tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC March 23, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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knowing what you know tonight? >> don't run for president. >> i'll see you from noon until 3 p.m. eastern time tomorrow. thank you so very much for being with us. have a good weekend and good night from nbc news here in washington. this is one of those fridays when not only is today the capstone to what has been a sort of insane week of news, but you can count on the fact that it's not over. this is not the kind of week that ends on friday night. can you count on the fact that there's going to be a lot of news over this upcoming weekend as well. we shall not rest! so, it's not over. particularly good to have you with us tonight. there's a lot going on. we use the word bravery when someone is willing to step
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forward and do the hard thing do the dangerous thing. when they put themselves out there and put themselves on the line in order to do what they think must be done, we tend to call that bravery. i don't know exactly what you call it when somebody does the hard thing does the dangerous thing. because it's something that needs to be done. they believe it's necessary for the good of the country. i don't know what you call it when a person does that thing, but they do it in secret. under a cloak of -- bh somebody does the brave thing but they go out of their way to make sure nobody can find out it was them who did it. it's still bravery. but it's like the cat burglary subset of bravery. i don't know what you call it. it's like everybody steps forward and says i am sparta. it's the opposite of that. wasn't me. not me. instead of people volunteering themselves and putting themselves out there on the
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line, somebody does the right thing but nobody is willing to admit it was them. i don't know what you call that. that just happened. on russia sanctions. it's weird. you will notice we're not having a federal government shut down. that's because once again they were able to get a big federal government spending bill passed and signed at the very last minute. thus averting what would have been a government shut down. it's a big long bill. there's one section in the bill that nobody in congress nobody in either house and nobody in either party in congress, nobody will admit that they wrote it. quote, in a five-page section titled "countering russian influence and aggression," this big spending bill that got passed into law today has a bunch of new specific prohibitions on american
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taxpayer dollars going to russia. the bill adds $250 million to the countering russian influence fund. in our own government. it directs a bunch of money towards supporting democracy programs in russia. significant new sanctions against russia. and it, quote, bans the use of federal funds for entering into new contracts or new agreements to provide federal assistance to the russian federation. this is not just something that's been proposed. this was signed into law today. by the president. but nobody knows who put it in the bill. andrew wrote this up for the daily beast. they did a super headline over this headline. shh. as in don't tell anybody this happened. quote, the origin of the russia measures and spending bill remain a mystery. lawmakers are unsure as to who exactly inserted the measures into the spending bill. i am not sparta. nobody here is sparta. none of us did this. definitely wasn't us. i mean, this is some very
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specific kind of bravery that we need a new word for. this anonymous gambit in congress appears to have worked. we got new russia sanctions today. thanks to anonymous someone. it worked. for ament it looked like it wasn't going to work. the president woke everybody up with a random curve ball. what a big win it was for him. and the president said this morning i'll veto it. he then didn't veto it. he signed it at the strange event that he announced would be a press conference but it wasn't a press conference. because he signed it we didn't get a government shutdown. the government is funded for a while and, surprise, we just got a bunch of new russia sanctions written into law. and i don't know who did that. neither do you. who knows if we'll ever find out who did that. but it's not hard to recognize the reason for the secrecy on
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that. when the history of this moment and this administration is written, the record will show the last public remarks from secretary of state tillerson before he was fired and the last public remarks from h.r. mcmaster, national security adviser, before he was fired, in both of those cases the last public thing they said as government officials before the president fired them and removed them from those posts, in both of their cases, the last thing they said were comments that were very critical of russia. now tonight cnn reports beyond his public comments, the last action h.r. mcmaster took in the white house before he was fired was that he oversaw a national security process that resulted in a recommendation to the president that the united states should expel russian diplomats from the u.s. once again, this time because of the russian never agent assassination attempt that was carried out in great britain a few weeks ago.
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he reportedly oversaw that process at the national security security council, he and the national security council recommended to the president he expel russian diplomats on wednesday, and then trump fired him on thursday. and now raise your hand if you think that president trump is going to follow that recommendation and expel russian diplomats from the united states as punishment for the nerve agent poisoning that he was too afraid to bring up person to person when he spoke to vladimir putin last week. think he's going to kick out their diplomats? i mean, even if he doesn't follow that recommendation from the national security council, even if he doesn't do that, past experience suggests he won't. he, nevertheless, is going to have to implement these new sanctions and funding measures against russia. that's because somebody in a ski
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mask pried open a window, snuck in and put it in there without anyone knowing he did it. weird! even more than usual. it's been a helter skelter news cycle. major headline today was trump aides are at their wits end. reports that in the middle of president trump threatening that he was going to veto the spending bill and shut down the government.
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reporter were calling the white house to find out if he meant this. if he was serious. whether this was going to happen. white house officials had no idea what to tell reporters because they were completely blindsided. by the president's behavior today. ask friday whether he was serious about vetoing the bill. one white house official said simply who knows. that's a white house official. who knows? we also learned today that part of the surprise of the mcmaster firing last night was that white house chief of staff and other senior officials were hard at work planning an announcement that not only was mcmaster going to be fired but a bunch of other officials as well. including multiple cabinet officials. part of the surprise was that they were planning on announcing the firings at once. when all of a sudden the president got on twitter and fired mcmaster. i don't know if that makes you feel better or worse about stability in the government. it was a shock to everybody the national security adviser was fired. but only because a whole bunch of other people at senior levels
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were also supposed to be fired at the same time. and those other people haven't been fired. yet. so we're still waiting for those firings to happen. do those shoes still drop? even among white house. the firing and hiring of john bolten was timed by the president to distract from one particular interview that aired last night on cnn. and karen mcdougal discussed in detail what she says was a serious ten month long extramarital affair with the president. capped off during the presidential campaign. with a hush money deal facilitated by the president's friend. a significant campaign finance violation and it was illegal fraud by the president's personal lawyer. michael cohen. acting on the president's behalf. that interview was last night in the 8:00 hour. 90 minutes before air time is when the president announced he was firing the national security adviser. that timing, a surprise both to the national security adviser and to the guy who he announced would be getting the job next.
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and if the speculation is true within the white house is correct, that that is what drove that timing, an effort to distract from that interview. if the speculation is true. that the national security adviser to the president of the united states was fired to distract from karen mcdougal interview. heaven help us. for whatever this president and this white house are going to do to distract us this weekend. the stormy daniels is due to air sunday night on "60 minutes." what do you do to distract from the second interview? in the you have to buy me tacos staff betting pool on this. my pick is mike flynn early pardon. pardon on early sunday afternoon. i do really love tacos. it doesn't mean i'm rooting for that outcome. i'm expecting that's what we'll get. i have a square. mike flynn pardon and my timing
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early sunday afternoon. we'll see. the dow dropped another 424 points today after plunging 724 points yesterday. this latest plunge appears to be due to the president's actions. due to the president's new economic attacks on china. china saying that it will retaliate launching its own economic attacks on u.s. manufacturers and farmers. who export key products that china singles out for retaliation. pork and apples and steel pipe. all the business reporting is china is gearing up for a full-scale trade war. due to the president's actions. if so we'll look back at today
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as the initial volley of the war. the dow dropped 1,400 points. i mention this weekend is expected to be newsier than usual. that's in part because of the stormy daniels interview scheduled sunday night. it's also because of the expectation that the president or the white house might do something weird or dramatic to try to distract from the interview sunday night. it is also expected to be a very news weekend because tomorrow is expected to be a big freaking march in washington d.c. and around the country. the march against gun violence. the biggest march willing in washington. hundreds of thousands of people. 800 marches are expected around the country and the word. in solidarity with the florida school shooting survivors. on the occasion of the march the boston globe has done something interesting. this wrap around front edge op ed. i think this is very interesting. in keeping with the way the kids who survived the shooting have recentered the debate on guns and made things seem possible that six weeks ago wouldn't even be worth reconsidering, this wrap around in the "boston
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globe" also makes a case for basically not just recalibrating the debate. but recalibrating what we consider to be central information for the national debate about guns and gun violence. the fact that it's the "boston globe" is doing this is specifically important. massachusetts should be seen as america's gun violence success story. and central about approaching gun violence as a country. massachusetts has the lowest gun death rate in the country. 3.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people. which is a lot. but less than the united states. if the rest of the country emulated massachusetts and brought their rates down to massachusetts rates, that would save 27,000 american lives per
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year. 27,000 people wouldn't die. if other states were able to do what massachusetts has done. with their gun violence rate. so it's an interesting approach. the globe with this op ed section is trying to put at center of the debate what massachusetts has done right. the kinds of policy in place in massachusetts that have resulted in this best outcome. in the whole country. so other states and the federal government should think about copying it. as a best case scenario. best practice example. on the occasion of tomorrow's march whether or not you are participating in d.c. or your home state. or whether or not you know anybody going to this thing. i think it is helpful to approach the challenge being posed by the parkland survivors from base of information. framing that isn't necessarily something that it defined by the nra. they have been such a driving force in how we talk about guns in the country. that they have shaped the terms on which we think about it. think about it from the massachusetts success. on this subject instead. as the globe notes in there wrap around op-ed tomorrow, 78% of american adults don't own a gun. statistically speaking it is way more normal in america to not own a gun. 78% of american adults don't own
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a gun. half of guns nationwide are owned by 3% of americans. even among american gun owners. overwhelmingly most american gun owners support fairly serious reform on poligun policy designo reduce gun violence. i think that's why people will be surprised by the number of people who turn out in the streets tomorrow. the people will turn out in dc and the number of people in these hundreds of events around the country. and there have been some small changes. there were modest gun reforms signed into law in the nra friendly state of florida. where the shooting happened. in the big spending bill the president got all weird about but then ultimately signed today. there is a provision in the bill to undo the prohibition that has stopped the centers for disease control from studying gun violence. that enforced ignorance provision in u.s. law isn't the most important thing in term of gun safety but it is something. people have been complaining about it.
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nobody was able to change it before now. it has just changed. the president has decided part he wants to work on is bump stocks. an after market accessory you can attach to the semiautomatic rifle to make it fire faster. the justice department will pursue regulations to ban or more strictly regulate those accessories. so the nra would have you believe that any new gun regulation, any gun safety reform is the end of the constitution and therefore impossible for us to imagine. impossible to even hope for, right? we're about to find out what is possible if you stop listening to them and start listening to literally everybody else who is affected by gun violence in this country. and tomorrow is a big part of
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that. sku and on that subject, a sort of strange thing emerged. concerning john bolton. the man who president trump announced yesterday as the new national security adviser. since that announcement reporter tim mac turned up a strange video. this video from 2013. featuring john bolton. can we drop the lower third on the screen. thank you. i want to play a tiny bit. you have to see the subtitles. while he's talking. >> thank you for this opportunity. to address the russian people on the 20th anniversary of the adoption of the russian constitution. today, you're engaged in historic debate about the possible expansion of your freedom, should the russian people have the right to bear arms. >> you see the subtitles in russian. npr reporting today on what they're calling john bolton's curious appearance in a russian gun rights video. this video from 2013. he is associated with the nra. at one point he was a member of
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the nra international affairs subcommittee. 2013 he appeared in this video. that was directed to a russian audience. it wasn't just a generic video supporting the concept of gun rights in russia. it was a video made on behalf of a russian group called the right to bear arms that was founded by a russian politician named alexander torshin. he has spent several years cultivating strong and sketchy ties with the nra in the united states. including deputy speaker of the russian parliament. and internal security services. and to according to reporting by mcclatchy several weeks ago, the fbi is investigating whether this russian politician and his group, the right to bear arms, somehow illegally funneled russian money into the trump
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campaign in 2016. using the nra as their conduit. now, as you know we have already had one trump national security adviser end up in an fbi investigation into russian influence in the trump campaign. that didn't end well. now it appears we have another. and it's not just the gun thing. he may find himself in the middle of that investigation. not just on the nra russia money side of it. also because of this. this is an ad that john bolton made for his super pac. imaginatively named the john bolton super-pac. between spring 2014 and fall of 2016 bolt on super pac received $5 million from robert mercer. the biggest of the trump donors
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and funder behind steve bannon projects including breitbart. and cambridge analytica. he got $5 million from mercer. what did he spend that on? well, more than a million dollar he shoveled back to robert mercer. shoveled back to cambridge analytica. he used mercer's money to hire cambridge analytica, which is also funded by robert mercer. he's taking money from mercer and spending it at another mercer-funded entity. the reason cambridge analytica is so controversial right now. they fired their ceo this week and under investigation and sparked facebook and this country. is because of new revelations from a cambridge analytica
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whistle blower. who says the firm used illicitly acquired facebook data from tens of millions americans to run the core business of the operation. in the case of john bolton's super pac? cambridge analytica reportedly used that american facebook data to make ads for candidates who bolton supported. but also appear to have used bolton's pac as a way to try to get more americans data off of facebook. the times reviews the agenda of a 2014 meeting. where the company explained the company wanted to use the voter contact list to direct people toward the facebook app. that would be the facebook app that cambridge analytica used to rip off personal data from 50 million americans. who never consented to their facebook stuff being used in that way. the associated press reports that special counsel robert mueller is scrutinizing cambridge analytica. and connection to the donald trump campaign. so, this is the third donald trump national security adviser. whatever you thought of michael
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flynn and hr mcmaster. now that he's out, you should know the new guy is going to start that job with potential entanglement in two different fbi inquiries. one into the nra. and whether the nra was a conduit for russian money into the trump campaign. and one into cambridge analytica. and what its role was during the trump campaign including its relationship to the russian attack. being national security adviser is a hard job. being national security advise ir while being personally linked to two ongoing fbi counter intelligence investigations, that's not just going to be hard. that's going to be awkward. but there's a lot more to get to tonight. about john bolton. and a rip roaring story involving an attempt at a $10,000 secret political pay off. secretly recorded phone calls that we have and will play and a sad sick horse in alabama. i kid you not. it's friday. friday nights are always weird now. stay with us. lots to come. ♪ ♪
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i'm a dog person. i didn't grow up that way. now i have a dog. it's a central thing in my life. one thing i learned about having a dog if the dog needs to take medicine, the dog need to take a pill, you can't talk the dog into taking the pill. you have to hide it in something awesome. i know some people do it with peanut butter.
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i'm sort of partial to burying the pill in cheese, or maybe a little snausage or something. today i learned that if your you're a horse person, when you have this the same problem of needing your animal to take medicine, it's a bigger problem than it is with dog because you can't solve it with cheese or a snausage. because horses are big and the amount of medicine they have to take is often very big too. you need to take more drastic measures. i learned this today because of steve bannon. i learned this today from a recording of a phone call that was released by the "washington post." >> i'm actually stressed. i'm about to crush up the pills
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horse with as welling. their conversation happened this past november. november 2017 in the middle of the astounding special u.s. election. electing a democrat. the conversation about the horse pill and sledge hammer. it took place a few days after a woman had gone public with the eyebrow raising accusation. that the republican candidate in the senate race had initiated a sexual encounter with her when she was 14 years old. and he was 32. that taped conversation between eddie sexton the horse guy. and the reason this recording was leased by the "washington post" tonight. is because that conversation concerns a fairly jaw dropping new story line in the scandal. which involves former white house chief strategist steve bannon. the horse cure the lawyer is describing at the beginning of the call is throughout this taped phone call that lays ou the plot, so central to the story. throughout the call, you will hear the very loud sound of eddy crushing up horse pills with a sledge hammer. you'll hear them talking about this plot. then the bang bang through the call. that's the sledge happen hammer of the pills.
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you can really meet him whenever. that's fine. bang. what they're talking about there is the prospect of meeting up with steve bannon. at the time he was no longer in the white house. he was the editor in chief of breitbart news. bannon and breitbart were huge boosters of the candidacy in alabama for roy moore. they helped them beat luther strange in the republican primary. then when it came to the general election and moore is facing all of these accusations, this is the story laid out tonight in "the washington post." leigh corfman, she went public with her story in early november. she turned to eddy sexton the childhood friend. to be her lawyer.
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to help her manage the media scrutiny that was sure to follow. a couple days after the story became public, eddy sexton's long-time friend, the guy we heard him talking to on the phone, a roy moore supporter. he got in touch with eddy and asked him to meet up. he brought along his business partner. davey mentioned he knew steve bannon. the executive wanted to talk about whether his lawyer eddy sexton would say publicly he didn't believe the accusations from leigh corfman. sexton says gary or told him he could collect $10,000 and possibly more if he did that. eddy sexton said he was disturbed by the offer was intrigued by the offer to meet steve bannon. he said he had the money for him. but then other people entered the picture. quote, matt boyle, the
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washington bureau chief of breitbart news joined them. minutes later the jerusalem bureau chief joined them. on the table was a notebook open to page that contained the handwritten statement that he was expected to sign. the one disavowing this accusation from his client. he said they started discussing the possibility of issuing a statement. undermining his credibility. he told them he didn't see any way he could make a statement disparaging his client. he would lose his law license if he did. and hadn't even asked about the details of her accusations. the breitbart guys tell me that's not really the point of whether or not anybody believes you. it's just getting other information out there. the statement which eddy sexton provided the post. they wanted him to sign. said this. it's handwritten as you can see.
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after reviewing the allegations after taking my client there's no sufficient evidence to back them um and the case strain credulity. i decided since i would have difficulty representing a client i don't believe in. i have to recuse myself have the -- off the case. i wish lee the best. that's the statement they wrote for him and tried to sign. offered him ten grand to sign. he never signed that. later that day he recorded a phone call. with his buddy. >> did they pay y'all money? >> no. make a little bit. make money now. it's the implication now and down the line we'll go to d.c. "washington post" spoke to both. for this story.
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this statement, they acknowledged a meeting between the two lawyers but wouldn't say whether any money was offered. and they tracked down video evidence of them at a roy moore fund-raiser. rand paul hosted. and they appeared to basically be roy moore's wing men in an event in success jackson, alabama later that month. roy moore said they had attended rallies but the campaign wasn't involved in any effort to, quote, pays the lawyer. a spokesman for steve bannon said that mr. bannon could not be reached for comment on this matter. this is an incredible story. the reporter who broke this story joins us next.
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and a chance to hang out with recently ousted white house official steve bannon if he would drop his client and publicly say that her allegations against roy moore were a lie. the lawyer also has recordings of his phone calls to back up his story. incredible reporting from "the washington post" tonight led by investigative reporter shawn bobu boburg. thank you very much for being with us. congratulations on a truly bizarre scoop. >> thanks for having me. >> why is the story coming out now? >> the lawyer, eddie sexton, was reluctant to talk about this for months. considered going public before the election, but he spoke with leigh corfman and he told us that she preferred that nothing that he did be perceived as an effort to influence the results of the election. and there were also some other complications. these two men happened to be his clients in a small civil case. and so he had some concerns
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about whether he wanted to go public. another factor was that gary lantrip, the man on the tape, is a long-time friend they've known for decades, which is why they spoke so frankly. >> if there weren't money involved, some guys who knew each other and they were trying to talk each other into playing a specific role around this that took some negotiation, that would itself be an interesting human drama in alabama in the middle of the story. but there's this $10,000, this figure that surfaces in your story. how much were you able to tell about the reality of that offer? was $10,000 secured? was it available to be paid? do we know who put that money up, if we believe the money was
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really there? that would seem to make it a much more serious matter, potentially a criminal matter. >> that's a huge question. i can tell you that eddie sexton in the recent interviews we did with him over the course of many weeks, extensive interview, truly believes that his friend, gary lantrip, was offering and was prepared to give him $10,000. a huge unanswered question, of course, is where would this money have come from? an interesting fact here is that gary lantrip and bert davey, have never donated as far as we can tell to any election in alabama or federally. so these are two men who don't customarily reach into their own pockets to help a campaign and have not been politically active. so it does raise the question why money was brought up in this context, in this particular case. >> and the other thing they were offering was a chance to spend
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time with steve bannon. actually with the implication that maybe even some work, some paid work might derive from a contact with steve bannon. is there any reason to believe these guys actually knew steve bannon or had contact with him? >> well, when you listen to this tape, you could easily dismiss this as a guy who is just puffering, a guy who is boasting but doesn't really have these connections. one of the things that we were surprised to find after we listened to the tape and brought the, you know, a reasonable amount of skepticism to it was that these videos surfaced where both gary lantrip and burt davey -- both spoke about burt davey's close relationship with
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steve bannon. though they wouldn't discuss the origin of that relationship or the nature, they were both comfortable talking about his relationship with steve bannon. >> i feel like i just want to follow you around because you keep stumbling upon really interesting stories while you're reporting. congratulations on the school. >> thank you. >> much more to come tonight. what a weird day. stay with us. what does it take to make digital transformation actually happen? it takes dell technologies,
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mcmaster, and i've heard kelly likes bolton, we're all going to die. that was from the former national security adviser to vice president joe biden. well, now that that's actually happened, now that mcmaster is not just out but john bolton is in to replace him, mr. kahl isn't saying, okay, we're all dead now but he is making a very considered, sober, well thought out argument but just like that initial tweet, it's about as serious as a heart attack. joining us is colin kohl. thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate your time. >> great to be with you. >> you alarmed me because i respect your experties and i think of you as a non-hyperbolic
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person and you were setting off an alarm that john bolton would be not just worrying but a terrifying choice. >> the tweet was a little bit black humor in a dark moment. but i think there are genuine concerns about bolton. there seems to basically be a bolton playbook that goes back, frankly, to the iraq war. and that goes something like this -- take a threat, hype it, base it on questionable intelligence, define it as imminent and existential, say that diplomacy is a fool's errand, especially with rogue regimes and claim that the only answer is military action, including preventive military action and regime change. and that was the play that bolton supported in the bush administration toward iraq and he supports towards north korea and iran today. >> he has argued in his many appearances on fox news and in on-e -- op-eds, that we would b
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perfectly justified with starting wars, with union llatey to just bomb them and end the regimes in those countries by starting wars. how do you know in john bolton or in anyone whether a person is making an argument like that from the safety of an op-ed writer's position and whether somebody actually having the influence to bring an end like that about might be more cautious? how can you tell? >> well, in this particular case, i think we have a track record of him making the same arguments inside government when he worked for the bush administration, first as an undersecretary at the state department and then as the u.s. ambassador to the united nations and then he's consistently made it out of government. it the exact same arguments he's making today about north korea and iran, he was making about the entire axis of evil as george bush called them back in
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2002. the concern journalists have is we're entering an extraordinarily sentence time over the next two months. we have the president going to meet kim jong un and believes this only happened so that we can get on with the bombing as soon as possible. and then on iran the president also has to decide in mid may, whether to -- trump threatened he wouldn't do that again unless europe and congress fixed the the agreement and bolton just thinking trump should get out of it. so coming in may, about six weeks essentially, we could have a train wreck on two pretty big national security issues. >> colin koahal, i wanted to tak
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with you to get your opinion but i don't feel any better. thanks for being here tonight. >> thanks. president trump has said it's a good idea that these pointless conversations will be over as soon as possible and we can move on to what he wants to do. seriously, we'll be right back. we came with big appetites. with expedia, you could book a flight, hotel, car, and activity all in one place. ♪
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i knew we couldn't get through the night without it. we have had what i think too many times a late friday night news dump from the white house. last summer president trump tweeted he was going to ban transgender troops from the military. a judge blocked it. the first new openly trans recruit just signed up a couple weeks ago. tonight not a tweet but a white house memo announcing what looks like a new attempt by president trump to kick transgender service members out of the military. this news is super pressure. we are still figuring out what it means, but it appears they are going back at this late at night on a friday. this new policy appears to try to allow some transgendered service members to be grandfathered in but it looks like it also restricts access to
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the medical treatment and ability to sign up for military service in the first place. it's a tweak to the first policy announced by tweet, just announced by the president, they just put out this memo. i'm sure this will be in court before i'm finished with this commercial break. we'll be right back.
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against gun violence are leading what is expected to be a huge march in d.c. tomorrow. hundreds of other satellite march >> good evening. i will be out on the streets tomorrow talking to the students through the march. some of them will join me in the studio when it's over. i will be doing the 9:00 hour on msnbc with our coverage. but rachel, you stopped me cold in the middle of your tv show
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