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words for hillary clinton. and tells the national party she doesn't care what they think. and from generation to generation, movement to movement, we'll talk about an inflection point of protest in washington with civil rights icon john lewis. but first we are awaiting the video of stormy daniels' interview, but tonight cbs has released the transcript. some of it is what you might expect, the claims of stormy daniels, a successful porn star who said she and donald trump had sex once in 2006. they met, she says, at a golf event in tahoe. according to daniels, they stayed in touch. daniels claiming trump even made her watch shark week in 2007 in a hotel room with him. flash forward to 2011 when danlds agrees to tell her story to a magazine, and according to her trump attorney michael cohen threatens to sue. we were anticipating this story

from her attorney michael avenatti. >> were you threat ened in any way? >> yes. >> was she threatened physical harm? >> yes. >> here's how stephanie clifford, which is stormy daniels' real name, explains that chapter to 60 minutes. she says, quote, i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter, taking, you know, the seats facing backwards in the back seat, diaper bag, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said, quote, leave trump alone, forget the story. he looked around at my daughter and said, quote, that's a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. and then she says he was gone. daniels said she took the exchange as a direct threat after trump won the republican nomination daniels says cohen reached out with that now infamous $130,000 offer of payment which came with a nondisclosure agreement. the story broke 15 months later

in "wall street journal" hours before the president was sworn into office. the white house has always denied the allegations the president had an affair with daniels and when asked what she would say if the president were watching, danliels said, quote, he knows i'm telling the truth. joining me politico author jake sherman. managing director for hamilton play strategies michael steel. "the new york times" political reporter ken vogel. secretary to the secretary of defense and nbc national security analyst. and in new york civil rights and employment attorney nancy erica smith. we should mention that she represented former fox news anchor gretchen carlson in her harassment lawsuit against former fox news ceo roger ailes. thank you all for being here tonight. it is quite a remarkable evening. and while all of us were -- as everyone in washington has been

talking about this off-set before we all started, this is a story the details of which we largely -- they all lineup with this in touch magazine story, ken vogel. however, this is still an adult film star on 60 minutes, a nationwide platform. it is in many ways what we would define as a seminal moment. the trump administration has not had many of these because they seem to fly by so fast. put this -- is this going to matter? what does this mean? >> short answer, i would predict, no, it's not going to matter and that's because of what you just said. we have a scandal of the moment, at every moment, and trump largely seems to be immune from any serious repercussions and his supporters, the folks in his base, have shown a willingness to forgive all manner of indiscretions or behaviors or statements that would sink otherwise more traditional politicians. i'm not really sure that this, despite the fact that it is real

-- really a remarkable moment. even though as you suggested the allegations are mostly out there will shed new light and extend the story, certainly the way that trump has denied this and the way that his lawyers have been aggressive in pursuing stormy daniels, have extended the story but ultimately i see it simmering at a low boil while all this other stuff swirls around us. >> michael, you're laughing. >> i disagree. the real question here is whether there is a campaign finance violation. >> okay. >> the president in matters of public perception has been able to skate by because people think of him as a celebrity, not as a politician, he's treated by as such by the public and not the news media. it's tough to see how this does president rise to the level of a serious campaign violation. >> nancy, can i get you to weigh in on that perspective by michael wright? >> we know donald trump is going

to be deposed in the zervos case. he's called stormy daniels a lawyer. i wouldn't be surprised to see him sued for defamation. these issues are important because he'll be deposed under oath as bill clinton was. under oath if he denies this and there is evidence that it's true, now he's a perjurer, a criminal. it is dangerous for him. it is more important for our country to think about having a president who is able to buy secrets for himself, whether his friends in the media buy secrets to catch and kill stories, and then he can call the rest of the media fake media. or whether he's just buying secrecy about information that he has already told us is important. how did he tell us? he had a press conference with all of bill clinton's accusers at the debate with hillary clinton shaming his wife, shaming bill clinton's wife. he shamed uma abedin about anthony weiner. he tweeted gleefully about al franken, who is no longer a

senator for doing much less than summer zervos alleges and women in this country are more than 50% of the population. so, even his base may start to chip away now that we know that he is possibly lying. summer zervos is going to be able to depose him. or that he -- you know, it fits that he doesn't treat women well. he admits it. he admits grabbing women by their genitals against their will, and he admits sneaking into the miss universe contest so he can look at young women getting dressed. >> right. >> why aren't we surprised? >> one thing you said you talked about the idea that people might start to care. just to go back to what we were just talking about, jake and evelyn, i'd like you to weigh in on this. we are waiting for the video. this woman is sitting down with anderson cooper and she relates a story, and the quote here says she picked up -- he showed her a

magazine with himself on the cover and she says, someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. she says this on camera. and then once she actually does it, which she relates and explains, anderson cooper asks her, well, what did he say then? and she says, he became more comfortable, quote, wow, you are special he told her. you remind me of my daughter. these kinds of things keep going. anderson cooper asked, did he use a condom. she says no. this is the president of the united states. are these clips of this really not going to impact the debate? >> i actually have a hard time processing all of this, but i think that -- >> i think i do, too. >> so, i do think, though, that if i am a democrat running against republicans for any seat around the country in 2018, i would run these clips and run clips of the president firing everybody in his sight and say,

listen, this guy is -- represents chaos. our government is in chaos. we have a porn star coming out of practically all over the place saying the president had relationships with them. he fires people every week. and, say listen, i am democrat x and i am going to restore sanity to washington. i mean, it's a compelling message when you have -- i mean, let's see this for what it is. a porn star and a play boy model at the same time accusing the president of affairs. so, i just think there has to be a way for democrats to capitalize on this. >> and, just to keep it a little bit in the moment, evelyn, i'd like you to weigh in, too. melania trump staying in florida amid all this. there is a component for the family here as well. >> i think there are a couple things. i agree with jake the whole idea of bring us back to normalcy, normality, you know, no more of this chaos. the fact that his personal life has this element of chaos in it,

it will be disturbing to voters, especially female voters. the other thing that bothers me with this, if it's true there is this muscle being applied to her -- >> right. >> to stormy daniels or stephanie clifford, that i think will be a problem. and if there is a pattern of muscle in addition to the, you know, trying to quiet these women with legal efforts and then, of course, the campaign violation, this added piece of potentially intimidating them, using the muscle, if that's happened beyond this one case, if indeed it did happen in this case, i think that's a problem. >> okay. we are also learning this nugget from 60 minutes from the transcript of the stormy daniels interview and it's from her lawyer michael avenatti. so, this is him being quoted. he says the nondisclosure agreement that daniels signed in 2016 when she was represented by another lawyer was sent to trump's attorney, michael cohen, at his office in trump tower. avenatti reads the cover letter

and goes on to surmise what he thinks it means. saying, quote, to mr. cohen as executive vice-president and special counsel to donald j. trump, the trump organization, again -- listing the 5th avenue address -- this idea that there is a separation between mr. cohen individually and the trump organization or mr. cohen individually and donald trump, it's nonsense. so, again, the lawyer is talking about the fact that in the wake of all of this -- and, ken vogel, campaign finance law is your area of specialty. one of the ways cohen has argued back against this is to say, essentially, look, i made this payment in my personal capacity, nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the campaign, nothing official at all. what the lawyer is saying here effectively is no, actually, that money was paid in an official way. >> in an official way if it is done an official way through the company it is potentially problematic. where you have you would have the potential finance campaign violation is if trump reimbursed cohen for the payment and did

not disclose it as a payment that he was making to benefit his own campaign, it wouldn't be illegal for him to reimburse -- >> he didn't disclose it, right? >> no one disclosed it that we know of unless there was some way that they passed it through an entity that is not indicating what its ultimate purpose is. we do know michael cohen complained, i guess it's been reported the president complained, is that right? >> michael cohen complained -- first of all, michael cohen according to "the wall street journal" said he was trying to get in touch with the president before making this payment. and then he complained he hadn't been reimbursed, doesn't specify by whom for the payment after the fact. once which get into this area of campaign finance law, you know, eyes glaze over, a, and b, there is not a whole lot of enforcement. the federal action commission is going to charge in here like the new sheriff in town. >> not effective. right. >> they'll come down with a reconciliation agreement, $5,000 fine, you know.

this is not -- i think the optics are more problematic than the campaign finance legal issues here. as i said, i think that the optics just feed into this narrative that would have brought down any other politician, could be helpful for democrats in the midterms, but it's hard to see it really damaging this guy who has been so teflon for so many of these really -- >> you're shaking your head. >> yeah, it feeds into this impression of low-rent thugishness and sleaze that surround the the entire trump organization prior to his election and continues to pop up in odd ways as we see his presidency, whether it's financing from abroad, projects overseas, whether it's continuing talks about hush money to play boy, play mates and pornographic film stars. >> michael, you worked for boehner. clearly there's been a certain level of assortedness in politics. we all have our flaws. but i do not recognize this as the republican party that i have

covered for many years. >> i don't recognize this as the american political system as we've known it. >> exactly. >> for the entire two centuries of our country. we elected the first president in american history with no military experience, first reality tv president, we've been sucked into this cesspool of mall. >> is there a point where republicans say to you and i publicly what they say in private? >> we are getting a lot of republican members of congress go home, and the problem isn't how much they stuck to donald trump. they get in trouble for not supporting him enough, which is a tough spot to be in. i do want to echo what mike said because he's right. boehner pushed people out of the house of representatives for taking a photo with their shirt off and for things that were a lot more mild than hush payments to porn stars. so -- >> paul ryan is doing the same

thing now in the house. >> he's pushed people out or has attempted to. not as successful as boehner, of course. >> mr. farenthold is holding on for some reason. >> if it gets to a point -- i don't think it's a useful exercise to guess about what bob mueller is doing. but if it gets to a point where there is a report or there is some information from mueller that indicates some sort of crime, i think that's when you see republicans start talking out. i think that's the only point. >> we have clearly a lot to talk about here. but we have to take a break. still to come on "kasie d.c.," we are going to talk about massive staff shake ups in the president's orbit. plus congressman john lewis, ambassador andrew young and senator claire mccaskill. and we'll have some breaking news from congressman ryan costello. we're back after this.

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we are going to be back to stormy daniels and our conversation around that in just a second. but i do want to do this quick breaking news because in the era of president trump, another republican moderate is saying that he will not seek reelection. congressman ryan costello of pennsylvania will not be running for his seat again. i talked to him moments ago to ask him why he's making that decision. are you going to be seeking reelection in pennsylvania 6th district? >> yeah, it's the most decision i can recall having to make, but the answer is i will not be. >> explain that. >> well, there's a number of factors. i have, i have an 8 month old, i

have a 4-year-old. it's a very challenging job serving in congress with a young family. i accepted that and had planned on running for reelection in the congressional district that i've served for the past 3 1/2 years. what happened was the state supreme court then, in a matter of a week or so, decided to invalidate the map the first time in the history of the republic where a state supreme court has done that. and ultimately altered the district. >> we're going to have our full interview on that in our 8:00 hour. we'll talk a little bit to jake sherman at some point. but i do want to get back to stormy daniels since i have a long list of things we haven't even talked about. i want to take a look a little bit at this piece that came out in "the new york times" today. it gimz you a behind the scenes color as to what daniels is as a business woman. the times writes, quote, she's the boss and everyone knew it. anyone a heartily, one of the longest working performers said

about miss clifford. the renaissance porn star, said ron jeremy, once perhaps the most famous porn star of all, quote, she was a very serious business woman and a film maker and had taken the reigns of her career, said the director of her cameos in the comedies knocked up and the 40-year-old virgin. she is not someone to be underestimated. nancy, you read through this piece which i was -- i have to say riveted to this morning, and it paints a picture of somebody who is beyond the caricatures, all our kye rons and headlines say the president and the porn star, and you have all of they'd conceptions about what that means. but this shows somebody who grew up in a bad neighborhood, came from not very much, and quite frankly has done much more than just star in these films. >> right, she's an equestrian, she competes as an equestrian. she is obviously a very devoted

mother. she's taken herself well into the middle class. she's a writer, a film maker, a cinemaing to ra fer. she's well respected by the people who work for and with her. so she does. that's why i call her an adult entertainment star because it is diminishing sort of to just call her a porn star. that might be why donald trump was attracted to her, but she's actually much more than that. >> well, and actually to that point, i want to go back to -- i may have lost it in my pile of papers here. but one of the things that she actually says in this interview, again, is -- explains why he wanted to start up some sort of relationship with her, and it goes back to this story about spanking him with the magazine, which is something, an incident that causes him to respect her, and that changes the tenor of their conversation, evelyn farkas. you remind me of my daughter. you're smart, a woman to be ricardo with and i like you.

>> in several of the interviews, because there is also the interview that she did back in i think 2011 or so in the insight magazine, and there also she makes it clear that she felt like he was attracted to her beyond her initial attraction of the looks. once they got to know each other, once they started talking, because of her intelligence. so, that does seem to matter for him. >> one other thing i do want to touch on, though, before we go to break here is the question of her credibility. and in this interview she is pressed repeatedly about statements that she signed that have denied that the affair ever happened. there have been different versions of one of them went out with what appeared to be a fake signature. jimmy kimmel talked to her about that. she essentially says, ken vogel, that she felt bullied and intimidated and this is why she said she agreed to put out statements that essentially were false. how does that -- first of all, how will it play with the public and how will it play in a court of law as well? >> in a court of law it could be

tricky. we've seen donald trump apply aggressive tactics, employ aggressive tactics on his behalf to back down accusers. >> the intimidation thing we were talking about. >> certainly. i think that intimidation thing and that explanation she felt bullied and intimidated would probably pass muster with a lot of people. people would hear that and look at donald trump, yeah, i can buy that. and the other thing i would say is that like, look who you're going up against here, donald trump does not actually have the best, most consistent record when it comes to keeping his stories straight. you have to compare. it's a relative debate between these two people. there probably are a lot of people who would take her side over his. >> you doipt want to put someone in this industry up as a role model. in the me too current environment, the story of a powerful man dangling the possibility of a reward, dangling the possibility of a spot on the celebrity apprentice, a mainstream role in front of her in order to pursue a sexual relationship is something that is going to resonate with a lot of people.

this is a fairly classic story in a lot of ways. >> it is a lot like the harvey weinstein story. even though of course we're not saying he assaulted her or anything like that. but it's the same dynamic, using the power and the allurements. >> evelyn farkas, if you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. just ahead, march for our lives rallies worldwide send a strong message about gun reform. will the massive turnout actually shift the gun conversation? plus. >> i am not here to defend donald trump. but my job is not to go after donald trump, and i'm not going to get distracted by focusing on him because i've got to focus on the people at home who are really frustrated and angry at washington. and they're frustrated that we seem to be so caught up in the chaos of the porn star that we're -- we're forgetting they can't afford to send their kids to college. >> we'll talk to senator claire mccaskill about that and why she says she doesn't care what the

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senator claire mccaskill is widely seen as one of the most

endangered democrats up for reelection in the mid terms this year, possibly the most endangered. when i sat down with her this week, she didn't just have tough words for president trump, but for hillary clinton and the national democratic party, too. i started by asking her about the president and whether or not she thinks he's a stable leader. >> the term stable is a loaded term where it makes me a little uncomfortable to go there. and keep in mind that my feet hit the ground every day, not figuring out how i can fight donald trump, but how i can fight for missourians. so, i see this as a duly elected president who i disagree with on many, many things and, frankly, disagree with his demeanor, disagree with how he conducts himself in terms of his personality. but at the end of the day, i've got to stay focused on those places where i can actually get something done for the people

that i represent. >> you're not willing to say that you think president trump is a stable leader? >> i don't think it's productive for me to go there. i'm just not going to do it. >> some of your republican colleagues tweeted this week after the president used mueller's name in a series of tweets. jeff flake saying, our only constitutional remedy is after the fact if mueller fires trump, through impeachment. do you agree if the president fires bob mueller, should he be impeached? >> i'm not going to prejudge facts that might occur in the future. but i will say this. i spent many years as a prosecutor and having traveled the world, i know that we are admired for our freedoms. we are admired for our military prowess. we are admired for our free economy. but we are really admired for our rule of law. and the notion this president seems to think that the attorney general is his lawyer and that somehow this should all be bent to his will and that loyalty should be expected, the only

thing the attorney general of the united states should be loyal to is the constitution, period, end of discussion. and so i do think it's a crisis that this president doesn't understand that bright line that has made our rule of law the envy of the world. >> do you think the president has followed the rule of law in connection with the instances where he may have offered payments to women or potentially threatened women, stormy daniels the adult film star says that she should be able to speak. do you think she should be able to tell her story? >> i think it all depends on the facts of the case and obviously that is going to be litigated now. if, in fact, there was a nondisclosure agreement that she entered into without any fraud or misrepresentation, you know, then it might be possible the courts would say she is bound by it. on the other hand, if there was misrepresentation or fraud or if the parties that signed the agreement weren't the parties

that are seeking to enforcement agreement, then i think those are issues for the courts. i am troubled that anybody who is in an important public position in our country has so many nondisclosure agreements evidently out there. >> you called on al franken to resign after that photo was posted of him groping a woman. do you think that president trump should resign based on the allegations against him? >> in fairness, kasie, i didn't call on him to resign after a photo. i called on him to resign after seven different women have come forward. >> more women have come forward on president trump. >> let me finish. some of which came forward about conduct that occurred after he had been on the ballot for united states senate. he had acknowledged some of his conduct and that's why i thought it was important, if we were going to have the high ground as it related to roy moore, then that obviously is important. i'm not sure all of this was

known to people when he was elected. unfortunately with president trump, a lot of this was out there before he was elected. a lot of this was known to the public that this is not a guy who had been faithful to his wife or respected women -- >> voters know it's okay? >> obviously they voted for him and you have to have respect for the voters here. i don't like how donald trump behaves. i particularly don't like his rhetoric towards women and how he has treated women and all these incidents trouble me a lot. but i am also very respectful of the voters. >> let's talk a little bit about your campaign, which is a tough one in missouri. there is an ad from your opponent, josh holly, that features the words of hillary clinton you endorsed in 2016. if you look at the map of united states, that's all the red in the middle where trump won. he's quoting hillary clinton who also said, so, i won the places

that are optimistic, diverse, and moving forward. were these comments from hillary clinton helpful to you? >> probably not. i understand the point she was trying to make. but it felt like she was criticizing missouri voters, and i would draw -- talking about drawing a line, i would draw a line there. i have great respect for missouri voters and there are a lot of reasons they voted for donald trump. some of which i completely understand. frustration is a powerful motivator. and if you've played by the rules and worked hard all your life and you're further behind this year than you were ten years ago, no wonder you want something completely different. so, i get that. so, no, it wasn't helpful. i think it was wrong how she put it. i think it certainly is being taken out of context, which, you know, but she knows things that you say are taken out of context. so, for those of us that are in states that trump won, we would really appreciate if she would

be more careful and show respect to every american voter and not just the ones who voted for her. >> do you think the national party understands what happe's on with your vote nerz missoursy are feeling so much pain? >> i don't know. i don't care. i could care less about what the national party is doing. aren't you worried about the national democratic party message? no, i'm not. i don't care what the national democratic party message is. i care about the fact that pharmaceutical companies have unbri unbridled greed that are totally ripping off missourians in terms of drug prices. they're getting wind falls from the tax bill. they're continuing to raise the prices of drugs. i care about the fact 61% of rural missourians have dial up broadband. you talk about creating jobs. there are a lot of things i care about and i'm going to talk about those.

but the national stuff, eh. >> don't care. senator elizabeth warren was critical of you for voting in favor of legislation to loosen restrictions on banks put in place by the dodd-frank law. what do you say back to her in response of that criticism? >> i think some of the criticism was just flat wrong and some of it was unfair. but you're talking to somebody who is not afraid to say i'm a moderate. i proudly claim that. i think we need more moderates around here because it's the moderates who get things done. you know, we can stand on opposite sides of the room and scream at each other, but it's like a sugar high. you don't really accomplish anything. it's the people who are willing to come to the middle and compromise on a bipartisan basis. i mean, that's how we've -- that's how we did the sex trafficking bill. that's how i got some things done for veterans that hadn't gotten done in decades. it's by talking to republicans, finding common ground, and actually moving the needle on things that help people in their lives. so, i am very comfortable that

we did nothing that will cause another economic crisis. i am very comfortable we did nothing that is capitulating to the big guys on wall street. i am very comfortable that we helped small community banks and credit unions survive and thrive, and that is good for the consumer. and so i would disagree with elizabeth warren, but i'm used to both sides of the equation hollering at me. i think i was the only senator in america at one point, i had the far left and the far-right both on tv against me at the same time. >> our thanks to senator claire mccaskill for that interview. michael steel, i thought it was a pretty revealing conversation. she is an incredibly difficult place in month. >> she's trying to straddle a stra straddle that can't be strategylestrateg straddled. she knows her state. she got elected in bush's second term on popularity. she was reelected in 2012.

this is a big ugly competitive race she's going to have. you know what's going to be tough, she knows it's going to be tough and she can't figure out how to play it to keep democratic enthusiasm high by being against the president, while also not alienating the moderates she's going to need to win that state. >> it seems like a functionally impossible task. it's kind of the reverse of what we saw with ryan costello who is essentially saying i can't possibly, the redistricting aside, he was still going to have a tough race in a suburban district. we'll hear a little more from him later in the show. he essentially says i can't possibly respond to all of the stuff about trump every day, but i can't attack him either. >> he's basically saying that forget what my party is saying. tax reform is not going to win us -- you know, keep the house for us. we have a president who says inopportune things at inopportune times, and in districts like his, you're right, redistricting really did not help him. but in these suburban districts where republicans said -- a lot of them, according to polling and according to what we've seen

anecdotally and fact based reporting, they held their nose and voted for a presidential candidate. yes, trump is off color sometimes, but he will cut our taxes, he will cut regulations. i think around the country in some of these suburban districts outside of cities in ohio and in new york. i just think that you will see this kind of revolt play out across the country. it's going to be tough for republicans to keep a lot of those districts. >> speaking of revolts, i want to turn -- no, but in seriousness, i want to turn to the hundreds of thousands of students and parents in americans who marched across the country yesterday to call for something to be done about gun violence in america. we sent our producer kendall bright man to ask this simple question. who are you marching for? >> i'm marching for parkland. >> i am marching for parkland. >> for the students at parkland. >> for stoneman douglas. >> the sandy hook kids. >> for my daughter mackenzie. >> for my daughter. >> for my daughter. >> for nimy nieces and nephews.

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eastern right after we wrap up the second hour of "kasie d.c." congressman, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i so appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman, we showed you speaking there at the march in your area, atlanta. what does this mean to you, what you saw yesterday? put it into perspective. you have a perspective that very few of us can match. >> well, what i saw yesterday took me back when i was much younger in 1955. i had heard of rosa parks, i had heard of martin luther king, jr. the words of rosa parks and dr. king inspired me. i was so inspired i wanted to find a way to get involved. so, i wrote dr. king a letter in 1957 when i was 17 years old,

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the way the adults were doing things? i mean, what we've been hearing over and over again from these kids is that the adults, the system has failed them and they need to stand up. >> well, as a young child growing up, i saw the signs that said white men, colored men, white women, colored women. i kept asking my great grandparents, my grandparents, my mother and father, that's the way it is, don't get in the way, don't get in trouble. you're going to get in trouble. but rosa parks and dr. king inspired me to get in trouble, what i call good trouble, necessary trouble, and i've been getting in trouble ever since. and i think this generation of young people, these unbelievable children, are leading the way and they are going to take all of us to a better place and a better time. >> congressman, african-american

communities have been dealing with gun violence, sometimes not with the spotlight on it as much as what has happened in other instances. what do you think black and white americans can do to bridge the divide that has exploded in our politics over the course of the last few years with this president, but also in grappling with an issue in a way that speaks to all communities? >> i think it's important for black america and white america -- all america, hispanic, asian american and native american that we must come together and realize that we are all in the same boat. there was a man by the name of a. philip randolph who helped put together the march in washington in 1963. he would say from time to time, maybe our foremothers and forefathers all came to this great land in different ships, but we're all in the same boat

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and said to me, leave trump alone, forget the story. then he leaned around and looked at my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl, a shame if something happened to her mom and he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat? >> absolutely. i was rattled. i remember going into the workout class and my hands were shaking so much i was afraid i was going to drop her. >> did you ever see the person again? >> no. if i did, i would know it right away. >> you would be able to recognize that person? >> 100%. even now all these years later. if he walked in this door right now, i would instantly know. >> after trump won the republican nomination, daniels says cohen reached out with the $130,000 offer, which came with a non-disclosure agreement. the story broke 15 months later. in the wall street journal hours before the president was sworn in. the white house denied allegations the president had an affair with daniels.

daniels says he knows i'm telling the truth. joining me rick tyler, john ernest, former white house press secretary, paul butler, a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc contributor, in new york, susan delper delpersio and nancy erica smith. thank you all for being here this evening on what is a remarkable night of news for america i think may be an understatement. josh, you have been watching this interview as somebody who -- well, had your share of crisis moments in the white house. >> certainly not one like this. >> anything like this ever? >> nothing even remotely

approaching something like this. >> we have seen just unrelenting story after story after story from this president in a way is that difficult to digest. it's hard to remember what happened one week to the next and nothing seems to matter. is this different? >> it seems to be different. certainly, there's been several weeks buildup to this interview. there are details that continue to leak out about it. when you take a look at the interview, you see there are details that they are withholding. she asked whether she has physical evidence, text messages or anything that would prove she had this affair. she declined to say yes or no. >> the president hasn't said anything about this. >> the president hat not said anything. that's the other distinguishing feature of the story. president trump does not hold back from wanting to throw a punch on twitter or standing in front of a podium. on this story, he has been conspicuously silent. in some ways i think that's revealing of the kind of

leverage that he feels she may have over him. >> rick tyler, i wasn't sure we could have a national moment around president trump, considering how many things we deal with in a given week. this does feel like that in some ways. i'm wondering if it's going to evaporate by tuesday. >> probably. i think right now -- it's a he said she said. you have porn star versus the president. people would normally say the president would win that. now it's a porn star versus donald trump. well, it might be a 50/50 odds here. no evidence came out in this interview. it's all he said she said. they have or they don't. we don't know. maybe donald trump is looking to cut a deal with them. i don't know. in the torrent of news that comes out of the white house with staffing and with korea and bolton and on and on and on -- >> sure. >> this is more wind in the storm. >> i'm willing to give you that certainly we have been through a lot and it's entirely possible

you are correct. one thing that makes me think it might be something to last longer are things like this. i'm told we have the spanking sound bite. >> does this formally work for you? and he looked very taken aback. he didn't understand what i was saying. talking about yourself normally work? i was like, someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. i will never forget the look on his face. he was like -- just -- i don't think anyone has spoken to him like that, especially a young woman who looked like me. give me that. you wouldn't. hand it over. so he did. i was like, turn around. drop 'em. >> you told donald trump to turn around and take off his pants? >> yes. >> did he? >> yes. he turned around and pulled his pants down a little. he had underwear on. i gave him a couple swats. >> susan, is this real life?

>> when you have to say give me the spanking sound bite, we know we have taken a bad turn somewhere. ironically, we actually heard about this a few months ago. it's not even new information. of course, it's new to hear her say it to camera and have this interview where there was a lot of hype. i kind up at the end of the day though is, all of this doesn't really matter. it's all baked in already. even if he is found guilty of a campaign finance violation, he pays a fine. i'm not sure what it does to donald trump as far as people who support him. it certainly rattles up the people against him. he has to be very difficult for his home life. as we are dealing with staff shakeups and as rick said north korea, not to have a stable home life is also probably very disturbing when you think about the president of the united states. >> absolutely. paul butler, let's talk about what could potentially be

lasting from a legal perspective here. josh earlier mentioned this question about evidence, text messages, receipts, they show in this interview a fedex receipt that shows that they sent materials to michael cohen in his official capacity at trump organization. at the same time, we have not seen this evidence that is apparently squashed by this non-disclosure agreement. >> yeah. we have had spanking, sex, lies, possible videotape. this story is good but it's not as good as the russian investigation. so then the question is, what's the relationship? we have michael cohen, who is the president's operative, not lawyer. because in this, he is the deal maker for the president. if mueller is interested in him in terms of the mueller -- in terms of the russia investigation, in mueller can get the goods, if cohen has criminal expose you are in this case, that might be a way to get to cohen to eventually get to the president. >> nancy, what do you make of that argument? is it a bridge too far to try to

connect these two? >> i don't think it's a bridge too far to connect the stories at all. i really disagree this is a he said she said. i hate that term to begin with. it's not he said she said because he paid through his lawyer $130,000. there was a non-disclosure agreement. she talked about tonight or her lawyer talked about maybe there's a destruction of evidence, which sun edis unethi. it's unethical to make people lie. when people are threatened, which she says she was, you will agree to anything to end it because you are afraid. the threats i totally believe. bo deedle admitted smearing gretchen carlson when we were suing roger ailes. he has been accused of doing the same to other women and fox news. we know he is a friend of donald trump. to say that this is the same old same old and maybe he is saying something and she's saying something is false.

his lawyer paid money to shut her up. >> on that exact point, i actually -- i want to play more from the interview. what we do know is not he said she said. what happened in the hotel room aside, there's not a denial that this money was paid. here is stormy daniels talking about that. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. the story was coming out again. i was concerned for my family and their safety. >> i think some people watching this are going to doubt that you entered into this negotiation because you feared for your safety. they're going to think you saw an opportunity. >> i think the fact that i didn't even negotiate, i just quickly said yes to this very strict contract and what most people will agree with me extremely low number is all the proof i need. >> that is stormy daniels talking about the money that was paid. the other piece of this that's important in the context of the

story is in what capacity was michael cohen, trump's personal attorney and more than that, personal fixer, what capacity was he paying this money in? he has said this doesn't matter because it was in his personal capacity. stormy daniels and her lawyer say that they have evidence that shows that that was not the case. take a look. >> to mr. cohen as executive vice-president and special counsel to donald j. trump, the trump organization. again, listing the fifth avenue address. this idea there's a separation now between mr. cohen individually and the trump organization or mr. cohen individually and donald trump, it's nonsense. >> josh, does their story hold up in light of any of this? >> look, there's a lot that is very difficult for mr. cohen and his client, mr. trump, to explain about what he did and why he did it. and i think as long as those questions are lingering out

there, this is a story and people will continue to ask. >> rick? >> i think that's right. from a legal sense, the president may be in trouble. from a political sense, i'm not so sure. his base is just -- they're not going to believe this. they're going to say this is made up and she's making it up. i agree with josh. i find her to be credible. she seems credible. she tells a story. she comes across convincingly. i think it will go on and on. in terms of affecting elections, i'm not sure it's going to have an impact with everything else going on. >> josh, do you think it has a bigger impact on -- i don't want to say the institution of the presidency. but in many ways the office and our perceptions growing up as kids and how you are supposed to conduct yourself. we were talking about how republicans in congress have tolerated far less in terms of public behavior. is this setting a standard we're never going to come back from? >> there's no question that it degrades the kind of public

respect that people across the country and around the world have for the institution of the president of the united states. there's no denying that. this is not the first episode of president trump doing that. this is probably most vivid example of that. as somebody who spent time in the government and worked in the white house, it's discouraging to see that institution be degraded. i do have some confidence that it's a durable institution and that there will be an opportunity for the next president, whether that person is a democrat or republican, whether that person takes office in 2020 or 2024, for some of that to be rebuilt. i do have that enduring confidence. look, it took more than 200 years to build up that institution. it's going to take more than donald trump and a couple of -- >> it wasn't just donald trump. it was jfk. it was clinton. it's uncomfortable to talk about the obamas because they actually

did hold the office with honor. he seemed to be a very good husband and a very good father. >> hold that thought. you mentioned bill clinton. here is president trump in 1998 talking to chris matthews about bill clinton's tryst with monica lewinsky. >> it's so embarrassing. you really have to say, where does it stop. i like this guy but you really have to say, where does it stop. why do they keep revealing the details? he had sex but now they talk about the kind of sex, where it took place, where it was, on the desk, off the desk. it's so out of control. it's such an embarrassment to him. i see him walking around, it's like a terrible embarrassment. he has been a teflon guy. they compared him with reagan. that teflon is exploded all over the place. >> believe it or not, polling at the time indicated that president clinton actually became more popular during the lewinsky scandal. a poll taken one day after he was impeached had clinton's job approval at 72%.

susan, does it seem that the lesson that donald trump learned here was just make sure everybody signs a non-disclosure agreement so they can't detail what was done? >> donald trump has shown no respect -- to go to the previous part of the conversation, has shown no respect for the office of the president. these things just keep rolling on top of it and adds to it. he doesn't want -- he will just keepdenying. he is saying this is all a media hoax. he will continue. the people who are behind him are with him. he will be stuck at a certain point. with the popularity around 38 to 42, he is looking at a democratic house next year for sure. and impeachment proceedings. that's what he has to look forward to. he is doing nothing to help himself in this matter. >> paul, you are going to jump in. >> ken starr started out with a

failed real estate transaction and ended up with a stained blue dress. the question is whether mueller will go there. mueller is going after trump and his associates like they are hard core thugs. if there's exposure -- clinton got in trouble for lying in the grand jury. suppose lid trdly trump -- >> they were never hired. >> dowd didn't want trump to go in the grand jury. everything is game in the grand jury. it's not over until it's over. >> fair enough. we are getting started here. when we continue, we will talk more about the legal arguments and non-disclosure arguments. later, my exclusive i objenterv with ryan costello. why he is joining republicans deciding not to run for re-election. ambassador andrew young on the march for our lives and the legacy of his friend, dr. martin luther king. as we go to break, the kasie

dvr. our producers watched the sunday shows so you don't have to. >> thousands of students filled the streets. >> they marched in hundreds of cities and towns across the country. >> the march for our lives. >> the largest march on washington. >> i think this time it's different. >> people want changes here. >> they gotta keep it up. >> what we don't want to do is start stripping rights away from law abiding citizens. >> how about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem do something about maybe taking cpr classes. >> this week, the president continued to dismiss advisers. >> he is bringing people in who are on his team. >> i think he thrives on chaos. maybe that's the way to run a reality tv show. it's not the way to run the greatest country in the world sg. >> the president told me he is perplexed by the reports there is chaos. >> another potentially explosive

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karen mcdougal are suing to get out of cof contracts. mcdougal is suing the national enquirer to get out of a contract that paid her $150,000 and restricts her ability to speak publically. she claims the president's attorney michael cohen was secretly involved with her talks with the enquirer's parent company and the company showed new signs of interest after trump secured his party's nomination. >> once donald trump won the republican nomination, you are saying ami suddenly came back to you with interest in the story? >> to keith. to us for the story. >> why do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back? >> they wanted to squash the story. >> you are saying they wanted to protect donald trump?

>> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> the white house has denied the claims of the affair. the enquirer's parent company told the times it decided not to print her story because it could not verify details. acknowledged discussing the allegations with cohen as part of its reporting process. nancy, i want to go to you on this theme of non-disclosure agreements is a very important one in trump's -- president trump's life, mr. trump's life as a businessman. what are the potential ramifications for the way these suits are unfolding and how this might play out for the president in the courts? >> well, non-disclosure agreements are contracts like any others. contracts can be voided because they violate public policy or are unethical. in this case, the contracts clearly violate the public policy. paying people off to be silent about potential wrongdoing by somebody running for president of the united states days before an election reeks of a public

policy violation. if it came after threats, it may have been entered into under duress. but ndas should be banned. california and new jersey have laws pending to ban them. we know in the me too movement that ndas are how we keep serial sexual harassers in the workplace and shut women up about it. they shouldn't be allowed at all. there's no reason for it. in new jersey, we're dealing with it by saying, it's the victim's choice. if there are victims out there that don't want to talk about it and certainly not every victim is going to be on tv or in "the new york times" because they don't -- it's not a famous harasser. but if the victim wants to talk about it, we will stop taking her voice away. that's really important. also it is tied into, in this agreement, they had to give allegedly had to give any evidence they had back. that's unethical for lawyers to destroy evidence. that might be evidence relevant

to another woman's case. we saw that with the cosby case recently. the judge has said that other women can testify. >> in this case, the allegation is not necessarily harassment or that there was wrong done. both are saying there's consensual affair and they are being silenced in a way that's inappropriate. paul butler, what's your take on these arguments? >> with stormy daniels it's almost a law school exam. on the one hand, she cashed the check. it's a good contract. on the other hand she's saying mr. trump was supposed to sign. if you look at the contract, he is a different party. he has obligations and burdens and consideration he get something from it. you would expect he would have to sign. at the end of the day, this is a big case. it's going to be resolved by california contract law. >> susan, can i ask you about this question of duress? nancy brought it up this idea. stormy daniels has in her interview talked about this idea

that she signed or put her name to statements that denied she had an affair, that are contradicting what she's saying now, because she felt bullied, intimidated and under duress. do you think this element of her story is something that's going to resonate more strongly with voters than other elements of it? >> it certainly will because in this interview as well as even with the playmate interview, there was a sense of bullying. in this environment, that is going to go against donald trump. there's also a third lawsuit that's going on. that has -- that may actually force him to give a deposition and even though it's a defamation lawsuit, there was actually harassment charged there. in this environment, donald trump is certainly presumed guilty, if you will, of sleeping with these women. because i think most people believe it. that's why he had them sign the non-disclosure agreements. this is all working against him. it will have play when it comes

to the elections this fall. >> one other thing that i wonder how it impacts how women voters in this country are going to think about this story. this sound bite we have from stormy daniels. take a look. >> he quit talking about himself. he asked me things. i asked him things. it became more appropriate. >> more comfortable? >> yeah. wow. you are special. you remind me of my daughter. he is like, you are smart, beautiful and a woman to be reckoned with. i like you. i like you. >> josh earnest, susan, who wants to weigh in? >> i want to take a shower. >> exactly. >> it's gross. >> it is gross. i do think that not just women are going to have a negative, creeped out feeling by that. plenty of men did. there are a couple of men who

are creeped out by that comment on this set. >> i feel like we're all -- okay. paul, nancy, thank you for participating in this conversation tonight. still to come, let this sink in. the ceo of facebook, a multibillion dollar media taking out a full page ad in newspapers. today in the u.s. and the united kingdom saying we have a responsibility to protect your information. we will talk about that up after the break. ♪

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i never approved cambridge's contract. they pitched me three times. three times i said no. they did not come to the campaign until after i left. >> were you aware if steve bannon was a founding executive of cambridge analytic when you met with him? >> i knew steve had a role in the organization. i didn't know what his ultimate role was. that didn't impact my decision. they came to me three times and i said no. >> that was president trump's original campaign manager, corey lewandowski, distancing himself

from the cambridge analytica controversy. they have been accused of harvesting personal information of more than 50 million facebook users and using that to help political campaigns. ken, you apparently don't think there's any there there to this giant scandal that i personally -- i think i view it differently than you. what do you think is going on? what's the next turn of the screw? >> there's an issue with the way that the data was obtained and a real question for facebook about their ability to safeguard this type of data that their users don't believe is accessible to commercial vendors like cambridge analytica and the way that they obtained it misleading. they purported that -- to be doing some academic research. >> they didn't delete the data after they were supposed to. >> correct. what they did with it is where i take issue. this idea that cambridge analytica was this mastermind of microtargeting i think is incredibly overwrought. having watched them with a number of campaigns for a number

of years and operatives who are sort of -- had their arms twisted to hire them because they -- >> you think they were selling something they couldn't deliver? >> absolutely. that's what i think. that's not me. that's what the operatives think. >> the psycho graphic modelling. >> it's microtargeting. there's always questions about what these digital and data firms are actually doing and whether it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors. in their case, cambridge analyti analytica's case, i know of multiple campaigns where the campaign operatives felt sort of compelled to bring them on because they thought that it was a way to raise money. in order to get money from robert mercer, they had to hire this firm. when they did, they felt it was not bringing anywhere near the type of value that would be -- >> with what they were paying. what's your view? >> wasn't the chronology that after that they got the data from itfacebook?

>> no. they got the data before they made the push into u.s. political campaigns. >> my take -- >> go ahead. >> to answer your question, i think that we don't know. i'm not going to go so far as to say they were brilliant and they delivered this election to donald trump. clearly, there was targeting going on. it was effective. we have a lot of reports out on the results. >> right. >> where the vote was swung by 5,000 votes or something likein places like wisconsin. these are dots that need to be connected. why did donald trump go to wisconsin? was he tipped off? there are questions across the atlantic just today, guardian has a new piece out, there's a whistle-blower saying, there was a firm that was connected to cambridge analytica that was involved in the brexit vote, leave the eu vote. >> this brings up major questions for the social media companies. facebook putting out -- i don't have the paper in front of me because it's the stormy daniels

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earlier, i spoke with republican pennsylvania congressman ryan costello. i asked if he would run for re-election despite his district being redrawn and not in his favor. >> it's the most difficult decision i can recall having to make. the answer is i will not be. >> explain that. >> well, there's a number of factors. i have an 8-month-old. i have a 4-year-old. it's a very challenging job serving in congress with a young family. i accepted that. had planned on running for re-election in the congressional district that i have served for the past 3 1/2 years and which has been the congressional district since 2012. what happened was the state supreme court then in a matter of a week or so decided to invalidate the map, the first time in the history of the republic where a state supreme court has done that, and ultimately altered the district.

had a california professor draw a district rather than the legislature doing it. they didn't give the legislature enough time to do it. drew a district, got rid of 50% of my district and took a district which hillary clinton won by a point but which i had won to a district that hillary clinton won by ten points. >> so this, of course, is a suburban philadelphia area district. that has swung back and forth. regardless of whether these lines had been redrawn, was potentially getting tougher for you. no? >> there's no question that it was going to be tougher in light of what's happening in the suburbs across the country. in my district i was just about to say the local democrats on the left has become more engaged and candidly more angry by the week as president trump says things and does things which many republicans, myself amongst them, from time to time do disagree with. so that coupled with the fact

that every single time that i speak out and voice my disagreement with what the president might do or might say only then has my pro-trump republicans not too pleased with me either. the combination of what i've had to deal with just in terms of having a young family, what the state supreme court did, which i think was obscene, along with the political environment has me -- led me to the decision that what is best for my loved ones, those who love me the most, those who i love the most, that at this moment in time, running for re-election is not the prudent course of action. and i say that after a lot of deliberation. it's been a very tough decision for me to make. i think i'm making the right decision. >> what's it like for you to be stuck in that vice that you just described? does the republican party have space for politicians like you anymore? >> well, i think that it does. because i have some colleagues

that are similarly situated. and i certainly would never say anything that would make their life more difficult. but it is a vice. it's extremely difficult. and i'm not -- look, i try and do the best that i can with it. but in this environment -- i mo mean, losing half of my congressional district a week before i'm supposed to run for re-election and having it turn ten points bluer is -- i don't even know -- >> impossible situation it seems. >> i've come to the reality of it. i can't believe that happened. it's very difficult though for what i would call your centrist republicans. i think i would be categorized as that. it's a very challenging political environment to be sure. what i have tried to do and what my colleagues that are similarly situated, who i think do an able job of doing it, is to speak out what you find appropriate. no matter how much you speak out, those who don't support the president are -- it's not going to be enough for them. at that moment in time, you get really stridently pro-trump

republicans bothered at you because you are not defending the president. i'm not so sure there's an easy answer to that conundrum. >> before i let you go, congressman, i have to ask you about something that perhaps falls into this category that you are talking about, difficult questions about the president of the united states. there's an adult film star, stephanie clifford, stormy daniels, on tv, detailing what she alleges was a sexual encounter with this president. what's your response to that? is this conduct becoming a president of the united states of america? not to mention that there was, she alleges a payoff from the president's personal attorney. >> yeah. i'm going to answer your question. but that is actually one of the reasons why i think it's the right time for me to perhaps consider another line of work, at least temporarily. >> i can't imagine why. >> we're talking about porn stars and the president rather

than about tax policy or what we need to get done by the end of the year or what should have been in the omnibus. i will give you another example. i have a bill to bring back cost sharing reductions and create a reinsurance plan for two years which will reduce health insurance costs for 9 million americans who don't get a subsi subsidy, wasn't included in the omnibus. it's hard to get that message out because we're talking about tillerson and mccabe and one thing after another. it is deeply frustrating, i will certainly say that. >> my thanks to congressman ryan costello. after the break, civil rights icon and former u.s. ambassador andrew young joins us live to talk about what it means to march in the wake of yesterday's historic rallies. stay with us. time to bask... in low prices!

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joining me from atlanta, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations and civil rights icon andrew young. ambassador young, thank you for being with me tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. i enjoy watching you all the time. >> thank you very much, sir. i want to start by -- we haven't had a lot of time tonight to talk about some of the other

news that's been happening in washington. since you were the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, i want to ask you about the president's choice to install john bolton as his national security adviser. what do you think of that decision? what would your advice be to the president and to mr. bolton? >> i was horrified. it made me think of a quote from martin luther king about vietnam when he said nothing is more dangerous in all the world than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. i mean, i think the thing -- i spoke up for tillerson, because at least tillerson had been around the world and knew people as a businessman. i didn't agree with him. but he was knowledgeable. i think that bolton has been an

eye idealogue who is not known to speak to people. he is in his own little world. looking at north korea -- i got back from south korea from sout korea a few months ago. and you can stay in the trump towers and you can see north korea. everything is so close up there, there cannot be a successful war when you're going to hurt south korea, china, russia and japan. war is just not an option. same thing is true of iran. those are places that he's upset about. i saw a report that said if there was a non-nuclear confrontation with iran, there would probably be in the neighborhood of 200,000 u.s. casualties. >> a very difficult situation indeed. sir, apologize. i want to ask you since i have

you and you have -- >> you asked me that. >> no. i do know that. since the hundreds of thousands of people who marched in this country -- >> they were wonderful. >> -- in washington. >> that's the future. >> what do you have to say to those kids about how this becomes something that we're talking about weeks and months from now? >> it has become. they got a taste of the power of democracy. dr. king used to say that unearned suffering is always rede redemptive. h they saw blood on the students. they will never forget that. i'm 86 and i can't stop. by and large, because i can never forget martin luther king, jr. with a bullet through his spinal cord.

though i think he went to heaven without pain, without even hearing the shot and i think his spirit is still with us, i saw it in his granddaughter. america's in good hands. everything you're talking about now, the congressmen, these kids are not going to be upset by district shifting. they're going to understand hacking. they're going -- you know, they are comfortable with the information age in a way that he and i are not. so i cried. i was so happy, i cried. >> when i spoke with john lewis, he said that when he was young, when he was your age during the civil rights movement, that everybody simply told them things could never change. that was just the way it is. >> i was in new york when john lewis was at a national sit-in. i had just bought a house. i had two children and one on

the way. when we saw john lewis on television, my said it's time to go back home. i said we are home. we just bought this house. she said, no, new york cannot be my home. sell this house, quit your job, we're going back south. and i think that it was john lewis himself who kind of inspired me to come back to atlanta, not wanting really -- i mean not looking for trouble, but just seeing that this was a moment when the south was about to change and my family ought to be a part of it. >> and you absolutely needed to be there. yeah. >> i've been there now for 60 years and still excited about it, because things are changing. the world is changing for the better. the distractions are really distractions. >> indeed. >> if we can look at some of the good things that are likely to

happen and usually good overcomes evil eventually. when you've got young people 11 years old with the kind of articulate intelligence they have, i feel good about life and i feel great about this country. they made america great again. >> i apologize. we are running up against a very hard clock. thank you so much. >> god bless you. >> thank you. after "kasie dc" you can see ambassador young in the incredible documentary hope and fury. feel the clarity of non-drowsy

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might have a spot for you. you're pretty good. got a good arm. >> thank you. i appreciate it. you've got a couple of guys on the squad this this may be their last time with the team. what do you think? is this our year? >> we always feel that way. this is our last day of spring training. we're breaking camp tomorrow, heading north. hopefully the weather will turn a little bit better. you never know. you know, you never know. i'm going to glow in the time we have and the special people it's been fun to be around. what do you think? you think we've got enough pitching? >> if i'm worried about anything, it's that. cobb gives me some hope. thank you so much for doing this, sir. i really appreciate it. let's go os! >> yeah. get out there. >> sounds like a plan. i'm going to hold you to that. that does it for us here on "kasie dc." up next, don't miss a special documentary "hope & fury." for now, good night from

washington. >> announcer: this is an nbc news special presentation. >> some of the images and language in the following program are graphic and might be disturbing to some viewers. while the images have been available across the internet, they have not been seen nationally in their entirety on nbc. 50 years ago, the nation lost an extraordinary leader. >> the time is always right to do right. >> reporter: a warrior for justice. >> martin luther king jr., "we ain't gonna let nobody turn us around." his fight -- >> "expect somebody to get killed." >> "i can't breathe." >> -- is our fight. >> reporter: it was one of those fateful intersections in history