so much. thank you. so we're doing it. yes. start saying yes to your company's best ideas. we help all types of businesses with money, tools and know-how to get business done. american express open. welcome to "politics nation." this week i traveled the country attending events, commemorating the 50th anniversary of dr. martin luther king's assassination. meanwhile, president trump continued to push for his agenda of america first, deploying national guards to defend the border with mexico, preparing to withdraw u.s. troops from syria, and starting a trade war with china. see the connection?

i do. dr. king fought for world peace. in his last year he was aggressive in questioning u.s. involvement in vietnam and talking about the interconnectiveness of global human rights struggles. as we remember dr. king this week, we have a president that is playing one against the other. it's the mexicans, even mentioning rape again. dividing, playing in a narrow kind of american nationalism. seems the contrast is striking. and therefore the mandate for those of us that believe in global human rights is clear. joining me now is atimaamtimaamd former president of young

democrats of america and gop strategist and author, noel nick port. let me go to you first noel. the president this week, he put sanctions on some of the russian oligarchs and companies, major aluminum company in the world, forcing american companies like boeing can't buy aluminum from this company. the second biggest company in aluminum is in china and now he's put tariffs there. so he's really putting a real squeeze on a lot of american companies that he has said he would be the champion of, which will cost jobs and close plants. how do you justify what he's doing to his own base? the tariffs that will affect farmers here when you're dealing

with pork and other exports. i mean he's hurting his own base that the gop got elected on. >> well, reverend, i think what donald trump is doing, there was an interview with larry kudlow in which he said this is a form of negotiation so nothing really has happened yet but i do understand your point and i think if it goes forward and we do have the tariffs, it's going to have some ramifications, that's for sure, along with maybe a collateral damage would be farmers, which is not good. but you know, you've got to realize that i think while tariffs are not good, this has gotten the attention of the chinese and they have been stealing intellectual property. with this said, i think that if we can get the chinese to do some sort of a negotiation and

get this right, then donald trump will be a hero with the base. but as you said, if this goes forward and these things do happen, then it is going to hurt the base and this might affect the mid-terms. >> oh, well, i mean, i think that that is very interesting defense. he may be just saying it as a negotiating and may be bluffing but if he's not it's going to hurt the base. i may be one that will be waging on that because at the same time we've got to remember here, that we're talking about a president that pulled out of the trade agreement, the asian trade agreement, that has opened the door for china to go into a lot of countries, noel, and negotiate trade disagreements since we pulled out. i don't know if bluffing china is exactly something that's going to make them blink or not. >> well, hopefully he'll listen

to larry kudlow. larry kudlow is one of the best guys i know and i'm glad he's in the administration and glad he's close to trump. >> he's also a guy that said -- also said he didn't know about the tariffs until the night before. i don't know how far in he's in the administration but how do you read this? the republicans are saying yeah, we might hurt the base and it may be bad and yeah, you're right, it could be collateral damage, even the president said you might suffer a little bit, but they say we may be bluffing even though the chinese really didn't have a real motive to be intimidated at this point. >> yeah, i think for him, this is a lot of america first talk, actually not a lot of action. i think he's on loafiating a live bit. they want to say he's a economic populist of some kind and if he was and fill sofically believed that and would have built his own business empire using making

american products in america as opposed to china or actually hiring american workers at his resorts. i think this is just something that he cares about in regards to keeping the base motivated because they think, yeah, tax, extra on china and think that's a great idea and he's constantly watching the conservative media which informs a lot of his business. if his poll ratings go up, which he's seen a little bit and use as justification for this blusterring, he's going to keep doing that. i think at the end of the day, he's not really going to do anything that spooks wall street investors or hurts companies that benefit from imported goods like china, like his company. >> all right, but my concern is that i'm not as concerned about wall street but as i am farmers and people that are underground, including his own base. and i think that noel is right,

he can't affect the midterm elections. you talk about playing to his base -- >> i was -- >> let me ask this. >> yeah. >> he went back on this whole ran about the fbi and they didn't go after hillary, it seems like he goes all the time back to the same thing, he's once again using the name. hillary clinton to excite his base. accusing the department of justice of quote, slow walking lawmakers request for documents connected to presidential election. >> yeah, absolutely. he -- you know, he is best when he has somebody who is foiling him and that's clearly -- the conservative media -- looked his best when he had hillary doing this, hillary is doing that, disinstructing away from anything that he's doing. i would say to your earlier point, i would agree with you on the fact that this will hurt i think american workers and at

the end of the day and i think that specifically if you're looking at free trade agreements and if he was really interested in helping his base and people who are interested in voting for him and all of american voters he would be negotiating free trade deals that would not have foreign workers getting paid slave wages because u.s. worker going up against that in a free trade geagreement which is the status now, american workers will lose every time. >> he went back to another favorite campaign hallucination when he started saying in his, well, his freestyling because he threw the script away, freestyling in west virginia about voter fraud. here we are commemorating martin luther king instrumental in the voting rights acts and he's talking about voter fraud when many of us are concerned and the last administration was about voter suppression and he had a commission that has not been

able to establish voter fraud. what voter fraud? people come from somewhere millions of fraudulent votes and just evaporate in mid air? >> well, reverend, i think that he likes to rally that base. and whatever donald trump wants to talk about, he just goes off script and he rallies his base and they love him. they showed up -- anyone that showed up at the west virginia rally, they are for trump. whatever trump says, they are for him. and you know, one of the things he may needs -- maybe he needs to be more concerned about is the russian meddling in our elections. >> that's right. >> that's really alarming -- >> those are real people -- >> hasn't touched on that. >> those are real people that don't evaporate in mid-air. we can't find these millions of people that cast these votes. we can find some russian interference that has even big confirmed by his own intelligence. i have to leave it there.

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as i speak, military troops are heading to the u.s.-mexico border under orders from president trump. he made it official on wednesday with this pro clamation, the mission support the department of homeland security secure the international border with national guard troops. my guest, my next guest says he'll work with the president on border security when his ideas

aren't stupid. he's democratic congressman ruben guyego. he said when his ideas are not stupid, i think he took exception with that. what are stupid about his ideas in your opinion? >> well, many things, number one this is not a national emergency. calling up the national guard to make it seem like we're in some type of crisis sets a very bad precedent. the president did this on a whim. you shouldn't use your military in that matter. this is an expensive way to go about this. these are going to be men and women and not going to be armed and have arresting authority. they are going to be staring at monitors and calling the border patrol. >> let me push you right there, i don't think people understand that. they will not be armed.

they will not merely be doing anything but standing there watching. so this is just really playing on the emotions of his base because they really have no real function of being able to stop much of anything. >> correct, the only thing he wants to stop is his sliding poll numbers with his base. that's why he's activating these men and women. 4,000 for -- men for a border that's more than around 2,000 miles long is ridiculous. but it's also expensive. when president bush did this from 2006 to 2008, it cost $1.2 billion. this is probably going to cost around the same thing, now we're dealing with today's numbers, just for -- to think about something, we gave the president $1.2 billion more in border security so he could beef up the border, add more professionals. that is going to get in the way right away was the president going to do this on a whim instead of being professional and try to figure out a solution

and realize there is no problem and should let the professionals at border patrol continue doing their job. >> homeland security statistics show a sharp drop from about 1.6 million illegal border crossings in the year 2000 to just over 300,000 in 2017. so it's like he's a solution looking for a problem rather than a problem in need of a solution. he's already on the decline. the economy in latin america is improving, we have put in billions and billions of dollars worth of border efforts and border security efforts from bush to obama and now to trump. it makes it more difficult and more people are coming over the border overstaying their visas, they are actually crossing illegally quote/unquote by just staying here longer. using these men and women to sethly be glorified camera watchers or video watchers is

wasteful and it's a bad precedent. we should not allow presidents to be using these types of scenarios or i should say we should not be using presidents to activate our military just so you can distract your base and/or hopefully bolster your base. that is just -- you think about that. think about president obama had done that, people would be screaming their heads off right now. >> congressman, you're opposing your own governor there in arizona but the republican governor of nevada, sandoval agrees with you. this is not a strictly partisan issue. it's about common sense and as you say doing something stupid. >> if you take apart -- if you take away the labels to this and just ask somebody should you put 4,000 men and women at the border based on the president's whim or just something he saw on fox news, no matter what party you belong to, you would say no,

that is being an irresponsible leader. for some reason we have a lot of republican leader thats just afraid to stangd d up to donald trump and say this is not an appropriate use of my men and women. if you're the governor of any state, the national guard are your men and women and the president is asking for you to send them, not ordering, that's a different story. had he ordered, i think you would have to send it. but you have a right to say no and these are basically being notioned in the duty. >> thank you, congressman gallego for being with us this morning. a reminder, registration is now open for this year's national action network's national convention, april 18th to the 21st in new york city. as the country marks the 50th anniversary of dr. martin luther king jr.'s assassination and as the community refocuses efforts to stand against -- stand united against president trump's anti-civil rights policy agenda.

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bernice king and brother dexter at the crypt as he watched them stand there in the exact hour that their father had been killed. i was a little disturbed that a lot of people were paying more attention to dr. king's -- how he was killed than why he was killed. he was killed because he stood up against militaryism and stood up against the forces that have economic inequality and he stood up against racism. he fought for people that have the right to vote for union workers or organizers like lee sanders and others raised in memphis with the march this week. he fought against the military intervention in vietnam. he did not get hit by driveby shooting. it was those that wanted to stop a dream of equality, fairness and economic justice.

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i cannot stress enough that the trump presidency is among other things a backlash to nearly a decade of a black man occupying the nation's highest office. that should be sobering to think about. on this week that we reflected on the half century since the death of reverend dr. martin luther king jr., how can a nation that elected this president of quote s-hole countries and neo-nazis of very fine people and a white house from his staff down to his interns is the least diverse in 30 years, how can this country honestly say that they respect dr. king's dream and still take it seriously.

let alone defend it. joining me now is john, reporter for the new york times and jennifer jones austin and ceo of the director of protestant welfare agencies and a writer for the atlantic who wrote about the whitewashing of king's athat is nation for the magazine special on king this month. you and the federation do a great job in policy analysis. from a pure policy point of view, when you look at voting rights of dr. king, his efforts around open housing and his efforts around the civil rights act, which includes criminal justice, how does this administration weigh just on the policies that made dr. king dr. king? >> when you think about all of those policies that you just spoke to, everything from

housing, education included, health care, what we're seeing is a dismantling of some of the gains that have been made over the course of the last many years. we are seeing if you take an example education, there's less of an interest in quality education, they talk about choice. but what we've seen across america is that choice by weigh of charter schools or vouchers is not enough. what we're seeing in the area of housing, one of the greatest gains that can be achieved through housing is homeownership. and for lower income americans, blacks, what we're seeing with this administration is an effort to undo policies and programs that support housing home purchasing for lower income black americans. we see it in many areas, health care, health care under the affordable care act, many, many more black americans access affordable health care. what we saw over the course of the first 15, 16 months of this presidency was an effort to dismantle that and they did some of that. >> john, you know, a lot of what we've seen also is in the

criminal justice area, something dr. king, people don't want to mention it, he talked about police brutality, some issues that many of us have dealt with in the last several years again, just in the last ten days. i was staying at the king memorial in memphis and atlanta, i did a eulogy less than a week before that over an unarmed young man killed by police in sacramento. and stephon clark and while i was at the crypt watching his children, dr. king's children, i have a young man killed in brooklyn, new york who had some mental health questions but shot done and killed in brooklyn. so this whole question of criminal justice is something that dr. king addressed 50 years ago, president obama began moving towards what a police commission and maybe putting cameras on police and other

things, but has been totally reversed by this administration from commuting of sentences, to even questioning the police and the president saying don't be nice to people when you arrest them. >> yes, certainly, i mean, i think what you're seeing when i talk to a lot of activist and folks about the criminal justice area, they are concerned about things like the justice department rolling back some of these consent decrees and not wanting to go after cities and really focus on their policing. and i think what you're seeing here, a heavy concern as to is there going to be some sort of law and order agenda and that's what folks are really concerned about, whether it's going to be -- you've had lots of talk on both the republican and democratic side about prison reform and less incarceration, and now seeing the struggle play in the white house where jeff sessions and attorney general he wants to go one way in terms of more of aggressive strategy in urban communities where you have people like jared kushner who want to maybe step back and look at policies that will lead to less incarceration. there's a real tension going on

right now that is happening within the administration as you look outside the administration and activists and people who have done work on this front that a lot are they concerned whats going to happen and what they can do going forward. >> you talked about the whitewashing of dr. king. and as one that grew up in the king movement, i was 13 when he was killed, just become youth director, under dr. william jones who headed the chapter for dr. king in new york. dr. king was not as well loved and applauded and exhalted in the last few years as people would try to lead people to believe. and his politics was under attack by mainstream media at the time of his death. >> oh, yeah, definitely. you look at gallup polls from 1956. we don't have them from '67 and '68. but gallup polls shows majority

of americans, good majority of americans disapproved of king. you look at polls from the last few years of his life, majority -- strong majority of white americans thought he was damaging the civil rights movement. and you see when he gets into -- especially when he begins to oppose the vietnam war, kings becomes persona nongrata among moderates and people who support his agenda back when he was fighting with -- when he was launching the boycott -- >> head of naacp and urban league attacked him for coming out against the war in vietnam. >> yeah. what you find these are difficult positions, he was developing a trio, the three evils of mill tarrism and poverty and racism and saw that i believe committing to those three things, was an unpopular thing, not just among the white sort of -- the bigots who he fought during the jim crow days, it was most of america.

he was questioning the actual foundations of american economics, politics and those are things that i believe when he was assassinated, that's what he was assassinated for for one and there was a strong counter revolution that was built against the ideas of challenging those things. and you see nixon become president on the wings of that counter revolution. >> i think nixon became president also because a lot of the progressive forces were spending a lot of energy fighting each other, rather than fighting for their cause, which i also think president trump benefited from. i mentioned aside from you being a major policy leader, you're the daughter of one of dr. king's leaders who raised me in the movement. one of the things that i think mistook, they say today there are different models in the movement. there always was. there were different models when dr. king was alive.

you have students that said he was -- and those that were black nationalists and power advocates and those traditional like the naacp urban league. it's never been a monolith. i read people that say they are hallucinatin hallucinating, there was no dr. king model. >> i think what people seek to do, create a divide and draw distinctions and try to say there's infighting or there are factions that are coming once again another. that's always been the case. what we sought to do in the 1960s was bring people together. you brought the progressive national baptist community and southern leerdship conference. >> operational unity. i was a teenager, that's what we had to deal with. >> one of the things when we look back 50 years ago and compare w457d then with what is happening today, 1968, we have

in dr. martin luther king jr., some did not agree with him, we have a black leader who was being respected and revered for the work he was doing to try to address income inequality and equities, we started to see the same thing in our president, barack obama. what did nixon do in 1968? he put up this us versus them platteform for his candidacy. and that's the same thing we saw with president trump. it's fascinating that 50 years from 1968 we're seeing the very same thing. >> john, you wrote a very compelling piece about the impact and effect the movement has on activists and those that get involved, people forget outside of what you see from all of us, these things affect you, stress and other things and if you're not built for this, in the case i grew up in the church, a spiritual outlook,

this stuff can break you. it was a piece that reminded people, people don't understand the stress martin luther king had to work with being attacked by friends always under scrutiny, being monitored by government and you know, people call all of us opportunists, this is not a bed of roses if opportunism is what you want. >> certainly, to what van spoke to and the last years of dr. king's life, he was not a popular person. what you see -- it's like when we look at activists and activism, what we see is the front lines and people out marching and see people out being very strong figures but the fact is when they go home, a lot of this work they are doing, they are doing for little or no money at all. it takes a toll on them. what you see is you see a lot of folks trying to figure out, hey, where do we -- how do we come together and help each other? that's what i really found very compelling about this. now that you do have in this era and maybe you could talk to this more, what i hear is back in the

old days, there wasn't as much concern about what do we do about mental health and what not but now people are talking about that and the conversation is going on. it really so societal shift. more comfortable to come out and talk about mental health, you see nba players -- >> i think you're right. >> very strong bold figures and seeing it come out even more. that's trickling down and can only help people doing this work which is very stressful and often times you don't really get. of a reward. >> i have to leave it there. it's very true what you're saying, thank you, van, thank you jennifer and thank you john. up next, two time mba world champion and mvp steph curry, my conversation with him on athletes taking political stands in the era of trump and why he didn't go to the white house. you're watching politics nation. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer,

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the court, he hasn't hesitated to use his platform as an athlete, whether standing up for kids drinking substandard water or standing up to president trump running a substandard white house, i recently spoke with curry about his work as a paid spokesman for brita and its campaign to improve drinking water in america's schools. and if he's lost any sleep over president trump saying mean things about him. >> steph curry, we're happy to have you with us, particularly about what you're doing about contamination in drinking water, which students and schools, this has been an issue that a lot of people are not aware of. and after flint and other things where we saw contamination, for what you're focusing on is very

important. tell us about the program. >> i'm definitely fortunate to be an opportunity to partner with brita on the filter for the future campaign to help schools combat the contaminated water and to cut down on reliance on bottled water as a solution. you talked about schools are finding lead and other chemicals in the water and forced to set off fountains and rely on bottled water to give students as the only option. so as part of this campaign, with brita, every -- every purchase of a brita long last pitcher or filter, one dollar from the sale will goes towards donating hydration stations to schools across the country to give their students safe and cleaner drinking water options. and cut down on that waste. so we're helping students and helping schools and community but also helping the

environment. >> now, why is this important to you? everyone knows your father, your daughter is as famous as you are. why is this issue so important to you? >> i mean, you obviously a perspective around not only helping the students but parents concerned about their kids going to school and investing themselves, bettering themselves for the future to help them not have to worry about what their kids are consuming in their bodies and their health is a huge conversation and a lot of importance on that. and this is a national problem. this is close to home being here in oakland and oakland school district and dealing with these issues but it's an issue that is widespread across the country. so you know, for students you don't have to worry about what's in their water when they are going to school. it seems very simple as a need

but something that we i think we're making a small step in helping that conversation and helping find that solution. >> let me ask you, how are you doing? we know you've been dealing with injuries and all of us are looking at the nba playoffs, how are you physically doing? >> i'm doing okay the rehab process is coming along nicely. it's no fun to be on the sidelines and be out but in the grand scheme of things, the timing is okay for me to come back sometime to join my team and chase another championship. i'm excited about that opportunity and this is kind of what it's all about. this is the best time to be a basketball fan and what's going on in college basketball and also the nba playoffs coming up. >> talking about championships, i took note of course as many did that your team and you did not go to the white house but

decided to do a really day of service in the washington, d.c. area. what were your feelings about that? i know you . some of what he was doing but it does not seem like the same kind of relationship with president trump. >> it's definitely different, but for us, we wanted to control the conversation and the narrative about what was being celebrated on the back end of our championship. to have the opportunity to go to d.c. and reach out to the community and youth there and bridge the gap and give them an experience and a history on at the national african american history and culture museum, it was an amazing opportunity to share that interaction with the kids. i think we all learned something about where we come from as a

nation in our history, and also, where we're trying to go and all the work that's being done by countless groups, countless people and warriors in the community. so i think we did some good with it. i think we understood the opportunity we had to, like i said, just spread love and positivity and that's what it really was all about. >> you have not been reluctant to speak out on issues if you felt they should be addressed and it has been a lot of -- it has in many ways encouraged a lot of people to understand that you're not just an athlete, your colleagues are not just an athlete. how do you feel when you hear someone say just dribble and shut up? >> i mean, that's disheartening, but it's not surprising when you understand the conversation that is really going on behind closed

doors, now it's just in your face. to be able to, you know, like you said, stand for somebody, be a voice for people that don't have a voice themselves, be thoughtful and be human first, not just an athlete, we all are connected to the community, as well. so that's something that i think myself, my colleagues in the nba, front office, coaches, players all the way around we've been really, you know, diligent in the responsibility of taking a stand and being active when it comes to the issues going on in our country. >> and what i like about it, i'll give you and some of your colleagues credit, you don't try to be activism using your platform that do activism to do that but say things firmly on a platform that is enormous. i was right in your state not long ago in the issue in sacramento. it just means a lot when people

understand that you and others feel for people, not really making judgments on particular cases but feel for the humanity of people, and i think that is something that we've seen in this generation more than even the generations before, and i think that you stay in your lane but your lane also includes you know what it is to be black in america. >> 100%. you said it well. i feel like that's what our perspective is when it comes to just creating, you know, moving the conversation and creating that awareness where it needs to be. i know people look up to us when it comes to what we do on the court, but like i said, we are a part of the community first and if we can do our little part, then i think we're handling the platform we've been given in the right way. >> you didn't go to the white house. i'm going to ask you in last question. if president trump was watching

you this morning, what would you say to him? >> i would say we need to continue to respect all walks of live, continue to spread love, and i feel like any kind of negative rhetoric or any kind of thing that's trying to be divisive, i think the proof is in the pudding that unity and love and all that and positivity is going to win that conversation as we go forward and try to put our society in a much better place. >> well, thank you, thank you for this endeavor. we really need things like filter for our future to really help our young people. thank you so much. steph curry, super star. >> i appreciate you having me on. >> all right. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us.

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you heard steph curry say everyone needs to work in their lane. i'm going this morning to pray for a family out young man killed and go to atlanta and the march for humanity and love for humanity rally love in atlanta and the nation the network. that's what i do. what do you do?

it's not enough to say you're an activist if you're not active and not enough to say you're a concerned citizen if you not showing concern. if it's on your job, if it's in your little neighborhood, you have to do something. i was starting the church growing up without faith work is a dead thing. you talking back at the television will not move society. you talking to an unregistered voter, talking to a friend, talking to a neighbor, that moves the envelope. you may never lead marches or rallies but you can do something. you have a responsibility to move the nation and the world forward in your little space. and if we all do our part, it will make not only dr. king's dream come to fruition, it will give a dream to our children that comes to fruition. that does it for me.

see you back here next sunday. now to my college alex witt. >> rev, i think you'll be encouraged. you probably saw that poll done where one out of five americans are demonstrating publicly now. 19% of those folks first-timers since 2016 so it's a start. >> very encouraging. >> good news. rev, good to see you. very good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt. it's 9:00 in the east, 6:00 a.m. out east. here is what is happening. breaking news, the violence in syria has taken a brutal turn. reports of a chemical attack that may have killed dozens so the question now will president trump take any action? john kelly chaos, a report about the clef hief of staff and oval office strife. we'll bring it to you. deadly fire at trump tower. the latest on what happened and the key piece of equipment missing