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responding to a threat from vladimmir putin. >> russia will do everything to protect its people in syria. we don't know how far that pledge goes. the crucial question is will russia engage if there is a u.s. and french missile strike. protecting robert mueller. senators from both sides of the aisle sending a strong message to the president trying to limit his ability to fire the special counsel. now that it may be harder to get mueller, will he go after the justice department. >> so called break in to michael cohen iefs and hotel room and the way he's dismissed the investigation as a witch hunt has many in congress concerned that the president may, in fact, abruptly fire rod rosenstein or try and fire robert mueller directly which would cripple his presidency. good day.
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a huge news day down in washington including a blockbuster announcement from the speaker of the house. paul ryan ending months of speculation by announcing he will not seek re-election this november. another retirement in what could be a mass exodus for the gop. >> you all know i did not seek this job. i took it reluctantly but i have given this job everything i have. i have no regrets for having accepted this responsibility. i really do not believe whether i stay or go in 2019, is going to affect a person's viindividu race for congress. i don't think it will hinge on whether paul ryan is speaker or not. >> joining me is kristen welker at the white house. kasie hunt on capitol hill.
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charlie sykes. let me start with you, kasie where the news broke. there were rumors and stories about the possibility of ryan leaving the speaker. why today? >> reporter: there had been rumors and that because the speaker was talking to people about whether or not it was a good idea to stay on. his official team would deny, deny, deny, deny that he was going anywhere. of course, that's sort of the political reality you find yourself in when something like this is going on. we just came back from a two-week easter recess. the speaker said he was going to discuss with his wife what he was going to do. the process in wisconsin for getting on the ballots kicks off april 15th. this was a decision he ahehad t
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make. the timing is interesting because it's risky. it sets up a six month period where the fighting could be fieging among itself. you could have a conservative insurgency try to say they don't want him to be speaker for this intervening time. gh he gets to leave on his own terms instead of losing the majority and his gavel. he said that he wanted to be honest with his own constituents. one option for the gop would be to get on the ballballot, get reelected and announced he would be resigning. he said i don't feel like that would be the honest thing to do. i do know what i want to leave. let's be real about the realities. the republican party is facing a difficult midterm election this fall. the process that he would be demoted from speaker to leader
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is huge. trump has had an difficult time navigating trump's republican party and dominance. remember on the campaign trial ryan at one point said he couldn't support trump. then turned around and ended up doing it after it didn't necessarily go so well for him with with base of his party. the guy that paul ryan is and the way he acts in his personal life doesn't line up to the way we have seen mr. speaker -- sir do you want to stop and talk more about this. sorry about that. as the speaker typically doesn't talk at all in the hallway. we got a bit more out of him than we normally did with that exchange. these two people are very different. paul ryan and donald trump are different men with different priority, ways of doij business. the speaker was forced to answer what the president was saying or doing on a given day.
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facing criticism for it. when we felt like people weren't giving him credit for behind the scenes, being someone trying to steer trump in the right direction. that became part of an overall untenable reality. >> that brings us to the white house side of the story where kristen welker is. the foundational moment that kasie was describing. i i think back to october 2016, the access hollywood tape had come out. paul ryan disowned trump add a republican candidate. told republican members of congress throw him under the bus if you need to. save yourself, save our majority. from that point to today, how has that relationship worked? how are the white house reacting? >> reporter: first to the evolution of the relationship. this was ice y from the start. once president trump was in
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office, it continued to be rocky. then we saw the big fight over health care. president trump lashing out at the house speaker as well as leader mcconnell. he didn't think they were doing enough to get health care over the finish line. then remember, paul rye wran dit a version of health care passed through the house. that's when you started the see the relationship turn. those two men realized they could work together. then the victory over tax reform. there were challenges. there were a lot of thorny issues that remain between these two men. including the fact the president was infuriated over this recent spending bill. he didn't think republicans
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secured enough funding for border walls and the tweets. the fact the house speaker had to respond to and some ways give the party line on where it stood in terms of ef tweet that the president put out. how is the white house responding? a white house official said they will hold the house speaker to his word that he still wants to get things done. that means on infrastructure, immigration as well as trying to get some better spending bills done. the president praising him in a tweet. the two men will have dinner tonight. >> charlie sykes, somebody who has known paul ryan before we did. you hear him in that clip and his announcement today. he's trying to down play the significance. talk about spending more time with the family. this seems like a large signal moment for the republican party
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when you consider what paul ryan represented. he always talked about that old jack kemp wing of the republican party. he wouldn't even campaign for at the end of the 2016 campaign. does this say something larger about this moment in the future of the republican party? >> yeah, there's no question about it. he's very sincere about his being a father and the family issues. that's for real but you're correct. look, there was a time, not that long ago, when paul ryan was the future of the conservative movement. when he was in inexctellecintel leader. this is donald trump ee's party. it's not paul ryan's party anymore. this relationship has been so rocky. marked by that extraordinary moment back in october 2016 that you mentioned but also including paul ryan's decision to become the number one enabler of donald
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trump in congress. that's been a very, very complicated relationship. i assumed that he was going to stay in the race because he didn't want to look like he was putting up the white flag. this is going to really feed the narrative of the big blue wave. also, i can't imagine how hard it must be to be paul ryan and have to carry donald trump on your back. have to look the other way. have to rationalize so much and the prospect of going through a summer dealing with whatever it is that donald trump is about to do was just too much for paul ryan. i hope he does move on and change his priorities in life. this is not a great moment for house republicans. this is a real turning point in this relationship. >> all right.
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somebody who has fwhoknown pauln from the beginning. thanks to all of you. charlie mentioned one of the contexts in which this announcement will be read is the context of the potential for a blue wave this november that could sweep republicans out of the majority. this is the lay of the land in the house. couple of these va can circumstances two are democratic seats that are vacant. we're also counting conor lamb. that would put them at 195. they got to get to 218. the magic number 23. if they get that, they win back the house. what was paul ryan looking at. you take trump out of this for a second. one of the realities of midterm elections is they always go against the party that controls the white house. the question isn't who's going to win. the question is how bad is it going to be for the white house party. we had some doozyies in the pas.
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you only had two exceptions here. these two exceptions where the white house party gained seets, the president, both of those years. clinton in '98, bush in '02, both of them had high approval ratings. donald trump ratings 25, 30 points less than theirs were. those the only two exceptions. you had 23 seats. that's the target for democrats. that's one of the realities ryan and republicans were looking at here. you go back 1994. that's the last time you had the leader of one of these parties heading into the election saying i'm just not going to run. i'm going to retire. bob michael. that's the last time before today we saw news like that. where does this leave republicans going forward. roger marshal joins me now. it's very unusual to have an anoun announcement in the midterm
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election. do you think this has problems for your party. >> i think this is a personal decision for paul. it has nothing to do with donald trump. it has nothing to do about the election. when paul came here he was a young single person. they are young kids that are teenagers. he wants to go home and be more than just a sunday dad. the republican party will be just fine. as long as nan scy pelosi is th head of the democratic party, we'll be okay on the republican side. >> you saw in southwest pennsylvania you're getting a new colleague there in congress tomorrow. a democrat from a district that president trump carried by 20 points in 2016. you've seen democrats in so many of these special elections shaving 10, 15, 20 points off the trump margin. that doesn't concern you at all? >> it's a wake up call for us but i think you need to be
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lookinglook ing at some of the other polling. the republicans are closing the gap. trump's going to carry a lot of states. i think i'm going to take my hand, the hand that's been dealt us. >> again, just on that point, not to belabor it but your new colleague tomorrow is a democrat from a state that president trump won. from a district that president trump won. connor lamb from southwest pennsylvania. that seems to suggest maybe democrats are making some end roads there, no. >> i guess you see a different election proses thcess than i s. i saw him run away from the democratic party. if he votes the way he says, he'll be voting with the republican caucus.
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>> what is going to come next for republicans? paul ryan is stepping aside. we're hearing kevin mccarthy. do you have a favorite who you would like to see lead the party? >> what my focus is to keep our party together. circle the wagon around paul ryan. he's ban great leader. we owe it to him to support him through the rest of the race. through the fall and onto january 1st. we'll do that. steve and kevin are great peopler. if anybody tries to circumvent this, we'll cut their legs out from under him. >> does that cause any additional difficulty for republicans trying to run for re-election. you may not be too worried about the environment but i've heard some of your colleagues speak differently about it. does it complicate things for republicans to have this opening at the very top at this point in election year?
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>> i don't think so. we have an incredible bench of leadership ready. a great group of people that will step into this role. i think it will seem very seamless. i think the leadership and this republican party shares the same goals with paul ryan. i think it really comes down to the local level. what is your representative. how is the representatives relationship with your own con stit -- constituents. i think the people lekked me and what i stood for. they respect paul ryan. he's been a great face for the republican party. we'll move on. it doesn't end when president bush finished his presidency. i really respect what paul is doing now. >> all right. thank you for the time. coming up, message to
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moscow. president trump issues a twitter threat to vladmir putin after russia vows to shoot down any missiles over syria. we'll have the latest, next. i had a very minor fender bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don't worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy's part. like fact that they'll just... forgive you... four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.
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be shot down. the president said get ready russia because they will be coming nice and new and smart. you shouldn't be partnering with an animal. president trump is facing a self-imposed deadline about his military options in syria. you have the president saying russia, look out. what is the latest in terms of moscow posture on this? >> reporter: you're quoting the russian ambassador to lebanon who didn't just say they would shoot down american missiles aimed at syria but also they would target the place where those miskilsiles were fired fr. perhaps u.s. armaments in the mediterranean sea. if you speak to military
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planners, they are fully aware of the air defenses russian and syrian that defend syria and what they call package response package would take that into account. i had the opportunity to talk with the russian foreign ministry spokeswoman today and she wasn't as strongly worded as the russian ambassador to lebanon saying there are large numbers in syria and russia will do everything to protect its people on syrian soil. we're told that there are around 8,500 russian citizens inside syria. they said smart missiles should be aimed at terrorists.
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the russians refusing to accept that this could be a chemical weapons attack carried out by damascus. russian military giving a briefing in which they talked about syrian rebels practicing for faking chemical attacks. what will a missile attack by the u.s. have. the reality is i think it will have a limb edlimited affect on ground even if it's substantial. it's an important message over the use of chemokical weapons. in terms of what's happening on the ground is russia is there with boots on the ground. the u.s. just doesn't have the same level of investment at this
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point and moscow knows that. >> all right. thank you for that. msnbc chief international security and diplomacy analyst. he joins me now. thank you for joining us. he said in terms of impact on the ground, the impact of a potential u.s. missile strike, he thinks would be limited. probably wouldn't do much. do you agree with that? >> yes and no. if we can find ours to using unmanned tomahawk missiles, you can't create significant military affect. you could use that first wave to knock down the anti-air war fair systems of the syrians. that opens the battle space for major manned aircraft strikes. ploo
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believe me. we could do a lot of damage if we flew off a carrier or land base from the gulf. we could have significant impact on the ground. the answer is it depends. is it a one off. just fire a bunch of tomahawks, not a big effect. if it's followed up wi manned aircraft into less defended air battle space, big impact. >> let me ask you about the timing of this. this is how he talked about the attacks in the past. >> my administration will not tell dpraf exactly military plan and what they are. you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> no, we're not. >> you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> one of the things you've noticed me about is i don't like to say where i'm going and what
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i'm doing. >> you contrast those past statements with this tweet today. i wonder does this affect the timetable for any u.s. attack. the fact the president has now said this today. would it look like he telegraphed it if they went tonight? >> absolutely. as usual, unfortunately, with the current administration, we get a divergence. a real cacophony of things. our allies in france who are considering similar kinds of operations. it makes it difficult for anybody to move forward coherently. i wish the president had followed his early version of events which is to zip the lip when you're getting ready for tactical operations. it's not smart to reveal those and the taunt the russians increases the potential of what
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we really want to avoid is a military confrontation between the united states and russia. that would be the worst outcome. >> where do you draw the line on that potential? you have the statement from the russian diplomat that says any missile that comes in, we're going to take care. what's the risk there. what's russia -- what would russia put up with? >> we don't know. what we ought to keep forefront in our military planning is avoiding collateral damage that includes russians. particularly russian civilians. we don't want to get into an es ka la toir pattern between the united states and russia. we want to have significant impact against syrian ability to deliver chemical weapons.
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that's proportional. it's direct. we can do that. it's going to take more than a few tomahawk missiles to get there. >> all right. thanks for joining us. we appreciate it. coming up, fired up. despite warnings from his own party, is president trump still thinking about getting rid of the special counsel? this is andrea mitchell reports. patrick woke up with a sore back. but he's got work to do. so he took aleve this morning. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. get all day minor arthritis pain relief with an easy-open cap.
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president trump is calling out special counsel robert mueller today on twitter. much of the bad blood with russia is caused by the fake and corrupt russia investigation headed up by the all democrat loyalists or people that worked for obama. mueller is most con fliflicted all. no collusion so they go crazy. this after the white house press secretary faced questions tuesday about whether the president can and will fire mueller. >> does he believe he has the power to fire special counsel robert mueller? >> he believes he has the power to do so. >> most legal experts he would
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have to order rod rosenstein to fire mueller and he could refuse. >> i know a number of individuals in the legal community and including at the department of justice that he has the power to do so. i don't have any further announcement. >> harry litman is a former u.s. attorney general during the clinton administration and joins me now. if the president decided, hey, i want to get rid of mueller. is there way for him to do it? >> there are a few possibilities, steve. none of these easy. all of them involve a political hit. his big impediment is there's a regulation in place that says only the attorney general can do it and only for cause. to get around it, he would have a couple of options. first as the question to sanders implied he could try to do it saturday night massacre style. order rosenstein to do it and he
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he would resign and go down the line. the second, i think this is what sanders meant. assert a very broad executive power to just do it and the short answer here is the supreme court has said that won't fly as long as the regulation is in place. his final option, i think, would be to try to rescind the regulation and then with that impediment removed go after mueller directly. rescinding the regulation is not a matter of just waving his arms. it's a little difficult. there could be process issues. slow walking by the department of justice but my sense at the end of the day is he probably could do it. of course, it would entail a big political hit. if that was all he wanted to know is the best legal way going directly after the regulation would be his best bet. >> if that were to happen but you're raising the memory of the
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saturday night massacre during the nixon days. it does become an issue if congress, if there were a political blow back to the president making any of the proves that you're describing there, that could be something that if congress decided if there was a will could be the basis for some kind of impeachment move. >> completely. that's been the big if for the last several months opinion is there any will in the republican congress to actually protest and push back. we haven't seen it to date. with that go over the line and actually motivate them in the way say republicans were motivated in watergate to finally say to nixon this has gone too far. that's the exact calculation he's talking about. it's ultimately going to be
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their call. that might be a bridge too far and that's what hesitate juggling. of course he wants to get rid of mueller. he's wanted to for months. the question is whether or not the republican congress would hold. are ryan's departure today and the general unsteady fortunes of the republicans maybe it looks a little more likely that there would be some push back. >> it sounds like the way you're describing things here is that if the president did decide to go down this road and we don't know if he's going to but if he decided to get rid of mueller rkts th then the consequences become more of a political question. >> i think that's right. the constitution provides a remedy for all this conduct but it's a political remedy. it's impeachment. the department of justice has opined and i think mueller will stick to this, that you can't indict a sitting president.
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i think at the end of the day, no matter what mueller finds, we'll be seeing a report referred to congress and i think trump's final kind of security blanket is that even if the house votes to impeach him, it will be very hard to get 67 votes, 15 or so republicans to remove him and just as you say, at the end of the day, this is going to be a political battle involving the congress and very likely not a legal battle involving the federal courts. >> all right. thank you for taking the time. we preesh it. >> thank you. coming up, strife of the party. house speaker paul ryan issues another blow to the gop announcing he won't run for re-election. how will it impact republican's chances of holding the house? aging power grids,
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ryan, steve scalise could be angling for the house job. joining me is michael steele. michael, we ask if scalise is angling to be speaker. if republicans were to lose the majority, there would be no speakership. you were in wave election year. over 60 seat gain in the house of representatives. you remember what the atmosphere was like when it was working for republicans in 2010. how do you compare that atmosphere to the one you're seeing now, the democrats are dealing with? >> it's a bit similar. the energy was different though because for republicans we didn't have the white house, the senate or the house at the time. you have this urgency. now you see that republicans are
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pretty much like the democrats were back in 2010. a little bit defensive. sort of false optimism about what's to come and what the landscape looks like for them. beneath the surface they know the truth. there is wave true broewing amog the electorate that will serve as a referendum on the first two years of this president. just as a referendum on the first two years of barack obama. he led off, against the advice of some in his own party, of health care and pushed it in way that it hurt the members. the similar situation is not about policy but personality and the public persona of a president who seems to love creating the kinds of controversies that you have. the house membership is having to deal with that on a number of fronts that makes it very challenging going into this
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november. >> there's a school of thought about these midterm elections that when you're the opposition party and you have a president at 40%, they are tough to screw up. it's the trump era. maybe the rules are different now. let me ask you from a stand point of a democrat, what's the biggest risk? what's the biggest fear a democrat should have between now and november so they wouldn't screw up an atmosphere like this? >> well a week in politics is a lifetime, first of all. it's a long time before the mid terms. a lot can go wrong. a lot can go right. events can overtake the landscape. i think chairman steele put it right from a republican stand point. from a democratic standpoint it's turn out. they have to get the turn out. that includes young people as well as their other base constituencies. they've got to do a much better job sharpening and deepening, strengthening their message. it can't just be against donald
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trump. i think they will have to have more than that to have the success that you're suggesting. >> michael, on the question of paul ryan, himself, we're talking about about 2010 there a minute ago. he was supposed to be the future of the party. he's still not even 50 years old now. the young guns. remember that's what they were culling him and some of his buddies there. 48 years old. he's leaving congress. is there a political future for paul ryan and for paul ryanism if you want to call it that. >> for paul ryan, yes. for paul ryanism, it's going to have to take a backseat to trumpism because with this stepping down by the speaker with the vacancies that are being created due to early retirements, and the like, donald trump has clearly secured the party. you don't retire when you have the majority. you don't retire when you think the prospect of someone on this program have come out and said,
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we look good going into november and we're going to look forward to holding the leadership going. you don't retire if that's your narrative. the narrative is quite honestly very different from that. paul ryan knows it. the leadership knows it. how paul ryan plays a role in shaping the next six or seven months for this party to try the save the house becomes important. i don't know if the incentive is really there at this point. >> another thing that struck me is that relationship between the speaker and the president. what we have seen with trump and ryan is different than when bill clinton was president with tom foley. very different now. >> there's not alignment here. not full alignment. you can just tell from a personality standpoint, a value stands point that speaker ryan has struggled with this relationship for understandable reasons. not to mention some of the
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challenges he's ahead within his own republican caucus to convene them and try to reach consensus on issues. i think to be fair too, there is a personal element here. i think speaker ryan spoke to that. in my judgment it's a personal and political element. i think it's both here. there's no question, there's no question this relationship with this president is pretty unprecedented one in many ways including the speaker. >> all right. thanks to both of you for joining us. coming up, social accountability. are lawmakers pressing facebook chief hard enough to make sure your personal data isn't compromised again? so we swapped your car out for the all-new chevy traverse. yes. do you think it's going to surprise your daughter? absolutely. wait, is mom here yet? where's mom? she's in this car. what the heck? whoa. yo, whose car is this?
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shoulders the blame in the cambridge analytica scandal. and joining us, covering facebook since at harvard with mark zuckerberg. interesting back story there. kara swisher, start with you. a lot of times i hear this after congressional committees. your take from what we saw, with zuckerberg, missed opportunity. >> absolutely. today is much better. the house is asking tough questions, doing a good job. a lot of grandstanding but effective grandstanding. talking clear talk. seem to know what they're talking about. a real change from yesterday, where the senate, it was like, mark was batted around by soft, cotton pillows. today was bitteetter. today's better. >> what were we hearing today we didn't yesterday? >> they're making larger points asking more specific questions about whammt happened with
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cambridge analytica, what happened with advertising. how he feels about privacy. trying to get commitments around diversity. all kinds of things. it's putting him through much tougher questions. there's not going to be anything gotten from this, giant revelations except he also has been targeted by bad actors, some of his data misused. other than that, nothing business and newsy. >> you mentioned mark zuckerberg's only person testimony coming up. let's play that exchange for folks. >> was your data included in the data sold to the accomplishous third parties? your personal data? >> yes. >> so jessica, you've known him from the very beginning. we see his picture but don't hear from mark zuckerberg much. what do you make about his performance in front of these committees. >> i think, as kara, held up
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well yesterday. the d.c. press said he out-witted lawmakers. folks in silicon valley are a little more skeptical about his performance. and interesting switch, but he's holding up well under questioning, but you know, to the point of to what end? i think the bigger problem here is there's still a huge trust gap between the tech platforms and lawmakers and i don't think any of today or yesterday is really going to change the big picture regulation that's eventually coming down the pike. >> that's the question, too. whether from these hearings or in general. i sensed a pretty big shift in attitudes towards facebook, social media, silicon valley in general. what's that translate into when it comes to regulation potentially? >> i don't know if it will be that strong. talking about if in the house a lot more and mentioned a number
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of different initiatives they're trying. a lot of them in the senate kept asking how would he like to be regulatesed? i found distasteful. a part of it, but getting his opinions is not something to say publicly at least. probably very light regulation. the tech escaped most regulation for many years now, and they use -- not the excuse. they need to be innovative and can't be regulated, but there will be some regulation around privacy. i'm not so sure about anything else. but they'll hire nor lobbyists and fight it, and we'll see where it goes from there. >> jessica, do you share that skepticism cara has about the reg regulation? if so, is the question about individual, users, people, if their relationship changes at all with companies like facebook? >> i think that is a good way to put it, and di think regulation will take a long time and probably be light. i'm interested what the hearings
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illustrate about what facebook's own intentions and goals are. the company is talking a lot about content moderation, about ai, policing content. they're doing it, because they're facing incredible pressure to, but i think there's a lot of questions around sort of the ecosystem for ideas on facebook. zuckerberg talked today about thinking that the valley is very liberal and that they need to make sure their conservative views are heard. yeah, not only getting insights what d.c. might do, also how the tech companies are going to respond, and i think it's going to be on a very heavy hand when it comes to content. >> cara what do you think? a few years from now, talking about facebook, i'm thinking back, what, about five, six years ago. a big hollywood movie about facebook, a great success story. everybody in the country, in the world, is on it. is this -- is that trajectory going to continue or will we be talking about a very different company in a few years? what will get facebook in the
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end, other innovative companies. not congress or anybody else. interesting, i'm curious to see if in a couple years another "i'm sorry" tour from mark zuckerberg. a congresswoman listing all the "i'm sorries" since the early times. so we'll see if he's still sorry about something else in a couple years. i don't see much impact here. >> thanks to both of you. more ahead. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.
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