and take that step the way we you don't think mark would find out whether or not he zuckerberg is having a good day on the hill? can actually do it would be >> but for the raid yesterday, likely through legal challenges today's lead story would be and a judge at some point likely zuckerberg and what we're seeing so far is he is not equipmeping all the way up to the supreme court would resolve this dispute between constitutional coal himself so far. similars for once and for all. i'm not hearing what i need to >> how long would that take? hear about a plan to move >> you know,coalsimilars for on forward safely. all. >> how long would that take? >> do you think bob mueller's >> you know, these expeditedrel assessment would be? >> i'm sure of it. >> my thanks to you all. that does it for our hour. quickly, but it wouldn't be mtp daily starts now with katy overnight. and the question is more of tur in for chuck. should he do it. >> and if it is tuesday, facebook is under fire and the i think we would all agree if a president is fired up. bank robber said i'd like to fire the prosecutor who is tonight how far will the investigating me, or if a president's fbi raid rage go? corrupt governor said i want this prosecutor to back off, no >> he thinks this entire thing is a witch hunt. one would think that that was a >> president trump made it good idea. we would all think that that frighteningly clear that he may investigative process should be be considering firing special permitted to proceed to its counsel mueller. >> plus congress pokes mark logical conclusion because we are a country that is grounded zuckerberg. in the rule of law. >> i think the real question as shouldn't be any different for a the internet becomes more president.

important in people's lives is so whether or not he can seems what is the right regulation, to me to be superseded by this not whether there should be. idea that he should not and if >> and what would federal regulation of facebook look he does as we've heard from republicans on the hill today, like? this is "mtp daily" and it it would be a signal that his starts right now. presidency would be coming to a close. >> no one would think it is a good idea besides i imagine the bank robber or the corrupt governor. if he does do that, and if it does have to go to the supreme court, what happens to the good evening. investigation, does it -- is it i'm katy tur in new york in for chuck todd. put on hold, is it stopped? and we're watching two major developing stories. is there is a concern about what we're keeping a close eye on would happen to that evidence? capitol hill where mark zuckerberg, founder and ceo of >> it's an unprecedented facebook, is more than two hours into a public grilling by dozens situation so we don't really of senators over his company's know the answer. imagining of users' personal one thing that we do know after data and how facebook may have yesterday's search warrant is been used in election meddling. coming up, we'll speak to that u.s. attorneys would have jurisdiction over all of these senator amy klobuchar who investigations if there was not a special counsel. a u.s. attorney in the district participated in the questioning. but we begin with the big of columbia could if she chose development in the russia to pick up that portion of the case. the same holds true for the case investigation. as sources are telling nbc news, in the eastern district of the president is furious after

the fbi raided the office and virginia. these cases have been indicted hotel room of his personal and they are moving forward and lawyer michael cohen. they have been indicted in the the white house is now saying name of the united states of that the president believes he america. has the power to fire the it is united states of america versus manafort, not mueller verse manafort. special counsel. >> do you believe he has the so the courts are looking for someone from the justice pourer to fire special counsel department to show up and robert mueller? >> certainly believes he has the prosecute, they don't care who power to do so. it is. >> just to be claire, regulear,s >> you said the president believes he has the power to fire mueller because usually say special counsel can be fired for misconduct, deer application most legal experts believe that he would have to order rod of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest or violation of rosenstein to fire mueller and department policies. rosenstein could of course refuse. would donald trump need to show >> a number of individuals in one of those things? the legal community and including at the department of >> so again we have this just question of what he would need to show when someone determines justice says he has the power to do so. what the statute means and what >> they say that only rosenstein he thinks he needs in order to act. he can act on whether he is right or whether would only be has the power. >> we've been advised that the dirged do power has the power. determined down the road. but what you are reading is what i can't go beyond that. >> this comes as the president it would take for an attorney general or an acting attorney

is stewing over what he says as a provocative move by mueller, general to fire bob mueller and across the board with very rare perhaps nobody closer to donald trump that didn't share his last exceptions no one believes that mueller has crossed any of those name than michael cohen, lines or details that would make probably even closer than some that do share the last name. him fireable. >> i know we're getting so this raid is hitting very close to home. nitty-gritty, but it is federal prosecutors in manhattan important because we don't know how the process would unfolds. obtained the search warrants for cohen after a referral from and with sarah huckabee sanders saying he has the authority, now special counsel mueller and nbc is the time to get studied up. news reports that rod rosenstein personally signed off on the earlier today you told the "washington post" that the raid on michael cohen was a bomb raid. legal sources say that means mueller found evidence of a potential crime and himself that mueller determined that the dropped on trump's front porch. matter did not involve the what did you mean by that? russia investigation. >> this is the first time that this investigation has landed in response the president is lashing out at the mueller almost literally on the probe, his own justice department and the american president's door step. legal system at large. up until now, a little removed. and when asked late yesterday why he doesn't just fire he certainly has maintained mueller -- the president didn't throughout this process that he has done nothing wrong. rule it out. now we have this scenario where one of his oldest friends, his >> why don't i just fire mueller? well, i think it is a disgrace what is going on. we'll see what happens. lawyer, his fixer, has hid had

but i think it is really a sad situation when you look at what home, his office and hotel room happened. many people have said you should fire him. searched. >> but today at least before the and it is important if we're going to talk details, you are white house made those comments, some top republicans in congress right, we are at the point where felt confident that the president wouldn't of reason an we have a to, to prosecutors get those search warrants, they had to satisfy a federal judge and leadership in doj that they had it. >> i think the president is too probable cause to search each of those locations. that didn't mean -- we think smart to fire mr. mueller. if he did, it wouldn't end the cohen is up to no good. investigation. >> i haven't seen clear it means for each those indication yet that we needed to locations we have specific information that leads us to believe that we will find pass something to keep him from evidence or fruits of a crime when we search. so a very detailed standard, him removed. i don't think that will happen. i don't. >> joins me is joyce vance. very redistrict differenemocrat welcome. so does the president have the ichl. and trump has to understand that authority, the power, to fire there is a specific threats.dem. and trump has to understand that there is a specific threats. robert mueller outright? >> it is being debated about why >> so it is an interesting the special counsel would hand this off. question that constitutional was it peripheral or outside of scholars have been debating for the special counsel's purview or

something that would take up so some time now. former solicitor general who actually wrote the special much time and effort going counsel regulations seems to through all of the documents to take the view that although the decide what is attorney/client president probably can't do it privilege and then handing it directly, and needs to do it by over to a clean team to decide directing rod rosenstein acting what is recommend haven't? that takes so much time that the attorney general for purposes of special counsel might have off this case to do it, the real is to go ahead loaded to the southern district in order to have them to do it and come back to them if they found anything that was relevant. >> so all of the above seems like the right answer here. it is not entirely clear to me, i know we've seen some reporting that indicates that this case was sent to the central district of new york. i think one possibility though is that the southern district of new york provided the dirty team that goes in and takes the first cut on what is produced in the search to make sure that the prosecutors who are handling the case don't see anything that might force them to be removed from the team because they have seen material that foints vr in

violates attorney/client privilege. so that is one possibility. and then either of the reasons that you suggest is a possibility for why this portion of the investigation might be turned over to rod rosenstein and bob mueller in its entirety to the southern district of new york seems more probable to me that it would be turned over because of the resource restriction. mueller has limited team, they are obviously fully occupied, it would have been hard to stand up a taint team and maintain his prosecutorial team. but also strategically if this is a piece that is distinct from the russian court, his investigation, then there could be some jurisdictional reason to let the southern district of new york proceed. >> joyce vance, thank you so much for clarifying all of it for us. we appreciate it. i know it gets a little confusing. let's bring in tonight's

panel. he had gloud, katie burns, and also john dchpothorse. i was talks to a showers that says that the trump family seems this is beyond the pale. >> and it was interesting from lawmakers because they were sounding like they have on other iterations of this. saying we don't have to worry about it yet because we don't think that he is actually going to do it. if you look at polling, it is really interesting. there is a quinnipiac poll that came out today that showed that a majority of people think that the investigation has ban fair, but 54% of republicans think it hasn't been fair. so over the past several months,

the president has tried to undermine the investigation as we know. and its working with republicans to the point that you have republicans lawmakers saying that he won't even go there. you could also argue that a lot of the damage is already done in terms of public perception. >> when i look at lindsey graham or senator kennedy talking and saying that the president is too smart to do this, kind of get the sense that they figured out how to play the president. they are saying you are too smart do this. >> it would be a gigantic crisis if he fired the guy who was investigating him precisely at the moment it appears at which not only to the people who hate him but the people who support him that the investigation has landed on his doorstep. if he did it six months ago, it might be a slightly different story. i think that what is interesting about this is precisely that it is not the russia investigation. i think. that is to say we're now talking

about stormy daniels and the $130,000 payout and the playboy model and all of that. and the main contention of trump's backers on the right has been that there is no evidence of collusion, no one can target him as some sort of colluder with russia and there is no underlying crime. but this in this case, there ap to be an juunderlying crime whi is either a violation of campaign finance law or violation of gift law and that trump might be colluding in a conspiracy with michael cohen to evade one or the other of these. that is a real crime. it may not live to the rise of a level of a crime that you remove somebody from office when he got 63 million votes. but it is something real and it is not does his missable tismis that you dismiss the russia investigation on the grounds that you have to prove that there was a thing at first that there was a conspiracy about. >> but we have to note that we

haven't seen the results of the russia investigation get. and it certainly already had ended in a lot of indictments of russians, so bearing fruit in that way. paul manafort. so if that is the case. if it is really because this michael cohen thing could potentially be very damaging for donald trump, why fire the special counsel? why talk about firing the s special counsel? >> because he's trump. >> isn't that just confusing the entire justice department? >> i think so. he thinks that the justice department should work for him. he thinks jeff sessions should protect his back. they aren't doing it. and this makes the signalling y presumes he is a reaction al actor. yesterday suggested a kind of level of emotion that should

worry of us. he said this was an attack on the country. so the idea that he would respond to someone saying you are too smart to do this seems to underplay what is really a visceral response to the fact that he is caught between the hairs. >> but isn't that the way it is working? you have to figure out how to play mind games with the president through his favorite medium which is television, you have to send him a message through tv. he is getting legal advice through fox news, from chris christie on abc. that is how he gets it. >> i degree. graeme o graham and kennedy were very clear. but you could see a situation in which he will say i've listened to you guys and this keeps building into something bigger and bigger and now it is at my front door in terms of my other than penal lawyer and that is where -- not saying it is right,

about you explaining where he is comingal lawyer and that is where -- not saying it is right, about you explaining where he is comial lawyer and that is where -- not saying it is right, about you explaining where he is coming foreign policy% ifw h--- >> if you he could fire mueller tomorrow and whether the clean team or taint team, its not in mueller's per you view. so if that is the threat, firing mueller didn't save him from anything. >> jonathan turley said that the stormy daniels case would get him in trouble. and clint watts said it was the public corruption unit inthat ut served the warrant. so this is at president's doorstep. that it is not contained. and all of those other ndas and when they were signed, all of

that comes into view now. so he is worried. >> we have new reporting multiple sources familiar with the proceedings say that stormy daniels is cooperating with federal investigators probing the 2016 non-disclosure agreement and the $130,000 payment she received from president trump's long time personal attorney michael cohen. so she is cooperating although not entirely unexpected. when you look at this and you consider all of the factors at play, donald trump has lost all of the guardrails, hope hicks is gone, john dowd is gone, adults in the room have left the white house. he is getting more people in that will play to his i thinsti. john kelly has no influence. syria has no influence. >> this is one of the reasons why the founders that the wrote the constitution with the notion

that the people to investigate the president for crimes was congress. that is how the impeachment statute was written. we are on the verge i think of a military strike on syria. the idea that his emotions have been roiled by this investigation is very troubling. this is the most important act of his administration if he takes a serious military action against syria. and you don't want him in that state. and this is part of the problem of having him tied up in the legal system. even though no one should be above the law. >> and we'll bring joyce vance back in. she got back up. joyce, what do you think of the fact that stormy daniels is now cooperating with federal investigators? >> it is interesting news, it is not entirely unexpected. one of the biggest brightest top lines that we have always seen in the stormy daniels story is a potential federal election campaign violation.

an illegal contribution. and although typically those are administrative matters, they can be criminal matters particularly if there was an intentional violation of either contribution limits or another portion of the statute. so there is definitely some work for prosecutors to do as they flush out her story. >> so according to report, stormy daniels payment is also the karen mcdougal payment and any documents related to the national quier for her story. and also michael cohen owns a lot of maedalliomedallions. and they were really valuable. they would sell for upwards of a million dollars. one of the best investments you could make. now their stral has plummeted significantly. do you have any insight why they would be looking into that?

>> it is hard to know exactly what to make of this. we don't see much documentation where mueller says here is what i'm investigating or where the u.s. attorney and the southern district of new york would clarify that. but what we do know is that there was a search warrant and it is reported that prosecutors are looking into bank fraud and wire fraud as well as campaign finance violations. so there could be some sort of a bank fraud scheme or a wire fraud, a fraud essentially eif he can chew eigeif he can cheef using wire means. >> and could this be prosecutors putting a lot of pressure on michael cohen to get him to flip on trump? >> that is absolutely a process.

he will have to decide whether he wants to stand trial or if he wants to work out a deal. he has always maintained that he is the guy who would take a bullet for president. we'll find out whether that is true or not. >> and he did tell me that, i would take a bullet for the president. he has always been extra ordinarily loyal to donald trump. but some of his friends have taken him aside lately and said listen, you really have to think broke protecting yourself. donald trump won't save you, this is about your lemm jen ga n jeopar jeopardy, not his. but if donald trump fires the special counsel which is a sleep because this is the southern district of new york, what do dems do with that? do they start making this an issue for 2018? >> absolutely. >> isn't that risky.

>> but you have to. it is about the country. it is a constitutional crisis. if folks are thinking good democrats and republicans, then we have a serious problem that goes beyond donald trump. and i was thinking we have two michaels hover management background. michael steeles doi s doteele d michael wolf. >> the special counsel is the asking about michael cohen. joyce vance, thank you so much. a live look right now at the senate, facebook hearing that we have been watching all day, still going. we'll bring you the latest from mark zuckerberg's testimony and we'll also talk with senator amy klobuchar who just questioned the ceo. "mtp daily" is right back.

♪ ♪ from only the thickest, juiciest heinz tomatoes. no one grows ketchup like heinz™. i had a very minor fender bender tonight! in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don't worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy's part. like fact that they'll just... forgive you... four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.

welcome back. mark zuckerberg is still testifying before a joints senate committee hearing where he is facing a grilling on user privacy. senators want to know how cambridge analytica obtained the data from as many as 87 million facebook users for political targeting. but here is what this all comes down to. targeted advertising is how facebook makes its money. >> your first visit to capitol

hill back in 2010. you spoke to the senate republican high tech task force which i chair, you said back then that facebook would always be free. is that still your objective? >> senator, gentlemyes. there will also be a verse that is free. >> how do you sustain a business model in which users don't pay for your service? >> we run ads. >> theres is right there. zuckerberg said in a facebook hears from users who would prefer content relevant to their lives, but now the priece of tht is in the spot lights. the question is whether regulation of social media companies like facebook could come next. amy cloklobuchar was in the hearing. what is your impression of from zuckerberg and the answers he is

giving the senate? >> i think first of all he has said this was a major breach of trust is cl which is different what they said initially. and he has focused on privacy rules and blatantly said yeah, we may need to have privacy regulation in place. so i figure we have a product now, all of the social media plat fors that are paid platforms that are making a lot of phone and we have to make sure that the laws are sophisticated and then the people trying to violate people's privacy. so the part where he said we make money off of ads, that is true. but that didn't meoesn't mean p should have their personal data given to political kurlt tacons. >> graham held up the thick pick work that you have to go through

to say yes, sign on, when they say they want to use facebook. it is something that md acknowlt had nobody reads. so is there any talk of having something akin to a user's bill of rights, something like you did for passengers, something that says you can opt in or it can on only, collected for a short period of time? >> exactly. we did it with cellcellphones. if there is a bleach, there should the be rule. and i specifically asked him how about 72 hours, should tlnhere t be a requirement that you notify a user of a breach and he said that that was something he was open to and i think it is just the example. and remember, he is just one xi.

a ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies.xi. ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies.i. ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies.. ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies.ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies.ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies. ceo. we have to talk to consumer groups and other companies. but the other significant thing was the political ads. and he has endorsed the act from mccain and warner so that there are disclaimers. >> the same way they are when they play on television. so you have the endorsement and support of facebook and twitter. what about the endorsement and support of your colleagues in the senate? >> i'm not worried about the democratic side. i know senator mccain, senator graham and kennedy are not, but they have expressed interest in the bill and said why thingood about the idea. i just hope that it doesn't continue by the as to of people

that want to run slimy ads and they figure the webest way is targeted internet ads. so if you are in the suburbs and think that you don't want sleazy ads run against a candidate wasted on immigration or issues like gun safety, you can finally see those ads. and i think that will be very helpful for candidates a political campaigns as well as the press and that is the only way we can have free and open elections. >> do you use facebook? >> yes, i do. i just put up my dad's 90th birthday wishing him happy birthday with a photo, tammy duckworth's baby and of course plenty of posts about facebook and twert aitter. >> why were you not inclined to delete your account after all of

this is this. >> because i believe that you can do better. i believe that we need -- we can't cut ourselves off from social media, whether it is twitter or instragram or facebook or youtube. and that what we need here is not to stop these brilliant companies from these operations, but instead putting common sense regulations that protect our privacy and also with the elections ahead, protect our democracy and nothing was happening until this breach was exposed. >> the tech is young and fast moving. hard to keep up with. congress on the other hand is slow moving. no offense. but it is not young and i don't mean that to be -- >> no, no, no. >> does that make it difficult in trying to find a way to regulate a company like this? >> i appreciated some of the tweets that said i appeared to how it worked compared to some of my colleagues. but i think you can craft good legislation.

i'm working on some things now. i think that you can do that and make it work. i think doing nothing and just putting your heads in the sand and say that we have a bunch of people that can't get it done, that is no answer for the american people. >> senator, happy birthday to your dad. >> thank you. ahead president trump believes he can fire robert mueller, but you what are the chances that he will actually do it? we'll go live to the white house next. >> tech: at safelite autos we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids... ♪ music >> tech: ...every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why at safelite, we'll show you exactly when we'll be there. with a replacement you can trust. all done sir. >> grandpa: looks great! >> tech: thanks for choosing safelite. >> grandpa: thank you! >> child: bye! >> tech: bye! saving you time... so you can keep saving the world. >> kids: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪

you wouldn't accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.

back now to those two breaking stories, legal stories that are touching the white house. first the president believes he has the power to fire special counsel robert mueller. and second that stormy daniels is cooperating with federal government investigators. let's bring back our panel. let's talk when how donald trump is going to be fighting back

against this. you just got a -- >> yes, got a fund raising e-mail saying this fight isn't against me, they are not after me, their target is you. the stwamp doesnwamp doesn't wa- >> be careful, they might those pa. that. >> but here is the point. is this t this is is the trick. trump versus everything else. he needs the house to remain republican and the house so that the democrats don't impeach him. if his line is everyone is coming at me but you out there, that is not really going to help his case when he has to argue that they should vote for republicans for the house. >> maybe. maybe that. yes. but that whole idea that when

they attack me, they are really attacking you, is something like it or not that he used extremely effectively in 2016 and like it or not, i'm going to bet right now he will use it extremely effectively in 2020 if he gets to that point. >> absolutely. and he continues to use hillary clinton as a foil as we know. remember republicans had a field day with her comments recently when she seemed to come off as denigratin denigrating. and you are also hearing from republicans and campaigns invoking the spector of impeachment saying the argument that may, may not like everything is trump is doing, but dif democrats win the house they will push forward with impeachment so everything you voted for will be derailed. and so you are kind of seeing this build up. >> and the irony of course is that this was a very successful

strategy in 1998 for bill clinton who went to democrats and said if you let them get me, they are getting you. this is the christian right coming at liberal policies and good progressive ideas. >> and you look defeated and i want to talk to you about it, but we just got jeff bennett at the white house. jeff, what is going on in the white house right now? what is the news, what is the chatter, is the president talking when firing jeff mueller? -- bob mueller. >> reporter: here is the thing. as we know, aer are sarah sand that she was advised that the president does have the authority to do just that. and as pete williams pointed out the courts have never been clear about this very issue and i spoke with some conservative thinkers and they say that the

framers permitted a formidable blanc branch. so even there is a regulation that says only the attorney general can fire the special counsel, they say that the constitution supersedes any regulation. and this person told me he had been advising the white house about this. and wouldn't say anything beyond that. >> so you got the source, sarah huckabee sanders's source. >> potentially. but as you can imagine, this is all sort of fast moving here. and so that is the thing that we're trying to get more reporting on. >> i understand that. and it has to be tough because he probably says a lot of things to a lot of people. but you were noting this earlier and i thought it was such a fascinating catch, the white house is really changing their rhetoric on robert mueller. while it might not be surprising for the president to say he's going to fire him, the white house has been very different in

regards to mueller when answering the questions. talk about how that has changed just today. >> anytime this comes up or anytime the president talks tough against the special counsel investigation, the white house typically puts out what is a boilerplate response to say out of respect for the ongoing investigation, we pledge full cooperation. something along those lines. yesterday when we reached out for reaction, sarah sanders said that the president's comments stand and today during the press believing, she wouldn't describe explain or elab blat. she kept referring back to the president's comments. that is a difference. >> and somebody told me earlier that they believe somebody who has been a long time staffer of the president's who has a good

sense of what his moods are like, a good sense of what the family's takes are told me that the president is probably pacing around the white house talking about how he wants to fire mueller, ten people are saying don't do it, which is only emboldening him more. >> that's right. and one imagines what he thinks once he is told that he can actually fire the special counsel. >> jeff bennett, it'll let you o so you can figure out what is happening in that white house behind you. appreciate it. >> i am thinking about all the people around the country who are trying to make end's meet, trying to keep food on the table, pay rent, and having to navigate and negotiate this stuff. this nonsense. i mean just think about it, the president of the united states, just said yes to $25 million

fraught sued to trump university. michael cohen his lawyer. obstruction, collusion, and then you combine all of that with incompeten incompetence. someone that you don't think has a moral center. whose narcissism is so unbounded that he will make the decision with regards to syria, he will make the decision with regards to north korea. and so i'm thinking about hard working every day people, whether white, black, brown, purple or yellow, having to live in perhaps a country that is, wow, that is in decline. and the face of that is a b-list reality actor. >> eddie, we'll leave it there for a moment and come back. ahead, another top trump adviser is out and this one took even insiders would i surprise. and also another live look at the mark zuckerberg hearing

under way. testimony expected to continue for another few hours. we'll monitor the hearing and bring you any major developments. captivating exteriors dynamic lighting elevated comfort powerfully efficient and one more thing the world comes with it ♪you can go your own way... the 2019 jeep cherokee

let's team up to get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks yaaay! the complete balanced nutrition of (great tasting) ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. always be you. welcome back. home land security adviser was fired today in an effort by john bolton to clean house and consolidate power. bossert was called in to bolton's office early tuesday morning and told that he was being fired according to a

source with direct knowledge, saying that boss certificate er aware there was any intention to seek his regular nation. the latest in a long line of senior officials leaving the administration. we'll be back after a quick break. from some unexpected friends. these zebra and antelope. they're wearing iot sensors, connected to the ibm cloud. when poachers enter the area, the animals run for it. which alerts rangers, who can track their motions and help stop them before any harm is done. it's a smart way to help increase the rhino population. and turn the poachers into the endangered species. ♪ ♪ with exciting new dishes like lobdueling lobster tails.r. and lobster truffle mac & cheese. classics like lobster lover's dream are here too. so enjoy these 10 lobsterlicious dishes now.

because lobsterfest ends april 22nd. it's a lot easier to make decisions when you know what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you're in the loop at every step

from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. ♪ oh and at fidelity, you'll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. ♪ just remember what i said about a little bit o' soul ♪ time for the lid. the panel is back. also former fbi special analyst. clint, welcome to the table -- sort of. >> by extension. >> by extension. you've sat in senate hearings before, you've testified, last time you were there i believe you were talking about russian botts and russian meddling. are mark zuckerberg's answers on that so far sufficient to you? >> he's doing fine.

it's what i think everybody expected. from the senators, you can see their tech savviness based on the questions. some are pretty savvy and others you get a gasp in there once in a while. facebook has made more changes in the past week than they have the last five years in terms of how their platform operates so they must really know on their back end how much the user experience has changed base on russia, base on cambridge analytica and all these disclosures. what i find surprising is that the -- you had senator klobuchar on here just a few minutes ago and she put that forth months ago and it's really the senate that's not passed this facebook has come forward, twitter has come forward, these social media companies are self-regulate bud you're not seeing the politicians do that and the one thing about the pot and kettle here is par part of the reason

facebook has so much trouble is all those lobbying groups are on that flat form as well. it's the best place to target voters. >> hard to regulate something that benefits you, clinton when you're looking at the way facebook is responding the russian baots, will they be abl to clear it away for 2018 or that has that boat sailed? >> i don't know that they can do it before 2018 but in my experience facebook has been the best about jumping on these things. if you remember after our presidential election in 2016 they jumped and moved aggress e aggressively before the french election. they have produced more evidence and information useful for me as a researcher in terms of the ads and accounts and have been more forth coming with the senate intelligence committee and i think they are the most sophisticated and we are seeing the challenges they are having

so imagine on all these other social media platform, the problems they're having when chef so much less resources and so much fewer people and technology working on it. i'm interested in seeing other people's problems because facebook is the best and they can't get it done. >> there is a fox in the henhouse thing going on here. there was always this talk about should you be regulated? and mark zuckerberg said maybe we should be and someone said could you give me ideas of how to regulate you and he said great, there is a theory in law called regulatory capture in which a major corporation works with the government to regulate itself to prevent new companies from coming in and eating its lunch. facebook is now such a dominant company that the social media space that it could benefit from a regulatory regime that it helps set up for itself and that

will keep other people from swamping it and taking its position. >> clint, what do you think of that? >> they are the utility. if you think back, they built the backbone and the most comprehensive social media platform. they bought instagram. if you notice one of the advantages of having a facebook account is you can log into other applications or log into newspapers and things like that in terms of subscriptions which is a lot of benefit and they've tried to push in money in financial transactions so they are their own utility and one of the questions senator graham was asking is are you a monopoly and zuckerberg's answer was i don't feel like a monopoly but because they do things new social media companies can do or none of them can do, puts them in a powerful position. john is right, they could regulate themselves into a dominant position. >> let ice talk about the power they have once you install that

app on your phone, it's following you wherever you go. facebook messenger can access a good portion of what is in your phone. senator durbin was talking to zuckerberg and he asked him "would you be comfortable sharing with where you stayed last night?" and zuckerberg said no. and durbin said if you messaged anybody this week would you share with us the names of the people you messaged? no. that does such a good job of illustrating yes, obviously i'm not comfortable sharing this information but that's what if collects. >> and they asked him about the -- what was it, the 2,000 page user agreement that nobody reads. there are a lot of questions about the responsibility of the consumer and how facebook anies of itself as a company. as a consumer, if you are using this you should know you are putting information out there and because it's free there is

going to be something used for it. what facebook is facing the reckoning is what kind of company they are. are they a media company? are they a data-selling company? these are questions that affect everybody everyday because to your point we use it effort. >> you have to look at what you're signing up for can't unring a bell, cant put a genie back in the bottle, pick your poison, clint, eddie, kaitlin, john, thank you. happy tuesday. you can get more of the lid, "meet the press" has a new audio briefing for you every afternoon called the lid. our nbc news political unit will run down the day's most important stories in politics. go get it. we'll be right back.

that's all for tonight, chuck will be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. the beat with ari melber start this is second. >> we begin with breaking news, something you may not have expected to hear. stormy daniels is cooperating with federal agents investigating michael cohen. she's talking to the feds after something quite unusual, the fbi raid of the president's lawyer michael cohen hitting his office and hotel. seizing documents that we believe are related to at least $130,000 payment that cohen

facilitated to daniels. donald trump famously said "ask michael." agents looking for potential documents on a separate arrange arrangement with karen mcdougal, she had an affair with