that does it for me. i'm david gura. you can join me tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. great interview. have a very good afternoon. see you tomorrow. i'm richard at msnbc headquarters. walking it back. rudy giuliani attempts to clean up a controversial claim that president trump intervened in the at&t time warner merger decision, plugging the leaks, new reporting that sarah huckabee sanders criticized her press team for leaking that insensitive comment.

but where's the apology. while there's been silence, democrats and republicans are praising the arizona law maker. >> bill, any response to white house aide saying that john mccain's opinion doesn't matter because he's dying? any response to that? >> my lifetime, he's one of the most remarkable patriots our country ever produced. >> stormy daniels' lawyer. >> i'm going to out him. we're going to bring all this stuff to light. so, if you're out there, and you have stuff relating to your relationships with michael cohen that you're concerned are going to come out, you should be concerned z because they are going to come out. >> there was the challenge. we're going to start this hour with some new reporting for you. nbc news speaking with president trump's new lawyer, rudy giuliani this morning on several topics, including whether trump will agree to an interview with

robert mueller and in what circumstances and whether president trump directly interfered with the merger. let's bring in geoff bennet. what did we learn? >> reporter: well our colleague reached out to the former new york mayor and he clarified some comments that he made in an interview with huffington post which seemed to indicate that president trump himself intervene the directly to stop the planned merjtser between at&t and time warner. giuliani said the president did no such thing. he also said the president had no prior nonl of michael cohen's consulting deal with at&t. reason why that matters, of of course is that the suggestion that cohen was in some ways inproperly influencing the administration given he accepted large sups of money as we now know from at&t and other clients. also advancing the story on the

potential sit-down between president trump and especially counsel robert mueller. remember giuliani joined the legal team with the specific intention of bringing about a quick decision on that front. he tells our kelly o'connell he hoped to have decision by next week but it was delayed by the return of those three americans who were detained in north korea. other thing we should add here is that julianny says that he hope to make some fuss, make a little fuss was the phrase he used next week on may 17th which marks the one year anniversary of the day robert mueller was appointed. trying to make the point that the russia probe has gone on for so long. richard? >> yet we know the numbers to that. it has not gone on that long based on previous investigations. while we've got you at the white house, also, i guess more information on kelly sadler, specifically, a leak on the leak if you will. >> reporter: that's right.

it appears at this point the white house would rather have us focus on the leak, the fact that this crude and cruel comment made its way to the press rather than the fact that it was said in the first place. i think prance the best illustration of that is the comment nick mulvaney, comments he made on tv earlier today saying that yes, the comment was offensive, but that it should have never been made public. take a look. >> i think the remarks are awful but let's look at this in context. that was said in a private meeting inside the white house. it's not like -- you might say something really nasty about this off the air and it doesn't have that much impact. you come on air and say it that's a problem. this was a private meeting inside the white house, it was a badly considered joke and awful joke. >> given that new reporting we also have sort of an inside look at what was happening at the white house yesterday as some of this was unfolding. sarah sanders is reported to

have been outrage that white house staffers were turning on each other. five of them at least, and leaking it to them. also, in this reporting, white house strategic communication director it quoted as saying put this on the record. i stand by kelly sadler. i reached out to her and was told she did make that comment and that they're really concerned about the leaks. i also asked whether or not kel kelly sadler had apologized to the mccain family. source didn't know for sure but the fact she reached out it self-was an indication she now she did something wrong. >> let's go to the political columnists and also alex, digital reporter for nbc news. alex, start with you on this. getting all the very latest in terms of who said what and how

it's getting out of the white house. just to build on what jonathan swan was reporting today, when they are in the white house, they don't feel inclined to open their mouth because of what's been reported as of late. it gets out of the white house and leaks upon leaks, what is the state of white house based on these latest pieces of reporting? >> well, it's not pretty. although i'm not sure why they're so focussed on the leaks as if it's some kind of piece of evidence here. if you put a microphone in any campaign i'm sure i'll get a lot of comments that would not look very good in the bright light of day. but the fact is it's now out there and how are they going to respond to it. so far they haven't followed any kind of past presidents where you would potentially fire the aide or at least apologize. the we're now days into this thing. so, they're trying to claim the leaks are the problem. but that's their problem. their own team that's leaking. their communications team. the press is doing its job by

trying to find out what's happening inside the white house. >> betsy, as alex was saying, previous administrations you would see quick action with comments such as this. why don't they just put this out and say we're going to let her go. we're going to reprimand her. why isn't that happening? because at this point, the white house cares more about solidarity with its own internal employees than it does about making a gesture that would be quite significant to the mccain family. additionally i can tell you that within the white house they actually do view this as a leak problem rather than as a joke problem. of course, there's the understanding that sadler shouldn't have said what she said but it seems to be the case that comments like this are not necessarily few and far between. and the comment itself apparently didn't cause as much consternation as it could have. that said, this white house has caused enormous problems for it 168. the leak of the comment was the political equivalent of stepping on the upturned tines of a rake.

it's not the first time this white house has sabotaged itself. remember the criticism from republicans on capitol hill. there's the comment that the president himself made about countries as being s-hole nations. we could spend all day talking about examples of ways this white house has damaged itself. fact that this white house is more concerned about the leak than the joke is just another indicator that trust is a huge problem. that professionalism they view to be as a huge problem and this is a press team that's currently right now in crisis. >> one of the silver linings, whether, again, a leak or a joke, as you're saying there, dana, what does this say about the glass half full about john mccain? what does it say about his influence upon this beltway. he hasn't been there in five months. he's been battling cancer and so many folks coming out in defense

of him. what does it say about who he is and what he stands for and what that might mean for the beltway? >> you make a good point because think about the k-- john mccain was able to create. but in a good way. in this case. he's not in all likelihood coming back to cast a vote. but, just the very fact that he can talk about this, he can have this book released, he has, i think, for decades, been sort of a conscience of the nation. in many ways, there have been times when he's fallen short of that, but certainly when it comes to torture, corruption, money and politics, he's really been this voice that you can't really quarrel with. now, some in this white house do quarrel with it. i think the fact that this person was not fired, that there's no apology coming forth, i think that is partially

because she's not saying anything, perhaps saying it in a more course way. not anything that the presidenth united states hasn't said before in his awful ocondemnation of john mccain, war service, everything else. to me, this is just screaming out saying what she did was okay, if a little bit unorthodox in the choice of words. >> as we stay on the white house, and what's happening there, in that big white building i want to go to john kelly in an npr interview, rare as all three of you know for him to come out and speak. i guess the takeaway is we heard from him in ways we don't often do. what would you say? obviously the comment about immigration. >> that's right. so what john kelly said was that part of the problem with immigrants coming to this country today is that a lot of them come from essentially third world or backward countries, rural, not educated, not able to

assimilate. he's already trying to walk that back a little bit as he's often had to walk back the few interviews he has given in the past. and i think to dana's point here, this is not that different from what trump himself has said. so while he is sparking controversy about this, it is in line with trump's wider view, and it's -- understandable he's the chief of staff. hugely important in immigration view, so it speaks to how trump views this issues. >> betsy, he also said the president was embarrassed about the mueller president obam-- pr. >> if secretary kelly or general kelly, i should say, who's so close to him claims he feels shame about it, we should take that assertion seriously. what's really important is there's a growing call on the right for the mueller probe to be hobbled if not shuttered.

not members of congress to slow it down. find creative ways for mueller to do his job. additionally the president's lawyer said on air i believe last weekend more than once that he thought mueller needs to get the investigation wrapped up. even though he hasn't ruled out indictments. and vice president pence told andrea mitchell on this network he thought the probe needs to get wrapped up shortly. fact that general kelly is making these same comments just shows how much frustration there is with mueller. >> dana, what are you seeing then? might he speed it up? although it's not nearly as duration of previous investigations. >> right. i was thinking if this were ken starr, i think we'd be in year one of six. not exactly. as a matter of a pr consideration, it might be a good time to -- for another shoe to drop from this centipede of

mueller investigation that might give some indication that things are happening out there. and the polls do gradually turn more pessimistic about the mueller investigation as time drags along. the strategy that the white house, administration is pursuing is actually a sensible one. they can't get rid of the investigation. they haven't thoroughly been able to discredit it. they can at least say get it over with. >> centipede, some might say millipede at this point. thank you. have a good saturday. still ahead, more fallout over michael cohen's million dollar business deals in the aftermath of president trump's election. and uncensored. i'll talk to a dunkin donucandi congress who has a few choice words. in a new ad.

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you have giuliani who's supposed to be helping come out and say well it didn't matter because he was so ineffective. he didn't help. but it was the president who came between at&t and this merger deal. what does it say to you that they're having to reverse on that but you do have him at least suggesting there was a direct relationship paid to play for at&t? >> i hope he keeps talking

because every time he talks, our case gets better. >> stormy daniels' attorney reacting to the latest reversal from president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani now saying the president did not intervene to stop the merger. but just yesterday, he told "the huffington post" the president denied the merger. they didn't get the result they wanted. giuliani was apparently trying to establish that trump's long time lawyer did not improperly influence the administration on behalf of companies like at&t. that have paid cohen large sums of money after trump's election. but just like his earlier comments about payments to stormy daniels, he gagain appeas to be making things difficult for the president. weighing in, the president saying the antitrust division is opposed to the at&t purchase of time warner in a currently ongoing trial. let's bring in yahoo! chief

investigator correspondent and barbara mcquaid. let's start with this. is it illegal? >> well, is what illegal? it's such a broad question. but for president trump to be interfering with the merger? >> nae >> that's correct. >> ordinarily you want them to make this on a legal basis, looking at the market share and those kinds of issues. role in president trump becomes problematic especially if he's doing it in exchange for a payment. that's where it become rs really probl problematic because concerns arise. >> what about michael coentakhe taking in money? >> really interesting. public corruption prosecutors look at this and the question they ask themselves is it crime or slime. you would have to show not just people paying him for his knowledge and expertise and access, but that he is using

that influence to affect administration decisions, conspireing. if you could prove up that his payments were influencing this decision for at&t, although i'll note the decision has gone so far adversely to at&t based on what president trump has said, but if you could make the case that the payments were in exchange for an official act, then you could have a case of bribery, extortion or some other crime. i don't think we're there just yet but i think there's damage that occurs because it raises a perception. that perception can be very problematic as well. >> mike, as you covered the beltway here, take away the optics for a second. how common is this back and forth? trying to buy, if you will, information, expertise, from somebody that's close to an administration? >> that may be the dirty little

secret here, that what michael cohen was doing is a form, or rather crass form, of what goes on all the time on k street inside the beltway. with big companies hiring politically connected people on both sides, because they think in some way, it's going to help them either legislatively or with the executive branch, and part of that dirty little secret is not a whole lot of work is done in exchange for these big bucks, in fact, if you talk to the companies, as i have, that michael cohen was getting paid for and press them on exactly what exactly he did, because remember, he didn't register as a lobbyist, they say they didn't -- the companies say they had no expectation that cohen was going to talk to people in the white house, talk to the president on their behalf. so, what was the work product here? insights into how donald trump

thinks? i mean one could glean that on twitter any morning. and beyond that, it's not clear, michael cohen did much of anything. >> mike, you know this -- when trump came into power, it was a bit of a black box. he was bringing in a structure of government that none had seen before. these companies perhaps were really grasping at straws in terms of how to understand the way they were thinking, right? because he was not ascribing to the typical -- >> but look. look at the issues at&t said it was hiring him for. regulatory issues before the fcc. antitrust issues with the merger. these are areas to say the least that michael cohen had no demonstrated expertise in whatsoever. same goes for hiring him about pharmaceutical regulations. these are not issues he knows anything about. and yet, there are the companies paying him all this money.

like i said, it's no the unheard of in washington. this happens more than you might think. it's just that with michael cohen, sort of the band aid just ripped off and you can see it. >> barbara, you heard avehim sag at the end, stormy daniels and the president. >> i don't know exactly what his end game is. but it seems that all of these allegations are increasingly putting pressure on president trump perhaps at some point to reach a septembttlement so she tell the story. what's interesting she's already told her story. i don't know what else she wants to disclose. but i suppose the mounting pressure at some point could cause him to settle the case so he'll stop adding to the layers of damage that keep going. and i imagine that there are additional companies who have

made payments to michael cohen that we don't know about yet. these appear to have come from suspicious activity reports. there are probably other payments that happen that did not generate a suspicious activity report. michael avanatti may know additional names. i know he's sort of issues that public challenge to companies that if you know you're one of them you ought to come clean because if not he'll disclose it. i don't know if that's a bluff or he really has those names. >> we shall see. thank you so much. michael, thank you. breaking news just in to us here in new york. this coming out of france this hour. police now investigating a multiple stabbing near the paris opera. officers are telling nbc the suspect was heard shouting ala -- before attacking several people. we're looking at live pictures from paris at the moment.

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we're staying on top of the breaking news coming out of paris france at this hour. this just happening moments ago, police investigating a multiple stabbing near the paris opera. we understand that at least, according to police sources there, at this 10:29 p.m. local hour at paris that two are dead. euronews is at the scene. what we see now are several law enforcement there with guns, standing in the streets at the moment. what are you seeing? >> i just saw you a ambulance leaving the scene. i am as close as you can get to the scene of this attack that according to local sources

happened just over two hours ago here in the heart of paris, really the opera is located right in the center of the city. i see more ambulances coming out of the scene now. i spoke to a police officer just a moment ago and he told me the situation is now under control. but as he understands at least six people are badly injured, two people have been killed tonight, one a victim, and one the assailant that was shot by police after, according to eyewitnesses, he tried tasing him, tried stopping him but eventually had to shoot him. according to witnesses two shots were fired and that assailant is now confirmed dead. >> do we have any understanding of who the suspect is and why he may have undertook this specific attack with a knife that we believe to have happened? and put it in context there of

the paris terrorist attacks of 2015 which terrorized this country and city. >> of course. as of yet, we have absolutely no idea what his motivations were. whether or not this actually -- we don't know the identity of the suspect or his motives. i'm seeing a lot of people walking around here and they're puzzled. local media have been reporting about this incident for the past hour or so. but a lot of people have been out and about. it's saturday night. weather is nice. people have been out and about enjoying the weekend, so not a lot of people understand exactly what has been going on here in central paris. as you said, 2015 was a very difficult year for paris. it was the first time france was really targeted, first with the newspaper that was targeted and

then the horrific attack here in paris in november. all that kind of continued and never really stopped. they became targeted, repeated attacks either by organized groups of people, or by lone wolfes. that attack in the south of france in nice during the festivities of bastille in july in the heat of the summer here in paris where at least 100 people were killed during a parade. this is a country still very much in shock of course every time these things happen. people get scared. people get worried but of course they do live on. as of yet, we, a lot of people here are trying to understand what exactly happened and of course who this person was and what were his motives. >> let us know, now, this looks to be a busy part of paris, or

there are very few parts that are not busy in paris on a friday night. what part of town is this? is this where folks tend to be out during the evening? again, it's around 10:30 p.m. local time. give us that context. >> absolutely. this is the opera. second district of paris. it's very central. very popular area for locals and tourists alike. i'm seeing, despite the fact that this area is cordoned off, there are a lot of police officers, a lot of police cars. there are firefighters, ambulances. but there's still a lot of people walking around, this is a busy part of town. and there are theaters, some of the witnesses that we've been speaking to were actually coming out of theaters, around this area, and they were told to remain inside, despite the fact that the play had ended. we were told to stay inside and

some of them then reported hearing gunshots. and so, yes. very busy part of town and i'm seeing right now a lot of tourists walking around completely lost. they have no idea what happened. very little information. police are not able to inform people on what's happening. i spoke to the officer in charge of this area on the south side of the crime scene, treating this as a crime scene and he told me all he could tell me right now is that the situation is under control. >> all right. our news partner there in paris, france. correspondent from euronews with the very latest. friday night -- saturday night, 10:34 p.m. we'll continue to stay on top of this at least one dead. we believe also that the alleged attacker also dead. six injured in this stabbing. thank you so much. we're going to take a short break and be right back.

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. well preparations are under way for next month as historic summit. this coming on the heels of president trump's withdrawal from the iran nuclear deal. joining me now the former ambassador to the yieted nations. let's start with the iran deal. this is because of recent developments. united states now with drawing from the deal.

as we look at it. there's also now reports that cyber activity, attacks have increased since that withdrawal, coming from crowd strike. they're reporting that. also the removal from the white house, i should say of a position potentially that focuses on cyber security. so there's lots of things happening just within days after with drawing from the iran nuclear deal. what are you seeing? >> well, first of all, i think we're going to have to wait and see how the iran situation plays out. some of it may happen in slow motion because even though we've with drawn from the deal, i don't think iran necessarily wants to act precipitously. i don't think they want to pull out if they can help it because they still -- the agreement still is in force with the other parties, all the europeans and security council of the united nations. as far as compliance with the agreement is concerned, they'll probably wait and see. whether they rachet up some the

asymmetrical activities that's entirely plausible. i'm not sure i know enough about the attribution of these particular attacks to say it was definitely iran reacting to what we did but certainly plausible. >> what about this? you've seen the statements comes from the ayatollah. these are the statements translated, quote, death to america, death to israel. where are we at? >> well, i mean you know, they see us with drawing. certainly don't see it as a friendly gesture. information i think it suggests we're going to take a firmer stance vis-a-vis iran, not only on the nuclear agreement, but also with respect to the activities in the rest of the middle east. efforts to subvert these different countries. so i think they probably see a tougher administration when it comes to relationships with them and more supportive of israel, which as you know has taken a pretty strong stand on iran in the last few days.

>> also coming from the leadership saying they still continue to develop the nuclear program. in israel, as you know, on monday is the ribbon cutting being moved to jerusalem. that would not only fan fare but seen as a head nod as support to israel. that complicates middle east peace negotiations should they continue. >> right. that is sort of the conventional wisdom, but i've always felt and i worked quite a bit with -- on the issue of israel and the palestinian peace process when i was ambassador in the united nations. i think it's always important to be publicly supportive of israel. if we have positions to advocate to them, suggestion that they make a concession here, there, or in some other way, that that ought to be done privately and through quiet diplomacy. >> sure.

>> but right now, i think the key point is there is no real diplomatic activity going on between israel and the palestinians so it's a little bit of a moot point. we're carrying out a promise we made a long time ago. and i think it will create sensation for a short period of time and dust will settle. >> china, quickly, what does that mean to the discussion happening in singapore in 15 seconds if you can. >> well i think the singapore is an excellent place. it's a friendly country to us, but it's well lodged in the middle of the southeast asia. china is going to have a role in this process no matter what. they've got to be a factor. they're one of the countries whose security is affected by what happens. we're going to have to work with china in reaching an agreement on this situation. >> thank you so much. >> thank you richard.

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♪ >> pat davis democratic candidate for congress joins us. you're smiling. why are you smiling, sir, after seeing that response coming from the nra? i'm not sure we expect at the nra to respond when we put out our ad but it's been pretty funny to see that sort of cheesy response they put out. >> is that why you used -- >> that why you used the explicative because you did want their reaction? >> well, we've been waiting for the nra to get on board for helping us with gun laws for years, i think what got to that place is expressing a sense of being fed up. being polite gets us thoughts and prayers. this got their attention. >> so, sir, you are shooting survivor. you're also a former police officer. you have passed gun laws. what is it that you think was

appropriate based on your background in using an explicative. some saying did you have to go that way? it's not the idea of decorum many want in congress. >> well, i think, for any other issue, i think that may hold true. but i've been a police officer, as you said, and responded to far too many shootings, far too many mornings moms and dads wake up without their kids. i used to teach little kids how to turn their desk over and point it at the door if a bad guy came into the school. that was 15 years ago. nothing has changed. we are frustrated. i'm just expressing what gun violence survivors and victims have been expressing amongst themselves and out loud for years. every idea we came up with looked exactly like every other ad we'd seen and they hadn't worked. somebody finally just said that phrase. and we were all like, you know what? that's right. let's talk about it. >> would you continue to air this ad if you had to rethink

it? will you do it up until the vote in june? >> well, we only ran it one time last week because we weren't sure the station would run it. >> they did. >> they station would run it. >> they did. >> and the response we have gotten. and they have gotten it to work for what you said, free speech in politics and elections and democracy matter so that we should have the abilityb to call out the nra for what they are and what they are doing and to challenge them at a place that gets the attention, and that is what this ad does, and i will keep running it as long as it keeps the conversation moving forward and people are responding in a way that want to see us air it. >> those who support the nra is saying what if they were to use the same profancy and they ca t can't, because they not -- profani profanity, and they can't, because they are not candidates, but if they did like you? >> well, they did yesterday. and when they made me the target

of the day our staff fielded hundreds of e-mails and letters and phone calls with vulgar language, so it is not moving the needle there, but it got their attention and nothing else has. >> and it is again, a american center for progressive think tank says that new mexico has a higher than average gun violence average. >> well, it is standing up to implement the things that work. i was a police officer in the first assault weapon ban and i will tell you that it worked. we did not takes a sault weapons out of hands of kids and schools, bud when the democrats take the back the house this year, it is up to us to put the issue front and center and that why it is so important. our election is pretty quick, and it is a bellwether for other

elections down the line f. a democratic candidate can run and win and talking about gun violence and make it a priority and not one of a long list, other candidates in the year will follow, and this is why we have seen so much national attention for somebody willing to stand up to challenge the nra this year, because something feels different and we can pass the legislation with the right people in office in 2018. >> and poking you in the ribs there, sir, because you are the bleeping candidate from new mexico. pat davis, sir, thank you for the time. >> thank you, richard, good to hear from you. >> this week, the new york times reported that crikristen neilso was close to retiring, and she is one of the top white house officials who have reportedly threatened to quit citing the impulsive style of the chief of staff john kelly many times, and

others who have left sense. with me is a democratic strategist, and former executive director of the democratic party, and also, sherry jacobus, and friend of msnbc both. and so, start with you in studio here, and what are you making of the reports that there is a discomfortable with neil zen th progress they should report. >> well, part of it is over the legality that donald trump wants to do, and there is a thin line of what the president is trying to push and the ability of the ap po appointees to push him back and the fear is that he is going to replace some of the people who are not as uncomfortable with some of the things that he is trying to do. so the legitimacy of the instituti institutions is so very important, but if he is

continuing on the path, it is going to be difficult for him to findm people who are willing to speak their legacy against the action. >> and now, cheri, nielssen has despite what it is loggerhead s with the president. >> well, i am not sure that she is in loggererheads, because if you don't win, she can have people leak that she is pushing back, but in this case, she is losing. the place where he is ripping the families and children apart, and we don't do that in america, but we do it now. the department of homeland security is in some ways the last defense. you were supposed to be relying on that person to rely when we are being attacked by tyrants from other countries, and not the tyrant from within. he does not care about russians coming in to bringing the russia into the country and hurting the country and destroy iing the

country, and so he wants her to separate families at the bordera and the department of homeland security to do that. she is not doing the job, and the reason that she is bad at the job is different from president trump's reasons that she is bad at the job. i want her to stand up to him, and take the lead in making sure that we are protected against cyber attacks from russia in the midterm election, and it is not happening. >> and on top of that basil, the comment coming from the chief of staff kelly from the immigration, and undocumented workers and skills and them not having skills necessarily to be well integrated into the united states economy. >> right. the deplorable comment, because he is talking about the immigrants who actually serve in the beloved marine corps, and who is he talking about? that is not who we are as a country. we take all comers, and that is the history. my parents are jamaican immigrants and happy mother's day, mom. so when you are make comments like this, it is going to roil

the community that you are speaking of and also says that you are not welcome here. >> and what is next for immigration, because we have had a couple of headlines on it? >> well, the voters, and i have faith in my fellow americans, and the voters are going to reject the notion that we need to separate the families who come here illegally. we want to protect the borders, but we don't have to do that and that does not fall under any umbrella of what we think of america, and when the voters can reject that and it could be one of issues where, you know, trump gets some pushback in the midterms at least i hope, so and those images are really hard to take. and when americans see that, you know, they ought to rethink how we are implementing this policy and what the policies are. >> great to have both of you. cheri jacobus, and basil mickel, thank you. we have two dead and the

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we are following some breaking news live out of paris, france. you are looking at pictures coming out of france. this is out of the after reports two individuals are dead and police are investigating multiple stabbings, and 11:00 p.m. local time there on a s saturday night. we understand that the suspect was killed as well as one person