king and from you. reverend, thank you for your re-election. >> watch tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. on nbc. and i want to give my thanks to betsy woodruff and evan mcmullan and jennifer rubin. and i'm kristin welker in for nicolle wallace. >> good to see you. >> another slow day. >> another slow news day. we haven't had breaking news in ten minutes so hurry back, will you. if it is friday, it is fight-or-flight to mar-a-largo. tonight how john bolton's appointment as national security adviser changes america's relationship with the world. >> he has a world view that i think will help the president make us safer. >> he has a history of being a war monger. >> plus the president ordered new tariffs on china. and the war of words.

but not vetoes. >> i looked very seriously at the veto, i was thinking about doing veto -- >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." donald trump's impulses are to fight and after a dizzying series of white house shake-ups it looks as the president's impelss might be running the country largely unchecked. he wanted to fight robert mueller, who will stop him in the chief lawyer who wanted to stop him is gone. he wanted to fight a trade war with china, who will stop him in the chief white house economist who did want to stop him is gone. he wants to maybe bring us to the actual brink of a potential war with iran by ripping up the nuclear deal. who will stop him? the national security advise who are wanted to stop him is out.

and a major proponent of ripping up the deal and bombing raub ir in. he wants to fight storm and congratulate pute ind and again who will stop him. support a bipartisan spending bill and then fight it and hold an abrupt and strange press conference to complain about having to sign it. who will stop him. the white house communications director who may have stopped him is gone -- wait, not that one. no, not that one either. no, not that one either. there it is. thank you. that white house communications director is the latest to go. who did have an ability to stop him. and this is what we're left with. today was a prime example of the president's impulses unleashed and unchecked. he praised this massive spending bill and bragged about getting $1.6 billion to start his wall. then he changed his mind. and today said i'm considering a veto because the border wall is not fully funded. then after sparking a small

freak out on capitol hill, and raising the expectations of some immigration hardliners, he signed the bill. but not before holding an abrupt press conference to complain about signing a bill that his party negotiates and his white house staffed negotiated and praised and he supported. here are a few of his grievances about the bill today. >> i will never sign another bill like this again. i'm not going to do it again. nobody read it. it is only hours old. we have to get rid of the filibuster rule. we have to get rid of the filibuster rule. not happy with $1.6 billion but it does start the wall. i do want the hispanic community to know and daca recipients to know that republicans are much more on your side than the democrats, who are using you for their own purposes.

>> but folks when it comes to unleashing the president impulse there is no issue than the foreign policy bringing in john bolton who is a big proponent of the war in iraq and written op edds about using a strike with iran and north korea. and joining me now is barry mccaffrey and a national security analyst. let me start with john bolton. i'm sure you know him and spent time with him. give me your take on john bolton. >> well i've watched ambassador bolton over the years. look, this is a very talented guy. he's extremely intelligent. he knows the global community. he writes beautifully. he's very forceful speaker. he's possibly the worst choice to be the national security adviser you could have imagined. with the example of the -- of a perfect national security adviser would be brent skoe

croft or steve hadley. defense interelect ums and neutral umpires and trusted by the ints -- interagency process and thoughtful and ambassador bolton is not that. and the thing that most concerns me about him is i don't think he understands the uncertainty of when you embark on military action. and so i think this is not going to turn out well. >> well let me ask you this. is this really about ambassador bolton or is it about the president? and the thing that i'm curious about is the president -- i know people are focused on ambassador bo bolton's point of view but if you've agreed to take this job under the circumstance with which it came open, then you realize be careful -- be careful disagreeing with the president. the reason bolton appears to be in is one issue and one issue

alone and that's the iran deal. >> there is always tension with the national security adviser. they want an empire steps from the oval office and h.r. got in trouble with mattis and kelly. too bad. now they have bolton instead. i hope they are happy working with him. but look, again, the problem with ambassador bolton will be that he will have a view point, a forcible one and look to me as if it will feed the president's impulsive nature and possibly get us in an armed conflict in lieu of using other tools. that is the concern. you said in a preinterview with my producer that you think if secretary mattis leaves, it will bring down the trump administration. explain. >> well, it is pretty strong statement. but look, jim mattis is literally worshipped by the armed forces, particularly the marines and the army. they know who he is. and he's been fired at with machine guns and he's a

thoughtful law-based rational person. he's also got a huge constituency in congress. and he's being very loyal to the president in the most positive manner. if you try and push out mattis as a barrier to taking military action as an example against iran, i think the republican leadership would finally say, whoa, now we're in trouble. so i don't think it will happen. if it does, we're in trouble. >> are you concerned that a military conflict with iran becomes more inevitable if we get out of the deal? >> um, i don't know where this is going to go. as secretary mattis said in public, breaking the deal now is not a good thing to do. the europeans won't join us and then advance the mischief purposes. i think it was a bad deal but we are stuck with it and ought to make the best of it.

we definitely don't want to fight the iranians. by the way, both north korea and iran, if we were told to go to war we'd destroy their military and achieve our military objectives. but nobody is signing up for that. it is a bad idea. so why are we -- why are we getting a guy in the white house that allegedly thinks it is a good idea. >> i got to ask you about a tweet last week when you responded -- you seemed to be exasperated with the president that he didn't have anything to say negative about putin, to putin and you write this on twitter. reluctantly i've concluded that president trump is a serious threat to u.s. national security. he's refusing to protect vital u.s. interest from russian attacks and it is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of putin. that is -- you didn't pull any punches there, general. >> no. look, the final straw was the attempted assassination of the

russian foreign intelligence officer and his daughter. and by the way, that was a signature assassination attempt. putin is telling the world i'm going to use this nova chock and he's running a criminal enterprise and a huge threat not just in syria -- we had had a battle between so-called russian mercenaries and u.s. military forces in syria. probably killed a couple of hundred of them. the president hasn't talked about it. the invasion of the ukraine, the threats to the baltic states. the nuclear rhetoric out of putin and his senior officials we never saw anything like that -- >> so what would you want the president to say and do? what should be the -- what should be the way to confront putin now to get him to stop? >> well, by the way, i think it is relatively easy to do that. to deter putin. he is a clever risk taking kgb officer. the russians have a tiny

strategic naval and air power capability. they're economy is a -- a tenth that of the united states, never mind nato. they are a threat to their immediate neighbors. the only thing they have that anybody cares about is nuclear weapons and oil and natural gas. so i think if you create an environment of nato deterring putin, it almost immediately happens. that is not happening as the united states won't exercise leadership. mr. trump has been disparaging to angela merkel, theresa may but respectful and -- almost a cinco fant of putin. he needs to defend u.s. national security interest. >> general, i will leave it there. thank you for coming on. good to have you, sir. >> yep. let me turn to ian bremer. president from theure asia group and i like to talk to give us

sort of a -- a pulse check of how the world is -- the economy in leading foreign leaders are taking moves in the united states. good to see you. >> you too. >> let me start with john bolton. who is happy with john bolton around the world pick and who is concerned? >> i would say pretty much every american ally is concerned. and that is -- >> did you say every american ally? would you throw in israel or saudi arabia or are they the exception. >> no, israel and saudi arabia are a bit the exceptions but as the general just said, even american allies like israel and saudi arabia, they didn't like the iran deal but they don't want it ripped up. and they don't want to see the united states doing something unilaterally and having no allies. that creates more instability. the israeli and saudi wants to see more sanctions against iran on other issues like the ball of theic missile program and support for terrorist organizations, that kind of thing. so there is a concern there.

and i think the fact that bolton is going to be much more of an enabler of trump, someone who is more like mnuchin or navarro, senior adviser economically where he said trump's instincts are right and i'm here to facilitate. i think that is one problem where mcmaster and gary cohn and tillerson, now a lineup of individuals who even if they weren't all very effective in moving trump, certainly were willing to tell the president to his face when they disagreed. i don't think you'll get that with bolton. i think that unnerves american allies. >> let me ask you this. could it be an interesting negotiating tact wick the europeans on the iran deal meaning their going oh, no, we really -- we have to do even more to try to save this deal. maybe there is a way to keep the americans in here and let's try to placate them a little bit. is that possible? >> yes. it absolutely is. i think the white house was moving in that direction. it will still happen. i'm not someone who believes

that one person, especially in the trump administration, suddenly changes the trajectory that we're heading. certainly not someone that -- national security adviser who is expected to -- life expectancy in the administration is in the months. but on iran, the europeans and the americans are presently negotiating a new deal that would basically mean that in eight years time, so when the ten-year deal period is over, that there would still be imposition of sanctions if the iranians decided at that point they were going to reopen uranium enrichment and nuclear research for military capabilities an the rest. frankly, they are getting close to that kind of a deal. which would be seen by trump as a win. let's sign it. so i'm less worried about iran than i am about north korea. i'm less worried about iran than i am about the general tendency toward doubling down on unilateralism. one thing that bolton strongly agree with trump on is the

united nations multi-lateral trade deals, multi-lateral agreements all need to be ripped up by the americans. >> last question for you. the world economy -- how is it handling what appears to be an amped up tariff policy from this president which it looks like the europeans might not retaliate but the chinese look like they are ready. >> the europeans are possibly not doing to retaliate because tail find a way out of the tariffs and the headlines looked horrible but the behind the scenes deal will end up keeping them from experiencing the american tariffs. on china, on the other hand, you have republican leaders, corporate leaders and banking and technology leaders saying the chinese are acting in an unfair way and we should be hitting them and trump isn't getting pushback. the chinese will absolutely retaliate in that regard. and also retaliate because trump just signed into law a taiwan travel policy that is going to

lead to higher level exchanges of the americans going to taipei and government officials and vice versa. and that is a red line for the chinese and they won't back down on that. >> no, they won't. it is interesting there. ian bremer, thank you. appreciate you sharing your views. up ahead, we'll try to break down the dizzying changes in the trump white house and what they all mean with the panel next. and a big broadcast this sunday to talk about the policy of this chaos and confusion and confrontation the the trump white house and my guests include cory lewandowski and mark warner of the senate intel committee and we'll be right back. s it take to make digital transformation actually happen? it takes dell technologies, a family of seven technology leaders working behind the scenes to make the impossible... reality. we're helping to give cars the power to read your mind from anywhere... and we're helping up to 40% of the nation's donated blood supply to be redirected to the people that need it most. magic can't make digital transformation happen...

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behalfful kevin nicholson and cut this national security themed tv ad for the candidate. >> in iraq and afghanistan almost two-thirds of our casualties were caused by suicide bombers and ieds but courageous patriots like marine kevin nicholson put himself in the way. >> his pac gave $6 million to those sharing his world view and including thom tillis and tom cotton but his days helping in the wisconsin senate might be over. more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds.

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of everything we've seen this week from the president and the different changes, there seems to be a pattern of pugilism and i used an extra syllable word -- that is what he's looking for, fighters. >> he's not looking for a team of rivals. he's looking for his advisers and he's got it. john bolton is intelligent, educated, principled, articulate and experienced. five virtues not present in the man who appointed him but five virtues that may not be virtues when he is down the hall from the president and the last person and the most frequent person that the president hears from -- because the president is largely influenced on the last voice he hears from cable television or one of his employees. >> that is what happened with the budget bill today and heard something on fox and friends and got the complaint and spending all of this money and you have no wall. >> the bolton clip shows him

speaking at cpac which is the conference. those are the red meat people. and the president now has the kind of warrior like unilatterists all across the board that he wants. bolton, navarro, pompeo, kudlow, haspel, assuming they get confirmed. pruitt, people who ripped up the paris -- out of the paris accord and out of the iran accord and the u.n. could take the top ten floors off. they emulate the president's own -- >> his campaign -- disruptor. >> combativeness, but also people that are externally combative and what are they like internally and will they say yes, mr. president, whatever you want but it might be moot because they'll have the same instincts for combat that he does. >> caitlyn, the question i have is everybody is now coming into this job, if you are the -- with

the awareness that if you disagree with him, you're out. >> exactly. >> so these people worry about john bolton believes this and i'm thinking does that matter? john bolton knows the circumstances with which he was hired which is don't disagree with the president. >> they've had over a year to see kind of what it is like to work in this white house and what tactics you use to stay in and what tactics get you pushed out. and certainly i think the president and bolton know that about each other. and i think the president likes to have people out there going to bat for him and also presenting somewhat of a fight. back to the budget -- the spending bill today. think about -- trump did campaign as someone who would just shake the way things are going, both parties -- he has no interest of course in the republican party. he could have made the case that, look, this bill is everything that people don't like about washington and the process. the spending bills -- you talked to lawmakers on capitol hill, none of them like the process.

they wish he would have perhaps said that before they actually passed it. and not when they are headed out of town. and then if you are a republican running in a mid-term election this year, and the president is out there -- >> trashing you. >> a bill that you voted for -- >> and what is the case to have reelected republicans to congress? if the president is out there saying -- look, they did a terrible job. >> well i suppose you need the republican party to pass a 2232 page bill which is almost the exact size of obamacare. >> and on the anniversary. >> and an enormous deficit at full employment with 3% growth. it is madness. the republican party this week signed its expiration notice. >> you think it is -- you can't take the party seriously any more on fiscal conservatism. >> of course not. >> i think that the president is operating in a way where he's now kind of wired the whole city, if not the world, to his own central nervous system.

and he -- he views congress as an adjunct to the story he could sell and as he tried to do today on defense spending. anything to get past -- get the approval of the fox people and the cpac people who he is still playing to. he's not trying to play to anybody else but those people. >> i hear you. but matt drudge put up fake veto and it was a mocking tone. and ancolter unloaded on him on twitter. if you are going to saber rattle, you better be willing to use the saber and that is what -- i think there were people in the -- in his base who thought, oh, maybe he will do it. >> exactly. you had a couple of lawmakers on capitol hill say yes -- i agree with you. well because they're out of town and they don't want to have to deal with this again. but he did have a point to make on this today.

just the way that he went about it is not right. and also -- with all of these changes and the kind of combative nature, i'm wondering what he senses about the midterms coming. and kind of what he's preparing for. talking about the republican party today and the congress in general, it was kind of a preview of -- >> it is of. >> of 2020. >> i think he's think being everything that is facing in front of him including mr. mueller and all sorts of things. caitlyn howard and george stick around. up ahead, the u.s. and china fighting over money and the tariff war could cost both countries a lot. and talking with the president's top trade adviser next.

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welcome back. outrage grew there sacramento, california, after the killingp an unarmed black man, steven clark died after being shot by police 20 times in his grandparents backyard after responding to a 911 call about a man smashing windows. footage shows officers mistaking his cell phone for a weapon and opening fire. demonstrators locked arms and blocked entry into the golden one center and delayed a tipoff game between the kings and hawks and more marched on the sacramento freeway and stopped traffic. these acts of civil disobedience are rooted in civil rights demonstrations of the 50s and 60s and to mark the 50th anniversary assassination of martin luther king we explored

how civil rights pioneers uses the visual television media to influence a new generation of activists. >> segregation tomorrow and segregation forever. >> the segregation power understood that the press doing its job had become their enemy. >> we would like to have have all of the -- all of the news media over here for a private conference. >> and in every way as strong and as dangerous to them and to jim crow and segregation as the civil rights protest. >> joy reid is the host of a.m. joy and she contributed to hope and fury mlk the movement and media. joy, good to see you. >> great to see you. >> the point of this in many ways, the big picture of this documentary is the power of the visual image and how important television was to the civil rights movement.

and i'm looking at what happened in sacramento last night. and what we've seen in the black lives matter movement and visuals have made a difference in that movement too. i wonder how much going through the making of this documentary how much you see the black lives matter movement today. >> well i think it is absolutely true that the black lives matter just like other protest movements learned that lesson. we are visual creatures and that getting the attention of the television media is key to telling your story. because the idea is to get people who are far away and distanced from you to relate to the people who are victims of violence, brutality, segregation, disenfranchisement to replace to them and their suffering and what better way to do that then through the visual medium. >> and it took something to understand you needed the media -- i spoke at length with andy lack our boss, who was the executive producer of this and he was saying in many ways, that

is what doctor king understood best and almost lobbying for media coverage. almost pitching it. >> well that was the point. that they learned -- the civil rights leaders learned early on in albany, georgia and didn't provoke a reaction out of the more savvy police chiefs in the sense that he did all of the arrests peacefully and didn't provide that sort of image of grotesq grotesque violence that they knew was happening in the south and they had to go to birmingham. and when the movement was starting in the early 1950s. only about one in ten american households had a television in it. by 1955 emmett till was killed and 65% of american households had a tv and dr. king in '55 who is 26 years old and understands tv because he is of the tv generation so he understood that television was the future. getting the newspapers in the 50s get mattered and jet magazine for emmett till in 1955

mattered but going forward and by '78, 94% of households had a tv and he understood television was the medium to capture. >> it is interesting, we were born after this moment of the civil rights movement. how important did you feel like it was for you to almost experience it in realtime the way you did after seeing this documentary? we don't teach this that much any more. and it strikes me as something -- i'm going to sit my kids down and say you have to watch this. >> yeah. it is interesting. because we don't teach it except in compartmentalized ways. people that come after the civil rights movement, as an african-american and a young person, we all watched eyes on the prize. so we had a detailed understanding of america's racial history through living it through our family stories and the series on pbs and a lot of white america has skipped this and they know a couple of lines from the i have a dream speech

and king was a guy that was nonviolence and gandhi but not the full breadth of the savagery going on throughout the south and the country and one of the reasons to be honest they have a hard time dealing with race because we have an unequal understanding of our own history. so it is important for us to confront it. you can't paper over this stuff forever. a nation has to con front its demons. that is what the civil rights movement was asking the country to do and we still need to do it. >> we ripped off the band aid in the 60s and put it right back on. >> exactly. and people wanted the comfort and deal with it any more. >> and it is -- sometimes we don't want to admit that this was the 1950s and not the 1850s. >> that is correct. >> joy reid, nice to talk with you. >> thanks. >> catch joy this weekend as msnbc will bring you live coverage of the march for our lives protest. we'll be on the air all day tomorrow. and don't miss the premiere of "hope and fury" on saturday at

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china is going to end up treating us fairly. for many years they had free rein. we are friendly with china and we have great relationships with china and it is time. it's time. last year we lost $500 billion over trade with china. we can't let that happen. >> welcome back. as we pointed out, the president is eager for battles on a lot of fronts and that includes trade. yesterday president trump signed a memo directing his top trade rep to level an estimated $50 billion in new tariffs on chinese goods. part of an event bills as targeting chinese economic aggressionme aggression and the president

tweeted the tariff wars are good and easy to win. and joining me now is peter navarro director of the national trade counsel and one of the top economic advisers. welcome to the show. >> good to see you. >> let me start first with what we saw -- just i want to ask you about the white house operating right now. is john kelly still running the west wing or is the president -- is it more of an open process now? >> john kelly is running the west wing. we have staff meetings three times a week and they are very orderly fashion. we go about our business and life is good and we're doing great things. >> do you feel like you have more access to the president now than you did three months ago. >> it is not a question of access. the issue is when the president needs your advice, he calls you and you come and you provide that advice. usually -- >> before were you prevented from providing that advice? >> let's put it this way. i had a tough first 50 days. but there was a -- was a time

where president wanted to move forward a little bit faster on the trade policy and we began to do -- what has been great things on trade. don't forget, on day one on the first business day we got out of the trans-pacific partnership which would have been very damaging to our manufacturing base. we initiated the renegotiation of nafta after president -- presidential candidates -- presidents promised to do so many times before. we are on the verge and this is a bit of news for you, because the president spoke about this at his press conference, it looks like we may be able to renegotiate successfully that awful, awful south korean deal in 2012. >> i heard him talk about it. >> and that is an achievement in and of itself. a lot of good stuff getting done here. >> and with trade, you have some unusual potential allies but i ask you about a comment you made

to bloomberg because it was referenced by a guest. my function as an economist is to try to provide the underlying analytics that confirm his tuition and his tuition is always right in these matters. the president is always right on economic matters. he never once counter -- factuals. >> it is extraordinary to me how intuitive he is about particularly the economics of trade. i'll give you an example. for example, his proposal -- >> because tuition was wrong -- >> let me give you an example if i may. >> okay. >> during the campaign his intuition told him that 45% tariff on all chinese goods was policy he wanted to pursue. well he had done an analytical work some years before that estimated the costs of the unfair advantages that accrued to china but all of the unfair trade practices and it was about

43%. so he gets the magnitude and scale. and i think people are missing about this president is both the courage and the vision he's had to move forward on issues. let's talk about the china issue -- >> i want to bring it up because the timing of this -- we have very low unemployment. we have wage growth for the if -- that is is increasing by the month. is this the time -- -- >> is this a time -- >> is this a time to start a trade war. >> we're not going to start a trade war. >> you don't think the chinese will punch back. >> if every time a pundit said a trade war to -- >> the president said trade war. >> but let's be clear about what we are doing here. we are defending ourselves strategically against a strategic mission by china to acquire the intellectual property and technologies of the world. and how do i know this? because if you look at the chinese 2006 medium to long range plan for science technology, they identify every major sector of the economy -- of the economy of the future and

they tell us exactly how they're going to go about getting that technology from us and from the rest of the world and china 2025 is a manifesto basically -- >> i have no doubt. but what do -- do you do -- what is our counter. >> because if you look at the press coverage. virtually everybody now agrees that china is both stealing our intellectual property and forcing the transfer of that in exchange for market access. in other words if you are an american company -- hang on. if you are -- no one -- >> go ahead. >> people in america need to understand this. if you are an american company and you go to china and you want to have access to the market, you have to have a joints venture where you are a minority partner, and you have to give them your technology. now the american corporations have done that in the past. because it means short run profits. but when you give them your technology, they become a competitor in the market in china first and then regionally and then globally and you are

out of business, that is what the president is trying to stop. >> let me ask you this. what do you say to your friends with club to growth on that view on world trade. >> my friends in my club for growth. >> i put friends in washington: i'm putting it in quotes for you. but a lot of republicans believe this, that by doing tariffs you are picking winners and losers. you decide who wins and loses in the economy which is about as -- as unfree market as you could come up with and which isn't what the republican party has been running on for last 40 years. >> and donald trump, when he was candidate trump ran against 16 republicans -- >> i no he ran -- >> and they did not support his trade policies and guess what, he got elected and beat a democrat who was a globalist free trader as well. so what does that tell you? that the american people are a lot smarter than the people in the swamp and so here is what the president -- >> but if our economic -- if the unemployment is down -- >> the president's vision here. >> and we have global growth.

>> and fair and reciprocal trade. and let's talk about the tariffs. what is the function of tariffs. we put tariffs on washing machines and solar panels in january. what happened. we have a flood of foreign investment to build factors to build solar and washing machines. and steel and aluminum tariffs, we just put those in and what happened? we're on the verge because of that of getting a historic landmark deal with south korea partly because of that initiative. >> market -- why are markets -- >> so there is a lot of things go on in the markets. i was a financial analyst for cnbc for many years and i was sitting there wednesday watching the crawler on the financial news network saying china is getting tariffs and this and that and the mark-- the market up 200 points and the fed chairman got on and announced three rate hikes bit end of the year, the market went straight down and then the facebook issues. the point, chuck, is that there is a bunch of things that go on

in the stock market. once things go down you get the program traders in. here is the thing. this president has a vision. deregulation, tax cuts, lower energy prices. balancing our trade. which is the foundation for this strongest economic growth you're going to see ever. >> i'm out of time. >> that was too much fun. >> i would love to try to finish this conversation. but my a.p. will have my neck. >> were you able -- >> we're only a third of the way through. >> did you lead me to where you wanted to go. >> i want to have you back. i appreciate you coming on. we'll be right back. are defined by the things we share. and the ones we love. who never stop wondering what we'll do or where we'll go next. we the people who are better together than we are alone...

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president? >> that's a real apples and oranges thing. one is legislation, and that's what the guns thing is about, in the states, in the congress. and whether this was in fact a kind of turning point moment. and i think, because of what you were saying before about video and the medium of the day, that these kids have figured out social media because they have grown up with it in a way. and social media is going to be what makes this happen. i happen to be teaching about that this year, and i can see it through their eyes. so yes, i would say that's lasting. as for stormy daniels, i frankly think that unless and until melania trump gets in this story, it's going to be a ratings bonanza, but the real question here is melania. the only woman frankly who can affect the narrative of donald trump is not stormy daniels, it's not any playboy model, it's

melania trump. she's out of the picture by the way right now. >> the trump administration announced they are banning bump stocks, and that will have lawsuits from the nra, we'll see if that works or if it takes legislation. but more important it keeps people from having to cast a vote. what do you think of this movement this weekend? >> that fix bill was in the omni bill. i think the march this weekend is really important, not just for legislation that you're talking about, but whether these young folks are being engaged beyond this, right? into the midterms, if they can vote, back into elections and kind of getting engaged, they're very impatient, which they think is kind of a virtue for them and seeing things a little bit differently. and bringing it back to the stormy daniels. whether people's minds are changed, they say this was all

litigated during this election season. and we're kind of in a different moment after the me too. and i don't know if you see these, we're focusing a lot onu election, and it's kind of the bigger drama surrounding the white house, that fits into the ing ing a aggregate. >> we already have an adolescent presidency, i'm not sure we want legislation for teenagers. i think it's obnoxious for schools around the country to be enthusiastic participants in furthering a political agenda. >> they're in danger, aren't

they? public schools? >> no. it's, a, the chance of being -- having one of these incidents in your school is quite small. second, any legislation that these kids could get passed, that would be zero passed, but if they did, it would have zero impact on the safety of these schools. >> i think teachers and school administrators all across the country are rightly concerned about this, and i don't think it's so much they want to make a political point or pass a specific piece of legislation, but to figure out what society and politics wants them to do about the safety of kids in schools. >> the president is not here this weekend, he just left for florida, lawmakers have already gone on a two-week recess. there's going to be a lot of people in washington, but the people they want to get to --- >> but they announced the bump stock this weekend, which is in tune with what they want to do this weekend. >> the obamaesque executive

power should be done by legislation. but with regard to the various ladies who are making news, i think there's a critical mass somewhere out there, i don't think the country's mostly angry, i think they're exhausted and embarrassed and i think this can become, you talked about suburban college educated women, have swung dramatically to the democrats and this does not help that. and this is enormously fun part of this. >> enormously what? >> well, fun. we had the playboy lady on television with her diamonds glistening on her crucifix saying after we were intimate, he offered me money and i'm not that kind of girl. >> i'll save george from further -- >> i don't think there's anything -- the whole thing is -- i don't know what to make of it. i know in our previous politics what would have done. but what i'm wondering is, the evangelical movement someday is going to regret this moment.

>> you talked about the aggregate nature of this with trump. the aggregate nature of trump is to the media too. what's happening now, kids, young people in particular are beginning to understand how to use social media as an organizing tool. and you have hash tag politics all over the place, with women, with blacks and with students. >> i'll have to end it there, it's going to be a wild weekend, a lot going on. that's why you got to tune in sunday. i'll be right back.

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whew. we could have used a second hour tonight, that's all for tonight. we'll be back with more mtp on monday, meet the press on sunday, don't miss it. we begin tonight with breaking news in the mueller probe. >> for the first time, i can tell you there are reports tonight that bob mueller is tracing the campaign email hacks back to a person inside the kremlin. we don't know if that means any new charges at any point. but this is different, because until tonight, as you may know from watching the news, all of mueller's indictments and most reporting on this probe left all of the emails to the side. that's important, because stealing emails just like stealing files in watergate is a crime. and the people who hacked the democrats was working