good morning, everyone. it's thursday, may 10th. we begin with breaking news. the three men formerly detained in north korea have returned to the continental united states landing at joint base andrews in maryland just hours ago. president trump and vice president mike pence were on hand and trump boarded the plane first to greet them privately before they all came down the steps together. >> i just want to say this is a special night for these three really great people, and congratulations on being in this country. thank you. i'm very honored to have helped

the three folks. they're great people. you know, i got to speak to them on the plane, these are great people, they've been through a lot, but it's -- it's a great honor, but the great -- the true honor is going to be if we have a victory in getting rid of few clear weapons. it was a very important thing to all of us to be able to get these three great people out. we very much appreciate that he allowed them to go before the meeting. it was sort of understood that we'd be able to get these three terrific people during the meeting and bring them home after the meeting, and he was nice in letting them go before the meeting. i mean, frankly, we didn't think this was going to happen and it did. >> two of those men tony kim and kim hak song were held since last spring. while kim dong chul spent 900

days. they're getting further evaluation and medical treatment. the three expressed their quote, deep appreciation to the united states government, president trump and the people of the united states for bringing us home. we thank god and all our families and friends who prayed for us and for our return. god bless america, the greatest nation in the world. >> how does it feel to be home? >> translator: it's like a dream and we are very, very happy. we were treated in many different ways. for me i had to do a lot of labor, but when i got sick i was also treated by them. >> and secretary of state mike pompeo secured their release this week following his meeting with kim jong un in north korea later tweeting quote, i had

productive meetings with kim jong un and made progress. i'm delighted to bring home three americans and while pompeo's first meeting with kim over easter weekend was replete with stern faces, their second meeting, which centered around preparation for president trump's upcoming summit with kim you can see it there appears to have been a little bit more friendly with pictures showing kim and pompeo smiling as we just saw and more relaxed. pompeo also reportedly said in a toast during a lunch in pyongya pyongyang, for decades we have been adversaries. now we are hopeful we can work together to resolve this conflict, take away threats to the world and make your country have all the opportunities your people so richly deserve. listen to this. >> we're starting off on a new footing. this is a wonderful thing that he released the folks early. that was a big thing. very important to me. and i really think we have a very good chance of doing something very meaningful. >> all right.

joining us now from london, nbc news international correspondent and here on set, the global director of the project. let me begin with you. you've been up with us throughout the breaking news but let's try to understand a little bit what the north koreans you think hope to achieve by releasing these three american detainees. >> well, it's the first step into normalizing relations not just with the u.s. but with the world. you know, i'm thinking about kim dong c hurhul there. did he know that donald trump was president? he's been in a work prison and the world has completely changed since the time he's been in detention. when you look at the rhetoric from president trump, when you heard from kim jong un just a year ago, the names that he was calling president trump, the back and forth there, for this

to sort of be the result of that and this to be the first step in a two-step process of course that will culminate with a meeting between president trump and kim jong un sometime at the end of this month is truly incredible. >> the president was asked on the tarmac earlier sorts of what this means with regards to his relationship with kim jong un and looking ahead to the meeting that is going to happen in the coming weeks or so. let's take a listen to him and his answer and then we'll talk. >> my proudest achievement will be, this is a part of it, but will be when we denuclearize that entire peninsula. i really think he wants to do something. i think he did this because i really think he wants to do something and bring the country into the real world. i really believe that, john, and i think that we're going to have a success. i think this will be a very big success. >> as we were covering this live earlier we felt like there was a marked difference in the

president than we're used to seeing in that he seemed sort of more humbled, more careful about the things that he was saying with regards to the meeting and what he could achieve with kim jong un. put this all in perspective for us. what we saw overnight. >> this is another concession in a series of unprompted concessions. so it's trying to build momentum. his confidence building measures, the president is trying to take them into consideration giving them the benefit of the doubt. they're actually doing something in building up to this. on the other hand the skeptical view is based upon history and what's gone on in the past seven decades basically to the point that the ideas that the north koreans are doing this to buy time, extract concessions and they're going to be developing their weapons program secretly. that's the skeptical view. the road to denuclearization is long one, full of twists and

turns but if it pays off it will be historical. if it doesn't we resume the policy of maximum pressure and things can escalate again. >> what has to change this time to change the repetitive cycle, americans being kidnapped, we reach an agreement, it's happened with clinton and others. why and how will this time if at all be different? >> a grand bargain whereby the denuclearization as the president mentioned, real denuclearization, verified and then on the other hand there's that they sign the peace treaty and this normalization of relationships. this is different because in the sense that if -- this other players involved. this is bilateral. a bilateral summit but fundamentally it's a multilateral effort. it involves skra pan, china and this time around there's been two meetings between the leader of north korea kim and president

xi of china which had not taken place before. this seems to be a serious outreach by kim even to the chinese. his existence depends upon china. >> does what happened overnight sort of put the european allies in a difficult position considering their outright -- they were outright against the president's decision to pull out of the iran nuclear deal and now seeing these detainees coming home? >> i think it puts them in a difficult position. how do they deal with the u.s. president, how do they deal with these remarks when it pays off when it comes to north korea. the double edged sword here is of course what we're talking about which is if this summit goes badly we know this president does not respond well to being embarrassed. it almost seems like it were to fall apart we would be looking at military action straight in the face. couple that with what's going on

in iran, israel and syria, i think you're going to hear from world leaders is while the u.s. found success here in north korea, you cannot apply the same strategy that you do to north korea with iran. >> all right. caliperry live for us in london. we'll talk to you in a little bit. the private business dealings of the president's personal attorney come to light, the white house is asking now questions. he cashed in on his association with donald trump. cohen told an associate in the summer of 2017 quote, i'm crushing it. reported payments to cohen or his company during the first year in the administration reaches almost $2 million. at&t half a million dollars. and another 150,000 from korea

aerospace. cohen announced that he would continue to serve as the president's personal attorney in office and said that he would resign from the trump organization, quote, to avoid a perceived conflict. >> so cohen's partnership with squire patten bognanovics w, yesterday the white house would not say what the president thinks about his personal lawyer's clients. >> is the president concerned about any aspect of what we've learned in the past 24 hours? >> as you know due to the complications of the different components of this investigation i would refer you to the president's outside counsel to address those concerns. >> do you know whether mr. cohen ever approached the white house as a representative of any of those companies, whether the president was aaware of the payments or whether he was aware

that mr. coenh was markets himself that way? >> i'm not away and i would refer you to the outside counsel. >> the president promised to drain the swamp so does he feel it's appropriate that michael cohen was selling access to him. ? >> i'm not going to weigh into this. that's a determination that the individual companies have to make. >> has the president taken any act to benefit at&t, korea air space? >> not that i'm aware of. >> so rudy giuliani told him he was not involved with cohen's business before or after the election. and the watchdog is now investigating if banking information involving cohen's shell company was actually leaked. the banking records were first received by the attorney for stormy daniels. it could also give some insight into ou the attorney obtained the sensitive information. he says he will not disclose his

source. cohen's attorney called his conduct in obtaining and publishing the records quote, extremely troubling. >> we're following the very latest on a reported exchange of fire between israel and iran inside syria. >> plus, gina haspel in the hot seat. those stories and of course a check on your weather when we come back.

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dozens of iranian military targets. the israeli military called the strikes its largest ever operation against iranian opposition in syria. >> the white house press secretary is dismissing concerns brought up by the press corps followed by a tweet by the president. fake news isworking overtime. why do we work so hard? working with the media when it is corrupt, take away credentials. here's what press secretary sarah huckabay sanders had to say about that tweet. >> the president today on twitter suggested stripping journalists of their press credentials. is that a line that you would be willing to cross? >> i'm standing up in front of you right now taking your questions. we're very committed to a free press and i think that we demonstrate that every single day. >> you wouldn't be able to ask these questions without these

credentials. >> you are and so you're clearly sitting them asking them right now. >> and out with a statement criticizing the president's tweet writing in part, just because the president does not like news coverage does not make it fake. a free press must be able to report on the good, the bad and the mundane without fear or favor and a president preventing a free and independent press would be unconscionable assault on the first amendment. >> very important point there. let's switch gears for a moment and bring in bill karins with a check on our weather. how's it looking? >> we're coming to an end to the great stretch in the northeast but it's been three or four days in a row. thunderstorms will roll through, so if you have airport plans today, d.c., philadelphia, baltimore, new york and maybe even richmond there will be a period where there will be some holds on the runways as the thunderstorms move through. keep that in mind for the afternoon. the first line round one which brought some severe weather yesterday is now blowing through ohio, not a lot of lightning

strikes left with this. a couple here in pennsylvania. this will die as it heads to i-95 this morning and later on this afternoon we'll get round 2. there's 28 million people at risk of severe weather. and actually does not include new york city but it does include newark all the way back up through the hudson valley. here's a closer view of the area for the slight risk today. eastern pennsylvania, the d.c. area down there to richmond. and the timing of the storm, 7:00 a.m., this line dies as it goes throughout the morning. maybe around philadelphia around noon there could be a shower or two, but by the time it makes its to new york city it dries up. by 3:00 p.m. a new line will form and this line will bring the chance of some of those severe storms with the gusty winds from d.c. north wards all the way through the hudson valley. same for baltimore and new york city that line of storms is approaching right around 5:00 p.m. that evening ride home could be

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welcome back. we want to turn back to the top story of the evening. the three americans freed from north korea. joining us now bobby gosh. obviously a very significant moment but put in context with what we've seen in the past. skeptics may look at this and say this is not anything different than what we've seen over the past 20, 30 years of negotiations starting hostages taken, released. do you see something different this time around? >> this is wide regimes like north korea and iran take these hostages for precisely moments like this. they use them as bargaining chips so we shouldn't be surprised of this. the one point worth noting is that this release happens before the trump/kim meeting so in a

since sense they're giving up something they could have held back for the president himself. this is probably, if you like, ransom because these are hostages done in exchange for pompeo's two visits there. this is not korea acknowledging that the united states is treating it as an equal, as a legitimate world -- an eligible player in world affairs. so that's important that they released them before and they were not holding them back as a bargaining chip. beyond that, you know, this is something that other countries would be paying close attention to. let's not forget, there are a dozen japanese hostages in north korea. there may be more than 400 south korean hostages. north korea does this a lot. it's not just to the united states. >> and jumping off of that point, i brought this up when we were covering the live program but when the south korean president visited kim jong un he

asked for six south korean hostages to be released and they were not released at the time. why do you think that is? >> he's holding them back. >> for what? >> kidnapping, holding them back for something else. there are going to be many, many talks between the north and south korea. if a peace deal is spopossible h kim jong un it is the south koreans who will have to carry a large part of the burden of financing such a peace deal. the money, the investments, the loans that north korea will require to rejoin the international economy, a lot of that money will have to come from south korea and will have to come from china. so as many bargaining chips as he can hold back, kim jong un will hold back. >> if the president is able to achieve a treaty with kim jong un, do you think there's going ton longevity to it? >> i think so. >> considering the history that we have. >> i think it's a big deal that kim has sort of made these gestures. it is a big deal that he went to

south korea. he's made two trips to china to speak with xi jinping. as the president says he's trying to do something. so i think there is -- you know, we've seen north korea go back on its promises before, so we always want to be cautious about our optimism, but this does go beyond the normal parameters of north korean behavior so there is cautious but little bit of room for optimism that this could be the start of something longer. >> and obviously the effect it's going to have the two heads of state meeting face to face. >> that's the biggest surprise that north korea -- the surprise that they have sought for many, many years. >> all right. great to have you. >> still ahead, new questions this morning over whether president trump's attorney michael cohen was selling access to the president. what he has to say about avenatti's claims. >> and does gina haspel have the

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it is the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories. >> and turning back to that breaking news, three men formerly detained in north korea have returned in the united states landing at andrews. trump boarding the plane first to greet them privately before they all came down the steps

together. watch this. >> i just want to say this is a special night for these three really great people and congratulations on being in this country. i'm very honored to have helped the three folks. they're great people. i got to speak to them on the plane. these are great people. they've been through a lot, but it's -- it's a great honor, but the great -- the true honor is going to be if we have a victory in getting rid of few clear weapons. it was a very important thing to all of us to be able to get these three great people out. >> all right. joining us once again from london nbc news international correspondent cal perry and here on set the director of the global strategy project. cal, let's start with the global perspective from london at least, how the international community has reacted to release of these three american

detainees. on one hand going to be welcome news for the families but in the context of global politics how is it playing out? >> you're going to find it hard to find any world leader that this is a great moment. these are the optics that president trump was going for. he's a showman. he even made the comment at 3:00 in the morning that he thought the television ratings for this would have been huge. so i think everybody, you know, in the international community, certainly here in europe is going to be absolutely ecstatic about the denuclearization of the korean peninsula. the hard work is going to have to start now and between the time that president trump sits down with kim jong un and hashes out a final peace settlement. there's going to be suspicion on behalf of world leaders until this is done. >> i know that you're writing a piece comparing what's happened this week with regards to iran, the u.s. pulling out of the iran nuclear deal and seeing these

detainees heading home ahead of the talks with kim jong un. talk about the comparisons there considering the fact that we just pulled out of a knnuclear deal. >> completely different set of circumstances. you have a completely geo political architecture and structure in the region why ere there it's more controlled. major powers are involved there as in the case of iran. north korea borders china. i ra iran does not border china. in terms of immediate importance, the case in the middle east, it's much more fluid. it's much more volatile. it involves a lot more powers, regional powers. here you have a lot more global powers in northeast asia. you have a state that has nuclear weapons. it has developed the ballistic technology allegedly to reach

the continental u.s. with their icbms so i would say two separate sets of circumstances but geographic reality has a lot to play. but looking in terms of consistency and policy there's a lot to -- >> and trust. >> the issue of trust is -- from the iranian perspective how can you trust the united states if they can't keep their word with us. i'd say from the trump administration per speck tifr they'd say it's very different because we have a reliable partner in china, south korea, we have japan and i'll use the word less visibly also russia does have a paper in this. >> to that point, the issue between iran and north korea, you know, if you were in iran right now and you're watching this and you say look what north korea's achieved by having ballistic missiles, by taking american hostages, they got a seat at the table with the president of the united states.

meanwhile iran who has entered into negotiations with the united states now has seen its deal ripped up, sanctions reimposed. >> yeah, and a reenforcement probably of the iranian lesson in the war in iraq. get it to the point where you can offset the threat of american military involvement. i think iran is going to be looking at this with a lot of suspicion and they're looking certainly at the new sort of cadre that surrounds president trump. you have mike pompeo, john boll ton. these are open hawks when it comes to iran. i have to look at the allies and his message of america first. is it america first or america alone? japan is very worried that they accept some sort of deal that does not deal with short term missiles. so how our allies respond to

this is going to be as important i think as the talks themselves. >> i think what's interesting is we see china being a major player in the relations with north korea and sort of, you know, wrapping that whole thing up if it's able to get wrapped up but then china becoming a major player with regards to iran. >> but those sanctions with iran, even the previous regime of sanctions never impacted china. china was exempted completely for that so i'd say in the case in north korea and northeast asia they have a direct stake. while chinese policy in the middle east, they're playing neutral, try to extract as much benefits as possible and this is typical of china in different parts of the world. when it concerns their own neighborhood they're going to be on the front lines but as long as they can extract what they want and the case of iran is an uninterrupted line of natural resources and then i think they're playing a much more wylie game.

>> we'll see what those international companies are going to kind of pull back from engaging with iran so they don't become part of those sanctions. >> and the cia is not apologizing for her role for using enhance interrogation techniques after the september 11th attacks but is vowing not to reinstate those practices if confirmed as director. gina haspel faced tough questions over her confirmation hearing before the senate intelligence committee yesterday at one point being asked outright on her views of the use of torture. >> the president has asserted that torture works. do you agree with that statement? >> senator, i -- i don't believe that torture works valuable information was obtained from senior al qaeda operatives that allowed us to defend this country and prevent another attack. >> is that a yes? >> no, it's not a yes. we got valuable information from debreefzing of al qaeda

detainees and i don't think it's knowable whether interrogation techniques played a role in that. >> in november and december of 2002 did you oversee the enhanced interrogation which included the use of the water board has publicly reported? yes or no? >> senator, anything about my classified assignment history throughout my 33 years, we can talk about in this afternoon's classified session. exposing operational information can be damaging to sources and methods, as you know. >> and as it stands now republican senator susan collins says she'll vote to confirm haspel. meanwhile senators john mccain and others all announce their opposition to haspel's nomination. senator king will have more on his opposition coming up on

"morning joe" later this morning. >> all right. so the drama surrounding trump attorney michael cohen's questionable financial dealings has reached new levels. there's now a serious allegation that cohen was selling access to the president. >> reporter: stunning accusations, the lawyer for porn star stormy daniels alleging the president's personal attorney michael cohen was selling access to the president of the united states. avenatti claiming some $4.4 million flowed through cohen's company after october 2016. >> i think they paid the money to michael cohen probably because he suggested to at&t that he could provide access to the president and could act as a lobbyist. >> and nbc is learning new details about those payments including some from companies that had business pending with the new administration. a senior official at novartis telling nbc news cohen reached out to the company's then ceo promising access to the new

administration. the company says it paid cohen nearly $1.2 million for what was supposed to be advice on health care policy, but soon realized cohen couldn't deliver. that official also says special counsel robert mueller asked about cohen's offer of access. novartis said they cooperated fully. and another major company, at&t paid at least $200,000 to cohen's company saying it was to provide insights into understanding the new administration. the company made the payments to mr. cohen's company at the very time the telecommunications giant was seeking government approval for an $85 billion takeover of time warner. also under a microscope, columbus nova, a u.s. based firm with ties to russian oligarch viktor vekselberg who is linked to vladimir putin. paid $500,000 to cohen's firm. in a statement columbus said it hired cohen as a consultant regarding potential sources of

capital and potential investments in real estate. only months earlier the same account was used to wire that hush money payment to stormy daniels over her allegation she had an affair with mr. trump which he denies. the white house deflecting. >> the president promised to drain the swamp so does he feel it's appropriate that michael cohen, his personal attorney was selling access to him? >> that's a determination that individual kbacompanies have to make. >> a dramatic scene on a new york sidewalk, cohen fired back at avenatti's claims. >> any response? >> his document is inaccurate. >> nbc news have reviewed documents that appear to support avenatti's accounting of the transactions. but quote, the president is not involved in any way either before or after he was president. michael cohen's attorney is now disputing somg of the claims in a new court filing. >> all right. thanks for that report.

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welcome back, everyone. senator john mccain confirms that he gave the controversial steele dossier to james comey. you may recall that dossier is at the heart of special counsel robert mueller's russia probe. he writes he was approached by a former british ambassador to russia. warned of its contents mccain states, i was skeptical that trump or his aides had actively cooperated with russia's interference but even a remote risk that the president of the united states might be vulnerable to russian extortion had to be investigated. the allegations were disturbing but i had no idea which if any were true. i could not independently verify

any of it so i did what any american who cares about our nation's security should have done. i put the dossier in my office safe, called the office of the director of the fbi jim comey and asked for a meeting. did what duty demanded i do. >> let's get a check on your weather now with bill karins. everyone's curious as to what the mother's day forecast is going to be. it's a sneaky holiday too because if you have kids you have to get your wife flowers and your mother flowers. if you've a grandmother, a sister, it goes on and on and on. >> sounds like you need some helpers. >> i think luis is panicking because it's coming up. >> you better get on that. >> let's get to today's concerns and we'll get to the weekend. a line of storms. there's a line right behind it. it's going through ohio, kentucky, some brief downpours. that will dry up by the time it

makes it to i-95. we are going to be watching the storms rolling through d.c., baltimore, new york, philly, right around the time of 3:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. that's the target zone. by 8:00 p.m. i think everyone is all clear. this is today's forecast. southern half of the country, very warm like summer. a little cooler in the northern portions. only in the 40s and 50s today. so let's get into the weekend outlook. getting there first on friday. this is the area of rain that begins our weekend through the great lakes. this frontal system will sit here and not move much. rain moves into southern new england. pittsburgh, detroit to chicago and unfortunately that boundary maybe only sags a little bit on sunday so additional rainfall in these areas on mother's day. so pittsburgh, i'd say indianapolis, chicago possibly, definitely philly and new york, kind of dreary, cloudy and cool. >> you came back to me way too quick because i was showing a face of disgust for the weather for the weekend.

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welcome back. joining us from washington, d.c., with a look at axios a.m., the co-founder, mike allen. very historic night. what is axios' one big thing for this morning. >> looking ahead to the summit and president trump's plan to out-crazy kim. here's what advisers mean when they say that, in unpredictability they tell us is the president's strategy. he thinks that the presidents who have gone on these summits have been overly scripted. he says they're over there trying to analyze what i'm

saying. they don't really know what i'm going to do. he loves trying to watch the media guess what he's going to do. watch the media psychoanalyze him. behind the scenes, president trump says they have no idea. so as he looks ahead, to this summit. he is optimistic about figuring out kim. because the sort of mindset in the white house is as a great quote that someone gave to jonathan swan, they said kim jong un has always been about seeming crazy and trump's approach is you think that's crazy, how about this? >> we're going to quote you on that, mike allen. we're going to be out-crazy crazy, hold my beer, watch this. >> per your reporting, talk about some of the challenges the president faces ahead with regard to the summit in. >> i was watching the special report on msnbc and nbc news overnight we saw the president say my proudest achievement will be when we denuclearize that entire peninsula.

but the key is going to be verifying that. like what does denuclearize mean? that will be the key to how real this achievement is. >> let's switch gears for a moment. i want to ask you about what axios is looking at. something that's lurking in the background. the mid term elections. donald trump jr. has some plans to play a big role what are you hearing in terms of what he plans on doing, in influencing some of the key contests in. >> the president's son is going to be out there a lot. connecting with the base. especially likes the sort of second amendment part of trump's base. the outdoors part. we're going to see him raising money. we're going to see him at rallies. and he's even hiring up andy surabian, an aide who worked in the white house. so don jr. will have his own little operation heading into 2018. >> what are some key states that don jr. is going to hone in on

with regard to the mid-term blitz he's heading into? >> here's a little secret. he's going to states where he doesn't hurt. that's a short list. but the list includes west virginia, where we're told he'll probably go first. we'll see him in indiana, montana, we'll see him in missouri. all very key senate races where he thinks that he can push up the trump base. because here's the key, you have to turn trump voters into republican voters. and you remember with president obama, that was a problem. obama voters weren't always democratic voters, they have to make that transfer. >> i want to ask you also about what axios is reporting and what it's calling the michael cohen avalanche. i wonder what that could possibly mean? but there's obviously a lot of news coming out involving michael cohen. how damaging are these new revelations, and especially their involvement in connection to the president? >> you talk to people around the president. and they say that michael cohen is the most potentially perilous

person for the president. we've been saying for a long time. on your air, that he knows everything, has seen everything. but now separately from that, with all this money revelations that we've seen, on your air, now it's just so much more complicated. and so there's two facts that jumped out at me. one is, from the coverage, you look at the fact that at&t payments to mueller. excuse me, payments to michael cohen. we now know that bob mueller has known about those for at least five months. the at&t statement said they were asked about them in november. so mueller has been focusing on the money trail to cohen for at least five months. that's big. and second, we see the treasury department has started an investigation into the leak of these banking records that the stormy lawyer michael avenatti has been showing on your air and elsewhere. >> incredible developments there. mike allen, thank you very much.

live in washington, d.c. this morning. of course we're going to be reading axios a.m. in a little bit. to all viewers, you, too, can sign up for the newsletter by going to axios.com. that does it for us on this thursday, i'm yasmin vossoughian, along side ayman mohyeldin and louis burgdorf, "morning joe" starts right now. >> we very much appreciate that he allowed them to go before the meeting. it was sort of understood that we would be able to get these three terrific people during the meeting and bring them home after the meeting. and he was nice in letting them go before the meeting. i mean frankly, we didn't think this was going to happen. and it did. >> breaking news overnight, the three men formally detained in north korea have returned to the continental united states, landing in maryland just hours ago. president trump on hand to greet them. saying that kim jong un was quote, nice to let