this is all of the information that robert mueller has and has had for quite a long time. we don't know exactly what is coming next out of this investigation. so certainly, jared kushner could still potentially be a point of liability for the administration. >> all right. never boring. my thanks to jen, eli, kimberly and bill. that does it for our hour. auto 'nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now with my friend katy tur in for chuck todd. >> you are not in the studio, i had to dress like you to feel close to you. >> i will be back in monday. >> if it's monday, we are walking, and we are walking, and we are stopping. tonight, a rudy awakening. the president's attorney and his complicated relationship with the truth. >> living in some kind of unreal fantasy world that everybody tells the truth. >> plus donald versus don. why president trump is telling west virginia not to vote for

republican don blankenship. >> they have done everything they could to put pressure on the president. >> and the iran nuclear deal. is the u.s. in or out? the president says he's ready to reveal his decision. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ good evening. i'm katy tur in new york new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." and welcome to what feels like a theater of the absurd involving the president and his legal team, whether it is tea russia investigation or the stormy daniels controversy. and i do mean absurd. look at the mess they have made when it comes to the most basic of questions. starting with the stormy daniels case. did the president know about the hush money payment? two months ago, we were told no, he didn't. >> i have had conversations with

the president about this. there was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he has denied all of these allegations. >> then the president told us directly, no knowledge of the payment. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then his lawyer told us, well, he did know about it but he just learned about it. >> he didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it, which was a couple weeks ago. maybe not even a couple. maybe ten days ago. >> this weekend two sources told the "new york times" that he had not just learned about it. and now the president's lawyer is telling us, well maybe he has known about it for a while. >> it could have been recently. could have been a while back. those are the facts that we are still working on and that you know may be in a little bit of dispute. there is more rumor than it is anything else. >> you stated it as fact. >> well, maybe i did, but right now i'm at the point where i'm

learning. how do you separate fact and opinion? >> isn't separating facts from opinions something the president's lawyer should know how to do? shouldn't a human know how to do that. >> at the same time the white house is now saying that when the president told them and us that he didn't know about the payment he didn't really mean that he didn't know about the payment. >> the president told me just yesterday that when he said no on air force one last month he is talking about when the payment occurred. that he was not aware of the payment to ms. daniels when the payment occurred. >> who do you believe? the president? his lawyer? his staff? no one? and that is just the tip of the iceberg. take the question of whether or not the $130,000 hush money payment to stormy daniels stormy daniels involved the campaign. first, the president's lawyer told us it will nothing to do with the campaign. >> this was for personal reasons. this was -- the president had been hurt personally. >> then, in the same interview

he told us that paying off stormy daniels and keeping her allegations under wraps did have something to do with the campaign. >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> imagine that. then he put out a statement all but saying i misspoke, this had nothing to do with the campaign. quote, the payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president's family. but now he's back to saying maybe it did have something to do with the campaign. but whatever. >> it may have involved the campaign. doesn't matter. it was done for other purposes in addition to possible campaign purposes. end of case. >> i'm sure you are probably laughing at home. guys, we have hit a level absurdity where the president's lawyer isn't able to answer what is perhaps the most basic question involving the stormy daniels case. >> the president does acknowledge meeting stormy

daniels, correct? >> i'm not really involved in the daniels thing so i don't know. >> it sounds like you have been involved in the daniels things. i don't know? it doesn't look very good when the president's lawyer doesn't seem to know that there is photographic evidence of his client meeting with his accuser. and it does not look very good when this is how he covers for it. >> we do have a picture of them together. so the president -- >> it depends on -- in terms of what you mean by met her. right? on that note let's meet our panel. eddie glad. and noah rothman. caitlyn, i have been gone for a week. i have been trying to -- >> welcome back. >> i have been trying to tai pay attention to what's been going on with rudy giuliani. i have a bit of whiplash. i feel like i am on a roller coaster where my brain is

getting whipped back and forth as the roller coaster is being jerked side to side. what is going on here. >> giuliani has given multiple interviews in which he puts things out this, takes them back kind out. puts other things out there. my question is what is the whole point of all of this? are the president and alljewel teaming up together to try to muddy the waters on everything they know, that they both agree about taking a more aggressive approach to the mueller investigation? is that part of it? is it that they just want to get out there and see what sticks? the problem is -- it could have that effect. people could be looking at this time line as you laid out and throwing their hands up and saying well i don't understand it and it really doesn't have anything to do with me personally. the problem is every time giuliani gives an interview he possibly opens the president up to more legal and political libts. >> potentially. or is he making it all so

confusing that he is destroying any credibility he or the president has to r or his team has there is going to be nobody who faces any consequences because they have been all over the map on this. they can say clearly i have no idea what i'm doing, i'm going to plead, insanity, when it comes to the mueller investigation? >> i was thinking about the lead in and the theater of the absurd. it reminded me of the play "no exit" we are all stuck in this room and we can't leave and we have to listen to giuliani drone on. >> is it like being in a trump rally and hearing "tiny dancer". >> on a loochl it's like hell in a specific day. part of what we see is clear, a refusal to coordinate their legal confusion. utter confusion. whether it's deliberate or not, it's confusing. two, we see that everybody is lying. everybody is lying. giuliani is lying. trump is lying. everyone is lying and we need to

understand it for what it is. three, we know that the consequence of the confusion and the lying is they are deepeni their legal trouble. michael avenatti has his cheer leading suit on and mueller is licking his chops. >> does it married to republican parties, republican leadership, that republican votes that the president lies and lies and lies and his team lies and lies and lies. and they lie to cover up lies and it all gets so confusion that you can't tell when they are telling the truth? >> it shernl should. i think there is a convention on the right that believes there is no consequences for lying when it comes to personal ballianses and they will cite bill clinton saying he face nod personal consequences in 998. he was reputiated by members of his party. he was impeached. he was not on the ballot in the next election. al gore and joe lieberman were

running against him in a specific fashion. republicans would be flirting with disaster if they were to pretend there are no consequence force the president's actions. i don't think there is a concerted strategy here. i think giuliani was not freelancing, that he believed he was talking for the president until the rug was pull out from underneath him. like the muslim ban. he said it was a muslim ban until it didn't play well. >> can you ever trust this white house in anything? >> it depends who is talk sfwhoog how is trust worthy in the white house? >> that's a good question. various members of the administration most of them who don't go on camera. i think there are a lot of people in this administration who are serving admirably and diligently and don't try to speak for this white house because speaking for this white house is a dangerous position. >> can you trust the president? >> i don't know if you can trust this president. but i'm not sure you can trust any president. there is application involved.

>> in degrees. >> there are degrees but there is politics involved in every presidency. >> eddie, what does that say to you? >> he hedged his bets. you can't trust donald trump. donald trump has -- he is a reflection of this fact, that lying has become one of the principle political currencies of our time. he's a reflection of the crisis that's at the heart of our democracy. we need to call it out for what it is, noah, he's a liar. >> i do. >> you can go back to the bush administration and talk about the leadup to the iraq war. you could argue they were lying then and that got us into the war that we are still feeling the effects of. maybe that's more serious than donald trump lie being a payment to a porn star. >> there haven't been real consequences for him. over the course of the campaign both he and clinton -- mostly trump, were deemed as untrust worthy, they were both unlikable. people voted for him anyway, knowing that. i will also say among republicans at this point, because we are in the middle of

a heated primary season right now, west virginia and indiana voting tomorrow. those candidates have embraced and theet voers embraced donald trump's approach to the mueller probe. we have seen it in polling. it is a galvanizing force among republicans. there is this question whether the general public might grow tired this whole entire investigation and what that means for the electorate. in the primaries we are seeing it having an impact among voters. >> i think caitlyn put a period on the sentence. we are in the middle of a primary season. donald trump feels cushioned as a result of republicans who say we can't run away from this guy. test most well-liked person in the party. we have to support him. that dynamic could change after november. >> my question is broader. somebody who is so comfortable with living in an alternate reality where alternate facts exist and being completely fine

with telling the public one thing when that's not actually the case. even his own lawyer, rudy giuliani said that donald trump, yeah, he lies. listen. >> but you believe the president is telling the truth. if you believe that, if you have that conviction, your his attorney, why don't you say go in, talk to robert mutual ergs tell the truth? >> because i wouldn't be an attorney if i did that. i would be living in an unreal fantasy world that everybody tells the truth. >> unreal fantasy world, everybody tells the truth. you look at tri gowdy, who said if you are innocent act like it. that being said, i mean, lawyers will tell you to be very careful how you answer questions. >> not to be really all that candid but not lie, not to lie to people, not to lie to investigators. no attorney would tell you that that's horrible attorney advice. >> we are not trying to be moralists here. i'm not a moral prude. whatever that is, right? but part of what we're saying is

that for democracy to work it presumes a level of trust, some degree of trust. and not only have we seen institution erosion, there is no reason to trust anything that comes out of his mouth. >> it isn't just the stormy daniels stuff. >> exactly. >> right. >> he's going and he is tweet being the mueller investigation saying 13 democrats were leading the mueller investigation. that is a lie. the president knows that is a lie. he appointed one of the people leading the investigation, rod rosenstein is a republican. mueller is a republican. it is a lie to say that. what is it doing to our institutions? is there real discomfort on the hill for the people that are supposed to be the checks and balances on this, allowing this just to continue? >> i think there is a diss comfort, sure. but i'm also thinking about it in terms of what is going on right now besides all of this, right? the president is supposed to be sitting down at some point with north korea on those negotiations. they just had a huge delegation

come back the china to discuss trade policy. you have, you know, all of these other things -- >> the iran deal, which he is supposed to announce tomorrow. what kind of message does this send when the correlate of the president of the united states is questioned at this level on these kinds of things? >> i just spent a week overseas in australia. and i was asked over and over again what is the world is going on in america? and one of the questions that was persistent, can you put the toothpaste back in the bottle? >> yeah, the conservative movement used to know intuitively that precedent begets precedent. that you can't necessarily prevent the worsening the coorsening of conditions once you open a pandora's box. the fear is you know we will have compounding lying as opposed to spinning and not being especially candid is going out the window and you can just actually distort facts. but there is another school of thought that says there is going to be a reaction to this presidency just as there was a

reaction to every presidency in that the next candidate behaves in a polar fashion. carter contrasted against nixon. reagan was competent contrasting against carter. the worst, really bad traits in a prz we see corrected in the next administration. if there is no justice in this administration, there may be one in the next. >> are we going to get an honest loyal president next? >> it is my sincerest hope. ahead, blankenship's battleground, could the formerly prisoned coal executive possibly win the west virginia primary? we are about to find out.

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tomorrow is primary day in west virginia. and national republicans are looking nervous. what they want is a strong candidate to take on democrat joe manchin in the fall. what they are worried they might be about to get is don blankenship, a controversial former coal executive who spent a year in prison for his role in a deadly mining explosion. private polls are showing a three-way race between blankenship, morrisey and jenkins. the blankenship wins tomorrow many republicans feel they lose any chance of unseating manchin. president trump weighed in today,ity tweeting in part on blankenship currently running for senate can't win the election. blachkenship responded at a town hall.

snoolt i'm shurg he is getting that information from those who don't want me to be elected in order to drain the swamp, he is obviously misinformed. >> as some have said, i am trumpier than trump, and this morning proves it. joining me now, republican strategist josh holmes a former chief of staff and campaign manager for mitch mcconnell who has been attacked relentlessly by blankenship on the campaign trail. how worried are you? >> we have got two well qualified candidate with jenkins and morrisey who take the race from a mid tear target to the top of the line if they get through the primary. the problem of course is blankenship who makes it impossible for republicans to compete in november in a seat that honestly is critical to

keeping the majority in 2018. >> is donald trump's lack of endorsement, is his tweet today saying to west virginia voters don't vote for blankenship -- is it going to matter? >> i think it does matter. i mean, who he is speaking to there is his base. his base are the people who are going to be voting top. >> he said that about roy moore. and he still won the primary? >> the difference is you now have a body of evidence. we saw what happened with roy moore. the president rightfully warned alabama voters that moore couldn't win the general election even in the deepest red state in the union and in the end he was absolutely right. he was beaten sound lie. and he should have been. he was a terrible candidate who was not fitting for the republican brand. we have a similar situation in west virginia. i think voters are more likely to respond to the president's tweet here than they were months ago. >> moore was somebody the voters wanted in that state, alabama, because he was somebody who was

portraying him as the donald trump of alabama, a trumpy candidate willing to say and do whatever he needed to say and do to win. he pulled a gun out on stage. blankenship is doing very much the same thing. running against the swamp. saying he is trump quarry than donald trump. that was his response to donald trump's tweet today. and he is going after mcconnell very hard, in personal terms much in the way that the president when he was a candidate went after i don't know people like ted cruz or other candidates running against him. jeb bush. >> look, i think the president's situation and the situation with don blankenship are entirely divorced. the president never engaged in abject racism involving asian americans or african-americans the way that -- >> well you could say he was engaged in racism when it comes to mexicans and comes to muslims. do you think they are totally different? >>ic the preliminary is demonstrating a couple of things.

when you are looking at a candidate like don blankenship this is somebody who not only is objectionable in terms of his language whether it is appropriate in this century let alone ever, he also is somebody who presided over a mine that killed 29 mine workers. i think even more concerning than the fact that he doesn't want to take blame for it is the fact that he nonchalantly addresses this issue every time it comes up. this is a big issue in west virginia. it's something that honestly i think should have been a bigger deal than what republican leader that he is attacking. don blankenship knows how to get the attention to the national media. and knows by attacking mitch mcconnell and his family are the way to get attention. but he is also running ads on jobs and everything else. we are just hopeful he doesn't win. >> you think that the rhetoric that blarkenship is using is different than the rhetoric donald trump used? >> katy, he is calling people china people. i mean, this is not somebody who

is being -- >> donald trump says mexico is sending rapists over the border. he said, muslims are trying to kill you and he wants to keep them all out. >> i understand -- >> he said ted cruz's father might have been involved in the assassination of jfk. >> look, you you can run down the litdny. i get it. >> that's the point. >> you want to draw a comparison. there is no comparison from donald trump to a guy here who presided over a mine over a mine that killed 29 miners. who out of nowhere starts attacking the sitting secretary of transportation for being a, quote, unquote, china person, which of course is completely out of realm of anything that's decent in today's discussion. >> the reason i bring it up, tim miller, former spokesperson for jeb bush tweeted this today. people in politics think trump half heartedly endorsing strange, dinging blarkenship matter because they have deluded themselves about trump and the base. trump unleashed a noxious

hateful monster, and the voters who liked it can sniff who is his real heir, endorsement or not. >> look, i know tim. tim is a good friend. but he certainly has a extremely significant opinion about this president that i don't share. and i imagine that most republican voters don't share. but i think when we are talking about don blankenship we are talking about something that's entirely different, something we saw manifest itself in alabama just six months ago which lost a should have been putaway win for republicans in that election. i think that the majority is very much in peril here if we nominate people like don blankenship and frankly, i think the president is on the right side of history by sorting the other two candidates. >> you don't think the president helped create a environment where blankenship has a viable candidacy. >> if you look at the history of republican primaries, this issue predated the president by six or seven years. i mean this is something we

dealt with -- remember christino doenl or engle in 2010, or aiken, or murdoch. certainly the president is not responsible for people who came three four five or six years before his presidency. which is again -- it's coming up again in this primary. it's unfortunate. >> josh, final question. the "new york times" tweeted that he knows from a number of sources -- i know you are laughing because i think you know what is happening. that mitch mcconnell is answering the phone cocaine mitch, i presume as a joke because blankenship accused him of that. is he doing that? >> i can tell you he has a better sense of humor than most people think. it wouldn't surprise me. >> not out of the realm of possibilities. >> certainly not. he has a tendency of finding humor in the dark places. >> josh holmes, josh thank you so much. appreciate it. ahead, will america remain in the iran nuclear dooel? the president says he is about to announce his decision. sereny for weakness. do not misjudge quiet tranquility

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welcome back. melania trump unveiled her formal platform as first lady in a rose garden ceremony. trump said child welfare will guide her initiative. >> as adults we can and should be best at educating our children about the importance of a healthy and balanced life. so today i am very excited to announce be best, an awareness campaign dedicated to the most

valuable and fragile among us, our children. >> while on the 2016 campaign trail with her husband, melania trump told voters she wanted to tackle cyber bullying an effort met with skepticism given the often vitriolic tone her husband used on twitter. she pledged today to continue her efforts. the rare public appearance from melania trump comes as the "washington post" reports she and the president lead strikingly separate lives in the white house, including sleeping in separate bedrooms. the president joined the first lady in the rose garden and signed a proclamation declaring today be best day. we are back with more "mtp daily" after the break.

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prices briefly climbed above $70 a barrel. the jump fueled in part by the latest troubles of venezuelan state run oil company pdvsa. but prices pulled back on the word of the upcoming iran deal decision. that's it from cnbc. first in business worldwide. now back to "mtp daily." president trump tweeted today that he will announce his decision on whether or not to stay in the iran nuclear deal tomorrow afternoon. the president has repeatedly criticized the deal and threatened to pull out of it. and the lobbying efforts on both sides are in full force right now. it's not just european allies trying to save the sail deal. the boston globe first reported that former secretary of state john kerry has been quietly meeting with foreign leaders to discuss how to save the deal he helped craft. speaking of undercover campaigns, both "the new yorker"

and the observer in the uk report that an israeli private intelligence firm spied on former obama administration aides involved in the iran deal in an attempt to discredit them. the observer reported that aides to president trump hired the firm. the firm denies those claims. a source told "the new yorker" that the operation was part of work for a private sector client. it's not clear what the president plans to do tomorrow. but it is clear time is nearly up for anyone who change his or her mind. joining me now is chris hill, msnbc diplomacy contributor and former ambassador to iraq and south korea. ambassador, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> if the president pulls out tomorrow, what are the day to day implications for americans? >> first of all, i think he's just ratcheted up the tension for his north korean summit because there is no way he's going to get anything out of the north koreans that's remotely as good as what we've had with the iranians. so that's number one.

i guess number two is every major european power has really put a full-court press, and he doesn't seem to care. so number two is this is going to have some real ramifications in the -- in europe. meanwhile n the middle east, i guess we open up our new embassy in jerusalem. and i guess the israeli prime minister, netanyahu, is going to be very happy, as will the saudis. but at the same time, it looks like we are going to get an even more aggressive iran in that region. so i think we have a lot of problems coming down the pike. and when you look at the landscape out there you just can't believe that a president is basically going to make the decision to add another crisis to that landscape. i still hold out hope in the absence of any information that he might find a way to dodge this bullet that he's aiming right at his own head. >> what are his options? >> how can he, if not dodge the

bullet but save face about it, but not entirely pull out of the deal? >> i think something along the lines that he's talked to the europeans about their plans to really put additional new pressure on the iranians over their missile program. he wants to give them some time to make this work. and he will find some way to kind of slip this. i don't frankly know what that way is. but i think the president would be quite prepared to do something like that if he cared about our european allies. i'm not sure that he does. and i'm not sure that his national security adviser does either. so there are people on the hill of course, republicans on the hill real having some real second thoughts about this. after all, we are entering an election season. it's six months basically from today that we are going to have the mid terms. there has to be some concern that he's just adding crisis on to crisis. so he might want to find a way

to at least kick the can down the road which is something you do a lot in diplomacy. >> a lot of republicans didn't like this deal to begin with and will applaud i imagine the idea of donald trump stepping out of it. bob corker, tim cotton as another, ted cruz potentially. but i asked you about day to day implications a little bit earlier for regular americans, for any american, because there are a lot of folks out there who look at stuff like this who vote ford the president or may not have voted for the president, and say hey listen, i don't care if the president is pushing back on our allies, i don't trust iran, i didn't think the deal was a good idea. when it comes to the kblik implications for americans if we pull out of the deal tomorrow -- i was talking with ian bremmer of the your asia group. he says what he worries about is the price of oil skyrocketing if that does happen. what is your spence? >> yeah.

i think you could have a spike in the price of oil. you might have some reaction in the stock market. i think that would get people's attentions. but i think so we have to remember that the president's polling numbers have been up. the best guess is they are up because there is a perception he is actually engaged in diplomacy with the north koreans and a lot of americans think that's kinds of a good idea. i think this would have the opposite effect there. i would say oil prices, stock market, and maybe a perception that he is managing the interests of the united states internationally. so i think that president has something to think about tonight. but at the same time, i must say most of his advisors seem ready to go ahead and do this and not worry at all about the relationships that we have around the world, especially and including europe. >> what do you think of john kerry lobbying directly with the folks he helped craft the deal with? the iranian foreign

minutecityrster. the french president. the german president fronk walter stein myer. do you think it is a good idea for a former secretary of state to be -- i don't know if it's negotiating, if that's the right term, but trying to talk behind the scenes with folks who help craft the deal when his administration is no longer in power? he's obviously not speaking for the president? >> well, yeah, i think your point is well taken. at the same time, i don't think he is lobbying, i don't think he is taking money from anyone. i think he is just expressing his opinion. >> isn't he engaging in current foreign policy. isn't that an issue that could violate the logan act? >> i don't think he has much to trade on. he clearly doesn't have a lot of influence with this white house. i think he is having some conversations. and i think a lot of americans are doing that. again, i don't think he's got any business interests here. i think he's expressing his opinion. i can see why the president doesn't like it. i can see why a lot of people

don't like it. but we live in fraught times. and frankly speaking when you look around the world these days, i think this is the least of it. >> it's not a bilateral deal between the united states and iran. there are other countries involved. could iran stay in the deal if america decides to pull out? >> well, i think the iranians have said it bess, they will take another look and see if that's possible. obviously, the banking sanctions get very complicated because u.s. banks get involved in every which way. and so it is -- i think it would be very complex and very difficult. i would like to hear from the president. i would like to hear from people who agree with him on why we would be better off getting out of it, and how we would be able to put back sanctions when we're one of many countries. you know, it's one thing to have brought the iranians to the table. but trying to bring them to their knees i'm not sure we have the capacity to do that.

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welcome back. tonight in meet the mid terms, get ready. we are going to have primaries in three big states, all of which were won by trump, and all of which have races worth watching. we already told but west virginia. that's not the only race where it teels like republicans are trying to outtrump each other. the trump contests in ohio and indiana have also turned into loyalty contests over who is the president's greatest ally. there is indiana, where republican todd re kieta has been running an ad featuring robert mueller and a crime which he sees as a witch-hunt. mike braun framed his opponents as creatures of the quote

washington swamp. and luke messer led an effort to get donald trump nominate ford the nobel peace price prize. the govern's race in joeio, mary taylor is running, saying she and trump will build the wall, and end driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. her opponent, dewine has attacked her for not endorsing trurp in 2016. we have got more on these races, plus the fights on the democratic side. that is up next in "the lid." a. get domo. it'll connect us to everything that's going on in the company. get it for jean who's always cold. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew. give us the data we need. in one place, anywhere we need it. help us do our jobs better. with domo we can run this place together. well that's that's your job i guess. ♪

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a mine you were watching the josh holmes interview i did. i found it interesting that this is i guess the republican official position or one of them that don blankenship has engaged in abject racism and that's why you shouldn't support him but you should still support donald trump who he says has not engaged in ab jacket racism. i ran through a couple of thing, including the mexican rapists and the muslim ban. i completely forgot in the moment about poke hands to, him calling senator warren poke hands to. how do you hold those positions that blankenship is a racist and donald trump is not. >> the loud racist are the bad people over there who are audibly and visibly bad and we are not them even though there is a relationship between the folks. with trump, he has been loud and audible and loud in what i take to be his racism and his bigotry. what is interesting is that i

think he also -- holmes also pointed to what happened before, prior to trump's emergence. in some ways he makes a very important point because it directs our attention to what was really driving the tea party. what was that kind underneath it. the kind of animus that really traded on people's fears that then vomited up donald trump. he's a consequence of this stuff, to my mind. >> there were candidates before donald trump was around that engaged in questionable practices. and he pointed to todd aiken among a number of others. the follow-up, the logical follow-up question is what does that say about the republican electorate? >> well, respectfully to josh, i think tim miller was absolutely correct. that the trump candidate in the race is obvious to everyone regardless of what the president said. that they were going to see who was the candidate who evinced this kind of affectation which

is intolerant and lacks a lot of policy but is generally, you know, quick for a fight. that is what don blankenship is. that's what roy moore was. in the moore race, what's interesting is the conservative candidate in that race came in third place. they had a very consistent tea party conservative who was drummed out of that race because he contradicted or rather he was critical of donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape. they want to divorce donald trump is too valuable today to divorce those two things. it is based on that. >> who are republican primary voters? are they republicans the way you know republicans? or is this something else? >> it depends on the race you're talking about. we are talking about 35% of the race. we're not talking about the joy of the republican candidate in

the primarieprimaries. donald trump manages to secure that race throughout the entire primary campaign with about 35%. >> still he won on the republican ticket. wouldn't you say that's a majority of the republican party? >> sure. there are a lot of trump supporters that really hate the republican party and don't usually vote for republicans. so that's exactly why republicans in these races or the republican party at large is in this kind of tug of war between trying to talk about the things that they want the republican party to be which are sometimes not oftentimes not what the base voters, the voters that they need to turn out are going to be. so blankenship is calling himself trumpier than trump. he is completely embracing all of that and we'll see what the results are tomorrow. but you see these candidates in primaries at this point running as closely as they can to donald trump being unashamed about it. doing what they can to endear themselves to him because they want to appeal to those voters.

the question is whether or not that completely backfires in november. right now in these states, they're seeing it as an effective strategy. that's where the republican party is right now. >> are democrats taking as much advantage of that situation as they could? >> to a certain degree. drts have their own issues. right? so you have folks from the progressive side of the party, folks who identify with bernie sanders. folks who identify with elizabeth warren. our evolution, bernie sanders, they're running candidates all over the country. there is in some ways a kind of gravitational force trying to pull the democratic party to the left. and that's happening here. so it's very -- it's a challenge. they're trying to exploit what trump has generated on the republican side at the same time they're trying to deal with id logical fissures in the party. >> i have one more question. a year ago people would have said it was just completely absurd to think that somebody who was accused of child

molestation could run on a winning ticket in a republican primary. it would have been absurd to think a man who doesn't even live in west virginia who was incarcerated for a mining explosion that killed 29 people could run successfully on a republican ticket. a year from now, noah, what are we going to be saying about a republican candidate running in another special election potentially? i mean, where is the bottom here? >> that's a very depressing question. i don't honestly know the answer to that. >> but it's a logical question at this point. >> you could say the chips fell in the right places and you could say senator joe arpaio. that is not beyond the realm of reasoning. there's quite a few bad places that the republican party could go. there's also a lot of recovery that is possible. it's not as though this is an ir redeemab irredeemable party yet. >> when do you say not me any

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is timeless. as roger ebert once put it, if people in power only behave sensibly and with good will, a lot of our problems would solve themselves. of course it is not that simple, but watching "dave" there were moments i found myself asking why isn't it? that is all for tonight. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. >> i didn't know you were such a movie buff. >> i am a movie buff fan. >> other favorite political movie other than "dave"? >> oh, gosh. i don't know. i'm thinking of news movies now. "wag the dog." i liked that. >> great film. >> if we're talking about news movies i think "network" takes the cake. >> do you have a "network" impression you want to do for us? >> no. >> every anchor does. >> i will never do it as well as others have done it. or as in the original movie so i will leave that to you. >> katy tur, thank you very much. we tried to tempt you. tonigheg