isn't just the people who said yes to filling out this survey. it is all of their friends as well. then they were linked to who ended up giving over their

informationin add vertently. and it led to 50 million facebook users having their information what policy do you think facebook needs to -- needs to enact in order to make it a more secure environment for users? are you saying that people should start logging off that -- logging off that website and -- or freezing their accounts? before they know. >> there are a number of questions like that one exactly. whether people should be taking action to protect themselves, which is hard to do, if they haven't been notified that their information is out there at risk, a failing on the -- on the part of facebook. but more fundamentally, how do we make sure that the terms of service that facebook is now saying justified what they did, that the other protections that may exist are strengthened. it was clearly a lack of verification and transparency

and oversight here in the way that facebook handled this massive breach. it relied on the promise that this information would be somehow deleted. obviously that promise was never kept. but facebook ultimately bears a responsibility here and we as members of congress have a obligation to make sure that privacy is protected. >> facebook shares fell precipitously today, 6.#%, the biggest decline since 2014. what do you think mark zuckerberg needs to do to get out in front of this. >> he needs to come before congress and he needs to be very public and open and transparent about how they failed and clearly there was a failure here. and how they are going to do better. it is -- it's that simple but also complex because the challenges of protecting privacy are complex and difficult and that's why there needs to be an open public explanation before

the judiciary committee involving mark zuckerberg and other executives, including alexander nix of cambridge analytica and a full investigation that will lead to better laws and protections of privacy. this issue is so fundamental and americans need to understand how their privacy and the most sensitive information about their finances, their medical condition, their preferences as to different kinds of culture and food and all of the rest of it are at resk tod-- at risk in america. >> senator, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. ahead, president trump is on the mission to combat opioid abuse. his plan to stop the growing crisis, next.

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i don't want to leave at the end of the seven years and have this probl problem. >> this is the first trip to the first primary state since before election day in 2016 when he held a giant rally there. unsurprisingly he also used the opportunity to start drumming up votes for 2020. meanwhile, ivanka trump was in iowa, the nation's first caucus state. she visited the whacky innovation and learning center for an infrastructure and work face event with kim reynolds. it is faint, but if you listen carefully, you could also hear the nbc news election music. ♪ get into my car ♪ get into my car ♪ ♪ get outta my dreams ♪ get in the backseat, baby ♪ get into my car ♪ beep, beep, yeah ♪ ♪ get outta my mind ♪ get outta my mind ♪

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time now for the lid. the panel is back. i was getting comfortable in my seat getting ready for this. let's start where we ended a moment ago. wash post talking about

documents that the trump white house -- or trump's attorneys are sending over to the special counsel in hopes of limiting the scope of the interview. tom doud has responded to our in inquiry and i can't say all of this on television because it is a bad word but i will -- i will use different word. he tells peter alexander by e-mail horse -- poop -- and in a separate mail old news. it is weird for him to call it horse poop. the reporting and then also say old news. so that means it is confirming it essentially. they already have been working with mueller. >> he's been mailing a couple of peculiar statements over the past few days. going back to the previous conversation, i think it is a little bit old news that there is a negotiation. we mentioned that. so that part is old news. maybe he's saying that they did not try to limit it with these documents. but they did send over documents. maybe the framing of the reporting is what he's quibbling with. >> you focus on polls and voters

and the -- the feelings of americans across the country, does this -- is this resonating at all -- donald trump even speaking to mueller, would that resonate with the voters that drum donald trump is trying to keep? >> it would resonate. but in terms of how people process and understand the story. we said it in the last time we were here earlier in the hour, i think a lot of this stuff was baked in a long time ago, not just earlier in the presidency but during the campaign, how people understand donald trump, how people understand that there are battles and wars he gets into, with the media, with the special counsel. i don't see many splices heurpr. >> so politically speaking, does it matter? we found that during the campaign, where every single controversy never really hurt him. the louder the criticism got

against him the more people dug in. >> he's not on the ballot in the midterm elections in november. that is the key point. whatever happens with hem aim i slight slight slightly separate question in what happens to the republicans in 2018. republicans are incredibly unpopular, congressional republicans in polling, and if trump's approval ratings stay down in the high 30s, low 40s, you add all those together, it's a very bad atmosphere for republicans going into november. i think that steve's right, that the chaos, that the trump's emotions and the sense that things are kind of like crazy and out of control is not good for republicans. it may be okay for him. it may solidify things for him personally in the sense that he looks embattled, so his team

will rally to his side. that doesn't mean anybody necessarily rallies to the republican running on the generic ballot. and that's the problem. >> do you feel like you're in a ham itst hamster wheel? >> yes, every day i wake up and have to check my phone and see what hell trump as wrought. i think you're right. generic republicans likely are going to run their races. and we've seen democrats find candidates that are matched well with the districts they're running in. so the midterms are going to go on as they might. but i think trump is in a significant amount of legal jeopardy in terms of where this investigation looks like it's going, right? when you have andrew weissmann on the prosecution team, an expert in money laundering, so his expertise, going to the witnesses and getting them to flip on each other, that's when

the walls close on donald trump and this becomes less of a political computation. if we're talking about the high level officials around trump, even if it's not the president himself. >> that's very bad for him. the question becomes if mueller develops a significant piece of information and he does what kenneth starr did, which is that he recommends to congress that congress has grounds for impeachment in this, that and the other charge, that's where some of this could backfire in the clinton sense. that's to say, although clinton had a better case here for himself. but that then it becomes a political matter. and then it's like, okay, well, mueller just ran wild. i ju he just wanted to collect a scalp. he wants you to do his dirty work. republicans will circle the wagons, because not to do so,

he'll get killed, and they'll get killed, and maybe they can save him and maybe they can save themselves a little bit. >> that's an interesting point. because i agree with what you said earlier that the republican are in a precarious position because trump's not on the ballot. but if a starr-like report were to land before the midterm election with that kind of recommendation, then the midterm is all about trump and the issue of impeachment. i think there's a reason why democratic leaders have not wanted to have anything to do with this issue of impeachment, because they fear it will fire up the trump base to keep the democrats from impeaching their president. i agree.

>> thank you very much. appreciate it. ahead, the clash of the condo owners. stay with us.

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name off the building. some buildings have already ripped the trump name off their facade. that may be a little uncomfortable for one in particular, vince mcmann. he's a personal friend of the president. it's awkward, but here's where it gets super awkward. his wife is linda mcmann, the head of the u.s. small business administration. she's a trump administration appointee. the building votes tomorrow on a new condie board, and i'm pretty sure the mcmanns will side with keeping the name. you don't want to cross the president as vince mcmann learned the hard way in 2007. you know things can get tough in those meetings. resident just remember to keep calm and not go overboard. sure, there's a lot on the line, if you hold tight to your principles and don't let go, i'm sure you'll pass this test with flying colors.

chuck will be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. the beat with ari melber starts. >> we begin with news out of the mueller probe. new fallout after trump is doing something he has never done in public. he is attacking bob mueller by name. and this comes amidst an unusual late-night friday firing of a key witness in the obstruction case that could be built against the white house. the former deputy to james comey, fbi official andrew mccabe is out. tonight members of congress calling for an investigation of that firing and many in both parties warning trump against moving on mueller. this is not a drill right now. mccabe punching back. he says the trump administration singled him out and treated him this way because of his role in the aftermath of the firing of james comey. he also alleges on the record this was part of an effort to discredit him