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white america is slowly beginning to realize high hard it is living while black. and these incidents seem to be in a climate of the white house and sitting president either ignoring them or some cases dog whistling and therefore encouraging them. telling policemen, don't put people's heads down when you arrest them, even though those you arrest are not convicted of anything or proven guilty of anything. this climate is dangerous and is unfair. before we get to all of that, some trump news, with the focus this week on north korea i ran in israel. joining me now are two white house correspondents ramish sall sander and gabby moreangel lo of

the washington examiner. let me start with this. tomorrow the opening ceremonies at the american embassy in jerusalem that president trump changed the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. the selection -- and maybe i'm taking this personally as a clergy member, the selections of who has been announced as opening prayer giver and the invocation couldn't be moredy divisive and polarizing figures. let me go to who they are. we're told that the opening prayer is being done by reverend jeffries. and reverend jeffries is noted for some very islamic statements, some anti-muslim

statements and he's doing the opening prayer in jerusalem, which is a holy city for muslims and christians and jews. the closing prayer by reverend hagy, so islamicphobic and bigoted against muslims and deny oer at one point of statements against the holocaust saying that he denied it or raised doubts about it that he later tried to recant his statement so divisive that john mccain denounced and refused his endorsement for president in 2016. why would the trump administration and this president have these two figures do the opening and closing prayer in the holy city of jerusalem as they open the new embassy there for the united states?

>> it's because he's really underscoring who his basis is and who are the people to contain and support him several despite several controversies, evangelical christians have stuck with this president. the main issues continue to be they want to see a prolife agenda through the supreme court and end of roev. wade and want to see this idea of christian ideas being passed into law. you have the two pastors book ending this momentous event because they want to make sure people understand what side they are on and president trump has made it very clear he's on the side of benjamin net anyahu and the president is aligned with them. that's what people voted for. they voted for a president that told them these things are going

to happen. reverend jefferies is a fox news contributor and this is another time where we have the president taking people that he saw on television and bringing them closer to his administration and saying hey, i like what i'm seeing on tv, you should come do these things for me. >> you know, gabby, it's one thing if you want to consult with people on the right even the far right that's your base. but to have them in the holy city giving the prayers, is he sending a message to the middle east who are many if not most muslim of his attitude towards them? i'm talking about the president now, when you send them to the holy city to the opening of your embassy, which in itself is controversial, where two people who are noted anti-islam or islamphobics. what kind of message are you sending? you're not having a meeting in the white house where i'm saying

i'm meeting with all kinds of faith leaders and whether you agree with them or not? they are actually part of the official ceremony in the holy city? >> right, they are doing the opening prayer and ben did, it is a peculiar choice to not have it celebrates -- this in jerusalem, i do note both individuals have been at the white house previously and interacting with this president, they are close to the vice president in particular. this administration really feels as though they are allies not only in the evangelical base but that they are close friends of the president and close friends of israel. john hagy was somebody who led the charge ahead of the 2017 national convention in july of 2016 to reinstate language about an undivided jerusalem into the official republican party platform. so they really see these two pastors and two leaders in faith

as allies of israel. but certainly controversial having somebody who has said that jews can't be saved doing the opening prayer at the embassy opening in jerusalem. >> that is a direct quote jews can't be saved. let's go to north korea, when we look at the fact that the president now announced his meeting with the the head of north korea and this meeting is happening with the express purposes according to all reports that the president of the united states wants to try and get them to get rid of and disavow all of their nuclear buildup capacity, at the same time, same week, that he has pulled out of the iran nuke deal that was made by president obama and every major european nation.

what signal does he send to the ahead of north korea when he's pulling out of the iran nuclear pact and at the same time going to meet with them and say disarm yourself and then you have people around the third world, some of us call the first world, what happened in libya when they disarmed? you ought to be careful kim jong-un disarming and watch what he's doing in iran or doing to iran. >> if you talk to critics of the president, they will tell you him pulling out of the iran nuclear deal shows that america may not keep its commitments and when you make a president -- make a deal with one president, one american president, that that person might not continue to be the person that you're going to deal with long term because if administrations change, something can be completely different. so in some ways you could say the democrats are saying this,

saying this shows that president trump can't be trusted. however, there are other people who say kim jong-un in north korea is so focused on his own country, so focused on the deal he wants to make, he's not worried about what's going on. the iran nuclear deal, he's more worried about the fact he wants to be a power player and that president trump meeting with him in singapore on june 12th is going to elevate his status internationally and most people that i talk to say that kim jong-un likely is not going to say i'm going to get rid of all of my nukes, i can get rid of some of them and get rid of maybe testing all of the time, the country has said already they don't want to test -- they don't need to test because they've gotten enough intel to be happy with what they have. so it's really about whether or not kim jong-un sees this meeting and sees whatever the result of this meeting is as being in its favor because president trump has said, denuclearization is the number one thing he wants out of the meeting but it's going to be a long time coming -- >> and it may cost lots of

money. we're out of time but this country, we know that the north korea is out of all of its foreign currency and going to come to the table wanting a whole lot and i don't know if the figure they want is even something that is feasible, but we will be watching. thank you both. coming up, recognizing the political potential of women on this mother's day. also, rapper meek mill, fresh out of prison. his revelation behind bars, his message to president trump and his advice to kanye west is coming up. you're watching "politics nation." (vo) we came here for the friends.

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as we celebrate mother's day today we celebrate the record number of women running for office at the local state and federal level. it comes at a time when more women serving congress than ever in the nation's history and one of those leading the charge joins me now. a democratic candidate for governor of maryland. first of all, thank you for being with us. you worked in the obama

administration, i met you there. i looked at "new york times" this morning and on the front page is an article that says the -- that the narrow -- it's a narrow awaits the surge of women running. we see more women running than any time but still the narrow gauge of winning. how do you see the broad outpouring of women running for office and then how do they reach through that narrow base to win, that narrow canal of victory at the end of that canal? >> well, good morning, and thank you so much for having me. happy mother's day. it is a great question. because in election after election, democrats have won because of women and in particular women of color. and women have been the backbone of our party, the backbone of our communities and backbone of

our families, but we need to make sure that women are not just the backbone but at the foreground of politics. and you know, in my state, of maryland, you real rise it's sad i'm the only woman running against eight men, when 14 statewide offices in maryland, not a single woman serving. maryland had 62 governors, none have been women. and so this year has to be about not just running but actually winning. >> now, you have embraced women's issues and come out front with the fact that women have a sensitivity and life experiences that has to be dealt with and should be in the halls of power to raise them. for example, let me show one of your campaign commercials where you actually show yourself breast feeding and i think that

this is an example of the kinds of things that was -- is and should be different in the halls of politics. explain why you decided to do that as you talk about health care. sure. what i wanted to do was be authentic to my voice and my life. i worried a little bit about defining myself by one of the many things that define me. but i think it's an incredible moment for us to own the fact as women we bring unique perspectives and in this campaign ad what i talk about it's not just about representation. it's about policy outcomes. when women lead, we get better education, better health care, lower incarceration rates and so if we want to address mass incarcerati incarceration, violence on the streets, we need to make sure we have more women in elected office.

i don't think you're suggesting that men could be progressive. i know one of the men in your race who is very progressive, but i think you're making all sort of point that women can also speak for themselves and that it is of note there has never been a woman governor of that state. >> exactly right. and i'm the evenly candidate in the field who had put forth policies to guarantee three months of paid family leave, a sexual harassment and violence policy i worked with ashley jud on. and so i think that there's a moment particularly for women where we're seeing that we have a competitive advantage against incumbent republicans? >> all right, thank you very much. >> thank you very much for having me. >> and thank you. >> up next, is america finally starting to see how difficult it is to be living while black? be right back.

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americans celebrated meek mills release on bail from prison last month. after the rapper served nearly five months in prison for probation violations, stemming from a 2010 gun and drug charge. from his fellow philadelphians to billionaire businessmen robert kraft, to hip hop legend jay-z, the story brought a unique level of national attention to the problem of excessive sentencing. a problem he's now committed to fighting he says. but in the meantime, he's trying to live his best life, grateful for that support that has made him a household name and at least physically a free man. earlier i sat down with mill and his lawyer, joe tackpino. >> let me first say that it's much better seeing you on this side than other side. last time i saw you i visited you in jail in december.

>> yeah. >> and the whole country was outraged about your incarceration. i think what moved me more than many causes i got involved is how clear you were that it was a bigger issue than you. you kept saying reverend al, this is not just about me, looking at brothers in here. tell people about what you were really passionate about, even while you were doing time in an unfair situation as far as i'm concerned? >> every day i work up i was in prison, i thank god every time my foot touched the floor even though i was in a touch situation. but at the same time, i was also spending time with some men who are innocent in prison who don't have resources, bunch of drug addicts base beingally victims addicted to drugs but sentenced to state time in prison when they could have really had

health -- they could have got help from health facilities and rehabilitation but they was put in prison. actually being on the block with some people who had mental issues but just locked away. we all were facing the same things. me seeing that and going through that, at this stage where i value myself to a very high level because i always tell people, we come from environments where we don't really value ourself. at this point in life i traveled around the world and made a lot of money and value myself different. being put in that position and seeing things with my own eyes at this point made me want to help out. i felt like it wasn't right. i don't think if you don't commit a crime you should be in jail for a matter of years if you use a drug or addicted to a drug, should be sent to jail for a matter of years or mental problem sent to jail for a matter of years. >> one of the things you said which was clear and i was

sharing with a lot of people is you said reverend al, when i was a kid, i made mistakes and did wrong but now i em employ people and take care of my mother and don't deserve this. a lot of these guys don't deserve this. >> yeah. >> you aren't making excuses for your youth but at the same time you had done what people tell people to do and that is build yourself up, reform yourself and you did that and became an entrepreneur that was providing -- >> yeah, like probation they make you get a job. i was giving out jobs. i got a job and started providing jobs for others. grow up, we all had felonies growing up. i employed them all. they've never been back to prison and get another felony again. i don't do background checks of what your criminal history is. i employ them with jobs and none of them never been back to prison. i believe everyone deserves

chances, it's like if you have a religion, out in the world if you have a religion, they said god always gives another chance. if god limited our chances, we would all be in trouble right now. >> that's right. >> joe, it was amazing to me as you outline the case that this judge just had a serious personal vendetta as far as i could see against meek and just wouldn't let go, even now he has to go back for a hearing after the pennsylvania supreme court told her he deserves bail and had to instruct it. and told her that the policeman that was involved in the original case years ago is corrupted. i mean they've proved he's a dirty cop. >> it's mind goiboggling, all o the staff that happened for two to four years for probation violation, not a crime should put him for when the probation officer and district attorney said he shouldn't go to jail at

all, been a model probationer. all of that stuff, put that in the past and acts and inappropriate things showing up at the tomorrowless shelter where he was doing community service and put that in the past. look for last month, the district attorney the new district attorney larry kras month, who has done great things in that city and really trying to change and reform, he came forward, his office came forward and did something very courageous. we agree with mr. mill and his lawyer's motion that the original conviction should be thrown out for constitutional violations and due process violations and fairness violations because we uncovered that the cop who testified against them and swore at the false affidavit against them was a lying cop, corrupt cop and someone on the fbi list. the former district attorney knew that and never turned it over to meek's lawyers. the only witness against him was a corrupt and proven lying cup. the district attorney said we agree it needs to be overthrown and thrown out. >> along with a list of other

people. >> that something meek did. he's already had an impact on the system. what he already has done because of our investigation, we uncovered a list of these dirty cops and former district attorney was hiding from the defense. and there are a lot of people out there who are in jail based on perjuryous testimony and it's a small group of police officers but enough to make a big impact on thousands of lives. they all went before the chief judge in philadelphia. and the district attorney did the same thing, we agree, these defendants are entitled to this case being overturned. those cases were overturned and chief judge agreed. in our case, judge brinkley said district attorney, you agree it's a defense that this conviction of his should be overturned and no ma bail or probation. she said yeah, i don't agree, we'll have a hearing in two months to determine that and left him in jail. the supreme court had to order him out. >> this is my biggest thing out of the arresting officer, he has 108 pending cases. 109 including me.

and 108 of them are in front of the president judge where they took their cases from the presiding judge that presided over the cases in the beginning of their trials and took all of the inmates took their defendants -- took their cases and put them in front of the president judge. out of 109 people, i'm the only one that's not in front of the president judge, i'm still in front of the same judge. it's almost like -- >> they won't let go. >> ready set up for them -- >> aside from the supreme court ordering him released on bail, they had to order this judge to release bail. they also said that the judge in the decision, you should consider removing yourself from the case pursuant to the interest of justice. that is a resounding and very loud condemnation of a judge's ability to be fair. >> which is rare. >> rare as anything. >> but the thing that also was very striking is that when you saw all of this and noted you were basically targeted, you

still kept your head and would not feed into it. you still kind of -- it was amazing the kind of self-discipline you imposed on yourself. >> me, i thought it was normal and i thought it was -- couldn't be stopped. ever since i've been dealing with this for 11 years, i never seen anything like it, like even i said one day i was in court i was like, your honor, i never had a dirty piss test. you said piss in my courtroom, you sthould use the word urine, etiquette class cost 4,000 for two classes. i'm like, man, i've been traveling and eat at fancy restaurants all the time. i live next door to the people you think you're trying to get me to impress. i know how to eat and use my fork and knife and my napkin. and these people you think you're trying to gear me up to impress, i walk amongst them every day. you know what i'm saying? it was things like that, why you

have dirty urine, go to jail, so scary. said what on twitter? you're not allowed. at one point i wasn't allowed to release music. how is this possible? my lawyer at the time, i used to come to him and how is it possible that a judge is telling me i can't release music even if i'm in prison i can release music. br but basically stopping all of my income on every level. doing things like that. nobody in philadelphia -- it's a lot of issues there that everybody knew who was going on and it was becoming like a national worldwide situation where people know what's going on but this has been going on for years and that's why we needed people like i appreciate people like you stepping in and saying things and people like joe, jay-z, rock nation, michael ruben, robert kraft, people standing up and like -- this ain't right. and these are people people who value theirself and know the

american value and they don't accept this. me, i accepted it for 11 years -- >> we couldn't accept it. >> i said you see my mug shot, my mug shot, i used it for the cover of my cd. >> but you know, you -- you know i came out of the civil rights moment and still, the civil rights issue of today is criminal justice. how do you see the movement today and what role are you going to play in it? >> i'm playing a role of reafin back out and helping the people. when i was in my position, i seen people standing in the rain, people like yourself flying in to use the voice to help me get justice, protesters waiting outside the courthouse, young kids waiting outside the prison when i got released. i feel like i owe my debt to society. i know firsthand this is real, not a gimmick, not nothing i'm trying to attach my name to. i feel i owe to society when they gave to me when i was in this position, even some of the inmates, i sat there with them. these guys lot life sentences

for their friend killing somebody and jumping in the car with them after they did it and they didn't have nothing to do with the decision that man made. but they still got life sentences because back in '93 probably, 89, the laws were -- they were doing even worse than they are doing now. of course, in the era coming up, things are 20 times worse and these people are like -- all of their constitutional rights were violated but they are stuck in prison for the rest of their lives and i've been there with them. i feel their pain. >> but you also are very successful artist and a lot of artists look at you and say yeah, maybe we need to get more involved and maybe you can help inspire some of them because you went through it. it is not text book, you went through it. >> yeah, that's the mission, even when i got out of prison and looked at -- made sure i paid attention and not -- i don't feel any way about it but made sure i paid attention to every artist that supported what

was going on, not because of me, but because of what was going on, like just to -- it could have been colin kaepernick or anything, if you check my instagram, i erased my pictures but google keeps anything. anything national you were a part of that happened i supported on instagram way before i met you. i feel like with the platforms that we have, this should be supported on many levels. it's even mike ruben a white man, he don't come from the background i come from. but he's doing a lot of work with justice reform. this was started off with me just being his friends and seen something terrible happen. we're moving on to million dollar foundations and making big moves trying to change things. i believe if you're in the hip hop community and come from this, traumatized about this, your family was affected from this, it shouldn't even be a question. i'm not saying dedicate your life to be an activist -- >> but do something. >> it shouldn't be a question of helping out.

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from one of mill's friends, fellow rapper kanye west. >> what do you think of the comments from fellow rapper kanye west. what advice would you give kanye? >> i talked to kanye and told him i feel let down by some of the things he said he contradicted himself on certain music i listen to from him and say speak before -- think before you speak and get informed on what you speak about because he's only addressing a surface, a lot of things when you talk about slavery, it's sensitive because people still have family members that they know and love when they was alive and still do love to this day that been through that. you can't just speak on that situation. it's like if my father was killed when i was 5 years old, i didn't have a choice to grow up in a single parent house. i grew up in a single parent house and grew up in times and

grew up into slavery and didn't have a choice. i see something where they were saying he wasn't saying slavery. >> slavery was a choice. >> they said he trying to say it's a choice to believe you're a slave or something like that. i don't know but -- just be careful, man and walk lightly, it's a serious topic. it's a lot of men depending on people like us to open and shed light and open doors for the voiceless. and they feel like they are being let down. >> they are talking about doing a white house summit with the president talking about things, i don't know whether to invite people like me or even you, but if you had a summit and could talk to president trump, forget how we feel about it. how would you say to him -- >> i'm not in a personal feelings with politics, even the president, i don't -- i never had certain type of people care about me, value me growing up.

i don't even really entertain. i would tell him let's go to my neighborhood. president got bullet proof cars, let's bring them to our neighborhood and let's get out these bullet proof cars and see what you feel comfortable sitting in this area. do you feel like you need a gun here? would you be comfortable with your son sitting on an area where the neighborhood is plagued with drugs everywhere, where it's -- it's paraphernalia on the ground when your kids come outside and jump rope, when it's a little kid, 16 years old and mom on crack, his little sister 8 years old and not any food in the re frfrigerator and seen a drug dealer on the corner making money all day. that kid in his mind, he's going to resort to selling drugs. if a kid sees violence seven days a week, when they speak on chicago, everybody speaking on chicago, but people dying 100 miles an hour in chicago. i'm not the president of the united states or big as kanye west is yet but i know solutions

will slow down things in chicago if i the power to make things happen. i believe i could go to four neighborhoods and probably slow things down if i had to correct -- if i had the right r support that would support me and get things right. i would address a lot of things that people wouldn't address probably, like things people are scared to say because of the president. i just know what has affected my community and what we could do to fix it. i've actually been in prison. i know if there's 3,000 people in jail, the moment a guy dies in prison, they will put somebody else in that cell within the next hour or two. i just think i could explain and get more into detail. that's why i make music. when i rap, i could get deep into the story and make you understand where we come from and make you understand what we're going through.

i can make you understand why there's young black kids killing each other left and right 1,000 miles an hour. it's really nothing to do with them. it's been a problem for a long time and it needs to be addressed. we don't really get any assistance. i don't think we get assistance from the united states the proper way that we should be getting assistance. i don't think we should have to walk out of our houses in certain areas and think we'll be murdered that night. if you put me in the jungle right now, i'm in a great space in life. but if you take me to a jungle in africa with the lhere the li gorillas are, of course i'll have to go into the survival of the fittest mode because i don't want to die. we can't depend on the cops, we can't depend on education. we can't even depend on our own parents because before them,

they were already born into poverty and we can't get any structure. that all boils down to going to jail for a technical violation for three years. that's another kid growing up in a family without a father for three years because the father made a simple mistake. he didn't commit a crime, he made a simple mistake. i almost went two years without my son seeing me or being there for my son because i made a simple mistake, not because i committed a crime. that's a problem that's keeping young men like me -- not saying myself because i took a step forward -- but young men like myself in the same situation they've been in for years and not being able to change because it's a system that's keeping things going. not to make up any excuses. we got to deal with it first as a people, but if they say this is america and america is the land of the free where we do -- everybody is equal and we do for any race as we would do for the

caucasian race, it should be equal. when i watch tv and i see the kids in florida, 17 kids, get killed, i'm like, that's a very bad thing. they stood up for themselves and they made it a national issue. >> yeah. >> i like that. as people in our culture, we have to start that, too, ourselves, because you can't be a cop and shoot somebody and it's the biggest topic in the world. we should address that for sure 100%, but when a little girl gets shot in our neighborhood, we should address it with the same amount of energy. >> as i'm sitting here listening, what happened to him was unjust. it really was justice in the worst form. but there's a blessing in disguise. him doing that time has shed

light on these issues. and i don't think there is a better spokesperson in the country than meek for this. because i got to tell you, as i'm sitting here listening to him, how pointed and articulate he is about these issues, i'm sitting here more like a proud father than his lawyer. listening to how he's saying it, he's the voice for the voiceless. he's the voice for all those kids who can't do this stuff. as his lawyer, i'm very proud to have him as a client. >> when i saw the case, i knew it was wrong. i wanted to stand up but i felt real empowered after spending that time with you in the jail. tell your mother happy mother's day. >> happy mother's day to my mother. my mother is a very strong woman, stood beside me through good and bad and never stayed down. happy birthday to my mother and

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today is mother's day all over the nation, and we celebrate our mothers. early this morning i thought about my mother who passed in 2012, raise med as a single parent and instilled in me values and instilled in me things that brought me through life. one of the greatest honors i had

in my journey is i spoke at the funeral of the mother of the civil rights moovvement, rosa parks. and because of my work with martin luther king, i got to work with his mother, coretta scott king. i've worked with mothers who lost their kids to street violence, and i stand to say to you today, remember mothers who are sitting at tables with empty chairs because their children were taken from them. remember mothers of gun violence victims like the students that awakened us to gun violence just several weeks ago. remember mothers of fallen policemen who were killed in the line of duty and their widows who raised their children. as we celebrate today, remember

those that won't be celebrating, because unlike me, they didn't just get to bury their mother, they had to bury their children. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next sunday. next, alex witt. >> i tell you, that was very profound. but that whole thought, you put yourself in the place of those mothers who had to do that and i don't know how they were able to go on. i know they do that with assistance from you, but that's something they shouldn't have to experience. good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters in new york. right now here on msnbc live, leaks about leaks. why it matters and what it suggests about the president, the people in the white house and the west wing mood. >> the atmosphere and the breakdown in trust inside