>> welcome to politics nation. with all eyes this week on the attacks in syria and the ever evolving russia investigation i was honored to sit with joe biden for an exclusive interview. i wanted to hear his thoughts on civil lighrights in america and

whether or not he would run for president in 2020. with news coming out of the middle east i cannasked him abo the comp licated situation in syria. no one knows foreign affairs better than you. for you and president obama to be blamed, how do you react to that and what would you want to see done in syria many. >> two things. we were able to internationalize the operation. we are able to make sure we have over 60 nations. we still are in control of with wa allies about one quarter of that country. instead of making sure we

strengthen the turker position we are not goidoing things in m view. we end up in a situation if you doemt rebuild the city isis too will come back. it is a commitment to rebuild the cities, infrastructure so they could refunction. that's the root. that's the answer.

the idea that you're going to be able to go in there with large amounts of troops and take down assad is not a war we want to be engaged in. it is much more complicated than that. this biggest thing we should be doing is that we keep these commitments and rebuilding those that have been liberated so they don't once again fall into the chaos. >> let me ask you about voting rights. that was another thing the obama biden administration was under attorney general eric holder as well as lynch going in with lawsuits against voter id and

doing in to deal with voter suppression. they have said that foreigners are voting. >> it's a lie. >> it's a flat lie. the assertion the president made is a flat lie. every study. every program -- it's simply not true. it's part of a big lie. you realize just in past year in 24 states the administrations allies have introduced 60 pieces of legislation or maybe 70 pieces of legislation to curtail the franchise. it's what they are all about. they don't want black folks voting. look what we are doing now. there's a movement. you have george will making the argument that felons should have their -- after serving their

time the right restored to vote. we want them to tengage in society again. what's the most significant thing you can do to engage? get in and vote. these guys, you're talking about 1 ppt 5 million people who have served their time what are unable to vote. of those there are 30% or more that are african american. it is -- we should have like other countries have, automatic registration. you turn 18 you go to any government agency, department of motor vehicle, get your social security number clarified and you are automatically registered to vote in your district. we should be seeking people to engage. that's the one thing that keeps people focused on what's going on in their country. it's totally crazy.

>> do you feel that the turnout would be effected by these different -- >> absolutely. sure it effects it. here you have states going in and you didn't vote the last time they are taken off the roles. it is a heck of a lot harder for african american or that white woman who lives in a lower middle class neighborhood who did you want have an automobile, who is 68 years old to go get an id card. come on, man. it is all about keeping ordinary americans from being able to vote. guess what in they don't vote for tax cuts for the wealthy. they don't vote for some of these crazy dothings that are o there. they do vote and they vote their interest.

one of the things that really off fe offends me is there are so many that think the working class people aren't smart. i always kid -- and it's not really a joke. if there was an amendment passed introduced here in philadelphia saying people without a college degree can want vote you would have 70% of republicans voting for that. >> yes. i'm laughing but it's not funny. let me say this then. you have always been passionate about that. do you have always brought that guy that was ignored and marginized. people are saying why don't you run? what would make joe biden really

consider running for president? >> i'm really hoping some other folks step up. i have to be able to look in the mirror and not walk away because oil worried about losing or because i don't want to take on the responsibility. i have to walk away knowing there's somebody that can do it and we have got to wip. for me it's selfish. it's about putting my family back together. i lost my son, beau. i have been through this before. i got a phone call after i got elected saying my wife and

daughter had just been killed. my sons might not liver. we were able to rebuild that. my son hunter was beau's,er breath beau expelled hunter took in. i have to make sure that's all in place and everybody is in on -- look, unless you have my whole heart, my whole soul, all of my passion. all of my attention. i have to make that decision by the end of this year. >> but you're not ruling me out. >> no. if the lord came down and said the nomination is yours. you have to accept it now. i would not. there's too much more.

>> wow b-- but you would say lord, check with me -- >> that's exactly right. >> you and i both know if donald trump gets by the mueller investigation, joe biden against donald trump is raemeally aboute soul of america. >> i would say we a fundamentally different. >> i'll have more with vice president biden in just a moment. i'll ask him about the legacy left behind by president obama and by dr. martin luther king jr. i'll ask chris matthews for his take on civil rights in america

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>> it has brought this country together even this kind of tweet from president trump but as this country remembers the man and

his legacy it is also thinking about another leader who never filled his potential and that's robert f. kennedy. a revealing new portrait, a raging spirit, gets closer to the man than any book i have seen before. joining me chris matthews. thanks for joining us. >> syria. you had an interesting take on friday. >> when we are in combat out there risking their lives oil

careful about politics. trump is really good at one thing, diversion. it is almost like an entertainer. he will shift from one thing to another. something going bad for comey. we all said it would be comey's week. he will own monday through friday coming up. he is not owning it right now. trump has a little of the action again. this thing with martin luther king, come on, he covers his bases. he was onto other side. it was like what i liked about him is he was a celebrity. >> which reduces away. >> yeah. trump showed his colors with the birtherism thing.

he was lying. there was no evidence that barack obama was born in africa. this white woman from kansas has a relationship with a guy in kenya. she goes over there to have the kid, it's a whacky argument. >> you mentioned him in syria moments ago he tweeted. why did he lie to congress, why did the dnc refuse to give server to the fbi . i mean he is piling on. >> yeah. but we know that just from human

experience that that sort of mob conversation, we know that happened. that is trump to a tee. he was trying to make everyone a loyalist. >> i mean when theoretically -- >> you know it all. how did libby get in trouble? he calls him up. he said this has been too tough on me. in that conversation he says tim told him about the identity as

an under cover agent. so pardoning this kind of behavior, is he sending a message that he brought aboard, that's scary. is he sending a signal -- >> and you heard it here. >> it's all part of the record but he is sending a message. he is saying keep quiet. you can still be a lawyer. i can pardon you. i can completely clean up your act. whatever you did wrong for me i will cover for you. >> he could get state charges.

you have mueller coming out with everything he did and the other guy saying i can pardon you. i think mueller is winning it though. >> robert kennedy, he was during the height of the civil rights movement. bobby kennedy was a very critical figure. your book is more revealing than anything i read about it. >> he wasn't a capital l liberal. so dr. king gets arrested and

thrown into some backwoods jail. you're all bomb throwers why are you doing this? he said this judge put him in jail for the traffic violation. same thing. he thought the freedom riders were going to do nothing but make us look bad. his top aid had his head bashed in. john lewis said bobby is learning. bob bobby has some skin in the game. all of these i wapeople that th room and they give him hell. this young kid who had been a

veteran of the civil rights movement b movement bashes kennedy's head in. bobby is saying why are you treating me like this? i'm the guy that bailed all of the kids out in birmingham. can't you give me credit? no. you have to learn. bobby is in the room with jack and said you got to go on the air to get that unforgettable speech. we have got to have civil rights many this country. >> he did this because he was beat up on and then he went and pushed his brother. >> we learn through pain. you know, you have been through it. you learn through being bashed in. you go witait a minute.

that guy is right. he went in. it's a dramatic scene. i actually see bobby. there's bobby saying to his brother you have to give this speech. i have this speech ready. we can do this. he says i don't know if we can do this. very iconic guy. jack knew the magic. he would be the perfect wife. we knew we put a man on the moon. he was so iconic. bobby was soul. he was a soulful guy. he wupt a natural liberal. he wupt some west side. biden has a good soul.

>> you think biden runs? >> he would be a very good president. i don't know if he will in this environment. they are looking for the hottest new progressive. i think elizabeth warren. biden is sort of a regular democrat. he is not a hyphenated democrat. elizabeth warren can double down and get through south carolina and then get to the early california vote. i think that early california vote is a powerful ace in the hole. >> yes. >> and i think we have seen this

may be the year that the mayor comes forth that we start to pay attention to these. >> yes. >> very impressive guy. but women, i don't think the democratic party can have a ticket. i don't think it's possible to get away with it. they have to balance the ticket like in the old days. >> i know you're right. i'm glad i said it. a reminder just three days from now and chris matthews will be there with his books. the country marks the 50th anniversary. as the community refocuses its efforts to stand against president trump's civil rights. among the speakers will be

senators elizabeth warren, bern bernie sanders and some of my msnbc colleagues. go register. it's all free. up next. for one it's lights off. for the other lights up. two republican speakers of the house, two different paths. i'll explain when we come back.

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>> i sat down with joe biden earlier this week for an exclusive interview and the vp that served alongside the first black kmacommander in chief. watch it chip away at the obama legacy and social progress embodied by martin luther king j rfrmt and robert kennedy, both slain 50 years ago this spring. >> you know dr. king was killed 50 years ago. you have been in public light and had a unique experience how

do you see the profresz in the 50 years since he has been gone? they both died the same year and months apart. as a kid i got involved in the civil rights movement. i was a life guard. i learned more in the community than i ever learned. i remember him saying you have a jerry can. i said jerry can? they said we need an extra gas can because we can want stop at gas stations. i remember where i was and my city ended up being the only

city in network okay bied by the national guard. i had a job with a white shoe law firm. i became a public defender. i never intended on being involved in politics. >> you got involved being a public defender? >> that's right. i saw what was happening with the guys i grew up with, the community i spent my time with. only city until civil war. everybody thought i was nutting. i quit and became a public

defender. i was standing at a train station waiting for a black man to come from philadelphia to pick me up to take me down to washington to be sworn in as vice president of the united states with nothousands of delawareans. i thought wow, when i stood her 40 years ago i never thought this day would come. what i didn't expect, dr. king turned the fight into economic equality as well. here we are, you and i, did you ever think you would see the day people coming out of fields with white supremacists next to them and a president of the united states comparing the people opposing them with these people? what has happened? i really mean it. i think we are back in a fight

for the soul of the country. >> dr. king said we are fighting for the soul of america. >> i think we are there. i really do. >> you were the vice president for the first black president. you and he dealt with thing like police brutality. i was there. the commission you formed, body cameras. you kplutcommuted more, your administration. all of that is gone. >> that turned it all around. the department of housing has taken out the line of nondiscriminationment th nondiscrimination. they have taken it out. the fair housing act was so important because we know if you live in a community where it's i

want -- integrated. it means you have a better shot at education. it means you have a better shot at owning a home. this has all been turned around. here is the thing, this phony populism, the reason that why high school educated guy lost his job is because of that black guy. they have taken the things that have lifted the white and black and hispanic working people and they are now used it as a tool to justify this abuseover pow o they are engaged in. what did disappoint me is in '79 you had an african american

woman made 93 crepts on every dollar a woman made now it's 82. there has been a retro grade. ip stead of topping up to the plate -- and there's answers, man. there's answers. >> yes. >> you take 20 million people out of poverty. something nobody knows, do you realize how many people have noncompe noncompete clauses? people are forced to sign saying i will not compete. i can want compete for a higher wage. a guy digging a ditch in texas making 10 bucks an hour has to move 350 miles away to have a similar job with a higher pay. this is outrageous the stuff that's going on. >>. >> my thanks to joe biden for hosting us for interview.

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most of them want them and can't find them or keep them. it is built on this false welfare queen imaging. >> light. good morning. this is one of those myths they continue to perpetrate on the american people. we have a situation in kentucky. the governor is just beginning to impose work requirements on medicare beneficiaries. as we work through this system we find that virtually every is working. everyone is able-bodied can work and is working. unfortunately they just can't make enough to afford their insurance. we have seen that. this really is one of those solutions in search of a problem. >> and i might add that they try

to put a minority or a black face on it. majority of people that get welfare or food stamps in this country are wihite. many of them supported donald trump. >> 85% are white. we have the lowest utilization of food stamps of any of the congressional districts in kentucky. your point is very well made. it is not a minority issue at all. the people who feel they have been left behind feeling they voted for trump. >> while i have you i have to ask about the keep tuck ki teachers. your governor, he says children

were left vulnerable and drugs as a result of public school closures throughout the state on friday to allow teachers and supporters to protest at the state capital. this is the go nofr. i guarantee you somewhere in ken it can kentucky a child was sexually assaulted because they were left alone. >> even republicans had to denounce what he said. if you listen to the whole thing he said that kids would be introduced to drugs, physically abused, they would be raped. we have our own version of donald trump in kentucky. we have an unhinged governor. >> and the teachers for people around the country who probably already know, they were trying

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pfrmg >> as i move tarpd country i'm always asked the same question, why are y'all still marching? why are y'all still rallying? why are all of these people coming to hear from the senators and congress people and civil rights leaders and artists? the reason is there are problems that still must be dealt with

and solved. they won't go away unless they are exposed with and dealt with. just this week two young black men sitting in a starbucks in philadelphia waiting on a business meeting were arrested because the person that works there called the police and said that they were trespassing. not only should starbucks deal with training, what are the police doing when they are arrested these two men for no probably cause, no crime? thank goodness they said they are not charging them. why were they arrested mr. police commissioner? that is a die or two a young 14-year-old kid going to school in michigan overslept, missed the school bus, stopped to get directions and a guy shot at him.

tha thank goodness that guy has been prosecuted. these two ins deins incidents i last 72 hours show you why we do what we do. not to mention what is going on in terms of the data that vice president biden gave us today on how we are going down in wages in the race gap, not to mention we have a president that can equate with those protesting white supremiacist and confederate statues. we are obligated to do it because to be sigh lealent is t

consent to what's going on. it is to fulfill the promise of founding fathers whether they knew they were talking about all of us or not. they said it and we are going to make it happen and we are going to keep fighting until it's a reality. that does it for me. thap tha thanks for watching. like us on facebook and follow us on twitter at politics nation. i'll see you back here next sunday. now my colleague. >> thank you very much. we'll keep marching on here. thank you. i'm david gura. it is 9:00 a.m. in the east and 6:00 a.m. out west and here is what's happening. sunday morning tweets storm president trump with attacks on james comey before the highly anticipated tv interview airs.

>> i'll ask about the president declaring mission accomplished. >> i am constantly amazing with each passing day of the lack of intelligence that has been demonstrated by this man. >> michael cohen faces a judge tomorrow and the attorney for stormy daniels will be there and so will the porn star herself. we'll have some answers next. we begin with a live picture of the white house where president trump is airing new grievances calling the director of the fbi a slime ball. the president's tweets come on the heels of a new clip