velshi and stephanie ruhle. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," doctor's orders. david shulkin is not going quietly. >> some people have just good genes. i told the president he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years he might live to be 200 years old. that's just the way god made him. pardon me? the president's personal lawyer apparently floating the idea of pardz for mike flynn and paul manafort while the special counsel was building a case against them. is that out of line? >> i think it is a safe bet that mueller and his team know a lot more than what's become publicly available here. and prime beef. amazon stocks tumble after the

president targets the retail giant on twitter. but he got the facts wrong. while apple's ceo, in an msnbc exclusive, throws shade on mark zuckerberg over facebook's sharing of users' personal data. >> we could make a ton of money if we monetized our customer. if our customer was our product, we could make a ton of money. we've elected not to do that. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where outgoing va secretary david shulkin is sounding the alarm over what he says is a push to privatize the department while veterans groups are questioning whether the president's nominee has the quills to do the job. joining me now, msnbc's garrett haake at the white house and "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. garrett, first to you. the president's just left for ohio, and then mar-a-lago for

the easter weekend. let's talk about his decision announced late yesterday -- he announced it on twitter, of course, dr. david shulkin out and ronnie jackson, dr. johnny jackson in. an unusual choice, to say the least. >> yeah, andrea, that's putting it mildly. the president leaving now not answering any questions. he's not really been seen in public until this moment over the last five days or so. we've got almost a backlog of big questions for him on issues like this. we're reporting this morning that chief of staff john kelly called dr. shulkin yesterday before the president's tweet. so unlike some other cabinet secretaries, he may not have been caught as completely off guard of the news that he was out, the president's doctor on the way in. it is interesting to hear white house officials talk about the rear admiral who is now the nominee to head the virginia.

they make the argument he is a veteran, understands veterans issues and has the president's ear. but nobody is trying to credit make the argument that he has the management experience to lead an organization of a couple hundred thousand people as the va is. they just say that the last few directors of the va had that experience and they weren't able to turn that battleship around. perhaps it is time for someone with a different kind of resume, a andrea. >> i'm not questioning admiral ronnie jackson's qualifications being a physician, though he gave that rather controversial briefing about the president's health. but peter baker, this seems to that implications of the privatization issue where dr. shulkin was pushing back very hard against the political wing of the va in terms of private identifiesing the va. >> well, that's certainly the

way he's casting his dismissal, no question about it. he wrote an op-ed for "the new york times" basically saying that. very unusual i think to see somebody who's been pushed out sort of pushing back, in effect, sort of attributing his ouster to a political battle that he was losing, a policy battle in fact that he was losing. of course takes the focus off of the other issue us that were also there, his use of government resources for trips that had become controversial with some inspector general report. but it does seem to be that the fundamental issue at the va is this question of how much the private sector should be doing the work of the care for these veterans. he was at the heart of that. dr. jackson has a particular strong feeling about that, whether he does, we don't know. he has not spoken about it, he has not been a policymaker, as you know. he's been a personal physician to the president. it also speaks to the fact we've got a president right now who's going through so many staff, so quickly, so much turnover.

he keeps turning to the same people again and again. he can't seem to find as many outsiders to fill these new roles so he goes to people he knows an trust, like dr. jackson has been. >> peter, let me ask you about "the new york times" reporting about john dowd. this is really -- could be a bombshell. he has denied it, but if john dowd actually did float the idea of pardons for flynn and manafort to their attorneys last summer when they were under active investigation at the time, grand jury testimony, and the like, that, according to experienced attorneys, prosecutors, is really unusual, that pardons are usually done between the white house counsel's office and the department of justice. there is a whole office of pardons. they're reviewed. they're not floated this way by the president's personal attorney. >> no, that's exactly right. the traditional policy is the justice department does handle any pardon applications and there is a set of guidelines,

anyway, that suggest that the president normally does not give pardons until somebody's actually served time, has actually been adjudicated, has actually gone through the process. none of these people had at that point, of course. that doesn't mean the president can't do it. the constitution says the president has the power to pardon for any federal offense basically. and so it is certainly within his right to do it, but it is very unusual. of course it is going to raise suspicions among people thinking why is he doing that, what is he trying to do, what kind of signal is he trying to send if in fact he was knowledgeable about it. we don't know for a fact john dowd talked about it with the president but he did represent president. and it is certainly an interesting question to ask as to how much president trump was aware given his own public comments about his ability to issue pardons. >> in fact when he was asked about michael flynn, just sort of brushing it off and saying not at this time. garrett, i want to ask you about

hope hicks. it was very noteworthy that the president not taking questions when he waush walked out to the helicopter but a handshake and farewell to hope hicks as hemar-a-lago. tomorrow would be her last day as communications chief. we know from our reporting he feels very alone without her. his longest, closest aide, there from the very beginning. but as he reaches out to people familiar with him, not just john bolton but larry kudlow and others to fill out the white house staff. >> that's a moment for hope hicks, seen but not heard. never in her tenure did she give a television interview, rarely quoted publicly but a major, major force behind this white house, described universally almost as the glue here, someone who the president treated very much like a daughter.

one of the very first campaign staffers back in the early primary. she was essentially the only campaign staffer traveling with the president. her presence here will be missed. it is not clear if she would play the same kind of role in her absence as so many other former trump aides and staffers have had where he will call and chat with the likes of cory lewandowski and other former aides and staffers who have come through this yore gorbit. i don't know that they have that same relationship so her absence will be felt acutely by the president and other staff who sort of appreciated her being around, a calming presence sort of connecting all the various factions at the white house for a long time. >> peter, you've watched this very closely. hope hicks is also a central figure in the mueller probe, key in particular to the rewriting of that guidance from air force one about the crucial meeting

with the russians at trump tower. so she's part of the investigation now. she's also, of course, was involved romantically with rob porter who he is still speaking to. and her absence fills a -- rather, leaves a big hole to be filled. kellyanne conway, one of the people very much in contention, could be named this week to replace her as director of communications if she decides to take that job. >> well, that's right. there are obviously a couple other candidates as well and the fight over that job has in fact revealed some of the continuing tribal differences within this administration. even kellyanne conway in her own home right now has something of a tribal difference. her husband, jordan conway, very prominent conservative attorney here in washington lately has been tweeting messages that seem to be quite critical, at least questioning, skeptical of the president and the way things are working in this white house at this moment, at the very same

time his wife is being considered for communications director. so you see a system right now and a group -- a team right now that hasn't completely settled. it's very much up in the air. it's in turmoil in terms of people coming and people going, what the message is going to be, how they going to enforce discipline, what will it mean when larry kudlow comes in. when john bolton comes in. assuming mike pompeo, assuming he is confirmed, secretary of state. all of these things really create a tumultuous time in the west wing right now. >> it should be noted there will be a photo opportunity this afternoon only in an hour or two over at the pentagon. nbc will of course be there. it is going to be john mattis greeting john bolton, secretary mattis, of course, had been described by many people, people who i've spoken to, jim mattis, and others, suspicious or

concerned about john bolton's very strong ideological views and saying to reporters at the pentagon in recent days that, no, he's very happy about that and now they're having an unusual photo opportunity welcoming john bolton over for a consultation with the secretary of defense. all of of this is playing out of course on a very big stage, indeed. peter, thanks for bringing all of that to us. and of course, garrett haake starting us a off today as well. meanwhile, national veterans groups are reacting to dr. david shuld shulkin's dismissal. the cabinet secretary dismissed on twitter, according to kristen welker and our team, earlier by john kelly but then notice was made public on twitter by the president. from the national commander though of the american legion who writes, secretary shulkin has acted in the best interests of america's veterans and was making meaningful positive changes at the va. and from the iraq and afghan veterans of america finding and firing a secretary is easy

compared to finding someone who can do the job. paul rykoff, thank you. your initial reaction to the changeover. >> here we go again. more controversy, more drama at the va which has been basically facing that ever since i got home from iraq in 2004. we've seen secretaries resign and be fired and in the middle of all this is the veterans community that's coming home from war, that continues to have mental health and other needs and an agency that needs a lot of form. this is a lot of drama that continues to surround the second-largest agency in the federal government. it is bad for veterans, it is bad for america, it is bad for politics. this is much bigger than just about veterans or va. this is about many of the other political fights and bigger controversies that are surrounding our government and all of washington. >> do you think this is about the inspector general's report which criticized dr. shulkin for going sight seeing, bringing his wife along on the government's dime on an important european

trip? or do you think it is more do with his opposition to a key trump administration point of view which is privatizing the va? >> i think it is all that. this is the war surrounding the va that started years ago and will probably go many years into the future. you've reported on these issues at great length. this is always a fight about the central role of government. should va be expanded or should it be put into the private sector at a greater degree. that's the question that president trump has never answered. he didn't answer it on the campaign. he hasn't answered it now. does he support more privatization. what is his position on privatization? that's never been nailed down. so many of the fights we're having now around shulkin leaving and jackson coming in are actually fights we probably should have had a year ago when betty devos and ben carson and tillerson. now many of those core essential fights about the va are happening now instead of a year ago. >> dr. shulkin, as peter alluded

to, has written an op-ed for "the new york times" saying the department has become entangled in a brutal power struggle with some political appointees choosing to promote their political agendas rather than veterans. it should not be that hard to serve your country. at the same time there was controversy over his mixing personal and official travel. so do you think that ronnie jackson has the skill set to lead this large a bureaucracy? >> with regard to shulkin's comment, it's always been this hard. he knew what he was walking into. everybody who preceded him walked into a very difficult, complicated environment. jackson is a total unknown. he wasn't on a short list, hasn't been vetted. he doesn't have extensive command experience. to go from a surgical unit to a $200 billion budget with 300,000 employees is a massive jump. you have is to negligent with kong -- you have to negotiate

with congress, with unions. it's high stakes and a lot of money involved. there is no reason to believe he has any previous experience that prepares him for that. i hope we'll see a rigorous confirmation hearing. but with others like pompeo and others probably dominating the news, this could slip under the radar. so we're calling on the senate to really grill this guy and find out what he's made of and why he is capable of leading this essential agency at a time of war. >> have you heard from him? has there been any outreach? >> no. to my knowledge the president hasn't spoken to any of the veteran service organizations in the last few days about this change, about his next moves. i think that's a real failure. we can be a valuable resource to folks who work in the service organizations. we're often a bridge between organizations. that's why wie're able to work effectively with shulkin and other members of congress. we're there, other veteran service organizations are going to be there, again to fill the

gap while the va sorts itself out. >> paul, thanks for being with us. coming up -- beg your pardon? was the president considering pardons for michael flynn and paul manafort? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. more "doing chores for dad" per roll more "earning something you love" per roll bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty the quicker picker upper.

sarge, i just got a tip. that'll crack this case wide open! turns out the prints at the crime scene- awwwww...did mcgruffy wuffy get a tippy wippy? i'm serious! we gotta move fast before- who's a good boy? is him a good boy? erg...i'm just gonna go.

oh, you wanna go outside? you gotta go tinky poo-poo? i already went, ok? in the bathroom! as long as people talk baby-talk to dogs, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

pardon over time, pardons have been prepared in the first instance in the particular office of the

department of justice and there is a real attempt for the white house to articulate the standards for granting pardons and for the department of justice to use those standards to prepare recommendations for the president, for the presid t president's personal counsel in a legal case to discuss potential pardons with witnesses is extraordinary. >> bob bower criticizing president trump's former attorney john dowd on rachel maddow last night. it raised new questions about possible obstruction of justice. dowd telling the "times," there were no discussions, period. as far as i know, no discussions." i don't know if that's a categorical denial or not. joining us now, editor in chief of "law fare" and senior fellow and brookings institution. all of this talk about pardons seems premature and troubling if

it took place. the "times" had multiple sources and that was not a categoric cal denial. it said "discussions" and "not aware" of. we have to argue the meaning of discussions. >> or categoric cal. i thought it was interesting the "times" publish that story over the denial and appears sufficiently confident in its sourcing and its information that even in the face of what dowd said and what the others said, they went ahead and published it anyway. >> that was a very lengthy reported story. it wasn't some snap story. >> let's put it this way -- in a credibility fight between the reporters in question and "the new york times'" editorial standards and john dowd, i have every confidence in the "new york times." >> there is even some question as to whether dowd's sudden resignation or removal from the legal team had anything to do with the timing of this. because clearly "the new york times" had reached out to the

white house and to dowd for comment for many days. >> yeah. so i don't know the answer to that. i think that john dowd's performance over time gives so many reasons why either he might not want to be on the president's legal team or the president might not want him, that i think that may be the classic overdetermined variable. but, look. i do think i agree very much with the quotation that you just played from bob bauer that it is quite an extraordinary thing even to be discussing with a potential witness -- two potential witnesses in a pending investigation involving the president of the united states, to be discussing with their lawyers, having your lawyers talk to them about possible pardons is a genuine will you extraordinary and completely

reckless thing to do. >> because there are offices in both the white house counsel's office -- i mean there are procedures there. there is an office of pardons in the justice department. so there is a whole process where these things are worked out, and it is usually at the end after a case is adjudicated. >> and it is usually because somebody comes and asks for one, as in now -- look, the president has authority to issue pardons -- >> it is constitutional. >> any way he wants to do it. so this isn't a question of his authority. but it is a question of how it is normally done. and normally what happens is that somebody comes through the pardon attorneys office and applies for a pardon or clemency or communitiation -- commutation of a sentence. usually it isn't that the president's lawyers each out to people who are about to be indicted, as it turned out, in

matters that directly involved the administration and say, hey, are you possibly interested in a pardon? -- and that is a genuinely extraordinary thing to do. >> now there was another -- not widely noticed statement in a filing by the mueller team regarding the attorney, the london attorney who had been indicted and is trying to get home for the birth of his child, and there was a very strong statement which in fact then alluded to contacts between rick gates, the deputy campaign manager, during the campaign and known russian intelligence operatives from the gru. what questions does in raise? >> well, this i thought was a remarkable disclosure in this filing, and it is gone relatively underdiscussed, in my view. but according to this filing, for those who were looking and

thinking about collusion, the deputy campaign manager was in touch during the campaign with somebody whom he knew to be a former agent of the gru. >> let's just say there is no such thing as a former gru agent unless there's someone who's been brought to the united states or to someplace else under witness protection. >> i very much agree with that. and i think we keep -- trump keeps tweeting "no collusion," "no collusion." his deputy campaign manager during the campaign is having contacts with somebody he knows to be an agent of the russian intelligence apparatus. that strikes me as an extraordinary thing to happen on tuesday or whenever this story broke and kind of be gone from the news by thursday. >> this is not just some leak that's been developed by "the new york times," "the washington

post," nbc, cnn or anybody else. this is a filing from the special prosecutor who does not put anything out there that he doesn't want to be disclosed. >> correct. this is not a fake news or thinly sourced -- >> this tells you what mueller is looking at. >> this is actually the position of the government. that's an extraordinary thing. it's kind of gone from the news already. >> we'll keep talking about it then. thank you very much. great to see you. coming up -- what the white house calls a local matter in sacramento as stephon clark's family prepares for his funeral today. you're watch "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. i'm so frustrated. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com

that might help. show me the carfax. now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports at the all-new carfax.com.

when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. i we worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn't cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, turn off your lights! those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california.

he was a good farther. he played football. we went to his games. he always make you laugh. he really do. he had a personality and that smile was out this world. >> the grief of stephon clark's grandmother, remembering her grandson, he was killed by police in her own backyard in sacramento, california. the 22-year-old who will be laid to rest today was unarmed when

he was shot 20 times by police nearly two weeks ago. the fatal shooting has sparked heated protests. california's attorney general is now joining the investigation into the shooting. nbc's joe fire joins me from sacramento with the very latest. joe, what are we expecting from the funeral today? i know there's been a lot of anger, a lot of grief. >> reporter: that's right. that's the best way to sum it up, andrea. a lot of anger and a lot of grief. the funeral is scheduled to take place in an hour and a half. it is going to last a couple of hours. we've seen the schedule. a couple of pastors will read scripture, say prayers. there will be songs, poetry read. an hour into the service a eulogy will be read by the reverend al sharpton who is here at the request of the family. this follows the wake that happened yesterday over the course of about seven hours. friends and family came by, along with a number of people who didn't know stephon clark but wanted to pay their respects to the family. there were protests once again in the streets of sacramento

outside the district attorney's office with many calling on the d.a. to charge the officer. clark's family would like to see the federal government investigate this saying they'd like to see that extra layer of oversight on top of those here in sacramento. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders was asked yesterday about the high-profile police shootings. >> what does he say about weeding out bad policing when you continue to see these kinds of situations occur over and over again? >> certainly we want to make sure that all law enforcement is carrying out the letter of the law. the president's very supportive of law enforcement, but at the same time in these specific cases and these specific instances, those will be left up to local authorities to make that determination and not something for the federal government to weigh into. >> joe, saying this was for

local authorities rather than a national issue when in the past we've had the justice department move in very quickly to at least investigate whether there was a civil rights case as well. it is pretty remarkable. >> reporter: it is pretty remarkable. clearly, i got the impression when i was speaking with the family's attorney a couple days ago that they felt like this is the type of case that the department of justice would want to look into. that's certainly been ben crump's experience with some of these past cases. so to hear the white house basically say this is a local issue certainly surprised a lot of people in this community. it is not going to sit well with the family. they are grateful that the state attorney general has stepped in at the request of the city to provide some independent oversight but we do know the family wanted to see the federal government get involved in this case. >> joe fryer. i know you will be at the funeral and have reports later on "nightly news." clash of the titans. another tech giants going after

mark zuckerberg. who governed thousands... commanded armies... yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. my name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 5 times more detail than other dna tests. order your kit at ancestrydna.com

now with 5 times more detail than other dna tests. when it comes to travel, i sweat the details. late checkout... ...down-alternative pillows... ...and of course, price. tripadvisor helps you book a... ...hotel without breaking a sweat. because we now instantly... ...search over 200 booking sites ...to find you the lowest price... ...on the hotel you want. don't sweat your booking. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices.

i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications. and the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission in as little as 4 weeks. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,

including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. the truth is, we could make a ton of money if we monetized our customer. if our customer was our product, we could make a ton of money. we've elected not to do that. >> mark zuckerberg, what would you do? >> what would i do.

i wouldn't be in this situation. >> apple's ceo, tim cook, with chris hays slamming the head of facebook, mark zuckerberg, who's likely to face even more criticism if he testifies in front of congress, which is likely. he's been invited to three committees. but will he testify but lawmakers on capitol hill? thank you very much, row, good to see you again. tell us what you want to hear from mark zuckerberg and why has facebook been so reluctant to face the music, deal with it, and try to rectify these errors? >> well, andrea, thanks for having me back on. i think you are absolutely right, we need more transparency. but as tim cook has said, we also need well crafted regulation. self-regulation isn't going to cut it. i have said that we could have an internet bill of rights or a data bill of rights, some very

simple things. people need to be able to ask for their data just like you can ask for your health data. you should have to actually consent before your data can be used. i think this is a moment for people like cheryl sandberg and others to really show leadership and help rally so we can have nuanced regulation and actually get something passed in congress. >> our partners, channel 4 in the uk, are reporting that cambridge analytica still has data from all of these colorado residents that was previously amassed, that they have still not deleted the data that they said that they had deleted. >> right. it's very concerning. here's why -- let's say we had a law that said you have the right to ask for your data. well, then places like electronic frontier foundation would have made a data request

back in 2015 both of facebook and of cambridge analytica. if they didn't get the information about their data, the ftc could have subpoenaed them and we could have known about this before that data was abused. obviously in britain it was abused for the brexit campaign. and here people's data was used to manipulate a political process where they may have ended up unwittingly supporting a candidate's efforts that didn't align with their values. so it is a very serious concern and there's a very simple solution, which is we need to give people the right to their data. and in fact the obama administration had a proposed internet bill of rights. it didn't go anywhere back then because, frankly, enough tech leaders weren't behind it. i really think this is a moment where we need to get it done. >> what about the influence of the tech industry, especially on democratic politicians? >> well, look, i think that

technology plays a positive role in social media. let me give you two concrete examples. the parkland kids. i don't think they would have had as much influence or mobilization if it weren't for being on facebook live or on twitter. so i think many democrats say social media is empowering, it allows people to organize with the grassroots. but this technology has clearly been abused. and we've seen that self-regulation isn't going to work, so i think the democrats need to be tough and say, we're going to have regulation that's going to take place. now the question is, is it going to be nuanced and thoughtful regulation, which i think it will, if tech leaders step up and are part of the solution. if they don't step up, i fear you may actually have a sledgehammer approach that's not going to be good for innovation or the most thoughtful regulation. so i think everyone in congress has to come to the conclusion that we need to regulate to protect consumers' privacy.

>> what you know of your colleagues, do you think that they are knowledgeable in you have to come up with thoughtful regulation in such a complex area, to put it kindly? >> well, i think that there needs to be more nuance. for example, when people say let's just make facebook a utility, what they're saying, do you want to give facebook a guaranteed rate of profit of 15% and entrench them for the next 20 or 30 years? i don't think that's necessarily a good idea. i think that's treating them like pg and e. i think what would be much better is to come up with thoughtful proposals on what you can do with data, can you ask for your data, can you have affirmative consent, can you make sure your data is portable. and there's some really thoughtful people who have spent years, like larry lessing, nicole rung, thinking about these issues. i think we need to bring them in, have a thoughtful conversation and come up with regulation. regulation always lags behind

technology, but this is really a time not for sound bites, not for someone trying to get on the evening news by asking a clever question of mark zuckerberg. it is really a time to get leading thinkers on this in congress so that we can protect the american people and have nuanced regulation. >> i'd love it if you would also tee up our next conversation about amazon and the president tweeting now, certainly affirming it mike allen's reporting on axios, that the president is going after -- he's obsessed with amazon and the fact that he is tweeting today about it and talking about amazon. we don't know what his motivation is, whether he's concerned by things that he's hearing from pals of his in the receipt estate industry who own shopping malls and don't like online sales. but the fact is that he's tweeting with inaccuracies in his tweets about the sales tax paid by amazon and other online purveyors. what are the risks for amazon there when the president of the united states goes after a major

company? >> well, what's happened with the president, he often seems to have a political motive. i know he doesn't like what's reported in the "washington post" and he associates amazon with the "washington post" or bezos has an interest in the "post." i wish we would depoliticize this and look at the facts. is there a concern about amazon's acquisition of whole foods or mergers? absolutely, there is a concern in terms of what those kinds of mergers would do to small businesses businesses, to wages. instead of having the president tweet out, singling out companies, really this should be a matter for the justice department and not in a politicized way. but then as you know, andrea, this president has politicized almost every aspect of the federal government and it does no service to people who really want to have a thoughtful approach to prevent a monopolization. >> democratic congressman from silicon valley, thank you very

much. good to see you again. coming up next -- fan club president. the special call, roseanne barr received from the white house about the reboot of her hit show. the inside scoop next right here on "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us. the day after chemo might mean a trip back to the doctor's office,

just for a shot. but why go back there, when you can stay home, with neulasta onpro? strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection, which could lead to hospitalizations. in a key study, neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17% to 1%, a 94% decrease. applied the day of chemo, neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the next day, so you can stay home. neulasta is for certain cancer patients receiving strong chemotherapy. do not take neulasta if you're allergic to neulasta or neupogen (filgrastim). ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems, allergic reactions, kidney injuries, and capillary leak syndrome have occurred. report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, trouble breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. in patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. the most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. so why go back there? if you'd rather be home, ask your doctor about neulasta onpro.

not in this house. 'cause that's no average family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah! kraft. family greatly.

amazon is now being targeted with the company's stock falling more than $30 billion yesterday amid reports that the president is, quote, obsessed with amazon. reports by axios' mike allen, and that he wants to go after it. president trump tweeting this morning i have stated my concerns with amazon long before the election. unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state and local governments, use our postal system a their delivery boy causing tremendous loss to the u.s. and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business. but he seems to get his facts all wrong about that sales tax thing. let's get the inside scoop from "washington post" white house wouldn't ann gearin. >> they do pay sales tax. in the 45 states where there are

sales tax, amazon pays that. the second part of his tweet about the postal service is also not correct. the postal service in this case is providing a service to amazon. amazon is the client but they're making money doing that. . they've even special service on sundays to send packages. which did not used to be the case and they're doing that. they make money that way. >> clearly, there is concern. i should just point out jeff bezos owns amazon, owns "the washington post" now. you're here because you're our colleague and regular go-to, but the fact is, this could be very troubling for amazon, because of the regulatory power of the federal government. you've got the president of the united states going after a private company. >> yes, i mean, it's very unusual. unprecedented for a president to directly attack individual companies. amazon isn't the first. he's also done it to boeing and a couple of others. what makes this doubly, you know, complicated is -- well,

triply complicated really. so amazon is a giant global business, which, as jeff pointed out, does pay estate sales tax. but it, you know, is at the forefront of a business revolution, which the president is watching, and which legitimately the president of the united states has a role in seeing what happens next, right. so we have that separately, the owner of amazon owns "the washington post." the two things are distinction. but apparently not in the president's mind. and then you have the postal service. which, you know, was in decline long before the amazon became a giant business. and long before donald trump was president and he does also have a legitimate role in figuring out what to do about the post office. amazon is not the problem, the main problem for the post office. it's retirement system is. that's on him. >> and let's play a little bit

of sarah sand ers' briefing yesterday a little bit on the subject where she seems to confirm the president's concerns about amazon. >> the president talked repeatedly about making business practices in this country level for everyone across the board. i've heard him talk about it privately and publicly. i know it's something that he wants to see happen. beyond that, i don't have anything for you. >> if you look at the gdp and the transformation of america's economy, jeff, the president in trade, when he talks about trade deficits and doesn't talk about the services, surplus, with other countries like canada and mexico, he -- or with, in particular, with canada, he doesn't seem to understand the way the economy has changed, and that amazon and these other companies are making our country so much more competitive. >> well, yes -- >> and brick and mortar shopping malls. >> it's a huge part of the modern economy. just something worth adding on to what sarah said. i spoke to a white house

official about this. he also emphasized that the president has been sort of irritated about amazon and spoken about it for some time. which he did during the campaign. but there's not some sort of new move a foot about this issue. when the president tweets about it and it has the impact it has on the company stock, investors will start to ask what -- how is that going to affect policy. at least at this point it sounds like there's no particular policy move a foot at the white house, despite the fact it's an issue the president cares about. >> $30 billion is not chump change. >> not at all. >> extraordinarily, the downturn was matching facebook's and facebook has real substantive issues right now in the public sector. let's talk about the wall and the fact that the military will pay for the wall. a lot of controversy about that. we understand from our own reporting now that madison's confirming to people that he did speak to the president about those comments, but we don't know in what context clearly

about the omnibus most likely. if they want to find discretionary funds in the defense budget, there are ways to get around congressional appropriati appropriations. >> yes, it's not easy, but it can be done. and certainly the defense budget is the largest single pot of money, if you're looking for a big pot of money. that's the place to look. but the idea here that the president could say, hey, you know, have the pentagon do it, they've got a lot of money, right, have them do it. is pretty extraordinary for another reason, right? not only did the president originally say that mexico was going to pay for the wall, but he, you know, has already gone past a -- a potential congressional compromise here in which he would have gotten money the ordinary way. >> let me just briefly show you a picture that the president tweeted out saying it was already the construction of the

wall. l."l.a. times" pointed out that was not the wall at all. while i lose my voice, jeff, let's talk about roseanne. let's take a look at roseanne today, talking about the fact she got a calm fro tl from the house. >> she did, she did. >> i think it was on "gma." >> they said hold please for the united states of america. for the president of the united states of america. it was about the exciting thing ever. it was just very sweet of him to con grat la congratulate us. he really understands ratings and how they measure things. that's kind of been an interest of mine for a long time. >> the president calls roseanne, jeff. extraordinary. >> it is. it's fascinating that they talked about ratings. i mean, that's something he cares a lot about as a former reality television host. is obviously pleased to see a star of a very successful,

already, new sitcom, or rebooted sitcom, whose lead character is in favor of the president. and -- so interesting that he gave her a call and clearly she enjoyed it and it certainly resonated with a lot of people last night, with over 18 million people tuning in. >> the president watches his television. ann, jeff mason, we'll be right back. ♪ next chapter ♪

...most people. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real.

fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief from moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain, and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help.

and thanks for being with us. that does it for this edition of

"andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, on faceboo facebook, @mitchellreports. kristen welker joins us now. >> we begin with uncharacteristic silence from president trump. mr. trump did not answer shouted questions from the press when he left the white house just a short time ago on his way to ohio where he will talk about infrastructure. it's his first public appearance this entire week. another ohhigh-profile administration departure. and a deepening scandal around his alleged affair with an adult film star. we now know shulkin learned he was out as secretary of veterans affairs during a phone call from chief of staff john kelly. the public made aware in a presidential tweet. nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, my friend and colleague, was with the president in ohio. kelly, before