this sunday, president trump chasing the base on immigration. >> we're going to be guarding our border with the military. >> on trade. >> we don't have a trade war, we've lost the trade war. >> and in protecting his eliminate battled epa administrator scott pruitt. is it good policy? i'll ask the president's top

trade adviser and republican senator of south dakota. what should happen to scott pruitt, a hero to conservatives and target for liberals and favorite of president trump's. >> he's done a fantastic job and i think he's a fantastic person. >> now with growing scandals, how long can the epa administrator hang on to his job? saving face. mark zuckerberg heads to capitol hill for tough questioning over the misuse of facebook's data. my interview with a key player in the facebook drama who says more than 87 million people could have been impacted. >> i think it could be higher. absolutely. >> my sit-down with christopher wiley. >> joining me for insight and analysis of presidential historian doris kearns goodwin and new york times pentagon correspondent helene cooper and charlie cook of the cook political report. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington

the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. president trump's latest motto could be if at first you succeed do it and do it again. when he ran for president mr. trump sense the country's mood was changing and adopted more nationalistic themes and time to score the border, china was ripping us up, time to get tough again. only he could fix it so it was time to make america great again. mr. trump did it his way with a loyal base of supporters now facing challenging poll numbers with the midterms and mueller investigation, rather than trying to broaden his appeal he's hunkering down hugging his base once again to protecting an embattled epa administrator e. he's delivering what his base wants and once again he's doing things his way. >> if you have a baby on our land, congratulations, that baby is a united states citizen.

>> president trump is refocusing his attention on the nationalist policies which he campaigned on, attempting to shore up good will among base supporters and conservative media that influences them. on immigration, frustrated only 33 miles of new fencing is funded under the 2018 congressional spending bill, angering some supporters. >> as i see it right now tonight, the wall is never going to happen. >> the president announced a surprise plan to work with governors to send up to 4,000 national guard troops to the border. >> until we can have a wall and proper security, we're going to be guarding our border with the military. >> i'll look at it as kind of a show. >> and return to the unsubstantiated campaign claims he used. >> women raped at levels never seen before. >> on trade the president is threatening another $100 billion in tariffs on goods from china. we can't continue to allow this to happen where hundreds of billions of dollars is taken out of our country.

>> echoing populist rhetoric he used on the campaign trail. >> didn't they say we're going to lose the trade war? we're already losing the trade war, folks. >> the dow jones industrial average touted about my trump as a symbol as success in office has fallen more than 4% since he announced new tariffs on march 1st. >> i'm not saying there won't be a little pain. >> and the political backlash among republicans on capitol hill has been intense. senator ben sas called the president's plan the dumbest possible way to do this. and some white house aides have suggested mr. trump's proposed tariffs shall simply a negotiating tactic. >> they are carrots and sticks in life but he is ultimately a free trader. >> even on his embattled epa administrator scott pruitt, the president is taking cues from the base instead of his own advisers. pruitt is facing questions about his ties to a lobbyist from whom he rented a capitol hill condo, request for special perks and raises for his aides against the advice of the white house. >> you didn't know they got

large pay raises. >> i didn't know until yesterday. >> many of the white house professional staff led by john kelly have advised the president to fire pruitt, he's a conservative star and allies launched a coordinated campaign to save his job. >> he has become outside of trump, the single biggest target the american left -- >> so far the president has listened and pruitt has his public confidence. >> scott has done a fantastic job. i think he's a fantastic person. >> and joining me now from west palm beach florida, president trump's chief trade adviser dr. pete er navarro. >> how are you this morning? >> i'm pretty good. it seems as if the administration wants to have it both ways, telling the chinese we're serious about tariffs and these are coming and here's the list but then telling the public, no, no, it's a negotiating ploy. which is it? >> it's both, mr. todd,

basically what we have here is a situation where every american understands that china is stealing sour intellectual property and forcing transfer of technology when companies go to china and by doing that, they steal jobs from america and factories from america and we run an unprecedented $370 billion a year trade deficit in goods. this is an unsustainable situation. what we've done in a very measured way over the course of many months is develop a plan to make the situation significantly better. that plan is being implemented and includes both tariffs to recover the damages that china inflicts as well as investment restrictions. we are proceeding in a measured way and those tariffs will be imposed in those investment restrictions will be imposed. at the same time, there are discussions that are going on with the chinese with ambassador robert lighthiser and secretary mnuchin but we need to understand when we go back to

2003, when we begin to talk about these issues and talk has not been cheap, it's been very -- >> let me ask you, how do you expect the chinese to take the tariff threat seriously if you're publicly saying it's a negotiating tactic and that we're not serious about it, per se, we want to talk, but you haven't also really made it clear. what specific action do you want from the chinese to prevent these tariffs from being implemented? >> i don't believe if you played back what i said just a minute ago that i said was a negotiating tactic. it's not. we're listening to the chinese. we're willing to work with them and this government through bush and obama and now the courage and vision of donald trump, we're willing to listen to the chinese but we're clear eyed about this. we're moving forward on a measured way with tariffs and with investment restrictions and we want from china and what we want from china is very clear.

we want fair and reciprocal trade and want them to stop stealing our stuff and guard intellectual property not take it from us. in your monolog at the beginning of this you played a clip from the president. we had already lost the trade war. well, bush and obama over the course of 16 years bagsically stood by why we lost 70,000 factories and millions of manufacturing jobs and manufacturing base. what's at stake here, mr. todd is the industries of the future, artificial intelligence, robotics, quantum computing. it's not just economic pr prosperity it is also national security. . have profound military implications. >> i understand all of that and heard the complaints for years from many of these industries -- >> but never -- >> let me ask this -- that's what i'm -- what specific action, how will we know that china is changing its behavior?

what is it that china -- give me the specific action that maybe the president and xi announced together that will tell the american public the chinese aren't stealing intellectual property anymore? >> let's be again clear eyed about this. it's one thing for the chinese to admit publicly to a policy. it's another thing for the chinese to actually implement that policy. and we had a number of years ago with president obama agreements about not stealing our intellectual property through cyber theft. how is that working out? not very well. for the american people and i think -- i don't think mr. todd there's any disagreement between you and i about the fact that china is engaged in these egregious practices, the only debate is how we go about solving them. but every american understands that every day of the week, china comes into our homes and businesses and government agencies and the damage is on the order of about a billion dollars a day. when you add to that damage, the

billion dollars a day and the trade deficit and goods, we face, this country is losing its strength and wealth even as china has grown its economy from one trillion since 2002 -- to over $12 trillion today -- >> sure. >> not many people in the midwest -- many republican lawmakers including one i'll have in a minute don't like this tariff policy. let me put up with ben sas, a republican from nebraska said. hopefully the president is blowing off steam again. if he's half serious this is nuts. the president has no plan to win right now and threatening to light american agriculture on fire. thsz the dumbest possible way to do this. what do you say to the criticism you're getting from the midwestern senators and governors of both sides of the aisle who are panicked about the agricultural industry. >> let me be very clear about this, when the president announced the additional $100 billion in tariffs, he also announced that he was directing

sonny purdue, secretary of agriculture to immediately implement a plan to defend american farmers -- >> does that mean buying soybean crops the chinese won't buy? >> it's up to them to implement the plan. the details will be rolled out. let me say this, mr. todd, how cynical it is for the chinese basically rather than respond graciously and stop doing all of the bad stuff they are doing to attack american farmers. i think that's going to be a wake-up call for americans about just -- we've changed now our designation in the national security strategy of china to a strategic competitor. what does that mean? it means that they are in competition with us over economic pros pesht and national offense and this is a competition the president takes seriously. >> i want to ask what's going on in the west wing. does john kelly have the

president's confidence, the story says kelly has threatened to resign on multiple occasions, it's sort of a weekly event. his declarations and expressions of moment tri frustration. have you heard of john kelly threatening to resign, mr. navarro and can you say the president still has confidence in him? >> john kelly has gotten up in the morning to serve america. he serves the president, he has the president's ear. he runs the west wing well. that's all i know, that's all i see. what you don't see about him sometimes is the light and humorous side of him. he's a funny irish guy sometimes but he has the confidence of the president and getting the job done. when you read stuff in the "washington post" quite frankly, that's fake news most of the time. >> all right, i think that expression is a pretty unfair thing to say about a major news organization -- >> "washington post." >> that's a cheap shot -- >> mr. todd, that is not a cheap

shot because if you look at the newspapers that i read every day across the spectrum, the "washington post" in my judgment tends to attack the president more than any other newspaper in its news stories. you can do anything you want in your editorial but you cannot do that in your news stories. >> the term fake news is not exactly a way to hold up the first amendment, especially when the russian government just this morning is calling fake -- using that phrase. >> i used to deliver the "washington post" in high school and bethesda, chevy chase and that was a good paper back then. it's not right now. >> peter navarro, i'll leave it there, thanks for sharing your views, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> joining me now republican senator from south dakota mike rounds. >> appreciate the opportunity. >> before i start i know you wanted to respond to the trade comments but i want to ask you about syria. the state department indicates that there appears to have been a chemical weapons attack by the

assad folks and they they say the blame is on the russians for ak quee he issing. saying this is fake news, this idea there was a chemical weapons attack. that's why i brought up that phrase just now our adversaries are using the exact phrase. you supported an air strike the last time syria did this would you support another one? do you think the president needs to respond in the same way he did a year ago? >> he was a new sheriff in town and needed to set the agenda making it clear if we draw a we had line in the sand we're going to honor that red line. so what you've got right now today is he's an office for more than a year and he's got to send a message once again that what he said he meant. i think we wait until the secretary of defense puts together his proposals. he lays them in front of the president and the president needs to have the good advice

and what his options are and then i think he should act decisively and i think he'll hold not just syria but make it clear that he believes russia is also responsible sf. >> what are the consequences of not acting with the same toughness he did a year ago. if he let's this go, what message does that send to putin and assad? >> that's the problem we have right now. we have to be consistent. i don't care whether you're talking trade policy or our policy in the middle east, you have to be consistent. so he started out with the right policy. he was telling people look, you're going to be held accountable for what you do. it was appropriate a year ago and it would be appropriate today but let's get all of our facts together and be prepared and do our strategic planning, let's allow the military to be in a position to where we can be effective in the way we respond. don't get pushed into doing it based on putin's terms but on our terms. so let's get everything put together first and then act zee

s decisively. >> the tariffs will be economically very tough on south dakota agriculture. that i'm aware of and i understand that's the possible you're coming from there. were you reassured from what you heard from peter navarro just now. >> former governor purdue i've known him for 15 years now, he's going to do everything he can. he understands how critical it is to have a good foreign policy but also one that allows force us to continue to expand our exports particularly in ag, one of the bright spots when it comes to the export challenges we've got in this country. he has limited tools available to him in a case like this. we're talking about a lot of money that goes down on the speculation of having a tariff m put in place. in south dakota, small state, it's our second largest crop. we produce enough soybeans to where if you drop the price by ten cents based on the

speculation of having china put a tariff on, a ten cent reduction per bushel is about $24 million a year for a ten cent reduction in the price of soybeans. that's happening right now. >> there's a lot of people that want to hold china accountable for the intellectual issue. this is a constant in the technology theft and these issues. how would you propose going about it? what are tools to be used if negotiation hasn't worked. >> and i think you hit it on the head. in this particular case we have options available to us. let's quit fighting with mexico and canada. they are our allies, we've actually got a pretty good relationship with nafta. rather than going nafta and starting there, tpp, the trans pacific partnership, we had 11 other countries in the pacific rim area who would rather do business with us than china. we stopped that negotiation a year ago. >> do you think that was the biggest mistake, we wouldn't be in the same place we are today?

>> i think the president thinks we can get a better deeg if we do it individually. let's get those done. if we have 500 million that like to trade with us, they are around china. do you think china doesn't fear the possibility of having the united states having relations with all of those countries right around the area that they are trying to expand once again into? they are one road or one road within belt approach, which is trying to take care and control all of the sea lanes and shipping lanes in the south pacific. they are putting in military bases to do that. if we have trade relationships and military relationships with those other countries, that stops china in their efforts. >> i want to ask you about a similar sort of framing of a question i asked about syria. what are the consequences if the president threatens tariffs and doesn't? does the world see the president as a bluffer? >> hopefully it doesn't come to that. most certainly we don't want to

see the president put in a position where he doesn't have to exercise a tariff if he xnt have to. he's correct in that china clearly has been cheating when it comes to how they are doing business with the rest of the world. we're not the only ones, i have no objections with what the prtd long term trying to fix the relationships with china and holding them accountable. intellectual property in particular, they are stealing from us. so but let's be clear, strategically, number one, we need other trading part anywheranywhereners to help pick up the slack and this is important. he needs to explain to the american people what his end game is and where does he want to go and what's the final goal. >> what does winning this tariff fight look like? final question, scott pruitt a lot in the news. i can put up some of the allegations that come out against him as far as how he's conducted himself in office with lafrish security detail, first class flights, things like that. do you think he should still be epa administrator? >> i do. >> why?

>> because he's following through with policies that the president said he wanted to implement -- >> what does ethics matter? tom price did less an was fired. >> the reason why all of the emphasis is on mr. pruitt is because he is executing these policies and they are not popular policies with a lot of people but he is executing the policies this president said he would put in place. >> does that justify this -- behavior? >> any time you start taking a look at all of the different activities an i don't know how much is overblown or accurate. i'm not going to call it fake news. in some cases we'll overblow something. but in this particular case, mr. pruitt has been doing a good job as a secretary of the epa. he's moving forward exactly as this president said he would -- >> what's the message that's sent that well, you know, ethics matter only when i like the job that you're doing and don't matter if they don't? that's the problem. what's the mixed message? >> which one of the challenges would you like to start with, he has too big of a security

detail? is that suddenly the reason you fire someone? >> at what point though does that accumulate -- >> look, let's look at houmg dollars the epa can save. we'll nit pick little things, has too much people on the security detail. but what about the big picture of how he's taking care of the taxpayer's dollars with the epa. what about the regulations that he said he's going to clean up on that he is. what about the response directly back out to allow businesses to grow and expand? this president said we have to have tax policy, we've got it. we said we need regulatory reform, we've got it. scott pruitt is executing what the president wants him to security. >> governor, you were a former governor -- >> always a compliment. >> never met a former governor who didn't prefer that title. >> that's right. >> thanks for coming in and sharing views. welcome back to d.c.

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welcome back. panelists here, rich lowery of the national review. doris kearns goodwin and helene cooper, and charlie cook, editor and publisher. before we get to trade. helene, the pentagon is your beat. the president saying responsibility already in a morning tweet. responsibility, lies, iran and russia is supporting of assad and that they're responsible for this and the russian foreign ministry using the phrase fake news to say there wasn't even a chemical weapon attack. you heard senator rounds there, he'd be supportive of the president continuing to draw that same line. what do you know here? what do we know about this attack? >> and before i get to that, i just -- "the washington post" is our competitor and i do appreciate you pushing back on

mr. navarro's fake news on "the washington post" because we don't want to see these attacks on our first amendment. on syria, a year ago when this happened, when something similar happened, president trump and the pentagon reacted very swiftly and it was very much a targeted strike at the airfield from which these -- the pentagon believed that these chemical weapons had been launched, and i think you're looking, military planners are now again looking at how they can launch in a contained way some sort of retaliation if president trump decides to go with that. whether he does or not, i don't know. i think there's going to be a lot of emphasis on him to repeat what he did a year ago, but i'm not sure yet which way he's going to go. >> rich lowery, the president is almost boxed into this having to respond militarily, is he not? >> this is skeptical of the strike and you're taking responsibility for syria never doing that again. >> another version of the red line. >> more responsibility than the president wants and the syrian

government knows that he's eager to pull our forces out of syria entirely and now there will be pressure for him to hit again. >> charlie, look, these issues all of a sudden that gets in the way of what he's trying to do with this agenda, and gets in the way and we all know there's no -- there's no quick strike in the middle east. >> republicans want the conversation to be about the economy is good, the tax cuts are goosing the economy. that's the conversation they want to have, and the president's learning that, you know, this -- you know, syria, the middle east is a lot more complicated than it looked like watching television back home, you know, two years ago, three years ago. this stuff's hard. >> right. >> and there are consequences when you say things and he's paying the rice. >> doris, you have a president who just last week said i want to get out of syria and he wants to be, basically his more inward-looking instincts and

isolation, whether it's with the border and trade, this is where he wants to go and this complicates it all. i think he is nervous about his own political base which is why he's been so focused on the border. >> your metaphor of hugging the base is exactly right. it's not just politically that he cares about the base, it seems to be his security blanket. when he spoke about the tax reform, he throws it away and says i don't really care about this. i want to talk about the wall and i want to talk about trade and i want to talk about tariffs, and it's as if going back to the base gives him a sense of himself. i think he was happier during the campaign than he's ever been as president because he got the adulation of the people, he made tons of promises and these three are the only ones he keeps coming back to. he promised to be so presidential we'd be bored and he'd never eat an oreo cookie again and he'd drain the swamp and he somehow keeps going back to that to remember those days. it's like being president is much harder and the job is difficult -- >> he's not the first president to miss the campaign trail. they miss the adulation.

>> but never as much as him, i think. >> is he right? >> i'd forgot about the oreo cookie promise. >> is he right to be worried about the base that he should be tending to it more so than any other issue. >> they need the base to turn out, clearly, that's not all you need in the midterms but it might be the difference between a debacle and just a very bad year. chuck, he made a lot of promise, over promised in a lot of ways and i've been surprised to how faithful he's been to his coalition, he really wants to deliver on his agenda and it's very frustrating when something like the wall, his signature promise that he can't get that and he can't get anything from congress substantial and he's sending national guard troops because he wants to have some deliverable to his voters. >> it is so interesting. the national guard deployment is so similar to what president obama and president bush did before him and president trump holds his whole thing about how little has been done in the past and he is sending 24,000

national guard troops to the border. he's barely sending more than president obama did in 2010 and not as many as president bush did in 2006. >> charlie, the whole base issue with the president, we put scott pruitt in that bucket because you could make an argument, it's pretty clear, if pruitt weren't popular with the base he'd probably be gone. >> i think that's true. the president number one, identifies with pruitt. the press is going after pruitt. the press is going after me, so i think he identifies with him on the one side, but i think the other side is that put -- put behavior and the judgment that pruitt has used. this guy has arguably accomplished more of what president trump is trying to do than any other person in the entire administration. so this is behavior worth firing, but he's advancing the president's agenda whether you like that agenda or not. >> here's ted liu, dear donald

trump, please don't fire epa scott pruitt and he's such a great symbol of fraud and waste and abuse in your administration. >> the story of pruitt is a story that we can all understand and it becomes a big thing we can talk about. what the epa is doing really deserves a discussion. we need to understand what's happening in all these agencies. what is the impact of this deregulation? this dismantling? that's the harder story to tell and i think that's the story the journalists have to go after. at the turn of the 20th century when there were big policy issues and standard oil monopolizing things and the railroads corrupt, food and drug and patents all over the place and they wrote story that mobilized people to get the laws passed. now we need to understand what's happening in the epa and the department. instead we're caught up with breaking news day after day. >> you just captured what's going on with the president about how to cover the shiny object of president trump. >> rich, can scott pruitt get

himself -- what would it take for him to lose the confidence of the president? >> the president is fairly dug in. the support from capitol hill is very strong. i like him. i think he's very smart and very effective but to doris' point it goes to human nature. he's going to what was most convenient to him, and i would have a cheap apartment and i think it would help him even though the president doesn't like apologies do a mea culpa. i understand how this looks and i'll tighten up and pull back and hope it's detracted by something else. >> guys, i'm going to pause it here. coming up, it's two days before facebook's mark zuckerberg testifies before congress. up next, my interview with the man who told the world how the data of millions was collected for political purposes in 2016. christopher wylie next. >> i think that there is a genuine -- a genuine risk that this data has been accessed by quite a few people and it can be stored in various parts of the

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welcome back. welcome back. all eyes will be on capitol hill this week when facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg testifies before house and senate committees about how the company plans to protect its users' data in the future. christopher wylie was the man who first revealed that millions of facebook accounts were harvested for the use of the

2016 presidential campaign and the founding member of cambridge analytica. wylie has colorful described himself as the gay canadian vegan who somehow ended up creating steve bannon's psychological warfare mind expletive tool. i spoke to wylie and he explained how he came into contact with bannon and became the donor behind cambridge analytica and both were interested in weaponizing social data. >> i will say it was quite clear early on that steve bannon absolutely wanted to use it for republican candidates and the early projects that, you know, we started to apply the research to were, indeed, alt-right candidates in the united states, and it was after, you know, starting to meet some of the candidates and meet some of the clients that robert mercer and steve bannon, you know, wanted to support that a lot of people, including myself, started to feel quite uncomfortable with

what we were doing. >> let me be clear, did you leave the company over politics, and is that what you would say or did you leave it over their business practices? >> i -- there are lots of reasons. you know, alexander nicks was extremely difficult to work for. steve bannon is extremely difficult to work for. the company's internal culture became quite toxic and in term was an actual workplace environment it was difficult to work in. ultimately, a lot of people including myself had to make a call which is, you know, as the early founding team of the company do we want to spend the next ten years doing this and for a lot of us the answer was no. >> i want to go to something which facebook announced this week when they announced new protocols with advertising and they also fessed up to even more data brief, and i wouldn't call it data breach, but more data was released than even what you had indicated and you had indicated 50 million facebook

and 87 million profiles were actually accessed and then you tweeted this, mr. wylie, yep, it was actually 87 million facebook profiles, could be more, to be honest. media couldn't publish full number before because of legal threat. so when you a originally gave your first interview on this you knew it was 87 million, but you could legally only say 50 million?" the new york times and the guardian said 50 million and it was the thing that they had the most amount of evidence to show. when i met with the british authorities earlier in the year, one of the things that i said was that actually the number is substantially more than that. you know, from my recollection, and that also data was harvested in many more countries than the united states, but when you're working with "the new york times" and "the guardian" they will make sure that anything they publish is the most conservative estimate to play it safe and that's what happened.

>> do you believe the number 87 million is the high end or do you think that's still possible that number is much higher? >> i think that it could be higher. absolutely. >> i want to play something that sheryl sandberg, the coo of facebook, told my colleague savannah guthrie last week and i want you to respond. >> we thought the data had been deleted. that's why. >> but that doesn't mean that you don't tell users hey, this was stolen from you. >> yes. you're right and we should have done that, as well. >> it feels like facebook was trying to get away with it. >> i don't think that's true, but of course, you're right and we should have done it. so let's fast forward to now. >> so that's sheryl sandberg saying they should have told users that their data have been taken. could it be all over the world by now? >> i think that there is a genuine, you know, a genuine risk that this data has been accessed by quite a few people

and that it could be stored in various parts of the world including russia given the fact that, the professor who was managing the data harvesting was going back and forth between the uk and russia. >> is it your understanding that facebook could not verify how many people have this data or could they? >> well, once data leaves your system and once data leaves, you know, your database, it's a fungible thing, you can make as many copies as possible, so it isn't actually materially possible to verify if -- if that data has been eliminated from the existence of the universe because another copy could have been made. so it is -- unfortunately, you know, very difficult to verify. >> a couple of questions that people have questioned your credibility, first, the acting ceo of cambridge analytica said this. the source of allegations against the company is not a whistle-blower or a founder of the company. christopher wylie was a part-time contractor who left in

2014 and has no direct knowledge of our work and practices. since that date, he was at the company for less than a year and after that he was made the subject of restraining undertaking to restrict the use of the intellectual property while attempting to set up his own rival firm. may i ask this question? >> right. >> can you say that this facebook data was used by the trump campaign? >> i started working at the group before cambridge analytica exists. he's using a bit of weasely language here because the work that i was doing at the group as research director that formed the basis of the intellectual property for cambridge analytica. if i was not -- if i was not the research director, if i didn't introduce the firm to data and to targeting and cambridge analytica would not exist full stock. in terms of did donald trump use this data? i think that's a good question to ask cambridge analytica and the trump campaign. what i do know is alexander nicks was meeting with corey lewandowski in the spring of 2016 which his lawyers confirmed

to me before trump had even announced that he was a candidate. so my -- >> in fairness, you cannot say definitively that the trump campaign used the facebook data. >> no, i can't, but i haven't -- you know, i think that this is something -- there is a substantial risk that this data was misused and given what we know about the company and what -- what the lengths that they're willing to do for their clients, i think it is -- it is worth a serious investigation and to take this seriously. so no. i didn't work on the trump campaign so of course i can't say one way or the other whether trump used it or not but we do know a lot of things about the company that i think a reasonable person knowing these things would want to ask pretty tough questions about what happened to that data. >> i know you've been contacted by british authorities. have you been contacted by american authorities like bob mueller, special counsel who is investigating the russian interference? >> i have been contacted by american authorities, yes.

>> and are you cooperating? >> i -- i plan to be. we're just setting out dates that i can actually go down and meet with them. >> is it both with congress and mr. mueller or is it both entities that are doing investigations? >> it's -- as i understand it, my lawyer is the one interfacing with them, but it is both congressional investigations and also law enforcement and the department of justice. >> all right. >> you can see my complete interview with christopher wylie on our website meetthepress.com. up next, the success of "roseanne" got us thinking about the shows democrats and republicans watch. what we found out when we come back. it takes a lot of work to run this business.

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welcome back. welcome back. "data download" time. the huge success of the "roseanne" reboot on tv has captured circle, particularly its enormous viewership in so-called red america and how deep are the partisan divides in america's tv vying. viewing. it depends on how you look at the question. there are shows that democrats are more likely to watch than the average american like "empire" and "black-ish" both centered around african-americans. hbo's "last week tonight with john oliver" and "veep" do especially well with democrats and "saturday night nba basketball" where viewers likely come from larger urban areas with nba teams. there are also shows republicans are more likely to watch like abc's last man standing whose main character is politically conservative. the show was canceled last year and fans are petitioning to bring it back with the success of the "roseanne" reboot and

antiques road show and college football and nascar do well with republicans because both sports are popular in the republican south. there's also long-standing reality competition series including survivor and no, i'm not talking about the president trump cabinet shuffle, but in terms of overall popularity, our tv viewing habits actually have more in common than you may think. these are the top ten overall most popular shows for democrats, and what do you know? the list looks awfully similar to the list of republicans. in fact, seven of the ten shows are the same including "big bang theory," "60 minutes" and "property brothers." you probably didn't have any idea how much hgtv really brought the country together. infrastructure, see? bipartisan love for that. no doubt there's a lot that divides us in this country, but let's not get carried away and always try to find the differences because even with the differences the data here shows you you can find commonalities in the american experience even in the age of trump and "roseanne."

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"end game" brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore, and inspire. acback now with "end game." charlie cook, is there any way tuesday goes well for mark zuckerberg? >> i think if he had gone immediately up to congress, it would have been bad. now i think it's going to be horrific. [ laughter ] >> poor guy is going to be walking into an ambush. i mean, it's going to -- senator, this is going to be like custer's last stand. little big horn, this is going to be ugly. >> what should they get from him? what should they get out of zuckerberg and what should he be reassuring congress about? >> the obama team did a version, not exactly, but a verse of the same thing in 2012 and they're all hailed as geniuses and it wasn't a national scary. if the interview of sheryl sandberg is how this will go,

zuckerberg will get roasted. and the issue here is facebook has a tremendous amount of data and there is one man who makes the decision about how it's used and that is a.m. mark zuckerberg. i think that regime one way or the other is ending. >> doris, how would t.r. handle mark zuckerberg? >> you know, i think the real question is, firstful all, he should have apologized right way. they should have made clear as soon as they knew the data had been spread that it had happened. it took them years to really admit that. you can't go back and go over bad conduct. i think now he's got to figure out what am i going to do about this. it's a big question for all these tech companies right now. they have to probably be regulated the way the automobile, the radio, television, all the earlier inventions were regulated. the real question underneath it all is privacy. we have to figure out as a community now how much does our privacy matter to us. i would tell my kids or grandchildren now, never write anything in an e-mail you don't want to explode anywhere else. there was an old boss named martin. he said never write when you can speak, never speak when you can

nod. so we have to figure out -- he probably preappropriated that. >> i feel like the damage is done to facebook and i don't know how they get it back a little bit. there are so many -- i'm not saying the world is deactivated from it, but the skepticism -- i interviewed cara swisher. she said, i'm not on facebook and i did the same thing. i'm not on facebook and i didn't do it either. that's a bad place to be. >> it is. at the same time there are millions and millions and millions of people all over the world who are still on facebook and who are -- who have sort of made the -- almost the decision that their privacy doesn't matter. who cares about privacy? they assumed all along that if you're putting something on facebook or once you engage there, you're sort of letting go of so many of these assumptions to begin with. i think doris is right, though, about where we're moving as a society because we are at the point now where i don't even feel comfortable making cell phone calls to sources. forget about texting.

i mean, what's app and i'm at the point now where there are some sources who will only talk to me face to face in person. we're going back to that now. >> and a barrage -- parking garage? >> parking garage. >> we're almost at the parking garage. >> true. >> facebook is going to survive this, but they've lost their innocence. they can't wear a white dress any more. >> that was the annoying thing. we're all about openness and connectivity. there are profit-making company and have this massive capitalization. the market for a reason. >> they're counting on us to share all this information. just your good will, get rid of the political affiliation thing in your profile. maybe as we said earlier, it would be be thanksgiving dinner every night on your facebook page. i want to move to the teacher protests. charlie, do you see an impact yet on the midterm s? >> we don't see an impact there. but when you look at what's going on in oklahoma and arizona, some pretty red places. and you look -- other than the senate map, which states are up,

i can't see anything good for republicans this year, nothing. and whether -- >> it only adds to it. >> whether it's the kids and the gun issue or whether it's the teachers and parents that are uprising, there's a lot of bad, bad -- i mean, if i were a republican, i'd be nauseous right now. >> what's coming up? >> one of the things i think that put teachers and what their complaint is the most, the biggest public servant groups are firefighters and police officers and teachers. and the national average salary increases of teachers, police officers have gotten a higher salary increase since 2000 than teachers. nationally teachers are a little bit behind here. look at the state of oklahoma. in this case average salary increase since 2000 basically double for police than for teachers. doris, this is not about whether police officers are getting too much. that's not the issue. it's should teachers as public

servants be treated basically the same as police officers? >> without a question. i mean, teachers are now standing up and saying, enough is enough. just like the me to movement. they're not fighting for raises. they're fighting for funding for school districts. in oklahoma some of the districts are only open four days a week because they can't afford the heating or lighting the 5th day. they have the parents and kids behind them so it's a community thing. i have a son who is a high school teacher. and it's the proud est thing that i am, that i walk around town and they say, your kid is changing my life. they should be given the cultural respect. they should be given the salaries they need. our country needs education as a cornerstone of democracy. >> rick, got caught up in teacher union fights a long time. republicans focused on the unions they forgot about the teachers a little bit? >> pay increases coupled with teachers and other reforms, in this state they make a good case they're under paid. trained teachers would go to texas. >> we'll leave it there. we got through more than i

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