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we are live from washington every sunday from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight it turns out the most consequential thing released from james comey this week was probably not his book. plus, climate change and the president's legal team. the outlook is cloudy for michael cohen. the attorney general and rod rosenstein. and later, we are witnessing a genuine thaw in relations with north korea or are we witnessing the art of the deal as written by kim jong-un? bill richardson joins me live to
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talk about the hermit kingdom. but first we start with two images. the first an actual photograph of four presidents and their wives. the photograph was taken by paul morris at the funeral for barbara bush. in the center you can see george h.w. bush, behind him his son george, his wife laura, his arm around the clintons. on the edge melania trump and michelle obama arm in arm. the other image, you're going to have to conjure for yourself. the sitting president, donald trump at mar-a-lago, tweeting 29 times since friday about michael cohen, james comey, michael flynn, the special counsel, about a form aide that he calls drunk and drugged up loser. and what he calls a third-rate reporter named maggie haberman. he insists that she is someone who i don't speak to and have nothing to do with, but there they are in the oval office.
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she has interviewed him multiple times. to talk more about all of this, i want to welcome in my panel. the co-founder of foundry strategies and msnbc political analyst rick tyler. pulitzer prize winning white house reporter for the washington post and msnbc contributor my friend ashley parker. nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian and white house correspondent for pbs news hour and msnbc contributor yamiche alsindor. this is the first time i've seen you on the air since you won your pulitzer last week. congratulations to you and all of your colleagues. >> thank you. >> at the washington post. but we've talked a lot about this theme that the president is isolated and increasingly as time has worn on he seems to be more and more isolated. i think it certainly set into sharp relief for me the difference between that photograph where he was obviously excluded and what has gone on over the course of the weekend. do you think this is the most isolated time yet for this president? >> yes and no. i mean, if you look at his west wing and his white house,
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there's been stunning turnover, and not just across the board. but some of these people who are really sort of comforts to him, hope hicks, his trusted communications advisor, keith shiller, his long-time body guard who played a key role there, a number of people who he really knew and was familiar with and liked. that said, he still does what he's always done, he's always had a kind of small group of people around him and he still stays in touch with them late at night on the phone, when he's down at mar-a-lago. >> john kelly, his operator. >> he's surrounded by people, might not be the chief of staff wants him to be around but he's not purely isolated. >> ken dilanian, what potential damage has the president done with these tweets that have been sort of aimed across the board? ink chuck todd was talking this morning on "meet the press" how it feels like the focus is russia, russia, russia. the weight of this investigation sort of pressing down more on the president and the country as a whole. >> you mean aside from damage to
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our national fabric, kasie? it makes him look guilty at the end of the day. the way he is continuing to attack anyone that he feels can hurt him in the russia investigation, anybody that seems to be a witness. although interestingly he hasn't attacked michael cohen yet because he believes his lawyer and long-time confidant may be on the fence and there may be a chance he can flip and there is a chance he might not flip. donald trump has words of support for him this week. >> yamiche, weigh in on this question. what was your take? we watched and talked, going to talk more about barbara bush later on in the show. sort of the dignity and grace that she showed on the national stage and the contrast with, you know, the events of the last year. >> i think there are two things. the first is there is this kind of stunning moment where president trump said people keep saying i'm going to fire robert mueller, i'm going to fire rod rosenstein and then rod rosenstein, but they still are here. they're still people that are working and i haven't fired them. it felt like for a couple
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moments there, i would say -- i won't venture to say a whole day -- people thought oh, these people are going to have their jobs, they're not going to go anywhere. he talks about james comey setting off the investigation of the special counsel, it's built off an illegal act. what does that mean? it started to he will like, okay, is he building a case or dropping crumbs for why he's going to fire these two men and why he's going to try to stop this investigation? there is that one thing. during a funeral while everyone is watching the bushes, while everyone is kind of reminiscing on what the quorum is like and how beautiful the casket, i think the nation as a whole was kind of pausing to think about all of those things. you had donald trump go on a rant of all rants that really showed that the republican party is in completely different hands now. this is not the bushes. as much as people might have made fun of george bush and he had his on issues with katrina and the war on iraq, people thought he was someone who didn't have any decorum, was tearing away at the national fabric.
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>> i think you're right, there has been some george w. bush nostalgia that has people papering over some of the things we remember of his presidency at the time. rick tyler, what's your point? i think yamiche's point is a good one. perhaps it is those people in the photograph who are going to be the ones that are permanently outside the frame. >> many of those people ran against each other, but they were still able to appear in the same room at the same time. they hadn't diminished or demeaned themselves to the point where it just would be embarrassing. now, the white house a little bit of cover saying the secret service would have created disruption on the funeral and it would have. but i think trump's presence there would have created a much larger disruption. and i do think the bushes who i have disagreed with many, many times, but it's hard to argue that they aren't honorable people. i remember visiting the bush library, which you can argue is a propaganda place, but --
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>> perhaps any presidential library presents the best history possible. >> i read a letter by george h.w. bush to his boys during watergate and he was concerned about the way his boys would perceive watergate. and it was a father instructing his younger sons and it was about character and honor and dignity, and we're lacking that in this white house right now. >> so, speaking of those tweets, in a series of other tweets throughout the weekend, the president is questioning the legality of the special counsel, claiming that james comey illegally leaked classified documents. he also slighted his own attorney general, quote, gop lawmakers asking sessions to investigate comey and hillary clinton. good luck with that request! meanwhile, the washington post reports, jeff sessions warned the white house he might have to leave his job if president trump fired his deputy, rod rosenstein. on the call reportedly to don mcgahn last weekend, sessions expressed the difficult position it would put him in. the call came after rosenstein approved the raid on cohen's
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offices and home. ken dilanian, what are the ramifications of these potential dominos if sessions does think if rosenstein goes i have to resign, too? i do not think the congress would approve 509 attorney general in the first place. but that aside, i mean, it seems like that would, in fact, spark the crisis based on this reporting. >> absolutely. they certainly wouldn't approve an attorney general without that person promising to continue the
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mueller investigation as it's happening. so, leaving that aside, i mean, actually one of the implications of this sessions threatening to resign, is that a motivating factor for donald trump to make this happen? but look, that would absolutely cause a crisis in congress and in the executive branch. donald trump could put acting people in who could potentially remove robert mueller, but as james comey said many times this week, you would have to fire the entire justice department and the entire fbi to make this investigation go away. the documents, the findings, those would simply go -- if mueller was removed, they would go to u.s. attorney's offices,
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the fbi would still have them. they don't go away. the investigation doesn't close. >> ashley, the rumor mill on rod rosenstein seems to ebb and flow, if it's the tides, i don't know what it is, every few days or a week we seem to get a new round of the president is about to do this, another report he thought about firing mueller at such and such additional time. where does that stand right now? how secure is rod rosenstein? >> first understand we have to put it in context. the president often sort of floats ideas and bounces things off of aides and friends and says, you know, i'm so fed up with him. i think i should fire him. what do you think? do you think i should fire him? and that doesn't -- >> what do you think? >> that doesn't mean it's necessarily going to happen. and as yamiche mentioned earlier he said in the press conference, look, people have been writing these stories four or five months and these two men are still here, aren't they? and that's true, and there is sort of an adage people say, pay attention to what the president says, not what he does. although sometimes he does do the thing he's saying, such as firing james comey. so, it's tenuous. >> right. you bring up comey as well. i want to play a sound bite that we have from susan collins on "meet the press" this morning because it seems to me that in some ways comey did some damage to himself over the course of the last week. take a look. >> i cannot imagine why an fbi director would seek to essentially cash in on a book when the investigation is very much alive. he should have waited to do his memoir. >> i think this is an interesting assessment from a senator who is, by all accounts, you know, carries some antipathy towards donald trump. she raises the question -- we talked about this initially -- that does this potentially -- and ken dilanian, i'm interested to know your opinion on the impact of the investigation. politically, rick tyler, do you think that james comey did himself well over the course of the last week? is he -- did he survive politically as the stand-up courageous guy he set out to paint a portrait of himself in
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this book? >> i think it's kind of a break even. we have to remember something. james comey was fired. they took away a man's career. a prosecutor that went all the way back to when he worked for rudy giuliani and before that. they took away his career. they also besmirched him publicly. he had a right to make his case. it couldn't be done in sound bites. i read his book. i disagree with some of the things he's done and said. >> did he make a mistake -- he thinks he made a mistake writing about the size of the president's hands and his hair and other things. >> i'm sure the publisher had more to do with that than james comey did. >> he certainly did take us inside the room. >> i think the book is interesting. it does give justification of why he did a separate press conference from the justice department about reopening the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails, which i profoundly disagree with. but he has a rationale for that
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and people can decide on their own. but i think on balance, he probably broke even. >> ken, is it your opinion he helped bob mueller or not? >> i think there is the potential. in terms of the impact of the investigation, if mueller didn't want this to happen, really put his foot down, it wouldn't have happened. it's not that these words are going to interfere with the investigation, but the damage that he may have done to his credibility, as you say, going to the size of donald trump's hands and the color of his skin and just appearing to be cashing in, i agree with everything rick said. susan collins is raising a fair question. to the extent he is a crucial witness in any obstruction of justice case to be made against
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donald trump, i think this could do some damage, yeah. >> and, yamiche, with the memos coming out after the book was released, the memos do seem to add credibility to whatever may have been taken away from him from his references that some people interpreted as maybe below the belt takes. the memos were coming out and democrats were clamoring for them. it bolstered his case and damaged his credibility. >> it was such a partisan response to the memos. you had republicans jumping and running, it shows this is not obstruction of justice. nancy pelosi tweeting donald trump has a contempt for the rule of law. as a reporter, i saw, not only did we know about the details of the memo. there was a part where james comey said he would give him honest loyalty. he called me back a couple months later, couple weeks later. you remember that thing about woods i told but? basically, i remember that. it showed he was trying to hold onto his job. he's thinking of his career, ten years down the line i want this to be a whole thing i can close and i can serve. in reality i think if he's looking back, he's probably i think doesn't feel as great at the idea that he had that loyalty hanging over his head because the memos don't paint him as someone saying, donald trump, you cannot say that. that is completely unethical. that's not there. i don't know it helped his credibility. >> ashley, what's your take, do
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you think the memos bolstered comey's stature across the board or is yamiche right? >> i don't know. that's a good question. my understanding, i'm not a legal expert, those memos written extemporaneously can be used as something happened and they would be very valuable to robert mueller and his team of investigators. the memos do bolster his account of what did happen. he's sort of been very consistent in that, what leaked out in the news reports, what we then saw. but as yamiche said, i do think everything is sort of at this point seen through a partisan lens. people will pick and choose what they want to take from that.
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>> it also came out in response to the republican investigators who want these hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of documents that rosenstein has no hope of fulfilling, which will set up a pretext of why he needs to be fired. there is talk of republicans trying to impeach him. he says, okay, i'll send over the comey memos. he does. what happens? within one hour they are leaked. i mean, these supposedly illegal classified memos and now everybody gets to read them. they're a whole lot of nothing really. so what do you think the fbi -- what do you think is going to happen when the fbi sends over a million documents, many of which are classified? they're going to leak. >> that's what capitol hill is best at sometimes. the president tweeted 29 times since friday. it can be hard to keep up so we here at "kasie d.c." distilled them to under 20 seconds for you and, oh, we put them in the president's own words. almost. >> nancy pelosi called numbers >> maggie haberman. stallone. drunk, drugged up. loser.
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former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and two other former federal prosecutors join president trump's legal team this week. of course, in the case of giuliani, the president is adding someone who served as one of his most reliable lieutenants during the 2016 campaign. >> i am sick and tired of the defamation of donald trump by the media and by the clinton campaign. i am sick and tired of it. this is a good man. this is a man with a big heart who loves people, all people. from the top to the bottom, from the middle to the side. >> oh, boy, did you miss him? and after the president's victory in november there was a
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flood of speculation about giuliani joining the incoming trump administration. much of it fueled by giuliani himself. >> he offered me two very high positions in government which i turned doubt r down because i didn't want to do it. >> which ones? >> i don't like to mention because the other person becomes the second choice, but they were two very high positions in government. >> was one secretary of state? >> it was not. two very high positions, cabinet-level positions. >> when the dust settled, giuliani was on the outside looking in. now "the new york times" reports the president has repeatedly offered giuliani the job of attorney general during the transition, but that he turned it down because he wanted to be secretary of state. the times also reports that some close to the president now believe he could try to replace jeff sessions with giuliani in the coming months. ashley parker, put in context. what does it mean that giuliani is now on the legal team? >> that -- it's a great
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question. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. part of our reporting and part of our understanding is that the president has been incredibly frustrated, seeing all these reports in the news about how his team has tried to hire sort of top notch white collar criminal defense attorneys, people to join his team and they've all said no. so the president grew frustrated. he became involved in the hiring process himself. he often likes people who look the part, sort of celebrities. giuliani fills all of those roles for him. he can be an attack dog. he's a great television surrogate. he's a big name. what is more clear, the key question is how good is he in the actual role that he's been hired for, which is going in and talking to bob mueller and helping bring a close to this investigation soon. >> right. ken? >> this is a really important point because if i was under federal criminal investigation,
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i would want a guy like abby lowell representing jared kushner who has gotten people acquitted and made deals. >> that seems to be the most important goal here, acquittal. >> rudy giuliani for all his tal enlts, that's not what he does. he has n't practiced this kind of law for years and the president has not been able to secure the services of somebody with a great reputation in this field and i think it's going hurt him down the line because the mueller team are a bunch of killers. they are not fooling around. they are some of the best prosecutors in the country and you need somebody of equal status to deal with them. >> ted olson, somebody they tried to get to join the team absolutely wouldn't do it. yamiche, it falls under the category of larry kudlow joining as economic advisor. he does, to ashley's point, likes people he sees on tv. >> he does like people he sees tv. i imagine he likes what he's going to get from rudy giuliani when it comes to the tv portion of his job. somebody who is loutd, loud, critical of robert mueller, someone who will not be hard to find when reporters are trying to get quotes. but in terms of what he's going to do legally for him, i'm with ashley. i have no idea what the qualifications are -- if he can fill those qualifications in the way that the president needs him to because at pbs we've had the same reporting everyone else has, which is that we've talked to lawyers who have turned down the president, which is a remarkable thing to say. i think a pretty remarkable, like everybody else can tune in. you're the president, you can't get a lawyer, that's kind of remarkable to me. >> yeah, let's talk a little
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about the president's other lawyer perhaps, maybe the important piece of all this right now, michael cohen. and, rick tyler, there seems to be increasing concern, although we did point out the president has kind of held his fire around michael cohen the past couple days hoping he can convince him not to flip. >> there are a lot of lawyers who want to work for michael cohen, though. [ laughter ] >> rudy giuliani may have been first choice for two cabinet secretaries.
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he's 15th choice for the president's defense team. i'm sorry, what was your question? [ laughter ] >> michael cohen who apparently is -- people do want to represent him, in your view. it seems like the president is really extraordinarily focused on whether cohen is going to decide to cooperate with bob mueller. not with bob mueller directly, but the southern district of new york. >> if the president hasn't done anything wrong he has nothing to worry about. if he has done something wrong, he should worry a great deal about michael cohen. michael cohen always professes loyalty. i want to mention something about loyalty we don't often talk about in the city. it's a one-way street. in general most politicians don't have loyalty to the people who have been loyalty to them. after the politician cuts their ties, that loyalty will wear thin. if michael cohen is in any legal jeopardy and his freedom can be taken away, i don't think there is any doubt in my mind that he would cut a deal. >> the other thing is there's no loyalty when you're facing ten years in prison. if you don't believe that, ask sammy who flipped on the gotty family. that was the a case mueller was
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involved in. >> and james comey. >> he said he would take a bullet for the president. stormy daniels's president said it's one thing before the bullet. >> and president trump hasn't treated him so well the last couple years. >> maggie haberman won a pulitzer prize, they aren't unnamed sources. michael cohen was treated terribly, he was treated like garbage. i'm sure the president is thinking back, man, this is someone i've kind of not been super nice to and he could have a lot of leverage on me. >> all right. there he is, the man himself who you may have seen a tweet up on the screen a minute ago. he said, when asked on the street whether or not -- how things were going, he said, well, it's a lot. just ahead, no secretary of state, no problem. we'll talk about how the trump administration managed to get pyongyang to put nuclear tests on the table. bill richardson joins me live next. don't forget to catch headliners. michael flynn, msnbc's chris mathews hosts this special hour
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ahead of president trump's highly anticipated meeting with kim jong-un, new reporting out tonight from the "wall street journal" suggests the white house won't lift sanctions until north korea has made progress dismantling its nuclear program. the north korean leader announced friday that his regime has suspended all nuclear and long range missile tests. kim also announced he'll shutdown a nuclear test site on the northern part of the country saying, quote, it it's done its job. he stopped short of saying it will dismantle it. president trump insisting north korea has, quote, agreed to denuclearization. to discuss all of this i want to welcome in former u.s. ambassador to the united nations bill richardson. thank you for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you very much, kasie. >> i want to start by asking you
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as someone who has dealt with the north koreans in the past, is there some reason to trust they're going to do what they say they're going to do in this case? >> this is how the north koreans negotiate. they throw out trial balloons. they throw out favorable press of what they're going to do. and then sometimes, most of the time they don't do it. this is how they kind of posture themselves. but what i think is important, this is positive. the fact that they're saying they're not dismantling their nuclear weapons. they might freeze missiles, nuclear activity, conventional weapons, they're going to shut down their reactor. i think it's important that we have a strategy. and the president shouldn't take the bait of responding, also his spokesman gloating the reason
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the north koreans are doing this is because they've been pressured. just steady, get a plan, strategize. it's going to -- they're not going to denuclearize, especially in the first meeting. probably it's going to take years if they ever do. >> were you encouraged to learn that mike pompeo had met secretly with kim jong-un, as you point out, if it is the case they're not going to denuclearize starting with this first meeting? does the president walking into that room essentially mean that we've reached the limit of what we're able to do diplomatically? that's usually the last step in this process. >> yes, i mean, this is an unusual process from the top to the bottom. and i supported the president when he took this gamble and risk and agreed to the meeting. now, i was encouraged by pompeo going to north korea. they talked about probably not full substance, but they talked about probably where the summit will be held, when logistical issues that are very important.
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the fact that kim jong-un is involved himself in the negotiations. it's good he doesn't have a nuclear negotiator. the fact that he received somebody lower rank, secretary of state designate i think was good. so, i think things are moving in the right direction. i just worry that the white house, one, is impatient, has no strategy. the president has to respond to every little news item. he should just let pompeo develop a strategy and stop tweeting every -- every day about something kim jong-un does. the north koreans do this. they're good at it. but in the end i think it's going two individuals sitting together and trying to make it a deal and that's what's key, that's good. i'm going to give him credit for
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this summit. i think it's the right thing to do. >> what do you know about kim jong-un as a person? the man who is going to be sitting across from president trump that you think will help people understand what the president is facing. what does the president need to know about his personality? >> well, first that kim jong-un -- i've never met him. but i've known a lot of officials there. but he is not like his father. he's not like a rug merchant, deal maker. okay, we do this, this is a bargaining chip. i think this man has been underestimated. i think he's had a plan all along. i think he's a rational actor. i think he wants to eventually maybe make a deal on nuclear weapons so that he can improve his economy, which is shattered, which is in very bad shape. so, i don't think we should under estimate him. what the president should do more than anything is have a plan. not be impulsive, not shoot from the hip. just have some very clear objectives and goals and then have a plan b because the worst thing that can happen if 24 summit is a disaster and then we're going to go back, not just the status quo, but to something worse, which we all don't want. >> that is exactly what i was going to ask you to wrap up here. what do you -- in your view -- is a realistic worst case scenario if this goes wrong for the u.s.? >> well, there's no agreement on
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anything that is missile or nuclear related. i suspect, and there will be an agreement on getting the three americans out, hopefully remains of some of our soldiers, some human rights initiatives between north and south. i think what's very important, kasie, is the south korean, north korean summit that is going to take place very soon. we'll more or less what north korea is willing to do through the summit with south korea. although kim jong-un may have a plan b after the south korean summit. you know, they're all over the place. this is why we should not react to their every move. but so far their every move has been positive. so, you know, take some credit, but don't gloat like the white house is doing. oh, it's because we pressured him and we're great negotiators. that's not the way to negotiate with north korea. >> bill richardson, thank you so much for your time and your insights tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, kasie.
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thank you. >> still to come, new polling shows a growing gap for republicans and a key voting block. we'll explain. and later. >> michael flynn, general flynn, is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. it's very, very unfair what's happened to general flynn the way he's been treated and the documents and papers that were illegally -- i stress that, illegally leaked, very, very unfair. >> michael flynn tries to make a comeback. will the president have his back when he does? "kasie d.c." back in just a moment. vo: gopi has built her business with her own two hands.
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welcome back to "kasie d.c." joining me on set is john, director of polling at harvard university's school of politics. he's here with new numbers in the school's survey of millennials. sir, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> i'm a bigad meyerer of the work you all are doing. we had a little of this conversation on morning joe earlier in the week. your numbers revealed some remarkable things about the institutions that millennials trust and don't trust, which is to say it seems like government and old school media is out, and amazon is in. >> in a word, yes. but i think it speaks to something much bigger than that, kasie. for example, two-thirds of millennials now including post millennials in the survey as
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well, survey of 18 to 29-year-olds have more fear and hope of the state of american democracy. and the organizations in the institutions on the bottom part of that list very much are the reasons in which they have that fear. congress, the federal government, the president, and the media. >> yes, congress does not fare particularly well, 17% say they trust the congress. you also ran some numbers on the fbi and the d.o.j., 42% saying think trust the fbi, 45 saying the trust the department of justice. have those numbers dipped in light of the president's attack on the institution s? >> this is the first time we asked about those institutions as part of the survey. generally the organizations that the president has been attacking have been increasing at least relative to the last year. the media compared to the last couple years is up 6 points the last five or six years. starting from a preload base, but still up.
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we've seen the same thing when we look across a couple different issues as well. >> would you say millennials are not buying the president's use of the term "fake news" sne >> they're not buying that. they're concerned about the intake of news, what's real, what's fake, et cetera. but it's almost like one of newton's laws which is for every action there is a reaction and i think what we're seeing in this poll is the reaction of young people is to, is to think about how to organize and then to show up in november. >> rick tyler, to bring you into this conversation as well, this -- your polling seems to indicate that republicans are digging a major hole with millennials. do you think there is any hope, rick tyler? what do you think your party needs to do to fix some of these numbers? 69% of millennials would prefer democratic control congress, 28% republican. >> that's a huge problem. if i'm wrong, millennial generation is now the largest voting generation and will continue to be and the republicans have got to figure out how to win them back and how to have a vision for the future. part of the administration is it's to tactical, nobody knows where we're going. there's no aspiration for what we're working for.
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and couple that with the things that millennials look toward and believe in, this administration seems antithetical to things they believe and trust in. >> what are you finding are the differences among, you said you included post millennials. so, people keep telling me i'm a millennial. >> you are a millennial, no question about it. >> but i don't think i have anything in common with the youngest millennials. how are the people -- i might argue spend a lot more time on snapchat than i do, by the way. you found some interesting differences with the group that's behind us. >> i do think that from an ideological or type ology point of view, there aren't tremendous difrss between people in their 30s and 20s. the difference is more around the use of technology. you're absolutely right. instagram, snapchat far more likely to be part of the average
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habit, daily habit of a post-millennial folks in their teens and early 20s. but the millennials that came of age post 9/11 became past of the movement of the obama campaign, which are the most reliable democratic voters in the electorate. they're in their mid 30s and now they're older, have families, careers. this group is locked down for democrats maybe for the next couple decades. >> certainly more probably more likely to vote as they get older. yamiche, you and i covered bernie sanders together which was an interesting study in where many of these millennial voters seem to be. what did you learn on the campaign trail about the difficulty republicans have with this age group? >> i think the main difficulty, especially when it comes to
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president trump is that millennials are people are inkreetsingly people of color and increasingly are about embracing diversity and embracing diversity not just in race, but in gender and in sexual orientation. and when you think about the conservative republicans, i'm not talking about what president trump might be doing on twitter, but the republican ideals. people are having whole platforms about abortion, having whole platforms about maybe school choice where some people think of that as kind of digging into segregation and allowing people to segregate themselves educationally, millennials are looking at that. not only do we not like the characters of the republican party, but their actual policies don't seem to match with what i believe in. bernie, what's so interesting is he was so unabashedly progressive. i think hillary clinton had a lot of things they had in common. there were a lot of things bernie ran on democrats secretly
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wanted to say, bernie said them out loud. he said free college? we'll say free college. that's what got millennials excited about bernie. >> one issue that stuck out in particular to me, john, is your polling on gun laws. 77% of millennials said they thought that this was an important issue. 64% of them want stricter gun laws. over -- almost 60% support an assault weapons ban. did you get the sense this does have the potential to become a
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voting issue for millennials? we have not necessarily seen that be the case. >> it has every bit of potential. 25% of the 77% say it's the most important issue. what is interesting about this issue is we have been tracking this now for over a decade. a lot of the attitudinal shift has been happening already. we saw a 20-point across the board attitudinal shift in democrats and republicans on issues related to gun control and assault weapon ban. republicans start in the 20s, they're now in the 40s. democrats in the 50s now in their 70s. what we're seeing is i think the parkland students and the way in which they and other students have organized has essentially accelerated this and turned it from an ideological opinion shift to something that could motivate millions of young people in november. >> so, speaking of difficulties for republicans, this weekend has underscored some of the awkwardness that died in the wool old school republicans are dealing with now. for example, mitt romney suffered an embarrassing, if minor set back, in his bid for the u.s. senate. he narrowly lost a nomination battle yesterday during utah's republican convention. it means he'll be forced into a june primary race against state lawmaker mike kennedy. and then there is retiring tennessee senator bob corker. he upset some republicans this week after praising the democrat running for his seat, former governor phil. take a look at what corker said when he was asked this morning why marcia black burn, the republican, is better. >> most people in our state, it is a red state. we'll focus on the first vote she makes, and that's the vote to elect the majority leader. >> senator, that's not a ringing endorsement of marcia blackburn to say she should be elected because she's going to vote for mitch mcconnell. >> well, dana, i'm supporting the nominee.
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i've worked with the nominee for sometime and i don't know what else to say. >> okay. we'll leave it there. >> rick tyler, do you have anything else to say? >> he wouldn't even say her name. i would say he forgot her name, but he literally would not say her name. >> there is, of course, we should say there is some back story here. he is good friends with the republican nominee -- rather, the democratic nominee, ashley parker. but this has been -- started when the christian scientist monitor said i'm going to vote for marcia blackburn, but i'm not going to say anything bad about my democratic friend. it was leaked mitch mcconnell sent him a message, the message doesn't seem to have registered. >> you spend more time on capitol hill than i do, but the thing that is amazing watching him, there is a small group of members of congress who are basically retiring or not likely to be in office for that much longer who feel free to say publicly what everyone is saying
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privately. so, you know, you talk to members privately off the record. on tv as you say they are on message. he has that liberation and it's kind of fun to watch. >> quickly, mitt romney, i think you and i kind of both were like, oh, you know, we watched mitt romney lose a major race. there is not really -- it seems as though he's still in very good position for the primary. but this is somewhat unfortunate considering his history. >> yes, exactly.
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i mean, by all accounts he's still, as you said, in good position for the primary. there is something demoralizing about the man who was the republican nominee for president not being able to finish first. >> in utah. >> in utah. not quite his home state, but a state that has a lot of good will for him and his family. >> a very narrow loss to the state senator mark kennedy. so, still some road to hoe for romney coming up the next couple months. thank you for your insight. appreciate it. rick tyler, yamiche, thank you both. i really appreciate it. when we return on "kasie d.c.," remembering the remarkable life of barbara bush. dry skin to leave you glowing. positively radiant® body collection from aveeno®.
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best role model in the world. her authentic plastic pearls, her not coloring her hair. by the way, she was beautiful till the day she died. her hugging of an hiv/aids patient at a time her own mother wouldn't do it. her standing by her man with a little rhyming poetry in the 1984 election. and a thousand other ways barbara pierce bush was real. that's why people admired her and loved her so. >> that was former florida governor jeb bush eulogizing his mother, barbara bush, at her funeral service in houston yesterday. four former presidents joined hundreds of other mourners at the private service inside the nation's largest episcopal church. mrs. bush was at the heart of the bush family dynasty and just the second woman in american history to watch both a husband and a son serve as president. the woman known inside her family as the enforcer was reportedly in great spirits during her final days. a source close to the family
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told cbs news she was alert and having conversations over bourbon the night before she died. her husband offered this recollection of the very last time he saw her. >> we had a wonderful visit. she was strong, lucid -- >> funny still. >> she and i were needling each other and the doctor came in. she turned to the doctor and said do you want to know why george w. is the way he is? the doctor looked surprised. because i drank and smoked while i was pregnant with him. >> that does it tonight. we'll be back from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now, good night from washington. and of course it's the really tough stains that nobody ever does ready? really? i didn't do it so when i heard they added ultra oxi to the cleaning power of tide, i knew it was just what we needed so now we can undo all the tough stains that nobody did dad? i didn't do it
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this morning a shooting suspect on the run. police in tennessee say four people were killed when a man carrying an ar-15 opened fire at a waffle house. plus, the white house signals cautious optimism after north korea announced it was suspending its nuclear testing. president trump spent the weekend tweeting about it. the duchess of cambridge has been admitted to the hospital in the early stages of labor. this will be the third child for prince william and kate. good morning, everyone. it's monday,
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