but i'll be back at 3:00 p.m. with a non-velshi and ruhle. >> and i am stephanie ruhle, i won't see you until monday so happy mother's day. >> oh, yeah. >> he said oh yeah as though he's unprepared for it. >> i just realized this is the friday before, tiff go quickly, bye. >> i was just helping you out. clearly he's going to be doing something tomorrow. right now i hand you off to my friend -- i like it like this. "velshi and ruhle" right like this. right now i hand you off to "andrea mitchell reports." >> the mccain smear. senator john mccain's daughter just now responding to cruel remarks about her father by a trump aide. >> i don't understand what kind of environment you're working in when that would be acceptable and then you can come to work the next day and still have a job. that's all i have to say about it. >> going it alone. former president george w. bush without naming donald trump warning against america's retreat from the world on global issues. >> very important for our fellow citizens to remember these words

from winston churchill "america is indispensable for the world and the dangers of isolation loom." and mergers and accusations, at&t saying today it was a big mistake to hire michael cohen for advice on their pending merger with time warner. despite president trump again claiming he is draining the swamp. [ crowd chanting "drain the swamp." ] good day, i'm ran dree ya mit -- andrea mitchell in washington where family members are speaking out about outrage outs comments about john mccain. trump aide kelly sadler

dismissing the former republican nominee and vietnam prisoner of war for opposing gina haspel to head the cia by joking that mccain is "dying anyway." close quote. here is reaction from his republican colleagues. joni ernst, a military veteran writing, our nation should be grateful for the exemplary service and sacrifice of senator john mccain and treat this war hero and his family with the respect they deserve. jeff flake echoing that with a simple message -- there are no words. and mccain's daughter megan with a forceful response on abc's "the view." >> kelly, here's a news flash, this may be a bit intense for 11:00 in the morning on a friday, but we're all dyeing, i'm dying, you're dying, we're all dying and since my dad has been diagnosed since -- almost a year, july 19, i feel like i understand the meaning of life and it's not how you die, it's how you live. >> that's right.

[ cheers and applause ] >> joining me now, nbc white house correspondent kristen welker, vaughn hillyard as well. kristen, let's talk about this. kelly sadler creating this controversy creating this reaction, for whom does kelly saturdayer will wo er wi sadler work? >> she's a white house staffer and the context of her comments, she was having a meeting, they were talking about the nomination of gina haspel and she effectively said it doesn't matter, senator john mccain is dying anyway. that a response as you pointed out to the fact that he said he was going to oppose her nomination earlier this week. lawmakers on capitol hill were infuriated. we know cindy mccain lashed out on twitter overnight as well but to your point, andrea, the broader context to here and that

i take you to meghan mccain's question, she said how is it possible she still has a job. me it comes against the backdrop of president trump disparaging mccain when he was a candidate. he said he liked people who weren't captured. people thought that would be the end of his campaign but it wasn't. there have been tensions between the two men ever since then. senator mccain saying he doesn't want the president to go to his funeral. so it's raising questions about the tone and what will be tolerated in terms of ethics and the way people are allowed to talk about each other. >> and let's broaden this to the most recent dispute between john mccain and this administration which is over gina haspel. and what john mccain said on wednesday night in a written statement was that when he --

well, what he said literally is that he is now not going to support gina haspel for cia director and the issue is torture. and it was because during her testimony she under repeated questioning from senator camilla harris and others refused to say that torture or waterboarding is immoral. ka she said it's not legal and i would reject an order from the president to do it again and he wouldn't issue such an order, said she, but she never said it was immoral and that's why he said he would not support her. obviously john mccain tortured and john mccain the sponsor of the anti-torture legislation. the mccain legislation that made it illegal in 2015. and, of course, the context that you just pointed out is that the president said that waterboarding wasn't even enough during the campaign. he said he would go further. kristen? >> and senator mccain, andrea, to your point has written very

that he has about the president's views on torture. effectively not only explaining why they're ineffective but why they go against the values of the united states, the united states government, and that's why gina haspel's answers weren't good enough for senator mccain. >> -- he's someone who continues to be engaged in all of these debates but as you point out someone who continues to clash with this president not only on torture but a range of other topics, you'll recall he was the one who voted down one of the health care bill which is infuriated president trump, something that prompted a backlash from president trump. so there is this ongoing tension between the two men, but we really saw it on display over this debate about torture and the cia nominee, andrea. >> and vaughn hillyard who is here with me now, he's just interviewed sarah palin who was criticized in the mccain book

"the restless wave" saying -- the senator saying he had regrets that he did not go with his instincts and bring joe lieberman on to the ticket as his running mate. there would have been a rebellion at the republican convention and that's why he was persuaded to pick someone he didn't know, sarah palin. sarah palin just interviewed here downtown by vaughn hillyard. let's play a little bit of your interview with sarah palin and talk to you on the other side. this is exclusive. >> again, i have a lot of respect for his maverick nature, he going rogue which it would have been going rogue more on the common sense conservative side of some issues but, no, i certainly have respect for many of the things that he's accomplished and so much respect for his family. i love his wife. cindy is just awesome. my husband has a great relationship with cindy, they keep in touch and meghan and i,

kept in touch with her, too, so you know, i just -- i just wanted to be good and positive and comforting and okay for our senator. he's been my friend so i'm going remember the good times. so it's sad to hear he and/or someone speaking for him does have regrets. i want to live my life without any regrets and i hope he finds that kind of peace and contentment also to be able to look back on decisions and realize really things work out the way they're supposed to work out and he can hopefully find some good even and some positive aspect in the decisions he made in the past, even about that campaign. >> the intrepid vaughn hillyard outside the trump hotel with sarah palin as she was leaving town. it was ten years ago this august. i asked her to reflect on that.

you've known him for ten years. i asked her the question about joe lieberman and i said did that hurt you at all? and she said i've never been one to lie and she said "it did a bit." she called it a gut punch which was telling talking to her. we talked for a couple minutes and she was very open. she said it's been several months since she talked with the senator. she said she's in touch with cindy, her husband and well and she's on an e-mail basis with megan. she was here for a fund raiser in d.c., they have still got a property in phoenix that they still spend time at but it was interesting reflections on her part, those two have not -- she was never disparaged -- never disparaged john mccain and when trump called out john mccain as not being a war hero because he was captured, at that time she came out swiftly and called mccain and donald trump heroes.

>> great reporting, vaughn hillyard. kristin, before i let you go, i want to ask you about kirstjen nielsen, the homeland security secretary because according to the reporting today i think this is the "new york times" reporting -- was it the "new york times" or the "washington post," correct me, but in any case, kirstjen nielsen was ripped by the president for as long as a half hour at the wednesday cabinet meeting. she was the deputy to chief of staff john kelly before she became homeland secretary. >> a couple of points i'll make, andrea. it was a "new york times" report that president trump laid into his dhs secretary during that meeting earlier this week. he accused her of not doing enough to secure the border. it went on for an extensive period of time according to that

reporter, a half hour or so. our own pete williams based on conversations with his sources learned that in fact she never penned a resignation letter but clearly a lot of people in the room uncomfortable while this was going on and it does raise questions about her future here. she was a -- one of the people very close to john kelly. he was the person out front terms of pushing her for this position and so he continues to be one of her fiercest defenders, andrea, but raises questions about whether she's going to have a very long shelf life here, dhs, kirstjen nielsen insisting she's not going anywhere right now, she's very committed to the president's agenda but one of the things we'll have to ask sarah sanders about, andrea. >> kristen welker and vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. msnbc political analyst mike murphy is a senior fellow at the harvard kennedy school and former senior strategist to john mccain and joins me now. mike, your initial reactions to all of this?

>> well, like a lot of people who know john mccain well i'm pulling for him but i'm also very offended by what the white house staffer says. this white house, regardless of party, has the lowest bar for staff qualifications that i've ever seen in politics so we have a couple dregs over there and it's amazing she's still employed in the highest office in the land. hopefully that will get rectified today. it was a horrible comment and it shows the culture inside that place which is a depressing thing. >> and another depressing thing is a comment by -- i think a retired military, thomas mcinerney. let me play that for you and get you to react to that as well. i think we're getting that ready right now. so i want to play that for you in a second. but just this whole controversy over john mccain and torture, it's personal, it's also a bigger issue which is the president still has not disavowed what he said about

torture and he's got a nominee for cia who has a stallar career inside the agency, support from all of the former director's of central intelligence and other people but serious questions were raised at that hearing and i believe tim kaine came out today, other senators are joining in, she may have the votes but there's this larger moral question. >> look, the torture issue is a big issue. she had an exemplary career. senator mccain commended her for her patriotism and service. but if you look at this through the prism of the extreme interrogation tactics, mccain has been clear for a long time about where he stands on it. it's a litmus test and legitimate from his point of view to oppose her nomination. he did it on factual grounds and for a childish white house response like this it's -- as i said, it's depressing but ultimately the culture is

controlled by the president. that's how the culture in the white house is set and we've seen donald trump before, for a lot of people, not just senator mccain acting in a coarse and vulgar way so that's part of the new reality of the trump presidency. my guess is republicans have the vote to confirm her, she has support based on her career but i think senator mccain's opposition was not surprising. >> and thomas mcinerney, we have that from fox business, let me play that for you as well. >> do we have to. >> john mccain -- it worked on john, that's why they call him song bird john. the fact is, those methods can work and they are effective as former vice president dick cheney said. >> this is a man -- i don't need to remind you, but for our viewers, this is a man who as soon as he was captured was offered immediate release by the vietnamese because his dad also admiral mccain was in charge of

the entire pacific theater including the vietnam war and he refused release and was put in solitary and tortured relentlessly because he kept refusing and going up against his captors. he refused release because he didn't want to jump ahead and the unwritten code among the prisoners there was first in first out, not last in first ou out. >> yeah, i'm -- you know, i'm speech le speechless. it's easy in the modern era to be a crank on tv. this former general had some conspiracy theories that got him on television before. best ignored. if you compare these charges with the truth and the reputation that john mccain has and earned dearned, it's spit against a battleship. so their five minutes ought to be over and they should go back to the crank world where they

come from and we should focus on senator mccain's service. >> i also want to ask you about george w. bush last night speaking at the atlantic council. he has not spoken out very often if at all. this is the former president of the united states speaking about the importance of noble engagement by this administration and all administrations, without mentioning president trump by name. >> the price of greatness is responsibiliti responsibilities. one cannot rise to be in many ways the leading community in the civilized world without being involved in its problems, without being convulsed by its agonies and inspired by its causes. people in the united states cannot escape world responsibility. i wholeheartedly agree. when we confront suffering, when we save lives we breathe hope into the devastated populatios,s

strengthen and stabilize society and make our country and the world safer. >> the president was speaking, president bush was speaking specifically about what he had done with bipartisan support, with bono's support to try to eradicate aids in africa. stellar agreement that was done through the state department which is being destroyed by the trump budget. but he's also speaking about other issues and most recently, 48 hours ago or a little longer ignoring our european allies in iran. >> it's kind of unthinkable to us who have been around republican philosophy for a lock time. the party has recognized we're the lone hyperpower, superpower and with that comes a certain responsibility. we don't have to be the world's policeman in every case but we lead the orchestra of a free world.

when we go into isolationism, things go into disorder and when it becomes more troubling and dangerous it comes back to our doorstep so we weaken american leadership and from the tpp, which hillary clinton also opposed, to some of the more isolationist things that the president said about nato it weakens us and it's a home run for our geopolitical adversaries and rifles. it's a self-defeating mistake and the president couldn't be more right to remind us about this. >> great to hear from you, great to have george w. bush's comments on. mike murphy, good to see you again. up next, parting words. new details about rudy giuliani's abrupt departure from his law firm. you're watching andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. ls and seamless experience across web and tablet? do you want $4.95 commissions for stocks, $0.50 options contracts?

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and also today, rudy giuliani is out at his law firm in the wake of his headline-grabbing media blitz which may have potentially opened the president to legal vulnerabilities after giuliani revealed mr. trump reimbursed cohen, his lawyer, for hush money payments to stormy daniels. giuliani's now former law firm telling the "new york times" in a statement, quote, we would not condone payments of the nature alleged to have been made or otherwise without the knowledge and direction of a client. giuliani fired back telling the

"times" the firm never raised concerns about his comments and he says he's open to speaking freely without being confirmed about how the law firm will react. joining me now, michael schmidt, one of the "new york times" reporters who broke the story and justice and security analyst matt miller, former chief spokesman to attorney general eric holder. michael schmidt, tell us about the circumstances of your story what this means as far as the law firm is concerned. >> we had been trying to get the law firm for several days to answer the question about what giuliani had said, giuliani basically described that it was sort of a normal practice for settlements to be made without a client knowing about it so we went to the firm for several days trying to get an answer for them and after they parted ways with giuliani they gave us a statement and they didn't have to go on the record but they did and it undercuts giuliani's argument that this is a common

practice, what happened between cohen and arranging the payment for stormy daniels. so this is something the firm was concerned about. they didn't like it and they were concerned about the negative attention coming to giuliani as jay sekulow has rebuilt the president's legal team, told their lawyers they don't want them to represent the president because of some of the negative consequences that can come with it. >> while i have you there, michael, i want to ask you about at&t because at&t has issued a statement saying that this was a mistake hiring michael cohen. they said there is no other way to say it, at&t hiring michael cohen was a big mistake. everything we did was according to law and legitimate but our past association was a serious misjudgment and they have fired the person supposedly in charge

of that. >> it's interesting about these investigations, what we've seen is an underbelly in different type of lobbying that's gone on. there was work about whether he registered properly in the united states, exposing the way foreign money has come into washington. one of the ways mueller is looking at it is the way the uae, were they trying to move money into washington to try to impact things. so the moourm investigation -- obviously the cohen part of this is an outgrowth but it's an interesting development in the sense that this has nothing to do with russian collusion or obstruction of justice, this is a different thing. >> i want to bring up to both of you that rosenstein spoke at a commencement -- he gave a commencement speech at campbell

university against the context of what vice president pence said to me yesterday morning, around 4:00 a.m. yesterday, that it's time after a year for mueller to wrap up his probe and now within the last hour or so the trump/pence reelection campaign put out a statement quoting the remarks by the vice president to me, that it's time to wrap it up. so it seems to be they are ramping up more pressure on robert mueller once again, this is rosenstein at a commencement speech. >> lawyers who seek the truth frequently confront roads that diverge. controversy, stress, and difficult decisions define our daily existence. this is definitely a career for the faint of heart. >> matt miller? >> for the last few weeks, we've seen rod rosenstein increasingly pushing back on the campaign being conducted by members of the house of representatives at 100 pennsylvania and the president at the other end of pennsylvania against rod rosenstein and bob mueller and i

think back to that report julia ainsley had a month ago that rod increasingly is at peace with the idea of getting fired and he'll do what he thinks is right. he's had a troubled time as deputy attorney general. he helped the president fire james comey, he signed off on it. he's been wishy-washy on how he would handle things, would he follow the facts and the law or side with the president? but increasingly in the past few weeks it seems he's decided he's going to do what he thinks is right and he'll stand up to anyone that tries to tell him to stop, whether it's someone in congress or the president and he increasingly is very public in sending these messages. >> matt miller, michael schmidt, thank you both very much. coming up, rising tensions, air strikes, clashes along israel's borders just days before the new american embassy is to open in jerusalem. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on mgs nbc. we came here for the friends.

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fears today that the middle east is once again on the brink of a widening conflict as the confrontation between iran and israel is threatening to expand. israeli rockets and bombs struck dozens of iranian military targets inside syria thursday.

israel called it a counterattack after iran fired some 20 rockets at israeli military sites in the golan heights cause nothing injuries. this as the u.s. consulate in jerusalem officially becomes the american embassy on monday with a big ceremony, president trump planning to greet the audience at the embassy opening via video. joining me now, richard engel from jerusalem. richard, thanks for being with us today, first of all, this expanding conflict you've been tracking from both sides between israel and iran seems almost with a green light from the administration after its withdrawal from the iran nuclear deal. >> it certainly did appear very coordinated. israeli officials say this didn't catch them by surprise, that they knew it was coming so to speak. so to paint the scene of what happened, president trump, although he always said he would do it did come out and say he was not going to keep the united states in the deal.

there was a lot of rhetoric, there was a lot of concerns and then short time after that we see this very rare exchange of fire between israeli forces and the golan heights and iranian forces but not iranian forces in iran, iranian forces in syria. for a long time there has been this shadow war going on between israel and iran in syria, it's been hidden by the civil for what that country. yesterday was the first time iranian forces inside syria fired at iranian forces in the golan heights and it was considered quite anan escalatio but they believe the tension has died down. they're not expecting another round of tit for tat firing between israeli and iranian forces but that leaves the issue

of jerusalem, the city where where i am right now. >> yesterday the treasury imposed new sanctions on iran's central bank and anyone doing business with iran's central bank through the uae, obviously one of the two other countries very supportive of withdrawing from the iran nuclear deal so there is the beginning of a choke hold on iranian commerce. a any company will have to decide do you want to do business with companies with u.s. dollars, which is the biggest marketplace, or tehran? >> we saw concerns about that with france and germany saying don't punish us for abiding by the deal that was agreed to by the world powers because if you remember correctly -- and you do, this deal stopped the

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transatlantic group looking at the undermining of our democracy. this is about the ability to have democratic discourse and it's not something just in the u.s., it's been going on in europe for some time so the idea is to bring together the best information we have and come up with solutions. >> one of the thing that's happened recently is the new national security adviser, john bolton, is eliminating the cyber warriors from the nsc, is that wise in this context? >> the important thing to remember is the operational cyber warfare activity occurs at dhs or at d.o.d., department of defense or the fbi in terms of investigation. >> could there be some way to coordinate it? >> i think as long as the operators who are stilled at

doing their job we are building good capabilities to defend ourselves. >> i've heard concerns from mexican officials where they have an election july 1, the french pushed back. russia is operating this way all over the world with propaganda, it's information warfare as much as anything else right now. what about the lack of a forceful statement about this from the president or his top officials. >> well, i would say i think the intelligence community has come out and finger it had russians as being responsible for these information operations. department of homeland security has talked about these operations and we have a grand jury that's inindictmented 13 russians specifically on activities in the 2016 election so i think it's beyond debate that the russians have been engaged in this and doing this for years. >> you're a former prosecutor. you know the legal system. the vice president said at

andrews air force base that it's time for mueller to wrap up his probe. this is mounting pressure and-the-put out a campaign press release an hour or so ago, trump/pence reelect quoting from that interview and saying as the vice president says, time for mueller to wrap it up. what about this pressure on a prosecutor who is in the middle of an investigation? >> prosecutors are used to getting pressure and push back from people that are in some way involved in the investigation. i don't think for one moment bob mueller is going to give into pressure so it will run its course and what will happen will happe happen. >> the president had a 30 minute tirade against homeland security secretary for supposedly failing to be tough enough on the bor r border. she threatened to resign, is not resigning. >> kirstjen nielsen has a long background in homeland security.

she was at the white house when i was secretary. >> john kelly was on national public radio talking about immigration, i wanted to play that for you. >> let me tell you the vast majority of people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. they're not criminals, they're not ms-13 but they're not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. they're overwhelmingly rural people. the countries they come from fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are the norm. they're coming here for a reason and i sympathize with the reason but the laws are the laws. >> i'm struck by the fact that my grandparents from russia, perhaps your grandparents or

your great grandparents didn't know english perhaps, maybe were rural people, quote/unquote, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to immigrate into the united states. >> then i think there are all kinds of ways you can add value to the united states and people who are hardworking and do jobs that can be dangerous and difficult certainly do add value but you have to obey the law. and if people come in here legally they can't simply be given amnesty. so i think what secretary kelly or chief kelly is taking about is recognizing the law has to be obeyed and we have to make adjustment ins the law perhaps to accommodate those who have been here for a long period of time but there should be a recognition that the law has to be vindicated. >> i think actually when someone applies for asylum in the correct way, in other words they

don't enter illegally, they should be given every consideration the law allows, there are people who genuinely are in fear for their lives, you have a lot of disorder south of the border, including violence and if it meets the legal criteria for asylum and people apply in the right way, they should get the benefit of asy m asylum. and one thing i think john kelly understands is the challenge often begins south of the border. societies that don't have a rule of law that don't have law and oorder that are creating the conditions that people are fleeing from. so part of what we ought to do is make sure we're building those societies and stabilizing them. >> i want to ask you about john mccain. you worked with him for years. one white house official, a former military person described him as song bird john. >> mccain is an american hero in every sense of the word and everybody knows the story about how he was offered early release

from hanoi because of the fact that his father was important and he refused to leave and he said i'm going to stay here until the last man leaves. this is a real american hero and people may agree or disagree with some things but you can't doubt his character, his integrity and dedication to the country. >> michael chertoff, such a pleasure to see you. >> good to be here. thank you. and coming up, what john kelly is saying about the president and russia investigation, could it get him in trouble? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. it takes to replace it. what what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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white house chief of staff john kelly, trying to put to rest rumors he's on the outs with his boss president trump. saying they have a close relationship but could be put to stress again under these comments. >> there may not about cloud. certainly the president is embarrassed frankly when world leaders come in, bibi netanyahu under investigation himself. the first couple minutes of your conversation write revolve around that kind of thing. >> exchanging notes on their

mutual investigations? the inside scoop from betsy woodruff, from "the daily beast and and from the "political garden." first, plenty of reports he's on the outs, yet hanging on, going on npr today. what's the temperature on john kelly now? >> seems to be fairly static. no indication his firing could be eminent. for any white house official you're always on thin ice. this white house has seen so much turnover you could safely guess that way who would be the next to leave. kelly went on the offense going after mueller. picking up the team line there. of course, vice president pence told you he thought mueller needed to wrap up his probe.

rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer says twice this past week he thought the probe needed to end. kelly being a team player joining the growing drumbeat of people in president trump's inner circle calling for an end to the probe. >> something else said about the effect of being in the white house -- >> these times of great frustration, mostly because of the stories i read about myself or others that i think the world of, and wonder if it's worth it to be subjected to that, but then i grow up and suck it up. >> a military hero, been through a lot. afghanistan, iraq, whatever, and has to deal with the pettiness of the white house as well as critical reports on some of his own behaviors. sabrina? >> i think eat of people thought john kelly came into the administration as a moderating force, someone able to rein in the president. we've seen time and again there is no reining in the president.

trump will be trump and it was in the early days of kelly on the job that the president had his response to charlottesville, when talking, for example, about the way in which russia has ban cloud on the presidency, kelly ignored it's the president so fixated on the investigation and has been a distraction for him and rendered him incapability of overseeing his agenda. a lot of people see kelly as part of a higher calling, seeing it as a service, trying to prevent the president from doing certain things. ultimately, anyone who works in this administration is realizing you do become part of the cull d y toxic and you become a part of it. >> asked in the roosevelt room today about scott pruitt.

11 or 12 separate investigations into scott pruitt's bree hehavid questionable activities. a question just now about scott prui pruitt. >> do you have confidence in administrator scott pruitt? >> yes, i do. >> think he's doing a good job. >> thank very much, everybody. thank you. >> kchhe has confidence in scot pruitt? >> important. so many of the president's st s staff don't have confidence in him. they feel he deceived some of them about some of the ways that he engaged in behavior, created critical problems and see him as a liability, a millstone around the neck of the administration. the fact the president came out said he's still confident in pruitt shows something of, kind of a last lifeline for pruitt. the most important thing and the only thing pruitt has going for him.

>> sabrina a chance to react to something else kelly said. as the grandchild of immigrants, i have a lot -- a lot of thoughts about what he said about those people who come here and have difficulty assimilating. could include the irish, italian, certainly the jews and a lot of other people escaping from -- escaping from repression elsewhere. >> studies have shown that historically immigrants do assimilate well pup see the generational impact of that in children often outperforms their parents. precisely the kind of opportunity immigrants come to this country in search of. talking about undocumented immigrants, kelly referred to in his comments. he ignored the fact this is a population living in the shadows. barriers are preventing undocumented immigrants from being able to fully integrate socially, economically and politically. his comments, if anything, are more illustrative of the attitude towards immigrants within the administration driving the presidential agenda of which kelly himself is a true

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former vice president joe biden has just released this statement to nbc news about john mccain. "people have wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration. it happened yesterday. john mccain is a genuine hero, man of value, sacrifices

immeasurable. as he fights for his life, he deserves much better, so much better. this staffer is not exception to the rule. she is the epitome of it. our children learn from our xoompl. the lingering question, whose example will it be? i am certain it will be john's." this is a news statement from joe biden to nbc news. that's it for us. craig melvin takes over. >> thank very much. msnbc headquarters in new york city. more on that in a minute. backlash to disrespect. mocking john mccain for not backing gina haspel. many wonder why that aide has a job this morning. and getting away with murder. what trump said about how much charged for medicine. now,