what advice would you give to the 25-year-old donald trump knowing what you know today? >> don't run for president. [ laughter ] >> i love the way he was asked that question and answered right from the heart and so honestly and almost immediately it was kind of great. i think he was telling the truth. a rarity from donald trump. my thanks to the great eddie glad, and jennifer palmyary and -- >> let's not compare. >> this is little league. >> everyone gets a trophy. make sure you watch tonight at 10:00 on the last word and we have michael avenatti and check that out. that does it for us this hour. i'm john heilman in for nicolle wallace and now i'm late, chuck, don't be mad but i will get you what i said yesterday. >> i didn't hear it but i'm cashing that check. if it is thursday one of the president's lawyers is out and a

trump interview with robert mueller may be in. tonight president trump's legal team shake-up as his lead counsel in the russia probe steps down. >> mr. president, would you testify to special counsel robert mueller, sir. >> thank you. >> i would like to. >> plus -- can congress fix facebook? >> i wish i could tell you we're going to have a hearing for sure. >> and trying to pretend you are fighting washington while running washington. >> this may be the worst bill i've seen in my time in congress. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily" and we begin with breaking news after the big shake up in the president's legal team which features a shift in how the president will deal with robert mueller escalating investigation.

to put it bluntly, things could get real interesting and real ugly and it could be both. nbc news learned that today's resignation of the president's lead lawyer in the russia investigation john dowd is part of larger preparation for potential presidential sitdown with special counsel robert mueller. according to people familiar with the process. and as john dowd leaves the team, another one of his top lawyers ty cobb is reportedly on thin ice. as the new york times notes, dowd is leaving because he concluded that mr. trump was increasingly ignoring his advice and based on what we know about cobb and dowd, the president has been ignoring a lot of their advice. it is no secret that they've urged president trump not to go nuclear on mueller publicly. but in recent days, the president has done just that. attacked mueller. he's attacked potential witnesses and called the whole probe a fraud and claimed it is a witch hunt. based on what else we know about cobb and dowd, they've been trying to find ways for president trump to avoid sitting

down with robert mueller. perhaps out of fear their client might purger himself. but the president today reiterated his desire to sit down for an interview. here he is at a signing ceremony at the white house today. >> would you like to testify in front of special counsel robert mueller, sir. >> thank you. >> bottom line, the president appears to have lost faith in his legal team after all they've told him the probe would be over by now. that he had nothing to worry about. and it also appears the president wants to fight. it is what he knows. it is what he's done in the past in these situations. he just added this lawyer -- who insists the investigation is based on a giant conspiracy. >> there was a brazen plot to illegally exonerate hillary clinton and if she didn't win the election to then frame donald trump with a falsely created crime. the fbi and senior doj officials

conspired to violate the law and to deny donald trump his civil rights. >> wow! if that doesn't signal combat with pule -- with mueller, what does? the president might bring back his old lawyer, mark kasowitz who was removed from the legal team last summer. now he has a reputation of being a legal street fighter. want proof? he was originally removed from the president's legal team after propublica published a mail to a critic, such like watch your back and expletive and call me and another expletive and i know where you live. and so his top lawyers defending him in the investigation has resigned and added one lawyer who claims he might be framed and add another who is called the donald trump of lawyering. as i said earlier, to put it bluntly, things could get ugly and it could get ugly early. to my colleague carol lee here in washington with her scoop

right now. so carol lee, dowd -- putting all of this together and it appears john dowd resigned because he wasn't -- the president wasn't agreeing with his advice which was not to speak to robert mueller. >> yes. that is exactly right. and among other things people have told us he was just generally unhappy about the addition of digenova to the president's legal team and felt that was layering him and designed to push him out and basically that president wasn't listening to him and wasn't listening to his legal advice and so now we've been told that all of this whole shake-up, as you outlined very well, is aimed at this decision that they have to make about a presidential interview and as we saw from the president's today, he really wants to do one. and he has people around him who want him to fight and that is where his instincts are. and so i think we are -- our understanding is there is a number -- the shake-up is not

complete. there is still some other possible additions, maybe some subtractions to the team and that it is all in preparation for this possible really critical moment in the investigation. >> but carol, there is two ways to look at it. if he wants to sit down with mueller, is that fighting or cooperating? >> yeah, well that is -- it is a good point. and i think in the president's mind that is -- that is not being seen as not -- as not wanting to sit down or being afraid of sitting down with bob mueller and afraid to face him. and in his hind it could be perceived as a weakness. i think his lawyers -- the ones -- john dowd in particular, he was the leading opponent of him sitting down with robert mueller and for the reason that he felt like he might -- it is just too risky and it wasn't worth it and it would be more of a fight to actually not do it. >> does the president at all see the downside of publicly changing legal teams this

dramatically? it just -- that is what -- that's what people under siege who look like they're, quote, losing an illegal argument do. >> yes, i mean, if you step back and put this in the context of just what we've been seeing out of president trump lately, it is -- he's -- it is almost as if he spent the first year trying to kind of do what people told him to do and follow along the -- the piece of advice he was getting and this is another example where he wants to go back to his instincts and if you just look at kasowitz, he wanted trump to take a more aggressive approach end was pushed aside last summer and so the idea that he's -- that trump is now reengaging him and he's -- talking about maybe bringing him back suggests that he's looking to take this more aggressive kind after poach. >> and more public approach. and all of the lawyers he's hiring, these are lawyers that like to talk.

>> yeah. >> mr. digenova and kasowitz have been a favorite of reporters. carol lee, thank you for that. great scoop now. and joining me is another reporter with the earlier scoop of the day, the dowd scoop. it is michael schmidt and a nbc news national security contributor. so michael, today you said in firing dowd the president is looking for some silver bullet that he thinks this -- what is it? what does he think that silver bullet is. >> it is not what he's done since last summer when dowd came on. dowd came on with ty cobb and they sold the president on a strategy of cooperation. the sooner we cooperate, the more documents we give, the faster this will be over. it will be over by the end of the year. the cloud will be lifted. obviously the end of the year came and went and it is still going on. >> i don't understand how the president fell for that. when we would hear that strategy, every story whether it was your reported story or what we did on air, we would say history indicates we don't know

why they think that. like it is hard -- the facts didn't match it. how did they snow the president for so long. >> i think this was a bit of baby-sitting. they were deeply concerned the president would fire mueller and doing everything they could to wait him out. to try and get to the next exit. just wait -- a little bit more -- >> buying time. >> just buying time. because if they said to him, hey, look, mueller is going on for two years and he's eventually going to come and -- and be an even bigger problem. >> probably would have fired mueller. >> and the president in this case justified in changing legal teams if the client -- he was told it would end by the end of the year. he said a red line would be mueller subpoenaing his business records and that has happened. i'm trying to look at this from the president's point of view. i get why he may feel legally exposed or naked right now. >> but how is this any different than what went on in the

campaign when he had several campaign managers. how is this any different than what has gone on at the white house. two chief of staff, huge turnover. why is it any different on the legal team. >> that seemed to be what carol was saying too. there comes a point where he stops listening to the people he's asked advice from. >> the president believes he's his best spokesperson and his best lawyer. so maybe he needs some surrogates to go on tv, maybe he needs some folks to give him some legal advice but he will do what he wants. >> why does he want to expedite this interview with mueller. does he think interviewing with mueller speeds up the end of the probe or interviewing with mueller gives him -- after he's done it allows him to say whatever the heck he wants and then he can fire him. >> if he goes into the interview with mueller he could come out and say okay we gave them all of the documents and met with him and it has been a year, he's still going around. it is a witch hunt. he hasn't found anything. it could play right into -- >> i cooperated to a point but i'm done. that is it. >> and i gave you a chance and

you took a year and you didn't find anything. no collusion. see you later and use that as a rational to get rid of him. >> how long -- the negotiations do you think will take between mueller and the new legal team. he's getting a whole new legal team which tells me that is a lot of things -- kasowitz was there before and i'm sure has been -- he never was fully dismissed. >> no. he's always been in the background. >> but digenova, is he lead? >> no, the lead will be jay sekulow. he will be in the front of it, sort of coordinating things. but i think that they've been negotiating for several months. dowd had the lead in that. but my guess is that this may move quicker than we think now that dowd is cleared away, the person standing in the way of the interview, dowd tried to get the mueller to agree that president could do written responses or video responses. i think now it could move quicker than we think. >> michael schmidt, thank you very much. fascinating.

let -- let me bring in ben wittes. ben, a lot of times we ask to you try to see through mueller and try to understand the mueller probe. try to help me in the -- make the best case for why the president's doing what he's doing with his legal team. >> well, i don't think there is a good case for it. but let me start with a point that you made earlier, which is that the exiting legal team really did the president a disservice by reassuring him that the entire situation was under control and was going to wrap up on its own. and one thing you shouldn't do to a volatile client is tell him things that aren't true. and the repeated reassurance,

buying his quiet by convincing him that it is all okay, if you just give us until thanksgiving or until the end of the year, you just give -- that's pouring -- it's putting gasoline in a tank that you're then going to pour on a fire later. and so it defers the problem, doesn't address the problem. that said, replacing such lawyers with people who were conspiracy theorists and who want to antagonize a professional investigation that has a lot of capacity to do you damage, that is not a wise idea either. running willy-nilly into a interview with a very professional investigation is generally speaking not a good

idea. and by the way, the idea that the president is his own best lawyer, there is an old saying that a client who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer. and believing that your judgment is better than all of the lawyers around you is a form of that. >> well, look, i buy the potential strategy he's thinking which is this idea, i'll give him the interview and walk out and say, you should be able to wrap this in up in a week and if he can't then i'm justified getting rid of him. do you think he can both do interview been we interview -- well he can do what he wants. but how does mueller handle this situation like this in your mind? >> look, the president cannot fire bob mueller without either persuading rod rosenstein to carry out that order, or without removing rod rosenstein and replacing him with somebody who

will. and so it is easy to talk about firing bob mueller once you've given an interview. actually the mechanics of getting it done is not a trivial thing. and once you've given an interview, as bill clinton found out when he gave an interview to the grand jury in the ken star matter, that creates a momentum and a trajectory and a life of its own. >> so you're bob mueller today and see what the president is doing and know that you've begun these negotiations of what an interview might look like and now you find out that the president is anxious to do an interview. so -- >> capitalize on it quick. >> what is realistic on what mueller can demand of the president in an interview? he could go to the subpoena route and create -- but what do you think is the most likely

setting for what an interview will look like. >> so most of mueller's interviews have not been in front of the grand jury. he seems to be using -- unlike ken star, he seems to be use the grand jury when he needs to compel. and not when he has voluntary appearances. in which case he does things by interview. that is fbi interview with the fbi agents associated with the investigation and the prosecutors associated with the agent -- the prosecutors working for him. and so assume -- i assume if he can get the president's agreement to sit for an interview, that will be adequate from his point of view. i don't think he needs it to be in front of the grand jury. i don't think he needs it to be under oath. and i don't think he needs it to be uncounseled. normally when a witness goes in

front of the grand jury, the lawyer is not with them. my guess is robert mueller would probably be perfectly happy to interview the president and in the presence of counsel, and not from front of the grand jury. that is a guess. but that is the way he seems to be interacing with a lot of witnesses. >> you are painting a picture of an interview they may agree to the interview sooner than we think. >> it is possible. >> the president may agree to that. >> but let me throw cold water on what mike schmidt was say being it coming together very quickly, because it is also the case that this is -- the president will say okay i'm going to have a meeting with kim jong-un or say on the phone to vladimir putin, let's get together soon, and the difference between -- or say to chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, we have a deal on daca and the difference between him saying that something is nearly there or is there and it actually happening can be very

substantial in his case and i think any professional lawyer working for him is going to want to arrange for the best conditions for this interview and i could see that making things more complicated even now. >> yes, maybe they'll start noegtsi -- negotiating over the size of the table. ben wittes, thank you very much. much appreciate it. up ahead, how will the dowd departure impact the investigation. he's clearly going to raise the decibel level on hitting mueller. we'll break it down with tonight's panel next.

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welcome back. plenty to talk about. lets a get right to the panel. saleel pore and sarah fig and a contribute your and president of the democratic group emily's list. welcome all. sarah, i'm going to start with you. one thing about the president, he's not playing it safe. >> no. >> whatever you think of this legal decision, this is not the safe legal road.

>> well i think it is a clear -- that he said he's been very consistent that he's done nothing wrong and there is no collusion and if you are trump, clearly you think doing an interview with bob mueller will exonerate you, will further exonerate you and put this issue behind you. i think the challenge of course is it is in the posturing. these lawyers, robert mueller is the best of the best. and when you get rid of someone like dowd or he resigned on his own accord and bring someone in who hasn't dealt in the white-collar crime of d.c. >> but digenova has -- >> i was thinking of his personal attorney. the posturing is all wrong. you should be trying to avoid an interview so when you get one you have the best terms. all he's been saying is interview, interview, interview. why would you not do it under oath. >> well now mueller -- he's got -- this is what i said to ben wittes, he has somebody he wants to interview -- and

mueller is like, oh, okay. not many people want to -- >> and it does show a shift on a variety of fronts because john dowd was part of the team that made the recommendation, don't go after him and hunker down and we'll beat this and don't go nuclear and then after dowd and cobb suggested this will be over by christmas and new year and then now he's going after mueller personally. this is a shift in his strategy and i spoke to two people in trump's orbit today and they both suggested watch ty cobb, he may be next to go because he is the part -- i think that is him reporting. >> but stephanie, if you are the president, your two lead lawyers doesn't mislead you. so i understand why he would be frustrated with dowd and cobb because they kept saying, no, cooperate and we'll be done by the end of the year. >> which is clearly a legal strategy to try to keep him from

doing this exact kind of behavior he's doing now. this is a continuation of the chaos we see -- we see it every day in the administration itself in the white house. with cabinet secretary and the staff and in the legal team. my concern not just -- my concern as money american is where is the republican leadership on this? you have a few that have come out and said, mueller is a red line, you just can't cross that. he's a good guy and doing the good work. i think very, very strongly we have to make sure the investigation gets done. but they have to be very concerned about what you just talked about in the earlier segment. is he trying to get rid of mueller and that is not okay for america. >> the two of you dive in on the next question in that you are both got clients that on the ballot or in your case you work for an organization with a bunch of people on the ballot. you both are advising people running for office this year. this still hasn't penetrated

voters per se, has it, sarah. >> i don't think so. i don't think it has at all. they most look at this at another extension of how washington is broken and two sides don't get along and everything is political and corrupt and they factor that into their decision making. the voters have to find wrongdoing and some wrongdoing announced before it impacted individuals. the overall stink is not good for anybody. >> but i don't see democrats running on russia? >> no. >> it is like you treat it like background noise. nobody touches it as a in pain story. >> because voters are -- voters are tired of the chaos, though. i'm starting to see a lot of that. they can't quite put which part of the chaos they are tired of. it is -- it is constant. so they are looking for someone to come in and we're talking the democrat candidates, talk about health care and that is a huge concern for voters across the

country, about the economic situation, because the noise is all around them. you don't need to talk about it. it is there every single night. >> this is your challenge for republicans, is how do you -- the leader of your party is creating the noise. >> yeah. >> he is. he's loud and he's setting at -- the agenda every day and most days we're talking about things that aren't personal to voters and i think stephanie makes a good point. for people on both sides of the aisle, which is voters, they look at this russia stuff and think, ah, it didn't really impact me. i think it is bad, i don't want the russians in the middle of our elections, but most pen-- m people don't think he won because the the russians, that this is background noise. >> and i think the republicans could run on something like tax cuts. >> they would love to talk about the tax bill and one thing to run on and the mixed verdict in

the pennsylvania special election but this is very difficult. i've heard from democratic lawmakers they don't believe this russia issue moves voters. they want to talk about economics and they have a tenth the size of the megaphone that trump and the republicans have by virtue of lacking a twitter personality the way the president does so this is setting up the oxygen until this is not a partisan issue. >> if i could add on that -- i really am in our conversation with voters that we're hearing all of the time, they want to get to the bottom of it. i think they're right. it is not -- >> everybody wants resolution. >> we want resolution and if all aven -- and if the president pulls mueller out and there is not s resolution, that is a very dangerous moment. we just need to get down to the bottom of this and as someone who worked in democrat politics for a long time and elections, i just want to know what happened. >> if he fires mueller and we don't get -- it is as if "star

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welcome back. mark zuckerberg is promising changes at facebook following the cambridge analytica scandal. and lawmakers are demanding hearings to hear about those changes. facebook has grown tremendously since the inception and without much any oversight from the government, is there any chance that will change? yes. but how? and is the congress -- is this congress the right agent for the change. joining me now is cara swisher from recode and one of the journalists who interviewed mark zuckerberg this week. good to talk to you. >> how are you doing chuck? >> i want to start with the statement and mark zuckerberg. when i read the statement, it read to me like -- a p.r. shop wrote the statement. that they are trying to preserve -- they're trying to -- trying to stop the bad press and not trying to fix the problem. am i being too harsh in that assessment?

>> well they did -- the breach of trust thing, that everybody said over and over again, it is a breach of trust, it is -- a breach of trust. they all repeated it and sheryl sandberg did too so that was written in a p.r. speak. it is a nice way of saying we let down the users instead of saying we let your privacy go amok all over the internet. they did announce some things they should have done years ago like little things, i could get into specifics, but some things they would investigate but a lot has to be more specific and severe in terms of taking back the data can ch is not gettable any more. it is out in the wild. it was seven years of this that went on where they gave data to third party developers. and what is interesting here, the cambridge analytica thing people are missing, it is not a breach. facebook gave the data to these developers. >> yeah, i'm glad you said that. >> in exchange -- >> this is a business. the entire premise of facebook

is we are the product, right? >> yeah. i don't use facebook but -- but you are the product. >> yes. >> that is the idea. and so they're whole business is based on advertising and attention and what they did is they had developers they wanted on the platform early to make a vibrant network, a social network and they gave them -- i keep calling it a candy trove but they handed out data like candy to come in and make great apps and get people excited about the platform and engage and then it was a virtual circle and facebooks got cool stuff to play with and they didn't monitor where that data went and who was using it and it didn't keep in mind -- i did talk to mark, how did you know bad actors would use this and why weren't you policing this. that is the issue. >> and it is funny that didn't he -- it seems as if he just went back to his own motivation of why he wanted to start the facebook. which is to find out more information about more people. >> yeah.

exactly. exactly. and one of the things i think was very -- he said i didn't sign up to be the one to decide what should be kept and what should not be kept and i was like you kind of did sign up for it since you created this and that is an interesting thing. facebook has to take responsibility -- as i've been saying for a long time, for the platform and get their hands around it and if they can't, who is going to do that? and i would not recommend regulators doing it because they can't -- they can't even order lunch together in washington. so this is a really big question of who will monitor this and if not facebook. >> let me ask you this, it is funny, i think tim cook knows what he wants apple to be and what he wants the company to see it as. i think jeff bezos knows what he wants amazon to be and what he wants the public to view amazon as. i actually don't know -- what does mark zuckerberg want the public to see facebook as and what does he see what facebook is? >> well, i think it is

interesting because he kept back ago way several times in interview that i didn't -- i don't want to sit at my desk in california and make these decisions. a community should decide this. he built the community and made the community. he runs the community. he owns the community. and so he does have to step up more and say what his values are and what can be done and what can't be done. and a lot of people in silicon valley are -- not the people you mentioned are loathe to do that. they are like let a thousand flowers bloom, let anyone do what they want and the problem with that is anybody does what they want. and especially bad actors. and this is a perfect system to be taken advantage of it by those bad actors. >> apple and amazon are the out liars. they used to be criticized, steve jobs was criticized for the fact he wouldn't let other people into his orbit, developers and things like that. >> advertise is not apple's business. they are in a great position because they're just selling iphones. their devices are used for the apps, but this is not their business and so they are -- they have nothing to -- in this case

it is not nothing to do with apple. >> is facebook ever going to be the same or are we going to start using myspace metaphors? >> to. i don't think so. it is a powerful -- there is 2.2 billion people on it and they own instagram and what's app and they have all kinds of things. is this a real crisis and in the microsoft moment when microsoft started hurdling downward around a monopoly issue. microsoft did not pay attention to them and it resulted -- now it is still a very powerful company but not what it was. >> not like before. that is right. they're not. it is more like the way you used to talk about ibm. >> right. exactly. and so i think that moment was terrible for them because they were arrogant and facebook has got to fix itself and has got to take the responsibility and take this very seriously rather than it just being i'm so sarry. i'm so -- and so what is what we need to know next. >> it is a apology run by p.r. people. >> a lot of apoll -- apology.

>> that is for sure. cara, i wouldn't want to be on your end of that interview. i imagine mr. zuckerberg was nervous. well done. >> thank you. up ahead, who is in charge of the republican house and republican senate? if you ask some republicans, not them. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪

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who are in charge and who complain about what people in charge, in other words them, are doing while in charge. confused? try to keep track of the republican criticism and the spending bill making its way through the house and senate. and yes, republicans still control the house and republicans still control the senate. here is congressman jim jordan of the house freedom caucus. >> this may be the worst bill i've seen in my time in congress. the worst bill our leadership has allowed to come to the floor. >> and here is a typically colorful bite from one of our favorite guests here at "mtp daily," senator john kennedy of louisiana. >> this is an embarrassment. i said it yesterday and i meant it. this is a great dane size whiz down the leg of every taxpayer in this country. no thought whatsoever to adding over a trillion dollars in debt. >> no truth to the rumor that we'll have a go pro ready to go with john candidate where he

goes. but both jaeordan and kennedy a upset about budget-busting spending. and frankly they are not alone. republicans run the place. all of it from the house and the senate and into the white house. and a lot of them sounded like jim jordan and john kennedy in the past. don't say you are in charge and then complain you are not really in charge. if you want to cut spending and balance the budget, then cut spending and balance the budget and a good place might start be to not pass a tax cut plan that adds more money to the deficit which makes it even that much harder to balance the budget. i'm not saying -- i'm just saying. we'll be right back. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice,

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more women have become bred winners and more americans are saying working mothers are a good thing. a 12 point increase in 20 years but that doesn't mean women's actual experiences in the workplace have changed much. ch. 61% of women say their male counterparts failed to treat them as equals, that's unchanged as of two decades ago. most americans think the me too movement highlighting sexual harassment will bring change. while 58% -- more than half of people who voted for president trump. the vast majority of hillary clinton voters on the other hand say the increased attention is appropriate. let's go to the panel. women in the workplace, this was an interesting generation -- way, sarah, to show a

generational shift where you at least have more men saying it's good to have working mothers. >> if you look at the partisan differences, it's generational too. >> very generational. >> very much so. coun this country has made enormous process. i worked in the white house, and i left thinking this was over. i worked for these incredible men and never once thought i couldn't do something because effort a female and i got out and worked with a whole array of diverse people and found that things can be the way they are when my mom and my grand mother were young professionals. >> to look at the generational differences. but it is interesting, maybe women are more excited about this movement, obviously baby boomer men are not as much.

but baby boomer women for the most part have been leaning right on most of these social issues. but not on this issue. >> and it has been interesting to watch this, i didn't think about it on emily's list, because we work solely to elect women to office. it's not surprising, my staff is mostly millennial women. my supporters are mostly baby boomer women. and i'm right in the middle. and it's been so interesting to be going through how they're viewing this. >> boomer women saying, incremental progress is good. millennial women going -- >> we want it now, and we need that energy, that's why we're at a potential sea change moment here. i really do. because what's been so powerful in the last year, including me too, but i bring it back to those women's marches a year ago. is that women walked outside and said i'm making a stand, which was the first empowerment moment

which we realized that we weren't alone. and it is time, and we have made so much movement. and i have been a chief of staff for senator john fester. i didn't think that i'm a woman chief of staff. >> that was more common in the '90. i just did a podcast with chris whipple. and it donned on me, that there hasn't been a woman chief of staff. >> i think a lot of those barriers are coming down. i think we're about to have the first woman from mississippi. >> we now have all states, all states have at least sent a woman to congress. >> which is a very significant thing. >> mississippi had been the last one. >> you mentioned millennial women, one thing that stuck out to me in a pew poll, 90% of women identify as democrats. while this poll is not

particularly reliable, if they do start to show up regularly, we could see a massive change in politics. >> how does it feel now that republicans are on the short end of this me too movement. and obviously this has a lot to do with the president. >> i think republicans need to do a better job of recruiting women supporting them, getting them in office and there are many strong conservative women, women republic women reynolds from my state, we need to do more to put them out there. a lot of this is generational. and certainly the president's had challenges with women coming forward and alleging wrong doing and younger women tend to be more democratic, younger voters tend to be more malleable, they tend to be more open to republicans as they get older. but women are payingmo more

attention to this than they have in recent years. >> we have been talking to over 130 women who are thinking about running for congress, we're actively engaged in almost 40 congressional seats. but here's the real wave, over 34,000 women who have come to ellen's list in the last year saying they want to run. sea change moment. >> thanks to our panel, we appreciate lit.

well, in case you missed it, vice president joe biden could face-off against president trump in 2020 if not sooner. he said he would, quote, beat the hell out of the president if they were in high school, over his comments that were on the "access hollywood" tape. that prompted this tweet from the president this morning. crazy joe biden is trying to act like a tough guy, he would go down fast and hard crying all the way. what would a trump-biden fight look like? it would need a good name. if it's on the president's turf, it's got to be in palm beach, biden trump, sparra lago. we're going to go with the thriller on the acella.

there is no way for world leaders to act, past or present is it in let's cut the machismo, if you have to ask who would win, i'm siding with ted cruz. >> i think melania could take them both. "the beat" starts right now. >> you know this is hip-hop when two people are claiming to have a fight that we all hope they never physically have. >> i was going for the scrap in scranton. we had a little too much fun today at our ever changing run down meeting. >> we have had some fun with fights that probably won't happen. we begin with breaking news tonight. what you're looking at there is