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shackled. these losers as the president calls them could not. >> all right. thanks to the three of you for being here. thank you for your analysis and your help tonight and that is "all in" for this evening. t"the rachel maddow show" start now. good evening, rachel. >> thank you. much appreciate, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us. happy thursday. so our on going list of senior level departures from the white house and trump administration frankly is quivering in anticipation of another cabinet secretary being added to this list. so far there are three trump cabinet secretaries on this wall. the first was tom price who resigned amid a scandal about his over the top luxury travel spending while running the department of health and human services and rex tillerson, there is rex tillerson, secretary of state, his firing has an asterisks over it because
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of the white house lying about the timing of when exactly rex tillerson was fired and then the white house firing another senior state department official thanks guy. ding. when that guy told the truth about when tillerson actually got canned. i know that i'm sort of the only person in the media fix saated this but it's an intriguing question. why did the white house go to such lengths to concoct a proven false story about when exactly rex tillerson got fired as secretary of state? we still don't know but that false story is why they had to fire that other guy on the way out the door, as well. then there was david schulkin and the white house went to some length to concoct a false story about that. in his case at v.a., administration said that he
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resigned when in fact david schulkin didn't resign. he didn't quit. they fired him and the white house has been caught in a lie trying to convince people he quit when he didn't. the number of high-level departures from the most chaotic presidential administration is a remarkable spectacle. i didn't used to have a chair that swivelled. when it comes to cabinet officials resigning the spectacle is more chaotic for them than these other officials who have quit or been forced out and as of tonight, we're on career death watch for another cabinet official and head of the epa scott pruit. his title is not up there, which is tartistarting to feel astoni when you consider the immense pileup of revelations about his pileup when you consider what we learned about him compared to the comparatively small things that have caused some of these
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other people their jobs. i mean, i do think it's possible, though, that in order to understand what is going on, it's possible one of the other names on this wall behind me, one of the other names on this list of high-level trump departures may actually help us explain a little bit about what is going on with the scott pruit story, the astonishing scandal and the guy on this list who could help us understand what is going on with scott pruit would be, where do we have him? there. special advisor to the president on regulatory reform. that is the sort of boring title that the trump administration gave a very high profile business guy who president trump was very, very, very excited to brag about knowing all through the campaign. >> you know, we have the greatest business people in the world. i have so many people endorsing me. carl icahn. he's a great natural, natural negotiator. carl icahn enforced me.
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>> we got carl icahn. carl icahn. carl icahn. carl icahn. carl acicahn. >> carl, carl icahn. the president liked to talk about him a lot during the campaign. he's a very rich, very famous corporate raider who built up an enormous personal fortune as a shareholder activist. he gets ahold of a controlling interest in the company. that means he gets himself or hand picked people on the board of that company and uses that control to pick that company up by its oranankles and shake it forces changes on companies that make them stronger and more profitable and sometimes he tears them apart and eats the assets but that's how he made his fortune. he's not a specialist in any one area of business. he's basically considered to be a polly math financial genius
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but he's cut a swath wherever he thinks he can use them to extract money for himself. the reason carl icahn is up there on that board, the reason he didn't last as special advisor to the president on regulatory reform is because of this reporting from reuters and this reporting from patrick keefe at the new yorker magazine. reuterss a and the new yorker documented how carl icahn used that trump administration white house gig like it was just any other carl icahn corporate raider business opportunity. he leveraged that gig into what may have ended up being hundreds of millions of dollars in personal profit for himself. one of his interests at the time, his business interest was a refinery concern up against significant environmental cost. he was very outspoken against those environmental regulations that impose those cost in his refinery business. when he was announced as trump's
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regulations are, the market responded especially by expecting that those environmental regulations would go away. turns out carl icahn placed his own bets on the markets that they would do that. and so when his bet paid off, he pocketed tens of approximate ss dollars and the value of his refinery went up into actions e he took as a government official. it's slightly more complicated than that but that was laid out by reuters and the new yorker. he had to go. he quit the night the new yorker article came out about him using the position to make himself potentially hundreds of millions of dollars. it was amazing. right after he quit the white house went through this remarkable exercise where they tried to pretend that carl never had that white house job in the first place. so what was there to quit?
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the press release announcing he had that job, i can't see a press release. can you? this doesn't say that. really weird. in that new yorker article, the one that ended carl icahn's brief career as a public official, we learned how scott pruit got his job. when he visited trump tower to discuss the top job the president elect concluded the interview by instructing pruit to walk two blocks up down to meet carl icahn. trump told scott pruit quote carl has some questions for you. scott goes up, meets with him and carl gets nominated on december 8th. the following day carl i scahn says i've spoken to scott pruit four or five times and i told donald he'll do away with many of the problems at the epa. that is reportedly how scott
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pruit got his job in the first place. carl gave it to him. since scott got that job at the epa, he's been an out of control, open speck et box of s about preferences and priorities and behavior as head of the agency hostile. everybody knew that. that's what trump ran on. but it was a surprise to everyone when we learned that scott pruit was charging the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars. it was initially around $20,000. we since learned it was over $40,000 to build himself a cone of silence in his office. a sound proof security booth inside his office at the epa where he could have secure communications without being listened to by anybody else in
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the epa except presumably the ones listening through fillings. we learned he charged tax players to install bio met trri locks and swept for bugs and charging taxpayers for an extended 24 hour a day, seven day a week multi man security detail which is far in excess of anybody else that's run that agency has had in keeping with the security requests, we learned he also sought to have taxpayers buy him a bulletproof suv with run flat tires and wanted taxpayers to buy a reception desk for the reception desk outside his office that would be a bulletproof desk. wow. pruit also claimed that his very intense security needs were eye he had to always fly at least first cloass, if not on charterd
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planes or military planes which are more expensive than private planes. pressed on the connection, scott pruit explained while someone once said something rude to hm l in an airport. it's unclear whether the person that said something rude to him in an airport said whatever he said that offended scott pruit, hey, scott, i think you're terrible and did that guy say by the way, i always sit in coach? so you better steer clear of me and my kind? i mean, somebody was mean to you at an airport. could you tell he was a low class rebel. nobody has been mean to you in first class? have you ever talked to anybody else in first class? it was a lot of weird stuff, weird and expensive stuff. there was an effort to buy him a $100,000 a month private jet membership to have a private jet
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on stand by whenever he wanted to go anywhere and he used an emergency contingency provision in the safe drinking water act meant to hire scientists in the event of a drinking water emergency, he used it instead to hire lobbyists and spokesperson and to give big raises, 30, 40, $50,000 raises to young staff members he brought with him to oklahoma. we then learned that one of those staffers who he gave a $30,000 raise to, she had among her taxpayer funded responsibilities, the job of shopping for potential apartments for scott pruit in washington d.c. and as you no doubt have come to know, that has since led to revelations that at least for the first year in office, where scott pruit loved in d.c. was a swan swan swan swanky townhouse that charged 50
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cla a night to stay there but only had to pay for night when is he slept in the building. that news broke last week. it's been getting even shakier for scott pruit since then. he's basically had a two-part defense as to why nobody should see that living rane ing arrang weird. the epa ethics staff signed off on that while the ethics staff clarified the only reason they did sign off is because they didn't exactly understand that arrangement. that's the only reason they okayed it. the only we had known. that's the $50 a night lobbyist house problem. the other half is he says even if he was living in the lobbiest house for $50 a night, he says that lobbiest did not have any business before the epa, that lobbiest did not have any business before his agency.
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>> why did you then except $50 a night to rent a condo prom tfro wife ocf a washington -- >> let's talk about that. that's been reviewed and market rate. >> from the wife of a lobby's. >> it has no business -- >> is that williams and jensen, major robblobbying firm. >> mr. heart has no clients that has business before this agency. >> mr. heart, my $50 a night landlord has no business before this agency. that was scott pruit's defense as of last night. turns out mr. heart, his lobbiest landlord absolutely does have clients with business before his agency. a good run down on this published tonight by sam stein at the daily beast detailing at least nine clients who absolutely have active business
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before the epa including a glass manufacturer that settled clean air act violations and a bunch of other companies at which point it becomes impossible to imagine. this cabinet official continuing to stay in this job, right? given this reported evidence of corruption and conflict of interest. his defense to what he's done has been disproven. he says he was cleared by ethics officials. ethics officials say bedidnwe d know that. they absolutely freaking did. but even after that like -- that end of the road stuff breaks, still more keeps coming about scott pruit, still more today he demanded security detail used sirens and lights to get him through traffic jams in washington d.c. despite the
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security detail said that wasn't allowed. cbs said pruit wanted the lights and sirens and "the new york times" said actually scott pruit told his security detail to do that thing with the lights and sirens not just to get him to an official event but at the airport and often times to fancy t dinners including specifically to this restaurant which apparently he loves to get to in a hurry and arrive with a splash when he dines there in washington. the reason we know these kinds of details about scott pruit's behavior is -- security team is among a large number of epa officials telling reporters they were demoted, reassigned or effectively fired by scott pruit when they confronted him about
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the crykazy spending. that said from what we know about the white house personnel office, they go to vape and play beer pong so maybe they didn't notice him at the door and knock him out. if scott pruit noticed and retaliated by demoting that guy who complained about him to the white house. since this avalanche of unflattering news has come down the mountain, his critics and pruit himself complained this might be what cost scott pruit his job. he's getting all the this attention not necessarily for substantive actions but this ethics stuff. i have heard that criticism from pruit but from people who are real critics of pruit and what he's trying to do.
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the important thing to recognize is his ethics stuff and substantive behavior as head of the epr are not separate and carl icahn is part of what proves it. just pick out one of these scandals, right? the inspector general is looking into this luxury travel that scott pruit has taken on the taxpayer's time. one of the most lavish of the trips is a trip first class with seven staffers and an undisclosed number of staff to morocco in december and there is all sorts of amazing scott pruit ethics thorns on this rose. why were they all flying first close? why did he bring seven people and a full security detail. one of the staffers he gave a $50,000 bump in salary to courtesy of the safe tridrinkin water act. another staffer he brought is a woman named samantha dravis who
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quit sometime in the last few days amidst the scandal. the top democrat on the senate environment committee last week sent the inspector general a request to look into the e employment because he said he's been notified for november, december and january, he didn't show up to work. even though she was quote likely compensated as a full-time employee throughout that time. well, during that time she did apparently go on that first class trip to morocco and according to a letter prfrom elijah cummings, part of the fun is they took a layover on the way. on the way to morocco, they decided to stay overnight in paris on a saturday night, december 9th and it must have been a good time because according to congressman comings, they quote missed thei
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morocco at 10:25 that morning that meant another big day in paris. it resulted in lots of time in paris for scott pruit and his entourage all flying first close including his peeps from oklahoma he got big raises for and this other aid not allegedly doing any work at the time for that month or the month before or after even though taxpayers were paying her salary. sounds like the tour for which they should have made t-shirts at the end, right? is the thing, what was this trip to morocco "the washington postt pruit and epa aids spent four days in morocco promoting natural gas. they met with officials and tried to talk them into making a major change in the economy.
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he went to plaqmorocco and took trip to convince them to import natural liquid gas to meet the country's energy needs. that's a weird thing for an epa administrator to do. they play no formal role. such activities are over seen by other u.s. government agencys is li -- agencies like the government department. the only active liquified natural gas export plant in the united states at that time was one owned by taniar energy. it's fun to read through the business reporting about carl icahn using leverage to get the
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ce, oc ceo of the company fired. the only lick quified natural g. if you buy liquified natural gas in the united states, you get it through that company. carl icahn gets scott pruit his job. scott pruit flies to morocco and what does he go for? to promote the company and persuade in persuade inexplicably to provide american gas to the benefit of papa carl icahn's pet financial project and if this is farfetched, this happened before he has to resign in a accept are the -- separate matter.separate matter. and in addition to his
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connection to carl icahn, scott pruit at the time was also living for $50 a night in the home of the principle lobbiest for the company. so all this to say, don't worry about whether the focus on the bonfire of scott pruit's ethics is distracting to his behavior at the epa. it's one in the same story. but as of tonight, he's still in that job. anybody know why? ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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announced this week that caused china to announce retaliation measures. here is a direct quote from republican senator ben sass of nebraska in response to what president trump asked for. direct quote, no kidding. quote, hopefully the president is just blowing off steam again, but if he's even half serious, this is nuts. china is guilty of many things but the president has no actual plan to win right now. he's threatening to light american agriculture on fire. let's absolutely take on chinese bad behavior but with the plan that punishes them instead of us, this is the dumbest possible way to do this. okay. republican senator ben sass tell us what you really think. i should also tell you in terms of developing news that we have brand-new news in the special counsel russia investigation, a new court filing has just been made public put on the docket as we were getting on the air. thanks to this new filing we
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know as recently as last month, muell mueller's prosecutors were executing more search warrantsa them seeking materials for quote on going investigations that were not the subject of prosecution involving paul manafort. oh. and on top of that, honestly, nobody can figure out how it's possible the epa administrator is on his job afternon-step headlines covering everything prom h from him living in a will be bib -- lobbiest house or maybe not thought as important enough once he got there. joining us now is the great nicole wallace, host of "deadline white house" weekdays. nice to see you, my friend. >> nice to see you. >> you're hosting in for brian's
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show tonight. >> i am filling in at 11:00. >> thank you for coming in early to talk. let me talk to you about epa stuff. you went through crisis in the george w. bush white house. every white house has its own level of scandal. c do you have any sense of the rhyme or reason why a person quits this administration versus it being something you're a l allowallo allowed to stay on? >> there is no rime hyme or rea. the new york times reporting and you referenced it about the six individuals that amount to whistle-blowers basically. they objected to administrator pruit's conduct. >> to his face. >> two of them include dpreshls -- presidential appointees.-
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presidential appointees. presidential appointees. about policies you covered in depth, that's not the case for pruit. these are people that had concerns about pruit's conduct and a phone booth and weird stuff about the rot of ethics and they were people that knew donald trump personally. one was one of his advance guys. that's a body guy that has every white house staffer on advance team on his cell phone. the other one was chief of staff, placed in epa by the presidential personnel office. you covered the story in the washington post about a game called icing where i might start playing it myself where you runaround and the person that finds the vodka has to drink it. that's the office. >> the beer pong office. >> the icing office placed the chief of staff at epa in his job. he is someone that can get high-level white house staffers on the phone. this pruit story is a white
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house dysfunction story and the notion they didn't know what was going on is an i' inplausible account. >> there are reports that there is a scott pruit fan club effort in among the industries that he's been so favorable to. >> no surprise. >> they are lobbying heavily conservative media and lobbying right wing influencers to make this a witch hunt against scott pruit to get the white house to pledge to keep him on. there an organized effort to say scott pruit shouldn't be a reason he's pushed out. >> ethics, nobody cares. it's difficult to get smeared in an ethics scandal in the trump administration. this is a president that taught the country what the word means. he never separated himself from his own business. it's an oxy moron. a trump administration ethics
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scandal. >> but you're saying in this case what is different, what we've crossed into that's new territory is what looks like an ethics scandal may become more powe tabl potent and dangerous for him. >> they are not people who are offended by the dismantling of our regulations to keep the air and water clean. they are not plowing a whistle on enhanced interrogations. these are people who largely agree with the dismantling of all of our clean air and water regulations who are blowing the whistle on conduct that's so reprehensible they could pick up the phone and call friends in the white house office of presidential personnel, which you have to assume is the office that placed pruit's chief of staff. this is a white house story than being covered now and i think those flashing red lights. there is also a flashing neon light and something seedy about
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this story and gross and i don't think conservatives wrapping their arms will feel good about that at the end of this. >> do you think he'll go? >> i don't think he lasts because the defense is aligned with everything the president wants to do. so is jeff sessions. nobody is safe. somebody that dominates, trump confide confident. he says is kelly okay? is kelly safe? nobody is safe. nobody is okay. >> wow. nicole ellis, white house veteran, the house of "deadline white house" at 4:00 and hosting the reque"11th hour" and a spec look at robert mueller.
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the mueller investigation tonight. i mentioned the new filing tonight from the special counsel's office which reveals as recently as last month, they executed a search warrant last month, march on top of the six previous search wants they obtained. paul ma thnafort asked him to provide it in unredacted form in the latest search warrant quote relating to on going investigations that are not the subject of either of the current prosecutions involving paul manafort. so last month as of march, they were still executing search warrants against refacting information that relates to on going investigations that aren't the subject of either of the
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prosecutions involving paul ma th -- manafort. that's breaking news item number one. the second is this, a form of this -- comes in the form of this story which is just out which tells us two things. here is the first. quote, special counsel robert mueller's investigators this week questioned an associate of the trump organization involved in overseas deals with president donald trump's company in recent years. armed with subpoenas that, el t electronic records, mueller's team showed up unannounced at the home party to multiple transactions connected to trump's efforts to expand his brand abroad. part of what is very intriguing here, tonight he doesn't name this trump business associate who was questioned at his home and searched this week by the special counsel's team, but the other thing we learned is mueller's team is very keen on
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asking about one person in particular, quote, investigators were particularly interested in interactions involving michael d. cohen, trump's long-time personal attorney among other things, cohen was involved in business deals secured or sought by the trump organization in georgia, the nation of georgia, in kazakhstan and in russia. i don't know what any or all of this signals but we do have a federal prosecutor on tap to help us out with this. stay with us.
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i have some questions. you know i start off not just the day but every show like we're live at 9:00 ooereastern . i sit here at the top of the show and i have a few questions in mind i would like to have answered and you get into the show and the breaking news happens in the middle of the show and the questions, they
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change over the course of the hour so i have new ones. we just learn in a new court filing just made public tonight that trump's campaign chair paul manafort has had seven search warrants executed against him already. seven. including one most recently last month. when i started this show, i didn't know i would have this question but now i want to know, dude was indicted in october. dude was later indicted, again, what in february? are they doing still executing search warrants against him in march? as of last month after he's on trial on two different sets of dozens of felony charges and in the search warrants, the government says it can't un unrefact them because some of the information pertains to on going investigations unrelated to the existing prosecutions of paul manafort. does that mean manafort is in
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way more trouble than we can see or something they are seizing from manafort that relates to on going cases against other people? joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney from the state great of alabama, somebody that gets these things much better than i do. thanks for being here. i'm somewhat incoherent. >> you're not incoherent. >> thank you. you're nice saying it that way. let's listen to the new filing just been made public. nobody had that much time to review it. it appears from back and forth between manafort's lawyers and muell mueller's prosecutors this is the seventh search warrant executed against paul manafort and this can't be reacted even though manafort's lawyers want that because it relates to on going investigations. that vehicles me as strange given manafort is in trail in two different jurisdictions. does this seem more typical for you as someone that's been
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through federal prosecutions? >> it would maybe be a little unusual if this is your standard simple case but in a complex white collar investigation or public corruption case, you'll often see this wave of indictment with on going investigation and although you can't continue to use the grand jury to investigate once you indicted a defendant on certain charges, you can continue to investigate other crimes on going crimes or as you point out perhaps even crimes that manafort is not the defendant or the target that they are investigating. so a couple different possibilities here. >> over the course of a criminal trial, does the defendant and his legal team have the right to see unredacted versions of the search warrant used to obtain evidence in the government's case? >> usually they do, but here mueller's team makes very clear that they have only redacted two
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kinds of information. they redacted information to protect the identity of their confidential sources, which they are entitled to do under supreme court president and reacted information that would possibly impair on going investigation, saying they are also entitled the do that and clarify the search warrant stands on its own that sufficient probable cause is accomplished by the unredacted information they provided to manafort. this looks like a situation where the government wins and point out three of the search warrants aren't reredacted in a way. >> it's also reported tonight that a business associate of the trump organization this week had a very dramatic encounter with mueller's team. quote, armed with subpoenas that
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compelling electronic record, mueller's team showed up una unannounced this week. this comes on the heels that mueller's team has been doorstoping -- airport stopping a number of different people in this investigation, george nature wnat nador, a number of russian ol oligarchs, all these people described as being stopped at the airport and being confronted in some cases took electronics and phones and searched them on the spot. that from a civilian perspective seems like an incredibly invasive and aggressive tactic. is that also a typical investigation tactic? >> the fourth amendment protects us from search and seizure or simply people present in the
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united states. invest ga investigators can't stop and you can't seize things without a search warrant. everything is different at the border and when you're coming through customs, law enforcement actually doesn't need a warrant. they don't even need probable cause. interestingly mu lly enough, th interesting from the home of atlanta, one of the biggest airports in the world that confirms for your cell phone or computer, at the border the police don't need a warrant. they can ask you for those items and compel you to take a look. >> in customs at the border they don't need a warrant in the case of this business associate that had folks show up at his house, they had subpoenas that compelling records according to this late breaking reporting. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney from alabama, really appreciate your time tonight, joyce, thank you.
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that's been out is what's leaked from an event he spoke where he thought it was in private. politico said he hopes supreme court justice anthony kennedy retires this year otherwise he says republicans might be in for a route in november. >> i believe that we're gonna have another supreme court justice this year. i think kennedy is going to retire sometime early summer. that being the case, republicans are going to have another opportunity to put a supreme court justice in place, which i hope will get our base motivated because they're not motivated right now. that was a few weeks ago dean heller wishing and hoping that supreme court justice kennedy will resign with perfect timing. that was audio he didn't know was going to be made public. now it happened again.
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dean heller gave a speech in which he offered a prescription for how someone could beat him. he told the nevada republicans men's club that democrats outnumber republicans in nevada by about 60,000 he said, quote, if we can get that number below 60000. the number of registered democrats below 50,000 i can't lose. then he said this. the audio is choppy but this is him talking about voter registration in nevada. that audio at a private event obtained by the los angeles review journal, their reporter colton lockhead, what he says is
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we have f we have 100,000 manufacture registered republicans than democrats in the state of nevada i can't win. let me say that again, i can't win. that's what's called a road map pit's like dean heller said, are there any rich democrats anywhere in the country that want to fund voter registration efforts in nevada because if there weren't those that wanted to fund that five minutes ago, now that he has broadcast that sentiment on what it takes to beat him, there will be 5,000 that want to absolutely fund that effort. we'll be right back. so all... evening long. ooh, so close. yes, but also all... night through its entirety. come on, all... the time from sunset to sunrise. right. but you can trade... from, from... from darkness to light. ♪
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last summer congress almost u unanimous mousily passed a law that required the trump administration to draw up a list of russian oligarchs to be hit with sanctions as punishment for them attacking our election in 2016. specifically the law said to draw up a list of high net worth individuals who were known to acquire their wealth thanks in part to putin. despite that, trump administration put out nothing else, that was copied out of the forbes list of people in russia. p the real list required by the law was made or worked on at the state department and agencies
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that were responsible for this law and producing sanctions. we never found out what happened to that list, the real list. routers is first to print that they're planning to list its first sanctions on russian oligarchs tomorrow. if that reporting is true, it's going to be interesting to see if the oligarchs list comes from the table of contents of forbes magazine or we'll see the real list we believe was created. if it turns out to be the list mandated by congress, hoping to hurt putin by making it difficult for his friends, that could cause some real action from russia. it's going to be worth watching to see what that list looks like. that does it for us tonight we'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> as you reported michael cohen's life got more in
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