ear eu-- we cut the "a" off north korea. order has been restored. this wall is now free of misspellings, even if the president's twitter feed is not. thank you all, that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" starts with katy tur in for chuck. nicolle wallace, thank you very much. a wonderful graphic today. the midterm forecast for the gop government is stormy. tonight, blue wave/red alert. could president trump's latest drama by just what the democrats need to win in november.

>> i think peel don't trust he word anymore. i think the people that vote the for and came out and supported him still do. >> plus law and disorder. more upheaval as more attorneys decline to represent the president in the russia probe. will the white house bring back some of the ousted staffers. the census will ask people if her citizens, now states are saying no way. >> this latest move by the trump administration to threaten california is not just a bad idea. it's against the law. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.

facing a blue wave in november, republican members have said there's salvation in their message, but right now the republican message is being consumed by the messengers. if you're a republican running in a competitive district, legislative affairs, not extramarital affairs. market highs, not presidential lows. tax cuts, not tweet storms. job hirings, not white house firings. not russia, conflicts of interests, ethics complaints, you nay it. right now the president's conduct is consuminger, and there it's polls that say voters want a koens that stands up, or original about facing a referendum, or warning how

suburban voters threaten the gop's grip on the house. today the white house was asked about the presidentacy morals, and they answered by pivoting to his agenda. >> i think that the people of this country came on the by the millions to support donald trump, support his agenda and the policies he is pushing forward. he has been delivering day in/day out on that front. i think the people that came out and supported him still do so, and do so because they believe the agenda that he was driving, and he's been delivering on that since he came into office. >> they were asked about the president's alleged affair with the porn star, and their answer was pretty clear that they want this story to go away. >> the president has addressed this, we have addressed it extensively. there's nothing else to add.

just because you continue to ask the same question over and over and over again doesn't mean we have to keep up coming with new things. we have addressed it extensively, and there's nothing new to add to the conversation. >> there's an answer she could give. the problem is the story is not going away. the problem with the president's conduct is that it is not changing. just ask republican congressman ryan costello. he backed trump in 2016, now he is retiring, and it sounds like he's seen enough -- we're talking about porn stars and the president rather than tax policy. he calls this environment deeply from us at a timing. he said if i had a town hall this week, it would be question after question -- do you believe trump or do you believe tomorrow,? why don't you believe her? he says he wants to talk about substance, but trump blocks everything out. what fuels the energy isn't issues, it's trump's personal. i'm joined by congressman costello.

thank you for being here. >> thank you. are you saying essentially your party has become a cult of personality around donald trump? >> i think particularly in congressional districts like mine, you have to push back over and over, as often and as loudly as you can, to not have that happen to you. yet you're not going to be on the winning side of that fight very often just because of the unending cascade of these news stories, and voters want to know where you stand on his conduct on a day-to-day basis. that's not an unreasonable thing, but it's also very difficult in a competitive seat like the one i have occupied, where policy arguments and what you want to do matters, but that's not the only calibration that a voter is going to think through as they're evaluating your job performance. >> then why don't you answer their questions on the conduct?

why don't you answer what you think about what he's done and then move on to the issues of policy, what do you say? is she telling the truth? >> i mean, i think she is. i do, katy, i've a number of town has. i do do that, i've always done that. you do get to the policy, but ultimately you get back to more questions about it. from the left it's never good enough. from the right, the moment you say anything, often the response is -- why are you out there saying that about the president? why aren't you defending him? >> so you're in a no-win situation? >> no question about that. that doesn't mean that republicans in suburban districts can't win. it just means it's a very catch-22 type of conundrum that we find ourselves in. i'm not here to complain about that, but obviously i'm certainly comfortable diagnosing it, because i've love there it.

>> part of congress's job is to act as a check on the president, and part of the complaints is congress isn't doing anything to act as a check on this particular president. should something be done? should there be a hearing on this payment, this 130 grand? should there be hearings on the president and his family enriching themselves on trump properties while on they hold government office? do you think there should be any hearing with what's going on with the president beyond this russia investigation? >> total legitimate question. my feeling, katy, is that when members such as myself say a special counsel should come about, and it did, that to know what the breadth and width of the investigation is at this moment in time is somewhat difficult. what i don't think -- it should not be interrupted. it should not be per versed, for

lack of a better term. that's where i think the investigation should occur. it is occurring. i would also say, in terms of what trey gowdy has done, i think he's called balls and strikes pretty fairly here, so you have to trust your oversight committee. having said all that, no matter what you do, i don't think the most ardent anti-trump voters will think it's enough. i do think mueller should be left to do his on. >> what about, though, investigating why donald trump's private businesses are profit ing my sense is the investigation may end up there. i don't mean to be eludive leer, but because there is an ongoing

investigation. i've always tried to set mea attention on balancing -- there's a number of policy areas where, as a member of congress i should be pushing forward on, thinking that mueller is going to take the investigation where it should go when it should go there. you know as well as i do, if you have a government hearing, congressional committee hearing on this type of thing, it turns into a circus. it turns into a circus. on both sides. you'll have some republicans defending at 110%, democrats will be doing the same thing. i will also say that right now you do hear in many hearings that those types of questions are being asked anyway. >> let me play devil's advocate for a moment. should donald trump's conduct be surprising? it was very clear how he conducted himself burg the campaign, and a adviser for you said in a statement that you

have stated all along it's vital for republicans to win in november, so you supported donald trump in his bid for the white house, despite everything you saw. do you regret that now? >> boy, that's a good question, the answer is, look, i supported the tax bill. i think it's good policy. if you look at the labor participation rate, it's much improved, low unemployment, stock market while volatile the past few weeks is still strong. money is being returned to low and middle income americans. capital is being deployed. there's a good story to tell. there is. this president has signed into law some legislation that i fully support. much in the way of regulatory reform measures, but katy, i'm going to be the first person to tell you, i have little kids and i don't want them to ask me what does stormy daniels do for a

living. i don't like to hear a lot of the things i hear or when we tweet the way we tweet. i don't like it. when the question was asked during the presidential race, if someone had asked me if afc role model, i would have said no. nobody asked me that. i think supporter support the policies, but we cannot discount the fact that a lot of americans legitimately look at the president of the united states, any president of the united states and say he or she should be a role model. i disagreed with many of president barack obama's policies. there were some i agreed, but i disagreed with many of them, but he was a good role model. he conducted himself in an appropriate way. i can't disagree with him, but i think a lot of americans want their president, even george w. bush, there were very tough times in 2006, but even democrats i think now particularly look back and say

he's a decent man. he had high moral character. that matters. it matters in a lot of ways for a lot of reasons. >> yeah. >> this kind of stuff is not good for our country. it's not good for our culture. we saw a number of demonstrations over the weekend, and we have children who are becoming more and more political engaged. we want them to be engaged on issues, but you can't ignore the character questions. >> let me ask you one more time, do you regret your vote in 2016? >> no, because the choice was president trump or then secretary clinton. i never really felt that the write-in route -- i think that was avoiding one of two choices. i hope he -- i hope he governs, and gets rid of some of the tweeting and all that stuff. it's not good for him -- >> i don't think he's going to get rid of the tweeting. let's be honest. if he was going to change his

conduct, it would have happened by now. >> i agreed, and i'm trying to be honest, but we have another 2 1/2 years of him as president. he would do himself and republicans in congress much, much better if he were to focus on governing and leave these other stuff to the side. no doubt about that. when i voted for him, i had a feeling that he would surround himself with good people as the executive as he is, and he would let them run their agencies and some of the soap opera stuff of the campaign would fall by the wayside. i legitimately felt that way. there were a lot of other voters that felt the say way. >> no doubt about that. i think that's a feel that a lot of folks had. they wish he would left the campaign behind him and be presidential. >> and just read your book if they wanted to know any more about. campaign. >> thank you, sir. congressman costello, thank you.

we appreciate your candor. >> thank you. let's bring in the panel. >> not teague to inward-looking, but -- act from now into the future, it's a bit pie in the sky, i think for anybody to look at him during 2016 and say he's going to change in 2017. >> when i took my never trump stance during the elen in 2016, one of the points is he's going to be a disaster for the country, probably a disaster for the world, but also will be a

disaster for the republican parties. he will permanently -- a certain said of ideas that transsended simply the question of tax policy or regulatory policy. now with this huge wave of republicans says they can't take it anymore, that's coming true. you may see a sweep now, as colossal as what the democrats achieved in 1974, a total republican wipeout and republicans deserved it, because they knew who they were getting into bed with. i lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. >> it's regardable that it's still not that business of a wave of republicans.

>> they can't walk away from him. it's not them, not paul ryan, not any that's washington. it's trump. he knows that and he's playing if for as hard as he can. >> congress mast costello just for a moment, had a hard time answering whether or not he regretted his vote. ultimately he calm bake said and said no, because he couldn't vote for hillary clinton. >> does that mean the democrats can put up any other candidates? >> not at all. 2016 was a change election, he became a so if democrats believe

they can be opposed to trump and that's it, they will lose. there's the slept of trouble, and then the i was struck by the faustian bargain. we know he's not a paragon of future, we know he's indecent. >> we know we can't let our kids listen to him. we have to explain who stormy daniels is. >> who howard stern, we know that, but he's going to sign the stacks bill. heing with used for our ends, and then i can't vote for the other side. i can't vote for those people. when you have a cultive type of society, and then you get this

disaster. >> and it's an tune to put on the connor lamb face of the party. bring forward candidates who are responsive to their districts and their niece, who are moderate, not hyper part sans. norm ate people not wedding themselves to a figure in washington. the great danger i always thought for the democratic party in the age of trump is it would start to mirror trump in terms of the celebrityification of politics, like bringing oprah in, and based on cultural motifs rather than policy niece. >> this room for that, though, when you look at the progressive

base or the very angry part that wants trump out there and out of think immediately? this is the same kind of vitriol as there is -- how do you come back to the center and build consensus now that he's done so 67 to exploit and widen the division. none of his positives, that visceral popularity with the base, it's republicans trueing to do trump lite.

so it's really the answer is it's up to democrats to come up with good keats. >> you can have an argue at the national live. republican lite will not work for democrats anymore. that's what clinton-iism is. if you have a choice between a duck and something that acts like a duck, you're going to choose the duck. over and over again we have folk trying to behave like republicans, when they should put forward a progressive agenda that isn't wild, left wing. that's not what connor lamb did. >> that's not to say you can't

run people who are right for their sdrigs. you can have a national platform that sets out the -- >> there a plat much that can move and flow? >> guys dumb back later in the hour. ahead the president seemsing to increasingly embracing chaos. is it any wonder his search for a new lawyer is coming up empty? ♪ directv now gives you more for your thing. your letting go thing. your sorry not sorry thing. your out with the old in with the new, onto bigger and better thing. get the live tv you love. no bulky hardware.

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well come back. mitt romney is running to the right of president trump, at least when it comes to letting young immigrants stay in the u.s. the former republican

presidential nominee turned utah senate candidate described himself as more of a hawk on immigration that even the president. president trump ended the daca program that protected certainly young illegal immigrant, but proposed a path to citizen for nearly 2 million people, many who benefited from the program, in exchange for limits on legal immigration and his wall. romney, on the other hand, took a more conservative president. he said, he'll accept the president's view, but for me i draw the line that those came illegally should not be given a special path to citizenship. he of course suggested self-deportation while running for president six years ago. we'll be right back with more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds.

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welcome back. now more than ever, president trump is relying on his instincts. on trade, on foreign policy, on the russia investigation. last week the president's top lawyer handling the mueller probe resigned, and he's having a tough time finding a replacement. complicating the search, the shallow pool of qualified lawyers who agree with the president's legal strategy, and don't have a conflict of interest. while from the outside this looks like a white house in the midst of a staffing crisis, that chaos may just be what the president likes. is. do you think this white

house can function if prompt backs his own chief of staff as steve bannon and cory lieu wantn dowski. >> the policy process, it's easy for the president to make policy. the tricky part is understanding the consequences of the policy, and need to process to make sure that there are not unintended consequences to the policy. that's the chief of staff's job, but you have to have discipline in the white house. john kelly i think has done a good job of trying to bring discipline to the white house. the president should empower him to do it. if the president is not there yet, i think the president will be in trouble. he'll continue to be in trouble until he recognizes he shouldn't try to micromanage the white house and shouldn't look to have

yemen and yes women around him all the time. he needs lots of diverse opinions and views, and he needs to be challenged on his policy so they can understand the consequences before the policies are defined by the unintended consequences. >> andy, you've been watching alongside us the past 14 months, do you think it's becoming clearer that that is all he wants, yemen and women in the white house, or do you disagree. >> the tweet can fire off the confetti gun, and maybe he likes that, but that's not good for the country and it's not good for the world. we don't want the world to be looking at confetti. we want them to understand there is a stable leader in the white house, because the president of the united states is truly the leader of the free world. we are the ones who give definition to democracy around the world. >> is john kelly doing a good

job if he can't be totally empowered by the president, can he possibly be doing a good job? into doing what the chief of staff wants, maybe, and to following direction -- >> first of all, you don't want a chief of staff that manipulates the president. that's a turnoff, but maybe keeps him in line. >> you bring discipline. >> structure around him. >> put structure around him. whether they were planned actions of the past or anticipated actions in the future. just have some discussions around it. taste your words before you spit them out, lick your fingers before you tweet them out. don't be impetuous. let the debate take place,

monolithic counsel is a very dangerous thing in the white house. the challenges are not that simple. they shouldn't be monolithic. challenge the president and he will do a better job. i think john kelly gets that. he does a good job. he actually gets high marks from me for the discipline he's imposed. i'm not sure he's been able to impose or bring discipline into the oval office the way he does. >> what about the rob porter scandal, still high marks for that? he had a man who couldn't get a permanent secure clearance, accused by his two ex-wives of beating them up in the white house for quite a while. >> well, yes, it's inexcusable that someone would be able to serve in a position like that without having a full security clearance. that should have been addressed by the chief of staff and team around him very early and white house counsel, but rob porter did do a very good job as a

staff secretary. he obviously had some other flaws in his life, but he did a good job as secretary. i hope john kelly is putting someone in that job and give him the discipline that rob porter was doing, to help the president avoid some of these catastrophes. look it, you president is our president until he's not. i want bob mueller's investigation to go forward, i would like it to be done without the glare of lights and leaks and everything else. just get the job done, let the chips fall where they may. the rest of us should be rallying around the president's ability to do the job so the rest of the world doesn't get afraid of us and doesn't run away from democracy. we want him to succeed. we may not agree with policy, but we don't want the president to fail and i don't want you to say the president to 235i8. we want him to succeed until

he's no longer the president. it's not likely he'll be moved from office unless there's an investigation that set he did soming that was impeachable form that's a high bar, a high standard. even this you can be impeached, and not be removed from office. i think we have to help the president do the job, and we should by rallying around him. he's done in good policy, some lousy policy. i didn't support him. i supported jeb bush in the primary and i didn't vote for him in the general election. i didn't votes for hillary clinton. i think congressman costello made a good description of the state of play for many of us. >> you want any president occupying that space to succeed. it's in all of our best interesting. andy card, thank for you joining us. ahead, how a coynial question is setting off a new fight between democrats and the trump administration.

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welcome back. the commerce department just announced, it will be a controversial question

critics -- they say accounting about reluctant to participate in the census, that could mean a substantial undercount of the pop to, of course. representation. >> one in the u.s. house -- have already filed lawsuits. he also plans that challenge the move in court. he and republican senators like cotton, inhofe and cruz are apolluting the news. joining mess is tom preerez, wh

says he will try to fight this. how are you doing? >> great to see you, katy. i'm doing well. >> inhofe says this is about accurately assessing the number of citizens. shouldn't the government have the ability to know who is inside the country? >> i agree that accuracy accounts, and the census is they actually man at a timed a represent that you counseled the number of persons in the united stat states. it is wrong to do this, and you know what? when i hear the voting rights justification used to say this is why we need to do this, as one who enstoresed the voting rights act, the voting rights act does not require this to use

the act as a per verse justification. >> if you're looking a potentially losing a seat in california, the census about citizenship? should it matter who is and isn't a citizen in this country? urchlts the enumeration says count the number of persons in the united states. it doesn't talk about the number of citizens. accuracy is always the north star of the census. i had the privilege in the clinton administration and the obama administration to be involved in these discussions. it was always about accuracy. what this is about, that the trump administration is trying to do, is they're trying to scare people. this is an intimidation tactic.

there are many mixed-status families not only just in california. they're trying to make sure that the count isn't accurate. that is inconsistent. that hurts local officials, mayors and others who make decisions about service provisions based on census data. that hurts cities in red states and blue states who are eligible for funding formulas, depending on how many people are there. accuracy should always be the north star. this is designed to make the census less accurate so they can pursue a partisan agenda. that is wrong, and that is why i'm confident the people in california, new york and elsewhere who are suing will preva prevail. you know what? this is an important reason to let democrats in november. democrats take over the house, we'll pass a rider.

>> can't folks argue that you're pursuing a partisan agenta as well? there are folks on the other side who would say illegal immigrants shouldn't be covered in terms of getting resource. these are for american citizens. why are you counting people who are not here legally, who don't deserve to have the same resources, the same benefits that american citizens pay taxes for. that's what the conservatives may say. >> i always thought conservatives went back to the plain language of the constitution. the plain language of the constitution in the enumeration requirement says you are to count the number of persons in the united states every ten years. it does not saying count the number of u.s. citizens. they want to change it to count the number of u.s. sit so they can engage in very not subtle voter suppression. that is illegal, totally

inconsistent with the north staff the the census in rep and democratic administrations have been. it's been about accuracy. that's why you see people from the bush administration and other republicans calling out this complete over-reach. donald trump before this announcement, was already fund-raising off of this. this is another divide-and-conquer effort. this is a first cousin the voter i.d. law to make sures african-americans and latinos can't vote. this is not our nation. >> tom perez, thank you so much for coming on. we appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, katy. ahead, the clown who is running for congress. no joke. just one apparently, you won't want to miss this. e planter. and last season, it was a flowering disaster. this year, they're not messing around. miracle-gro guarantees results with rich potting mix that uses ingredients fresh from the forest...

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time now for "the lid." the panel is back. let's talk about the second amendment. i read an interesting op-ed by john paul stevens. it sounded familiar to me like i had read something before, repealing the second amendment? >> when former supreme court justice plagiarizes your ideas in your very own newspaper --

>> so humble. so humble. >> from one stevens to another. i this was it was hugely important. lovely to see it, and thewas, j stevens was making exactly the right decision, first of all we have a constitutional mechanism for repealing amendments, this is constitutional, which is what the founders intended when certain laws became antiquated, as the second amendment did and had. a law that was intended to be the defense again the risk of a standing army. obviously this is not going to happen soon, but he is, i think lending his weight and his authority as a 97-year-old former supreme court justice to an argument, to a conversation that this country ought to have, as we have a reckoning with a

problem that is unique to the united states, compared to any other country. >> are we in a position right now where we're more open to having this conversation than ever before, especially with what we saw over the weekend with that giant march in washington, d.c., and the supreme court justice himself said you can't ignore it, it has to be respected. >> you're right, this can't happen any time soon, but having that conversation, let's get rid of the second amendment is so provocative, it could have the effect of actually bringing people to the point of saying, let's not do that, but i will accept some modest gun laws. that's all these marchers are advocating, very modest gun laws. repealing the second amendment, if people hear that, no, no, no, maybe i would think about this. i think it's a very smart statement politically.

>> fill everybody in. >> in 2008 the heller decision, and which is the decision that a lot of the gun advocates. >> that the nra uses that says you can't legislate gun control. >> and justice stevens makes the argument that this overreaches the very language of the second amendment, the second amendment covers the right to bear arms for militias and the like. and the decision, the case involved the right to bear arms to hunt, the right to bear arms for self-defense. and that for him went beyond the scope of the second amendment and then he proceeded to make the argument. so you would think that justice scalia and other supreme court justices would like this sort of reading. but he turns it on them in an interesting sort of way. >> it's sort of ingrained into our culture, our heritage, that

americans can own guns. guns are a part of the fabric of american history, part of our folk tale, our lore, we stood up against the british and said get out of here, this is our country. how do you reverse that very deep seeded menmentality. >> not for a second would i want to deny that there are many legitimate reasonings to own guns. but the problem with the second amendment, as conservatives do, to declare it virtually an absolute right is that you make it very, very difficult for any kind of gun control to work. because you're living in a society that is awash in guns, our homicide rate is completely disproportionate to the amount of guns that are out there. >> if you repeal the second amendment and take guns away,

all you're going to have is guns on the black market that are illegal. >> that's an intelligent argument, you would have to have schemes like the australia jn b back schemes, this in no way solves the problem, but it doesn't begin to solve your problem until you start to have that conversation. >> that doesn't say that everybody's gun s are going toe confiscated. that's not what's going to happen. it's just that it's not your right to have any gun you want in any quantity. >> you have to watch the video of the las vegas shooter, paddock, bringing in suitcase after suitcase of ar-15s with bump stocks that he bought legally. do you have a right to own a gun? yes, do you have a right to own two guns? yes. do you have a conditions consti right to buy 50 guns over the

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circus. meet steve lowe, he's running for congress in new york's fifth district. and he's a real clown, i mean he's a real clown, with the makeup and the costume and the crazy antics and the whole she bang. he used to perform for the ringling bros. now she wants to perform for the u.s. house of representatives. some might even call that a circus. this is where somebody writes a bunch of crazy clown puns for me to read, like how it is going to be big shoes to fill, or how easy it is going to be to get the vote out, thanks to clown car pooling. so many people in those tiny cars. but lowe seems to have the real deal, he has a catchy slogan, amy, vote lowe.

and he shares his strongly helded positions on key issues, campaign finance, the economy, the education, health care, so we are resisting the urge and just saying we look forward to covering the race in november. how's that for a nice gesture? i meean jester. i mean gesture. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp." "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> do you think clowns are scary? >> i do think they're scary. there's a great fish song, when the circus comes to town, originally performed by los lobos, but i think great fish does it better. clowns are scarry. breaking news,