that every day people come to our services to choose to share photos or send messages. and every single time they choose to share something, they have a control right there about who they want to share it with. but that level of control is extremely important. >> there's certainly no within the facebook pages who their friends are, but they may not know, as has happened and you've conceded this point in the past, that sometimes that information is going way beyond their friends and sometimes people have made money off of sharing that information. it's 4:00 in new york. we're going to continue to monitor the facebook hearings. if there are any explosive exchanges or revelations, we'll turn them around immediately and bring them to you. if any of the questioning yields new information about facebook's role in the 2016 election, we'll dip right back into that. in the meantime, breaking news on it will heels of a raid on the president's personal attorney's home and office that the president described as an attack on the country, the white house acknowledged for the very

first time that they have been advised, that the president has been advised that he has the authority to fire special counsel bob mueller. >> do you believe that's within his power? >> he certainly believes he has the power to do so. >> you said the president believes he has the power to fire robert mueller because most legal experts believe he would have to order deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who fire mueller. he could, of course, refuse. >> i know a number of individuals in the legal community and including at the department of justice that he has the power to do so, but i don't have any further announcements. >> they said it's rod rosenstein who has the power to fire the special counsel. >> again, we've been advised that the president certainly has the power to make that decision. i can't go anything beyond that. >> what the president described as a, quote, attack on the country in a tirade last night was actually an fbi raid that as

the "new york times" reports this afternoon, was approved by trump appointee rod rosenstein. quote, in addition to mr. rosenstein, all of the top law enforcement officials involved in the raid are republicans. the times also offering more details this afternoon about what the fbi was looking for in that raid. quote, the search aren't carried out by the public corruption unit of the manhattan federal attorney's office seeks information about karen mcdougal an ex playboy model. she was paid $150,000 by american media inc., the enquirer's parent company, whose chief executive is a friend of mr. trump's. our friend joyce vance described the raid as a, quote, bomb, on trump's front porch.

they characterized even the senior staff as, quote, scared. joining us to discuss today's extraordinary developments, some of our favorite reporters and friend from the "new york times." matt apuzo, ashley parker, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon. and here on set, the former fbi director for counter intelligence. matt, you broke the news yesterday about the raid itself. i have to get you first to respond to the white house hearing from people at the justice department and certain legal experts that the president does have the authority to fire bob mueller. that's new. >> reporter: yea . >> yeah. that was news to me. our understanding and everybody we had talked to and everybody in the government we had talked to for the past year had all

been in agreement that if the president wanted to fire bob mueller, if he wanted to change course here, then he had to essentially get somebody to do it for him. that somebody would have had to have been rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general and for all intents and purposes, the acting attorney general in the mueller case. so if it's the president's view that he himself can do that, that's new. now, i don't know whether that's just their sort of legal opinion or whether that's because they're teeing up to do something or what. yeah, that's new information. >> ashley parker, you've had some extraordinary reporting in the last 24 hours about the atmospherics in the west wing. you talked to many more people than i do. but for my part, i heard from the sorts of people that always tell me to calm down, nicole, i heard that people are rattled, that people are scared.

someone used that word to describe staffers in the west wing, who are usually among the more stoic advisors. and people who usually say, no, he'll never fire bob mueller, three of them today told me they didn't know what he was going to do. what are you hearing this hour? have you ever heard the white house admit publicly that it's their understanding that the president has the power to fire bob mueller? >> to answer your last question first, i think this was the first time i can remember hearing the white house saying that the president sort of unilaterally has the power to fire mueller. i'm hearing much the same as you are about sort of the tense, nervous, frantic atmosphere inside the white house. one person sort of compared it to other equivalent moments where when the president fired comey and when the rob porter saga was unfolding. those are two sort of key and very low moments for this presidency. so people are incredibly worried. i will say in terms of order of

firing, if there were to be that, as of now at least, people's understanding and sense seems to be the person who the president is most furious at right now is rod rosenstein, followed by jeff sessions, who's sort of perpetually furious at, and then mueller. even though the president seems to believe he has the authority to fire mueller, it still seems as of this afternoon, rod rosenstein was most squarely in his crosshairs. >> jeremy bash, is it your understanding that the president, as his spokesperson articulated from the white house podium today, they now believe they have the power, the authority, to fire special counsel bob mueller, who is investigating the president for potential collusion with american adversary russia for potential obstruction of justice. they now believe they have the power and authority to fire him. your thoughts? >> there's a federal regulation, nicole, that's 28 cfr 600.4.

i know you know that by heart. >> you know me well enough to know that i don't. >> i do. the special counsel may only be removed from office only by the personal action of the attorney general. of course, in this context, rod rosenstein is the acting attorney general. so there's a federal regulation. rod rosenstein was asked about this during a congressional hearing on june 13th, basically how could the president, if he wanted to, could he fire bob mueller? rod rosenstein said we are governed by this federal regulation. it's not a law or a statute. it's a regulation that has the force of law. he said, therefore, i'm the only person that could fire bob mueller. of course, the president could fire rod rosenstein and put somebody in that job who would then turn around and fire bob mueller. the other thing i've been thinking about, if you have a chinstrap, you might want to buckle it. if the president wanted to fire his attorney general, could the

president actually appoint somebody else to be the attorney general like the vice president? could he appoint himself, the president, to be the acting attorney general? and in an acting capacity, could the president then fire bob mueller? >> we've got a federal regulation that dictates how this could work and only how it could work. in the height of irony if the president actually directly fire department the special counsel, it would become exhibit a in the obstruction of justice case. that's how strongly this is -- >> a or z, right? >> i believe it would go straight to the top. you can't get more obstructive than to fire the guy that's investigating you. >> we had the white house press secretary today use the podium in that briefing room that people have stood behind that podium and addressed the country at times of war, at times where the country's been under attack. today she used that podium to basically say we believe we have the authority to fire the man investigating the president. where are we?

>> i think we're in chaos. the statement today reflects that. nobody's looked up cfr. we know the federal regulation. the bigger question for me as someone that spent 25 years dedicated to law enforcement is, does anybody care at the white house? does anybody care about the rule of raw? a -- law? the answer increasingly appears to be no. the president yesterday said the raid on cohen was an attack on everything the country stands for. >> your colleagues have reported in the past that at least one staffer stood in the way the last time or one of the last times that the president wanted to fire bob mueller, writing, president trump ordered the firing last june of robert mueller, the special counsel overseeing the russia investigation. he ultimately backed down after white house counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the president's directives. what are you hearing about don

mcgahn's role now that the white house press secretary has escalated -- this is the white house press secretary, not known as a rogue actor, taking to the podium and saying she has been advised by people at the justice department and other legal voices -- we have to think big there and assume they may have appeared on fox news -- that they now have legal advice saying they can do just what don mcgahn basically threatened to quit over. >> yeah. let's also remember that president trump's lawyers ty cobb in particular, his top white house lawyer, has been advising him from the beginning that this is a terrible idea, that you do not want to fire mueller. the dominos that will fall after that, you know, can really get this thing out of control. what's interesting is that whenever we have reported things like the story you just read or when other news outlets have reported things along those

lines, the response from the white house has been, that's preposterous, this is only in the media is anybody talking about firing bob mueller. and we get this statement that says, absolutely not, nobody's thinking of firing bob mueller, nobody's talking about it, it's not even being considered, this is fake news, bad on you, media, you're just trying to spin up trouble. now the white house says, well, we think we have the authority to do it. and nobody is stepping forward to say, bad media, bad speculation, we're not thinking that. >> i get the same admonishments. the people who usually admonish me are saying, i don't know what he's going to do. let me play chris christie this morning, someone who gives advice personally and also gives some of that legal advice on tv. >> i think the president is really angry about this and expressed that yesterday. i think he does understand it. but i think there's lots of people who are concerned that, you know, his reaction to this

may overcome -- it's a big problem. i've told him that. you can't fire the special counsel. you just can't. >> ashley parker, the president doesn't seem to be of the same mind, at least if you take his press secretary for her word with his personal friend and one-time very senior campaign advisor chris christie. >> put it this way, he hasn't done it yet. but people i talked to this morning said he's definitely building the case to potentially do it if he wants to, if he's not able to be talked out of it but aides and advisors. if you looked at his comments yesterday, someone said, he's sort of floating a trial balloon, which is what he does for a lot of his more controversial statements or moves or decisions. he sort of tests it out, says, a lot of people are saying i should fire bob mueller and sort of waits for the reaction.

right now we're kind of in this holding period where the president is testing the waters, trying t ting to figure out how can go without ramifications. >> if you put "the art of the deal" window over there, is the middle ground firing rod rosenstein? also referring evidence from bob mueller's probe to the u.s. attorney, it seems to me like bob mueller did a lot to preserve the integrity and the scope of his investigation by referring in evidence about michael cohen to the us attorney's office and saying you go ahead and follow up, this is outside my scope. would that be something that you

could foresee this president doing instead? >> i don't know. if he fires rod rosenstein he gets maybe only 75% of the blowback that he would get if he fired bob mueller. no legal heat is going to come off the president. i think what the president may think about and come around to is massive pardons, pardons across the board for michael cohen, for mike flynn, for paul manafort, even for himself, certainly his sons and his son-in-law. that power is very hard to take away from the president. >> frank? >> i think there's a way to get rid of mueller without firing mueller. i think it is rosenstein. and i think you could replace rosenstein with your own person who's going to do exactly what you directed them to do. he can hand pick that person if he chooses to do so. i still say that would be obstruction. >> bring this back to the obstruction case.

james comey is about to go out on a book tour, sort of a high level peek at jim comey and questions about his firing. in response to the american response to the atrocities in syria, he went back to rod rosenstein's role and articulating a rationale for firing jim comey. b where are we right now in terms of the president's public facing actions and how many of them point to an obstruction of justice case that bob mueller could bring? >> i think firing rod rosenstein would be obstructy. i'm not sure it would be obstruction of justice under the classical definition. the president cleared the room in the oval thauoffice that day

said i want you to see your way through to clearing mike flynn. he did things that are totally outside of the president's powers. merely removing someone from office, you could argue the president could do it. but if somebody tried to bring charges against the president or it was a basis for impeachment, the president could try to fight and say, hey, this is within my powers as president to do. >> matt, you wrote about what the raid in michael cohen's office was all about. you developed some new information overnight that we didn't have at this hour yesterday. they were looking for information about karen mcdougal, an ex playboy model who claims to have had a yearlong relationship with the president. i'm reminded of the passage in

fire and fury about steve bannon saying they paid out hundreds of women. this is what's believed to be true about the president's pre-political life. how much of your reporting bears that out today? >> absolutely. what we knew yesterday was that it was kind of a wide-ranging search warrant that included information about stormy daniels and the payment to stormy daniels. we now know that it's this broad search warrant that's looking at payments, plural. so that include payments that were also made to, as you mentioned the playboy playmate mcdougal. and the question, of course, is what role did the national enquirer -- this story has it all. what role did the national enquirer play in facilitating a

payment, and does that amount to hush money? and, of course, all of this money going to these women were those improper campaign finance donations? and who had in the bingo game, who had campaign finance donations to trump via women? so i didn't have that last night. you know, this thing is a weird story and it has a lot of strands to it. we're just trying to pull on them. >> ashley, they're all a little ske skeevy. i used that word last night. let me press you on what is perhaps the less bond-like part of this story and the real possibility that michael cohen was doing a whole bunch of shady

stuff that veered into criminal activity and the fact that he now has everything -- a long-time trump confidant said these are not going to be big sophisticated crimes uncovered. they're going to be gross little things like intimidating city council members where he wanted to build a building. just talk about all the exposure that the president has personally when michael cohen's records and computers and phones are turned upside down and shared with law enforcement. >> sure. i think federal prosecutors will learn this very quickly, but they could just look to michael cohen's public comments. he was the president east lo's e fixer, long time enforcer and proudly so. he sort of bragged about making the sordid underside of, you know, the president's new york

real estate dealings and personal life go away. he was someone who basically would sort of handle problems like an olivia pope scandal but more of the underworld. >> less well dressed. >> yes. that's what he would do if there was any problem. he didn't sort of limit himself to things that were traditionally in the realm of the president's business. it could be an article in the media that the president would not like, something involving the president's kids or the president's family. and he would -- i can at least speak to how he would treat reporters. he would get angry, he could be threatening. they don't quite know what they will uncover but this is what cohen himself has said he's done. >> thank you for all your incredible reporting in the last

24 hours. when we come back, bob mueller under fire today with the white house claiming the president has the authority to fire him. great, another dead end. sarge, i just got a tip that'll crack this case wide open! turns out the prints at the crime scene- awwwww...did mcgruffy wuffy get a tippy wippy? i'm serious! we gotta move fast before- who's a good boy? is him a good boy? erg...i'm just gonna go. oh, you wanna go outside? you gotta go tinky poo-poo?

i already went, ok? in the bathroom! as long as people talk baby-talk to dogs, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

there is nothing civil about what this special counsel is doing. this is now a man that has to be brought under control, it would seem to me. frankly, i can't imagine, because each of us has to come to terms with our own heart and conscience. i would fire the s.o.b. in three seconds. >> i know you would. >> that was lou dobbs describing bob mueller as an s.o.b. let that sink in. let me read something you tweeted last night that caught my attention. you tweeted calling around the president's circle, his allies are taken aback, rattled, worried the president has a small legal team that lacks a heavy hitter, worried mueller is

making big moves. is it your sense the interview will still happen? >> the president met with several of his lawyers. he's being advised don't fire rod rosenstein, don't fire bob mueller. his lawyers know he's itching to talk to the legal team but they know that could be a perilous situation to say the least. >> i'm hearing about his inability to rein his own emotions. the spectacle when he sat down with his war cabinet, one ally said he blew his top like a loon before we went in there. so i guess what we saw on

television was the president having calmed himself down. >> he's always been a combative person. he used to tell me years ago during interviews he loves to fight. that was kind of a line he used to have. this element of his personally has always been there. more alarming to his associates and officials inside of the white house is his distress about the justice department and his tweets today about witch hunt and attorney/client privilege is dead, he asserts. that kind of thing, they really worry, could prod a constitutional crisis. him being angry, him watching television, not news in this white house. >> this is lindsey graham talking about what would happen if he fired bob mueller. >> why are you to confident the president wouldn't fire bob mueller? >> i'm confident that would be the beginning of the end of his presidency. >> i haven't seen any indication that the proper process wasn't followed. i know it's painful, but i think the president is too smart to

fire mr. mueller. if he did, it wouldn't end the investigation. first of all, he can't do that. >> two republican senators, two allies of the president, calling him too smart to do something stupid. isn't that sometimes the case on capitol hill? >> that is the case on capitol hill at times. iet it's a delicate moment. i just got off the phone with former speaker newt gingrich and former mayor giuliani, getting their take. they're warning trump don't fire mueller. it could split the party apart. even these men are not going out on a limb and saying they know exactly what president trump will do. >> that seems to be the difference in this moment, that the kind of people you just named are the kinds of people that call us thysterical when w say, oh my god, he's going to

create a constitutional crisis. these people are saying they don't know what he's going to do. >> some people close to the president say he believes, his people, the gop base will stick with him each if republican leaders do not. so there are these two kind of camps in his ear as he thinks through hethese decisions. >> do you have any reporting on where don mcgahn comes down on this? it's been reported that one of the previous time that is the president wanted mueller fired, he sent don mcgahn to do it and don said he would resign before he would carry out that order. any sense of where don mcgahn's head is? we also know when president trump has talked to don mcgahn and other current and former staffers, that they've had to call back in and report those interactions to mueller. don mcgahn certainly trying to play it straight as white house council.

-- counsel. i understand the interim u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york is a mcgahn ally. >> mcgahn's a complicated figure right now, because he's been very quiet over the last 48-72 hours as this has all played out. it's important to remember that inside of the white house, mcgahn prides himself on being removed from the russia probe. he is known to be frustrated with ty cobb. he had his differences with john dowd before dowd stepped down from being the president's lawyer. mcgahn has interviewed with mueller, has gone over there a couple of time to meet with that legal team. but he himself has not been advising the president on the russia probe other than when it comes to decpartment of justice issues. otherwise mcgahn stays away.

let's bring the rest of our panel. author and conservative opinion writer sophia nelson, former democratic congressman steve israel. >> and elise jordan, or friend and former aide in the george w. bush white house. elise, where are we? >> i can't help but to think today that the tide is pushing donald trump closer than ever to actually moving to fire bob mueller. the impression that sarah sanders gave today that he believes it is -- when she sa stated she believes it is within

his power, it shows they are publicly addressing that they have discussed these scenarios. >> i agree he's going to fire him. it's how he's going to do its that i think there's a question. i think he's going to go after sessions and fire sessions, because the new attorney general can then go after rosenstein and go after mueller and trump says, i didn't do it, that was the attorney general. sarah has pretty much admitted, we talked about it, we think we can do it. i don't think they can do it. i think this is an untested part of the constitution. did the founding fathers foresee an independent counsel? by the way, you can't bring someone under control who's independent. lou dobbs and others are out of control.

>> i think that the president himself is getting closer than ever. here's the problem. i think robert costa's reporting was so spot on. this becomes a real split in the republican party. you've got a president who's not in a bubble, he is in a speck of a bubble. he's listening to a few pundits, a few commentators. he's not listening to the rest of the republican party. we are in a midterm election cycle. chances are that the democrats will win the house majority. if president trump decides to fire the attorney general or the deputy attorney general or the special counsel, that creates an absolute crisis, an existential crisis for house republicans. every republican who goes to any campaign event can expect to get this question. was the president right to do those firings or was he wrong? if a republican in a moderate district says he was right to do

it, he loses independencts. if he says he was wrong to do it, he loses trump supporters. when we come back, we're going to talk about the ways that bob mueller, while not political in any way, shape or form, is doing things to protect his investigation potentially in fr t from the president. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪

with all of this turmoil, particularly this last week, has the president at any time thought about stepping down before or now? >> no. and i think that's an absolutely ridiculous question. we're moving on. >> it's not ridiculous. >> is it ridiculous? >> i think he's considering all kinds of things and i don't think it's ridiculous to think

one of those things might be, how do i get out of here. >> let's drill down on the icky category of all of this. michael cohen said he would take a bullet for the president. i heard from a source last night that said that's not the case, he wouldn't even go to jail for the president. if michael cohen was in the middle of hush money payments to women that the president had sexual relationships with, what could be in his records? what could the fbi and the u.s. attorneys be holding today? >> we're currently all thinking this is primarily about the skeevey stuff. the bombshell could be some connection between the president and that stuff. for example, if there's records that the president knew of a

setup of a delaware conference to pay off stormy daniels, if he knew there was someone sent to threaten her in a las vegas parking lot, if he knows about the capture and kill going on at the tabloid newspapers to silence stories, now you start weaving him into criminal conspiracies, hobbs act violations. something's in his records that's going to mention trump. i'm sure of it. >> let me bring jeremy bash back in the conversation. he's now a powerful and elegant man about washington, helped plan the raid that captured bin laden. might he have had a point when he first sort of came out on his public relations blitz? some people thought he was overly aggressive on the p.r.

front, but it seems like the legal fact versus caugs have ca the public arguments that he was making at the time, that perhaps the nda was all arolong not val because the president hadn't signed it. . >> what hasn't on the bingo card has been bank fraud and conspiracy to commit bank fraud. if michael cohen took out a loan to pay stormy daniels, i'm sure he didn't tell them what it was for. if there is evidence in michael cohen's office, in his hotel room or places of business that say the president knew about that -- and to frank's point,

the president could be guilty of conspiracy to commit bank fraud. that's a serious issue. the one thing we haven't figured out is who would prosecute that. would there be another special counsel who would have to be appointed? would they put this under bob mueller? >> i wanted to have this part of the conversation, because it seemed to me, frank -- you were o on the phone yesterday and we talked about this a little bit. it seems that this is bob mueller in some ways protecting the special counsel's investigation into russia but offering this to the us attorney's office. >> this is a bit of insurance here. he's sending a message that i may go away someday, but these allegations and this case doesn't go away. i've got a state attorney general, i've got a u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. who else do i have out there that will continue on long after i'm gone. >> i agree with that. the big lie that the president put forth yesterday -- and i hate to call the president of

the united states a liar because we all respect the presidency. but the big lie is that somehow mueller is behind this or he did this. he used the words broke in. they broke in to my lawyer's office. no. it was a federal judge that authorized on efvidence presentd by fbi agents vis-a-vis u.s. attorneys and they did it the proper way. we all no the standaknow the st going to be really hype. all good lawyers create these things called cya files. you all know what these initials mean. he's got one, i promise you. if i'm involved in some scheme, i've covered myself. i've got some records somewhere so that if it all goes wrong, i can say he knew or she knew. i think he's got files.

>> i remember mr. mueller and mr. comey when they were both directors of the fbi briefing members of congress on investigations on national security crises. they would always say the same thing. they would say, we will pursue the facts to a conclusion. sometimes the fact change and you reach a different conclusion, as you well know. the supposition that some make that this investigation was intended to pin down a campaign finance violation or something else may very well lead to things that will shock the american people. >> do you think we can still be shocked? we're now talking about a raid on michael cohen, who we spotted -- someone on my team spotted him in the lobby of r r rockefeller center. he's well known for going on tv and saying le ining ludicrous t support of the president. michael avanatti has leveled

some pretty serious charges against him and his associated for intimidating his client stormy cdaniels. >> if i had to predict just on the moment donald trump entered this race on escalators and talking about mexicans crossing the border to become racist, and he keeps upping the ante in terms of shock value. he always has to, because otherwise you stop paying attention. with every escalating scandal, he always is ratcheting it up a bit. i worry that the ultimate shock is firing bob mueller. i'm bracing for when that happens and the crisis and the destabilization of our country. >> who creates a crisis? what republican gets out of their zombie state and is in crisis? i don't disagree with your productions about what donald trump will do. i simply disagree that any

president -- they're in a trump induced stupor, afraid of a tweet. he's tweeted eed at me. i'm still standing. they are spineless. they are so afraid to do the right thing that they follow him down the rabbit hole to do the wrong thing every time. >> he can't accurately say this is red, this is blue, this is green. we're operating in this alternative universe of republicans who are, quite frankly, cowards these days. there was a gop senate lunch today but nothing was discussed about the potential of donald trump firing bob mueller. >> it's like stepford senators. >> republicans are not cowards. they are very courageous when it comes to their reelections. when they calculate that donald trump -- >> you should be able to beat every one of them. >> when they calculate that

donald trump has become a political liability in the upcoming midterm election, they will turn on him in a moment. the democrats only need 24 to become the majority in the house. even then, they have a small margin. so when they wake up to the fact that donald trump is going to cost them not only their majority, but the margin in their minority, they will turn on him like the brittle page of an old book. >> don't hold your breath. frank, i want to ask you about timing. you're always right with your predictions. what's your sense on where these investigations are? to get to the point where you can get a search warrant for yesterday's raid, where are they in investigating whatever that's about? >> great question. a lot of people aren't quite sure what probable cause means. so let's talk about it for a second. it not only means you're proving to a magistrate that you believe evidence of a crime exists, but that it exists in the place

you're seeking to search. think about that. they searched three locations yesterday. so i've been in front of many a magistrate in my career. they look at you and they go, frank, so you believe it's in the hotel why? think about how long it takes to establish that and prove it to a judge. your honor, i had him under surveillance. i saw him go into the hotel with that very same computer he conducts business on. that's the level of specificity you need for probable cause for locations. mueller's had this. he's referred it to the southern district and they're worked it for quite some time to get what they got yesterday. >> i heard from a former federal probability that it was his sense that, because of the incredibly high bar to execute a raid on someone's attorney in three locations, as frank just spoke to, it was his sense that either there was evidence of a crime or evidence of the

destruction of evidence. what do you think about that analysis? >> or both. i mean, usually you'd have to show the judge both. again, the big picture here is that the president through his spokesperson today basically said that the president is considering the unthinkable, considering firing the special counsel. and it shows a president who's lost it, who's snapped and who's lost all command of reason. he's doing it right at the moment where he's considering wartime efforts to take on assad in syria and to launch cruz missile strikes once more against syria. we have the commander in chief sitting at the table with his military leaders and he is completely governing by impulse. that is highly scary and highly concerning. >> its sure is. jeremy bash, we're so grateful to you for joining us. thank you. when we come back, mark zuckerberg just directly confirmed facebook is cooperating with the mueller investigation. the latest on his closely-watched senate testimony, next. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer,

which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor-positive her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole was significantly more effective at delaying disease progression

versus letrozole. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. alice calls it her new normal because a lot has changed, but a lot hasn't. ask your doctor about ibrance. the #1 prescribed fda-approved oral combination treatment for hr+/her2- mbc. when it comes to travel, i sweat the details. late checkout... ...down-alternative pillows... ...and of course, price. tripadvisor helps you book a... ...hotel without breaking a sweat. because we now instantly... ...search over 200 booking sites

...to find you the lowest price... ...on the hotel you want. don't sweat your booking. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices.

i assume facebook's been served subpoenas from the suspect mu special counsel's mueller's office, is that correct? >> yes. >> have you or anyone at facebook been interviewed by the special counsel's office? >> yes. >> have you been interviewed? >> i have not. let me clarify. i'm actually not aware of a subpoena. i believe that there may be, but i know we're working with them. >> facebook ceo mark zuckerberg saying his company is working with the special counsel. the rare joints senate hearing is still going on. the line to get into listen to the testimony was so long it stretched through doors and down hallways of capitol hill. joining us now, someone who always has a front row seat,

kara swisher. i heard some analysis through a mutual friend of your that the name boy genius, in a neither name neither applies for mark zuckerberg today. tell us why. >> i wrote a column talking about treating these men like boys. and that he is a ceo of a major company. you know, i think actually he is doing rather well mostly because most of the questions from the senators are really not very hard. i kind of compared it previously with lester holt on being hit by a wet noodle. so he is doing a good job answering easy questions pretty much. some news is leaking out, but not very much at all. >> what are the hard questions that someone like you would advise people to be asking? i mean what is facebook really on the line for? it seems that there is an open question about whether or not their own technology was weaponized by the united states democracy by russia. >> yeah, i'd ask what happened around the investigation of

cambridge analytica in great detail and in triplicate. they are asking him broad questions on terms of service and privacy. so it is allowing mark to make broad answers raesh highther thy specific questions. it seems like the senators are explaining like they know how to use the internet. one senator said his son likes instragram, not sure what it has to do with anything, but it is nice. so i would ask why didn't they tell the ftc about certain things, how many other organizations have misused the data, how it was used. i'd be highly specific about these things. and mark may or may not have the answers, but at least put the questions out there . >> former very senior official intelligence agency says that if he were looking to infiltrate the trump campaign, you would have looked at their finance reports, seen cambridge analytica as a vendor and that would have been the soft target

on the way in. do you think mark zuckerberg has an answer to questions about whether or not they were susceptible to that kind russia interference? >> no. he hasn't explained how it happened. and that is what i'd be interested in. and i would have started looking at cambridge analytica very lrl i because they were so linked with the trump campaign. and if there were allegations that the russians had misused the platform in order to men get trump get elected, that is the first place i'd get stopped. so they may have been doing this independent will the scenes, but no one really asked him exactly what they are doing and how they are looking into the abuse of data on the platform. >> something i learned in being involved in a special on bob mueller bs since t mueller, since early '90s, he's been very interested in tech. is it your prediction that bob mueller is light years ahead of where the congressional hearings are today and trying to understand the role of

facebook's technology and next issues between the russians and cambridge analytica and facebook data? >> well, he'd have to be. it is critically important how the system was misused. and it is not a surprise that they would be in touch with facebook. they have been this touch with all the tech companies because of the way these platforms have been used. so if he wasn't looking at how it was done, he wouldn't be doing his job and i'm assuming he is doing his job. as long as he has his job. >> exactly. we need you back at this table. see us in new york. thank you for sharing your honest thoughts with us. we'll sneak in our last break and be right back.

if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve

both symptom relief and remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. pml, a rare, serious, potentially fatal brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. this condition has not been reported with entyvio. tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections or have flu-like symptoms or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio. if your uc or crohn's treatment isn't working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach.

when you see some of the lowest options fees in the market and no platform fees? is it happy? good. then it's time for power e*trade. the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. e*trade. the original place to invest online. play [music plays]his". when everything's connected, it's simple. easy. awesome.

you don't think mark zuckerberg is having a good day on the hill? >> but for the raid yesterday, today's lead story would be zuckerberg and what we're seeing so far is he is not equipmeping himself so far. i'm not hearing what i need to hear about a plan to move forward safely. >> do you think bob mueller's assessment would be? >> i'm sure of it. >> my thanks to you all. that does it for our hour. mtp daily starts now with katy tur in for chuck. >> and if it is tuesday, facebook is under fire and the president is fired up. tonight how far will the president's fbi raid rage go? >> he thinks this entire thing is a witch hunt. >> president trump made it frighteningly clear that he may be considering firing special counsel mueller. >> plus congress pokes mark zuckerberg. >> i think the real question as the internet becomes more