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ronny jackson withdrew his nomination to be the next va secretary will not be returning in his role as the president's personal physician. two senior administration officials, nbc news has not confirmed that reporting. jackson faced intense criticism this week after the top democrat on the senate veterans affairs committee, jon tester, released a document summarizing allegations against jackson by current and former colleagues. those allegations included overprescribing pills, drinking on the job, and creating a hostile work environment. president trump responded in a tweet yesterday writing, quote, secret service has just informed me that senator jon tester's statements on admiral jackson are not true. here's what the president had to say at his rally last night in michigan.

>> senator jon tester of a really great place, montana, who voted, by the way, in favor of sanctuary cities who is weak on the border, didn't vote for tax cuts, he took a gentleman who is a truly high-quality human being, and what they said about him -- this is a high-quality individual like they would love in montana, and tester started throwing out things that he's heard. well, i know things about tester that i could say, too. [ applause ] and if i said them, he'd never be elected again. >> again, so far only politico reporting this. i want to welcome my panel in to talk more about all of it. politics reporter for the daily beast and msnbc dribber betsy woodruff. national political reporter for action yo, jonathan swan. white house reporter for the associated press kathryn louis i and nbc correspondent jeff bennett. welcome all.

after i know what has been quite a weekend. jonathan swan -- >> went very well, didn't it? everything was perfect. >> i heard that. pitch perfect. >> we'll talk more about that in a second. i know you had been doing a lot of reporting on ronny jackson. this is somebody the president very much liked personally. what's kind of been going on behind the scenes? i know you're still working on confirming this report. >> i can't confirm the specific report, but what i can tell you is one of the reasons why jackson didn't withdraw immediately was there are a number of people inside the white house, including the president, who saw political advantage in them kind of leaving him there, hanging sort of in the wind because the more that democrats pile on, they thought a lot of these allegations were false, particularly the one about him getting drunk and crashing a government vehicle. >> that's what he was talking about in the tweet on saturday. said the secret service said it was false. >> that is provable. the theory among some, not all in the white house, was could be very politically advantageous. you have jon tester who is a key red state democrat, a state that they really want to win putting

all these accusations out there. and if some of them, particularly the big ones turnout to be false, they could use this as a political weapon. >> kathryn louisy, i was surprised tessier went so far out in the public eye. he's not someone we see in public cameras. he did open himself up, especially as jonathan says, some of these are not proven. >> the president is going to go really, really hard on him and the white house sees an opening here for someone who has not given them a lot of opening so far and is well liked in his state. they think this is something they can target. i think then also in terms of jackson, we're still trying to figure out what's going on here. although they had never said that he would return as the personal physician last week. >> right. i mean, i will say first of all, if the president does have information that will mean tester never gets elected again, i'm sure mitch mcconnell would like to be in on that information. he's throwing out rumor and innuendo.

>> the fact that the president is blaming everyone else for this bungled process, he has to confirm someone or nominate someone. they are pointing the finger at the president for not properly vetting ronny jackson when the president says he's a high-quality individual. what's so interesting about that is my conversations with former obama administration officials and former trump administration officials who know and have worked with ronny jackson say the same thing. they blame the president for letting him be in the wind. >> did you hear the one about the white house correspondents' dinner? some people thought it wasn't very funny. >> boredom is probably my biggest worry for life after congress. luckily boehner texted me the other day and he said he found something that helps him chill out. something to do with grass. i don't really know. anyway -- >> anyway. the president also skipped the

event for a second time. it used to be, this dinner, the kind of thing donald trump loves to go to. there he is. you see him. people in black ties, celebrities, journalists, even a touch of class. no more. ever the tv producer he counter programmed an event in washington township michigan and at times he and comedian michelle wolf found similar grist for the mill. >> and they said, donald trump has won the state of michigan, remember that? [ cheers and applause ] >> it is kind of crazy that the trump campaign was in contact with russia when the hillary campaign wasn't even in contact with michigan. [ laughter ] >> you know, in the old days when the newspapers used to write, they put names down. today they say, sources have said that president trump -- sources. they never say who the source is. they don't have sources. the sources don't exist.

>> you guys are obsessed with trump. did you used to date him? because you pretend like you hate him, but i think you love him. i think what no one in this room wants to admit is that trump has helped all of you. he couldn't sell steaks or vodka or water or college or ties or eric. [ laughter ] but he has helped you. he's helped you sell your papers and your books and your tv. you help create this monster and now you're profiting off of him. and if you're gonna profit off of trump, you should at least give him some money because he doesn't have any. >> that is more or less where the comparisons end for some

people last night represented the cynical low point of what has been a caustic couple of years. for some, though, just another day in 2018. betsy, this was supposed to be in some ways a bit of a reproach month for the press and the white house. the president himself not attending. last year none of his aides did. last night sarah sanders sitting at the podium at the head table with the journalists where we heard nasty attacks from the immediates. >> there caustic remarks going after sarah sanders going after her accent and makeup. i think it's significant also that matt and mercedes schlapp, a member of the president trump white house, left in the middle of the comedy routine. if there was to be some come to jesus moment between the press and core that didn't happen last

night. margaret sullivan has a comment out in the washington post saying we should stop having the dinners altogether which is close to no longer being a minority opinion. >> the president of the white house correspondent's association saying we thought sarah sanders handled herself with incredible grace in the face of what she continued to sit there. jonathan swan, do you think thsz

the beginning -- we've had the conversation in the past whether this benefits democracy, scholarships for kids who will go on to work in the field, protect the first amendment and all of that. but it seems to have gone rather sideways. >> i'm all for the scholarships. scholarships are great. we should keep raising money for them. i'm kind of allergic to the whole dinner. not only the sort of comedy which was in my view not particularly funny, but also just the self-congratulatory incestous nature. i'm down for dinner. >> michelle wolff at the outset said she's not a political comedian. she's not from the world of washington so her act was not designed for the people in the room. i thought it was designed to gin up controversy. she's promoting her netflix show. she certainly succeeded in that regard. the white house correspondents association which i happen to be a member wants to avoid this perennial hand wringing they should find a safer comedian, larry the cable guy or wayne brady or like john than said, forego the same thing. >> defenders of the dinner would say it is more than about the comedian. it is about fellowships and all

about celebrating the first amendment. we heard a lot of that from margaret during her remarks about the work that everyone in the white house press core is doing. and so i think there will be a bigger conversation how to balance those goals with what kind of comedy or entertainment you really want to have at the dinner. >> absolutely. well, let's change gears a little bit because you may remember that last week the president turned heads during a sprawling interview on fox news. >> you take a poll at the fbi. i love the fbi. the fbi loves me. but the top people at the fbi headed by comey were crooked. you look at mccabe where he takes $700,000 from somebody supporting hillary clinton. and you look at the corruption at the top of the fbi. it's a disgrace. and our justice department, which i try and stay away from, but at some point i won't. our justice department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with russia. there is no collusion with me and russia. and everyone knows it. >> we'd talk to you all day but it looks like you have a million things to do. i hope you get -- mr. president >> thank you so much for being with us. >> it's not clear he had a million other things to do. but even after nearly 30 minutes on the phone with his favorite show, it seemed like, as you could hear there, that the president had more that he wanted to say. and last night back on the trail in michigan, he seemed to finish the thought. >> take a look at the intelligence agencies.

and what about -- hey, and what about comey? did you watch him on the interviews? um, um, um. what about comey? the two lovers, right? lisa, lisa and strzok. lisa and peter. look at how many of those top officials were fired or removed. and they should be out of here. and what about the guy that took $700,000 for his wife's campaign? nobody even talks about it. nobody even talks about it. i'll tell you why. i've been talking about it for a long time. and if our justice department was doing the right thing, they'd be a lot tougher right now on those people. >> so, i want to take a second and kind of walk through all of this. he said in that fox news interview, at some point he won't cease, in his mind he says -- i try not to go after the department of justice, but at some point i'm going to stop doing that and i'm going to go after them. what kind of danger, kathryn

lucy, does this represent? if americans cannot trust that there is justice to be had in a country that is supposed to have the rule of law, what are we left with? >> that's a pretty horrible question, kasie. the president is frustrated with his department of justice. he has been. he's frustrated with the attorney general. and he's clearly trying to sort of sow these seeds of doubt about it. as you can see with this fox interview, with the rally, he

wants to do more of them, he's only going to amp up this message. it isn't going to go a what. the other thing we've heard consistently, it goes beyond d.o.j. he's been increasingly frustrated since the michael cohen raid, that investigation. he feels personally targeted there. and this is really added to his privately and publicly. >> is that what we're seeing jonathan swan? what is your view from behind the scenes?

>> it's possible. this is a rhetorical pattern. it's not just with the justice department. he does it with everything. he basically makes a big threat and leaves it out there, makes people feel uncomfortable. oftentimes he retreats to a fairly conventional part. he's done it on afghanistan, syria, nafta. >> the stakes are particularly high. >> of course they are. so are they with north korea. we were on the verge of nuclear apocalypse. when i was saying my button is bigger than your button. now we're going for a peace talk. he's been threatening to fire the leadership of the justice department for a long time. he still hasn't done it. i know he wants to, but his lawyers are telling him if you do this, it's the beginning of the end of your presidency so maybe you shouldn't. >> so, betsy, he's essentially listening to that counsel. what is the president -- does he feel as though this would be the beginning of the end of his presidency? have they been able to successfully tell him that these are the consequence? >> the fact that he hasn't fired any of these people would indicate at least for the time being he's taking their advice. he clearly either has a poor grasp of the some of characters in play here or just has been ignoring news reports. in that tape you play he refers to lisa page and peter strzok, these two lovers involved in one of the investigations of him.

my colleagues and i obtained the latest text messages between page and strzok. of course they go after president trump. they go after -- one of them suggested wanting to leave the fbi because she was so concerned about trump's leadership. so the president is correct in saying there was criticism of him. what the president didn't say which is pretty vital context, they go after a whole host of political actors. they criticized eric holder, they criticized hillary clinton, they criticized bernie sanders. it runs the gamut. these are people who were interested in politics but weren't particularly mart san. that said the president has been able to weapon ize this investigation on capitol hill in a way that is unfair to the people involved. >> we're just getting started on a packed night of "kasie d.c." tonight. just ahead signs of headway in korea as the president gets his man to take over the state department. and later, congressman beto o'rourke will size up his bid to up seat ted cruz in texas. first i'm joined by governor john kasich for a segment we're calling kasich dc. you might want to strap on your seat belt or go pick one up. we're back after this. >> if i get elected president, head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt. if you don't have a seat belt on your chair, go and ge one. >> you're going to have to have a seat belt to get on with it. fasten your seat belt because we're going. mr. elliot, what's your wifi password?

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ohio governor john kasich tried to distinguish himself in the massive 2016 primary field by being a voice of reason. when i sat down with him today, we talked about whether he would try to it again in 2020 and whether that message will be better received in his own party now. >> well, you know i was thinking about this. first of all, everybody said they wanted to rip up the iran deal. i said no, no, we need to see how iran does and whether they abide by the deal. i'm the only one saying that. 15 million hispanics who came here illegally, put them on a bus and ship them out. that's not practical. or we could balance the budget by going after waste, fraud and abuse. it was like, or i expanded medicaid because i thought the people who were drug addict and had mentally ill ought to get help. when i think back on that, that was pretty weird, you know. so why it was weird because i was really articulating in some respects traditional, you know, mashl not totally traditional republican views, but that's not

what the country wanted back then. >> what is traditional republican -- what are traditional republican views now? >> around long enough to have actually known and was here when ronald reagan was president. everybody talks about saint reagan, we all love him. what was he? well, he could make compromise when it was necessary. he was pragmatic. made a deal with tip o'neal, we all know that about. he was pro immigrant. he was pro trade. he was -- you know, he was a growth guy. everybody should win, not just those at the top, but those at the bottom. >> it doesn't sound like president trump's republican party to me. >> well, is it trump's republican party? where is the party? i think the party has left me. i don't think i've left the party. >> do you still consider yourself a republican? >> oh, yeah, yeah. kasie, here's the thing that's amazing. me, i'm not conservative enough. well, we have a balanced budget with very high ratings in ohio.

we're running a $2 billion surplus. there are now one-half million ohioans working who didn't have a job when i came in, but we are also helping people who struggle. whether they're mentally ill or drug addicted who were pro immigrant. if immigrants don't want to live somewhere in america, come to ohio. we like to have you there. what's wrong with that? what's wrong with caring about people? what's wrong with lifting people? and what's wrong with balancing budgets, running surpluses and creating jobs? what am i missing about -- >> you tell me. >> i don't have any idea. it's the weirdest thing. why would somebody -- and first of all, i think today, honestly, there's two poles. there's the hard left and there's the hard right. and they don't want to hear anything, any information that disagrees with their position. but there is a vast ocean, i believe, in the middle and it is filled with people who i hope who i believe are rational, objective and seek the truth because you know we're in a post-truth environment where we can't even agree that you and i ever sat here.

some people would argue, right? if you can get that, i don't care whether you're republican, democrat, liberal. once we get folks there, we can meet all our issues. >> you're arguing for some sort of challenge to this powerpoint, or at least you're saying there would be room for somebody in that middle. >> well, i don't know. i have no idea. i wouldn't want to waste my time or my friends' time, my family's time. and, you know, i don't know what i'm going to do on that. i'm more worried -- this is what's hard for people -- >> are you thinking about it? >> in this town -- no, all i'm thinking about is all my option s are on the table. i don't know what i'm going to do. i have no clue. i have no idea what i'm going to do when i leave my current job. but because i speak out and i say these things, people think, well, he must be running for something. see, it's like no good deed --

>> you are a politician. >> -- goes unpunished. some people say i've drifted more towards philosophy than politics. if you saw my state of the state address, i'm probably the only governor make a speech where i didn't brag about any accomplishments. i've talking about virtue. i'm talking about us, you know, going back and discovering and you saw some of this on the campaign trail, that i believe that the lord -- you don't have to agree with me on this, but the lord has printed his values and his virtues on our hearts and that's about compassion and forgiveness and hopefulness and human connectiveness. that's what i want to do. now, i don't know where that journey is going to take me. and in this town, i mean, one minute we've got -- we're talking about whether the president is going to the correspondents dinner, the next minute we're firing the chaplain. who knows what's going to happen

in this town. it's crazy. >> do you think president is a virtuous man? re: i would never be talking about whether somebody is virtuous -- >> you just talked about virtues being printed on your heart. >> first of all, none of us are all that virtuous. we're all flawed. we all don't care enough. we all do things about ourselves, our egos -- >> do you think he's a good role model for your kids? >> i don't try to pick politicians or sports figures to be really role models for my kids. the best role models for my kids is me -- >> you're a politician. >> do i think leaders matter, yes. i also think the community matters because without the community you can't be successful. you're tilting at windmills. >> it sounds to me you're arguing there is this vast center that washington is crazy and that we need leaders who are in the middle. >> no, you're not -- >> yet you're criticizing president trump. >> i'm not saying that it's not the middle. no one wants to be in a middle. it's people who are rational, people who are -- >> so the president is not

rational. >> here's what i'm saying. if you're on the extremes, you only absorb that that you agree with. and if you can be rational and if you can absorb things you don't agree with, and if you can be in a position of seeking the truth, everything is not about fake news because i don't like what they're saying about me. it doesn't mean i'm in the middle. i'm rational. i can have great disagreements with people who are rational and seek the truth, but i believe i can mediate them. i can reach agreement with people who seek the truth and are objective. with people who are out here on the extremes or taking care of themselves, we'll come back for them later once we build our community. my disagreement with the president, he divides. i'm not for dividers. i don't care whether it's the president or somebody running for congress or city council, doesn't matter to me. we can't have any more division in this country. i can disagree with you, but we don't have to divide ourselves. >> and you think president trump is divisive? >> he is divisive, yeah, yeah. i wish he wasn't. i wish he'd change. i said that from the beginning.

that's why i didn't go to the convention, why i didn't endorse him. he didn't endorse him because he's mad. had nothing to do with it. i don't want our leaders to be saying, the reason why you don't have something is because somebody else took it from you. that creates a victim hood. you know there are many people in the country now who feel like victims. and when you're a victim, when you are a victim, you have no power, you feel hopeless, and you are angry.

and i don't believe that our leaders should say, the reason why -- whatever it is -- if it's business or sports or religion or whatever. the reason why things are bad for you is because that person took your stuff. bad way to run our country. but we're a strong country. we'll be fine. >> to go back to what we were talking about earlier, there are reports that you met with billionaire donors over the course of the past week as you >> i try to meet with regular people and billionaires as i can. i don't know where that report came from. i mean, i travelled the country. i was in texas last week. >> so did it not happen? >> no, no, i went down and i went to -- it made it look like there was some kind of like, i don't know, it was way out there. the story i thought was exaggerated but i was down there, i went to the barbara bush literacy council. i met people there who were wealthy. we see these people around politics. >> just happened to -- >> let me be clear. i'm going to keep my political operation alive. because i want to have a voice. and i need to raise certain amount of money each year in

order to do that, to be effective. and to do my research, to be able to travel, to be able to be articulate, i'm going to travel this fall for republicans who i believe can be objective and those who have courage. i'm not traveling for people who are saluting the president. that's not what i'm going to do. if you are engaging in division, i'm not helping you. if you're somebody that wants to stand up and be rational and all that kind of stuff and objective and seek the truth, i'm going to come and help you because there are suburban republicans that are going to want me to go out and campaign for them and i will gladly do it because i'm a republican and i'm a conservative. so, do i meet with people who have money and ask them to help me? yes. i also have a website. why don't you send me a contribution. we won't tell anybody. >> i am not allowed to do that, >> you can't? i'm sorry. >> john kasich, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. i enjoyed my chat with governor kasich. we have more. new secretary of state, new status quo in south korea? we'll talk to jonathan swan about his latest reporting. follow along on twitter at "kasie d.c." share your favorite dogs watching the show, dogs watching "kasie d.c." we're back after this.

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i spoke to the president this morning, of south korea, for a long time. they just had a very good meeting. he gives us tremendous credit. what do you think president trump had to do with it? i'll tell you what, like how about everything? that's very nice, thank you. nobel.

>> president trump touting progress with north korea in the wake of a historic summit between kim jong-un and south korean president moon jae-in. it all comes as the president's new secretary of state mike pompeo is revealing new details about his recent meeting with the north korean leader. >> we had a extensive conversation on the hardest issues that face our two countries. i had a clear mission statement from president trump. when i left there kim jong-un understood the mission exactly as i've described it today, and he agreed that he was prepared to talk about that and to layout a map that would help us achieve that objective. only time will tell if we can get that done. >> and now ahead of a possible summit with president trump next month, kim jong-un has informed the south korean president that

he is prepared to abandon his nuclear weapons if the united states agrees to formally end the korean war, and promise not to invade his country. jonathan swan, you have new reporting and your sneak peek out tonight. what do you know? >> well, we had very interesting series of events coming up and they all fit into trump's negotiating style. we talked a little about this earlier. if you take north korea, it's ratchet up the tension to 15 out of 10, and then bet that the other party will help you get to

something maybe -- >> try and essentially take the temperature down. >> yeah. that they will assume that he's willing to go places that they're not willing to go, and that -- >> or he'll do something completely unpredictable. >> north korea is a perfect example. we have a delegation leaving tuesday night for beijing. steven mnuchin, bob lighthizer, larry kudlow, to negotiate with china, to try and find a gentle exit ramp from this escalating tariff war. we have another thing happening this week.

at midnight, 1201, if trump extends it, it is another pattern of extreme threat and we go somewhere quite moderate in the end. >> kathryn lucy, what's the view from the white house and the folks that you're talking to right now about what this historic meeting really means between north and south korea? do they feel like this is where the u.s. wants to be or is there concern about them kind of potentially moving past and leaving some of our interests, american interests behind? >> what you see is certainly the president taking credit for this historic place we've gotten to. it is a huge shift from where we were a few months ago in terms of little rocketman and nuclear threats. fire and fury. but i do think you're hearing from officials there is healthy skepticism about the promises we're hearing. we've been here before. the negotiations have gotten us here, but where do you go next? and are the promises real or not, and if they're not, do you do another round of this? how do you move this forward. >> and john bolt on kind of made this -- the advisor on tv this morning. >> he said what we've heard is words. >> 1992. >> i think he said what we've heard so far is words. >> and you've seen both democratic and republican administrations struggle with this. >> there is a bit of disconnect, quickly, between the president and his own white house officials. >> 100%. >> on his cavalier attitude. if it goes well, great, if not, i'll walk away from the meeting. of course there is this huge gamble. the second the president walks into the room, he has elevated

kim and given north korea exactly what they wanted. so, if this works he gets credit for being responsible for the biggest diplomatic move since the end of the korean war. if it all goes south and he gets rolled, he's effectively elevated kim and has nothing to show for it. >> we know he really does want to do the meeting. as a president, he wants to swing big as much as possible. it doesn't always work, but this is certainly the biggest possible swing he can take. >> there are republicans already trying to nominate him for the nobel peace prize. we'll keep talking about that. jeff bennett, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. still to come, things at the border with mexico are coming to a head. we're back after this. i'm making my ideas real. with godaddy you can get a website to sell online. and it will look good. i made my own way. now it's time to make yours. ♪ everything is working just like it should ♪ but zzzquil is different have pain medicine because why would you take a pain medicine when all you want is good sleep?

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it was a pretty close call for republicans in arizona last week. republican debbie last co-eked out a narrow win in the special election in what was a heavily trump district. this week i asked congressional republicans about whether the margin should worry them as they face the midterm elections. what do you make of the results in arizona last night? >> a win is a win. there is a growing sense and this is a good thing. it's going to be a heck of a fight and you better be ready for it and start earlier and

work harder than you ever were before. >> we better take the race seriously. the good news is she won. >> should republicans be worried? >> not in my opinion. >> everybody is well aware as a republican that it is going to be a very challenging political environment in november. and i think these special election results reinforce that, that challenge. >> the results out of arizona last night, do they concern you at all in your own senate bid? >> you know what, i was flying in, i haven't seen they have. >> five points, 21 points for trump. >> you know what, i know we're working hard. >> marcia black burn, of course, potentially facing a loss in tennessee which should, should be a cake walk, we should say, for republicans. but jonathan swan, there are over 150 or about 150 republican members of congress who are in districts that are more democratic than this district in arizona. >> uh-huh. >> how panicked is or not is the white house about losing the house at this point? >> it depends who you talk to.

there are like a very small number of people who are obsessed with this. it's like, you know, ring the bell, guys, we need to wake up, you know. he could get impeached. there are a whole bunch of people who don't seem to be thinking about it at all. i think a lot of -- what the divide is, you have people who have political experience nick ayers with the vice-president, the vice-president is traveling. they have a sophisticated political team. the political director studies the data very closely. you have a whole bunch of other people who have never been to washington and worked on a campaign where all the pundits told them they were going to lose, and so i think there is -- >> so they basically don't believe it. >> truly, i really do -- when you talk to them they're like, yeah, that's what you guys say. let's check in in november. so, there is a lot of that going on and you can understand why. >> i think it's interesting that of the members who you spoke to for that package there, ryan costello from pennsylvania sounded the most concerned. the reading rules in

pennsylvania means there are seats available that wouldn't otherwise be. there are states where there is anxiety, especially given pennsylvania was a trump state. >> i think the concern is going to be whether it expands beyond. many of these suburban districts are already gone. costello is retiring. >> that's right. there is already a lot of anxiety about suburban districts. are rural districts going to be in play? there are districts that can straddle that. what we've seen so far from all

of the specials is that democratic enthusiasm is real. there's no question. they are overperforming. this is real and it's also historically midterm years are challenging. and there certainly are people telling the president that this is potential -- this is a problem, this is something the white house needs to think about. they need to be strategic about what he does and where he goes. it's just not clear he's hearing that. >> you're looking at "the new york times" has been reporting on this topic. mcconnell has warned the president. if his warning is not enough, marc short, the liaison used the dinner at the white house to offer an even starker assessment. the gop's majority is all but doomed he said. marc short, one of those people who has, as you referenced, worked in this arena for quite sometime. the other piece of this, i think, you're seeing nancy pelosi on the other side. if we're talking about impeachment, we're handing a gift to the gop. >> right. they don't want to get the republican base fired up. they're walking -- democrats are walking this interesting line. they all want to impeach the guy, but if they talk about impeachment, if you are thinking about what's going to get this sort of, you know, not very impressed complacent republican off his couch to the polls talking about impeachment is probably one of those things. >> indeed. betsy woodruff, kathryn lucy, thank you for your time tonight. i appreciate it. when we come back we continue our series on the historic wave of women running for congress. we'll introduce you to democrat

katie wilson trying to pry a seat away from the youngest woman to ever win a seat in congress. we're back after this.

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fun of because you guys don't do anything. people think you might flip the house and senate this november, but you guys always find a way to mess it up. you're somehow going to lose to a guy named jeff pedophile nazi doctor. >> one of those races taken first in the. one of them is katy wilson. if she would -- did manage to win the nomination she'll face off against a republican incumbent who won by more than 35 points in 2016. joining me is katy wilson. thank you for your time tonight.

i appreciate it. >> it's wonderful to be here. >> so you are facing in the primary dylan redirect examination -- radigan. what is your strategy for fighting back against that. you're in a very, very crowded field. how do you break through? i think it's representative of what's going on across the country right now. i am someone who represents working people in a rural working class district it's about who people trust. who's going to motivate people to get out and vote and turnout and finally have a voice in d.c. >> have you worked with any of the groups in washington, the d triple c, emily's list, as you make this bid. one concern i have is they hope the wave of women candidate have

something to show at the end of the day. >> it's rough. to be honest, the d triple c gave me advice in the beginning and it wasn't very good advice. >> what was it? >> hire this person, that person, make sure you have these contracts with these big firms. what we're doing is rallying people who are not in this for the money but the win. that is what makes me confident we can win this thing. >> you have not joined -- several of your competitors said if we loose, we will make sure we do not run third party bids. is that something you would consider? >> i won't consider an independent bid. i'm not here to be a spoiler. i'm here to help take back a seat and i'm committed to winning the democratic line.

so i'm hoping to go into the general election strong and have more than one line to be on. voter psychology gives us a shot at taking the democratic seat back. >> leaders have been in place for a decade plus, do you think it's time for some of them to go? >> are you angling up towards the nancy pelosi question? i do. i think it's time for a new generation of leadership. we need to change the way we're doing things in d.c., and that's why i'm running, and potentially a lot of people running. >> is there anyone that you could take speaker of the house. >> someone i that first med is sherry wes toe. she's out in the district, spending time with people keeping her in office. someone like sherry or someone like katherine clark. there are a lot of incredible women out there, and men, who i think could serve that position well.

>> nancy pelosi has been quoted recently and said directly now, that talking about impeachment is a loser for the democrats in the fall. do you agree on that front or do you think the president should be impeached based on what we know now? >> i think we need to get to the bottom of it. do we have the information? we need to make sure the investigation continues without any more interruptions and get to the bottom of it. whether or not we should talk about it should be clear soon. congress has to take a good hard look at that and pursue whatever information arises. there's so much to get toll in the next hour.

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by the way, is this better than that phony washington white house correspondence? is this more fun? i could be up there tonight smiling like i love where they're hitting you shot after shot. these people they hate your guts and then i'm supposed to -- >> president trump knew he would be a target at the annual white house correspondents dinner. >> and president trump hits the campaign trail to help republicans to fight