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that does it for me. i' david gura. i'll be back here tomorrow at 2:00. >> indeed a lot to pick up. david, thank you sir. i'm aaron gilchrist. breaking news at this hour. "new york times" reports donald trump jr. was involved in a 2016 meeting with an em sere for two arab princes who offered to help the then candidate trump win the election. students return to the high school in the aftermath of the shooting. we'll hear from survivors as the debate intensifies. say hello to the new duke and duchess of sussex. we will have the sights and sounds from today's royal wedding. but we begin with new reporting today that it was not just the russians who were trying to influence the election. "new york times" reports in
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august of 2016 donald trump jr. met with a small group of people about an offer to help trump win the election including an -- this according to self people with knowledge of their encountiers. it was george nader. also ain that meeting. erik prince and joel zamel. nader reportedly told trump jr. that the crown princes were eager to help trump win and they had drawn up a multi million dollar proposal. times notes that the details behind who commissioned the proposal or whether it was executed z remain unclear but that a person with knowledge of the meeting said trump jr. quote responded approvingly. let's bring in former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor, barbara mcquaid and john cipher.
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what do you make of this meeting? could don jr. be in trouble? >> yeah. you know, the facts always matter in these kinds of situations. it remineses me of the june 2016 meeting where we've got forei foreigners offering to assist in the election. there are campaign finance laws that make it illegal to slolici things of value from foreign nationals. it could include cash or also services and in-kind contributio contributions. there could be criminal activity. if there was some sort of quid pro quo, if you help me with the election we will benefit you later when he's president, there could be potential bribery. facts are going to matter. facts we know right now are
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really just enough to sort of spark interest in investigation, not enough to prove evidence of a crime. >> the times reports after he was elected mr. nader paid mr. zanel a large apartment of money. the types says there are conflicting accounts but among other things a company linked to mr. zanel provided him with e b elaborate information. what does that sound like to you? can you draw anything from those statements? >> there's not a lot of information but a couple thins are clear. like barbara said there are a lot of parallels with the russia case, there's a willingness to collude with foreigners, which is illegal and also the private intelligence firms, cambridge analytica, and accusations of
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israeli firm that the campaign had worked with. this sort of willingness to do this, donald trump jr. seems to be -- people believe he's for sale. people believe his ethical principles are such you can go to him and he's willing to consider these things that most people would know better than to get involved with. >> we should note that a lawyer for donald trump jr. said in a statement that the meeting did happen with erik prince, they pitched a social media plat form and markets strategy. trump was not interested and that was the end of it according to his lawyer. barbara, is it likely now that the special counsel's russian investigation is focussed on others? or just new to us and -- >> there's so much i think that we don't know. but, it does appear that there is interest in investigates countries beyond russia. we've had in recent weeks information about that island meeting with erik prince that
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george nader set up, and now this one. there is also in that same report it says george nader is cooperating in the investigation. he seems like someone who is at the scene of all of these meetings. he's the one who's brokered these meetings. he seems like someone who could provide information to robert mueller and help connect the dots, explain any documentary evidence he has. but it does sound like the scope of the investigation may extend beyond russia. help from any foreign country would be illegal. this is not just a technical violation. the idea is that americans should decide who becomes the american president, no the foreign countries who might have different interests at stake other than what's at the best interest of the americans. >> i want to change gears. this week the president said the fbi spied on his campaign. "the washington post" reports that they did have an informant who made contact with three trump campaign members, however, that informant was not embedded in the campaign.
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john, would in a still be considered spying? as the president claims? >> absolutely not. a counter intelligence investigation is not a criminal investigation. their job is to thwart and neutralize foreign poweris who might be trying to take advantage of the united states. that's not spying on the campaign. that's trying to protect the campaign. and if mr. trump wanted to know about that issue all he has to do is ask his self-apointed fbi director to brief him on it. to go public and smear the fbi and perhaps out a source, which is dangerous in and of itself suggests a real problem here as far as i'm concerned. >> all right. i appreciate your time. thank you. there is grief and anger as the nation once again faces a mass shootings on a high school campus. friday'shooting at santa fe high school is the deadliest since february's in florida. today the santa fe community is
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still trying to come to grips with the senseless act of violence as police continue to look for a motive. nbc's chris jansing is leading the coverage. good afternoon to you. >>reporter: good afternoon. what an emotional day it has been here at santa fe high school. staff and students were allowed back to the school. continuing to be allowed to get the cars left if the lot. they gathered first, though, down the street at the junior high school. it was the first chance many of them have had to reunite after what you can only call a shared trauma. police chief walter braun spoke about that earlier. >> we're doing a limited, allowing the students and staff members 0 access one-on-one with an officer to go and collect their valuables, car keys, and vehicles. only part of the building is available to us for that.
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so it's on a very limited basis. as of right now, there's been approximately 50 that's come through there. >>reporter: much of it is a crime scene so they will not be able to access that part of the building. eight students and two teachers killed. the number of injured has risen from 10 to 13. 17-year-old dimitrius -- >> the latest we know is that the 17-year-old entered the high school with two handguns, that according to galveston county judge mark henry, as well as some home-made devices which included these carbon dioxide containers that were taped together with a pressure cooker,
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an alarm clock and nails inside. those containers did not have a device that was able to detonate. that's why authorities believe that it did not go off. they also know that he had no criminal record, dimitri us, and authorities are offering no motive. as you said according to the fbi the number of injured rose from 10 to 13. three of those injured are in the hospital behind me, and two of them are in critical condition. chris? >> reporter: nbc's marian in a attention yo, thank ya -- tonight, some of them will be gathering for a baseball game. but coming up, we're going to hear from a survivor. plus the government response here in texas, congressman al green will join mere. next. at gillette for 20 years. i bet i'm the first blade maker you've ever met. there's a lot of innovation that goes into making
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. >> reporter: back live in santa fe, texas where tonight many will try to take a respite from the sadness and unanswered questions about the mass shooting, because the school's baseball team has decided to send a message and compete in the playoffs tonight, so even so, many are questioning whether they want to come back to this building. here with my now autumn harrison. i have been a little surprised
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in talking to some students. they don't want to come back. they're fearful of coming back. what are you hearing and feeling. >> people are basically telling us they don't want to come back. i don't want to. i'm scared to. i don't know if it's going to happen again. >> it's scary to know hour school just got shot up. >> alyssa? >> i feel that it is a very scary situation to come back here. i'll see the people that we'd walk with every day and talk to everyday. but -- >> have you been able to process that yet? >> it hasn't really hit me yet. i've cried a lot. and i'm still processing it, but as far as coming back, i'm not coming to school. >> you're not going to come to school. have you heard about some of the kids who say they want to be home schooled, they don't want to come to school. >> some of us. her dad wants her to be home schooled. i'm not comfortable. i'll go back for like --
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>> maybe not next week. >> probably not. >> what's that conversation like with your dad? there were moments where many parents didn't know if their children were one of the ones that weren't coming home. >> when mom and dad and me first met when i was walking down the road my dad was fearful because he kept calling me and i couldn't answer the phone because the teachers told us to turn it off. i mean because they didn't want us to tell our parents what's going on. not to get them to worry. >> he didn't know what happened? >> no. when i started walking down the road with alyssa, he saw me immediately, me and my mom and broke out. he was like oh, my god i'm so glad you're safe. i mean i don't know what i would have done without you. i was like just glad to be home with my mom and dad. >> did you sleep at all last sniep night. >> no i couldn't.
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>> maybe like two hours. >> i slept for an hour. actually i didn't even sleep. i stayed up all night. >> what were you thinking about? >> well why i was staying up and they were all passed out and asleep. >> were a group of you together? she spent the night with me because i didn't -- >> want to be alone? >> yeah. also forget for a little bit. you know? and then it hit me why it was all silent and stuff. and i started like realizing i'm not going to see them anymore. like -- >> where were you when you first realized there was a shooting? you were in different classes. >> i was on the -- from where i'm standing, i was on the west side. and first period english. >> did you hear the shots or did you think it was a fire drill. >> we heard the shots when we were outside. >> what goes through your mind? >> at first, i thought it was just a drill. and so we went outside and they told us to step on the grass.
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then all of a sudden they told us to move back further. that's when we all got confused because we never go back further for like a drill, you know? i'm like why are we going back further. so then we stand there for a couple minutes and they're like run, run, across the highway. i'm like okay, i guess this is serious. is there like a fire? like because we were all thinking it was a fire. we went across the highway and then we stood there and told us to go behind a building and then all of a sudden they started saying there was a shooter and we start frooeaking out. >> there have been people, it always hanppens. they want to figure out why. i talked to fellow football players of dim mittryious's. we know -- some people say he was bullied. >> he was bullied by coaches. he was bullied by teachers,
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students, everything. i mean honestly i don't know why you would bully him. >> it's mostly the teachers and the coaches that are like -- not like -- they favoritism people you are he an adult. >> what can be done now to help the school come together. are you going to the game? >> we're thinking about it but honestly i don't think i want to go because i don't want to see all the survivors. it's already freaking me out enough that my friend's not here. >> everybody's talking about it and come to us. we just -- it takes one wrong thing to say, then somebody's going to flip out. >> so you really ar scare thad something could happen again. >> yeah. because i've also been hearing rumors that there's a second one. there's another shooting. >> one thing we know about, there's always rumors and they often turn ought not to be true.
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we're glad your safe. and thank you so much. i know it's got to be hard to talk about this, but we really appreciate it. alyssa, autumn. good luck to you both, class of 2020. thank you. the question once again really is will mass shootings smashing any charge in america's gun laws? parkland florida, survivor david hogg tweeted get ready for two weeks of media coverage of politicians acting like they give an explicative where in reality they want to boost their approval ratings before midterms. here in texas the governor is planning round table discussions. his lieutenant governor, dan patrick offered a suggestion of his own. >> maybe we need to look at limiting the entrance and exits into our schools so that we can have law enforcement looking at the people who come in, one or two entrances. >> joining me now democratic
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congressman al green who represents nearby houston. congressman thank you for joining us. does limiting the number of entrances and exits sound like a strategy? >> well thank you for having me. and let me give my sympathies and expressions of concern. i want to talk about a number of things. and with reference to your specific question, that does not sound like the strategy that need to get things done. peop people are of the impression after all is said and done more will be said than done. we've got to talk about why we're not getting it. people will attack the perpetrator but not the problem. it's one thing to speak truth to power. it's another thing to say to -- speak truth to power by saying power, there's a problem, and you're it. problem we have in the house of representatives is the speaker. we have over 100 pieces of legislation pending that deal
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with gun violence and gun safety in the house. we can't get legislation to the floor. there are over 50 pieces pending in the senate. speaker of the house is not the speaker of the whole house. speaker of some of the house principally, republicans. we've got to get away from that paradigm. this is not about democrats. it's not about republicans. it's not about us who hold public office. it's about our kids. we had 20 babies killed at sandy hook and haven't done enough since that time. we've got to move forward and to move forward, the speaker has got to understand that he is the problem. he really is. and if we don't address it in this fashion, we'll say a lot, and nothing will be done. >> this is also arguable i, a country divided. at least in pockets of this country, i think i'm standing in one of them. you know texas better than i do. this is a county that i believe
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per capita has more concealed carry permits than anywhere else in texas which is a state ha has a long tradition of guns. let me play what else was said. he was asked about this school police police officer who ran into where the shooter was. this was his analysis. >> there any doubt in your mind that he saved lives? >> oh, no. not at all. not at all. there's only -- you know, the main thing that stops a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun. fact that he got there and engaged that gentleman was huge, otherwise, we could have had a lot more casualties. >> you have a number of people in congress, as you well know, who believe that the only way to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun. how do you reconcile those sides, congressman? >> i tell you how. you have to -- we have to --
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mers of congress, no specific member, but we have to do more than talk tough talk. we have to walk that to the floor of the congress and take tough votes. and, if that is the opinion of members of congress, put that in legislation. let's vote on whether the answer is a good guy with a gun or whether there are other things that ought to be addressed as well. it's time for us to debate these issues on the floor of the house and vote on them. you're going to have all this tough talk but nobody's going to walk over to the floor of the house and take tough votes. the speaker of the house has got to be the speaker of the whole house. he's got to be the speaker for the entirety of this country. it's about babies being killed, and until we press the speaker to take action, bring this to the floor, let everybody's bill come to the floor, let's vote them up and down, and if there's a bill that deals with a good guy being a solution, i'll vote
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on that bill. i'll give my opinion with my vote. that's what we need to do. we need more votes and less talk. >> congressman al green from nearby houston, thank you. coming up, we're going to talk more about the politics of guns, this latest mass shooting here igniting this fiery debate once again. former senator barbara boxer who pushed for stricter gun control will join me after the break.
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we're back live in santa fe texas, where a high school fired bullets into his classmates and teachers on friday killing eight students, two teachers and wounding 13 others. he walked into the school armed with a shotgun and a .35 caliber revolver. >> barbara boxer is no stranger. she was in her last term in office when a gunman opened fire
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at a san bernardino office party killing 14. she joins us. he were part of that conversation. i covered that shooting after new town. a lot of people were convinced that this country would no the allow a bunch of elementary school kids to die and not do anything. and yet, here we are. i don't know if you saw earlier, on this program, two of the students here said they're not convinced it won't happen again. they're afraid. what do we say to them? >> i'm sorry. i'm sick about this. grownups in congress have failed you. and i can only tell you what i looked at those children, they're children. i'm a grandmother. and i looked at their faces. and i thought, this is wrong. and then, you look at "the washington post" study that tells us that since columbine in 1999, 216,000 students have experienced gun violence, and
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i'm at the point and i'm not in office -- i've always spoken from the heart. i will continue to do that. people who are cowards in the congress, who have not done a thing on this issue, since columbine, they deserve to be voted out, they're afraid of the gun lobby. and i will tell you, one thing you said, i want to take issue with. you said the country's divided. country is not divided on what to do. i just looked at a recent poll. there are five or six or seven issues that more than 65% people support. democrats, republicans. for example, getting weapons of war off of our streets. having background checks, saying someone has to be 21 before they buy a weapon. safe storage. these are the kind of things
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that people know will work. and by the way, they work in the states. >> you know, i think it was after knnew town, the number of people supporting background checks was 90%. but the division is in congress. i was referencing the local congressman that said he thought what stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun. you have a lieutenant governor who says we need to limit the number of entries and exits. i'm not sure what fire marshalls would say about that idea. you were in congress for a long time. you're a student of an -- ongoing student of what's happening in washington, d.c. is there something you see that could happen that could change this trajectory? >> yes. kick out these people in november. people need to vote. because you're right. background checks have more than
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85% support. banning these assault weapons, that's the lowest. that's 68% support. all of these things, safe storage of guns. and i'm not opposed to having more school security. as a matter of fact i wrote a bill that would deal with that. but there's a whole package of thinks that need to be done. and when you have people who turn their backs on our families and things our families want in terms of sensible gun laws, because they're afraid of the nra and they get an a-rating, you can see it for yourself, people. we know who gets an a-rating. you've got to go out, and vote for people who will stand with you, so that our children don't look at us and say, with their eyes, you failed us. you betrayed us. you didn't protect us. that's what our job is. our job is that as parents, as grandparentin grandparents and certainly as
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members of congress and certainly as a president of the united states. >> senator barbara boxer, it's always good to hear from you. thank you for joining us. >> of course. now let's go back to aaron gilchrist in new york. thank you. coming up this evening, the ongoing feud between president trump and amazon ceo jeff bezos takes a new turn. what's behind the president's wanting to sharply increase amazon's shipping costs. because they've chosen the industry leader. subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. better than rav4. better than grand cherokee. better than edge. make every adventure a happy one with subaru outback. get 0% apr financing on the 2018 subaru outback.
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the post office is losing billioni billions of dollars and the takes payers are paying because it delivers packages for amazon at a very below cost, that's not fair to the united states or our taxpayers. a report just came out. they said $1.47, i believe or about that, for every time they deliver a package, the united states government, meaning the post office, loses $1.47. so, amazon is going to have to pay much more to the post office. there's no doubt about that. >> president trump last month slamming amazon accusing the on line giant of not paying the postal services its fair share in shipping costs. there is new reporting from "the washington post" that he is making good z on his promise to get them to pay more. according to the post, the president pressed the most master general to double the rates charged to amazon and some of its competitors. brou
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however he pushed back explaining the financial benefits working with them and that such a move has to be review the. joining me now new york one political reporter. jeff, i'll start with you. jeff bezos owns amazon and washington post. does this sound like a round about way of getting back at a newspaper? i'm not sure it's that round abou about. he's been very clear he wasn't like some of the stories and called them the lobbying arm of jeffbezos. i think one piece of this is his dis gruntlement. that said i believe he believes amazon isn't paying enough. despite some the evidence to the contrary, including what the post master general has told him directly, it's an issue that has gotten under his skin.
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>> anita, the post report says that the president has gotten together his advisers at different times to talk about the amazon issue. is the white house developing a bas bezos strategy? >> it sounds like he wants a strategy at the white house, but remember, this isn't something that he can do unilaterally. he doesn't even appoint the post master general. a board does. he does nominate people for the board and he has three people pending in the senate for confirmation. that's a process that has to -- he either has to go through the post master general, who has, as she mentioned, a regulatory board. of the there's a multi year contract. it's nots something that can be done overnight. even if he did change the leadership over there somehow. >> what does it say about the president he's willing to go after and even sully a partnership that the postal service says is a beneficial one?
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>> this should be alarming to any americans who care about a free and independent press, because the president himself has drawn a direct line between his feud with amazon with jeff bezos, and "the washington post" essentially falsely accusing them as acting as a lobbyist for amazon. he seems to be trying to get political playback. i think there is certainly, you could argue, a real need to have a serious conversation about on line retailers, the taxes that they pay, structure that they're allowed to set up and the impact it's having on brick and mortar stores, but that is not what's happening. this seems to be a president who is very intensely focused against the advise of many people around him, that he wants to make sure that amazon is paying more. >> you make an interesting point. there's another side of this that says this is a man who's been a shrewd businessman for a long time and looking at the
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numbers saying something doesn't add up. we need to watch the company more closely. is there some validity do you think from that argument? >> there could be. we don't know what the deal that amazon has with the postal services. that contract is private. amazon said it shouldn't be made public. so we don't have those numbers. all we can go on is what's been reported in "the washington post." post master general essentially arguing to the president that this deal is a good one overall for the post office. we know that the system has had a lot of financial problems, but frankly, her and other people around the president are arguing that deal the like this to make deliveries that are keeping the post office afloat. >> anita, what's your thought on this? it brings up the question of his
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focus. when there's north korea, iran, this gun violence conversation as well. distracti distraction, some might say? the optics can't be good on this either way though. >> no, but let's remember, there, clearly, he is focusing on amazon, but he's focused on a lot of companies, unlike previous presidents, he has called out specific companies. sony and coke and verizon, all sorts of companies for all sorts of things over the last year and a half. and even before he was president. talking about how things he doesn't like, he calls them stupid. he talked about nordstrom early on and how they weren't supporting his daughter who has a fashion line. it's not surprising that he would talk publicly and do it on twitter and talk publicly about specific companies. it is surprising for a president to do that, no the this president. you could argue why is he spending all -- so much of his time talking about these companies, and meeting with
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people about amazon and definitely his critics will say he soonts houldn't be doing tha. >> jeff, your thoughts on this? a few seconds left. is amazon a distraction from bigger issues? >> i think it's also important to note the timing and story. most recent discussion was a few months ago. i'm not sure this is necessarily something he's distracting. if he starts tweeting about it, that's a discussion we can have. certainly it's among a long list of things that are irritants to him and that he is talking about and looking at. >> great point, jeff. we appreciate your time. thanks. thank you. we will go back out to the scene of the school shooting in santa fe after the break. s. & so this won't happen. because you've made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. & she can talk to him, & yes... atta, boy. some people assign genders to machines.
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here in texas. what can you even tell us what this is like for all of you who went through it so recently? >> one of the first questions i do that did come to mind is a question i guess i asked andrea mitchel a couple days after the original shooting in parkland. is how many more types is this going to have to happen before we have our elected officials do something about it. they've done very little. they've done nothing in washington. fortunately, in florida, we did have action taken. it was very disturbing for me, for our students. it's been only three months and five days since the shooting in marjory stoneman douglas, in parkland, ure -- tpptsd is quit
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a apparent. extremely disturbing and disheartening, where we have a president that promised action, that convene the members of congress from both parties and they've done absolutely nothing except talk. and meet with the nra and backtrack. >> things that they've talked about i'm sure you saw that the president after this, talked about how betsy devos, the education secretary is going to convene this panel to talk about gun violence here. starting next week they're going to put together round tables to talk about gun violence. again, talking about what to do. do you have any sense, because so many people were so moved by your students, and their passion, and the things they had to say, but do you see anything really moving the needle on a national basis at this point? >> on the national basis, i'm no the sure yet. i know that our students are working with other groups around the country to register people to vote. our students are working with
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other student groups around the country to get people educated and to try to listen and to learn what candidates are going to be voting voting for common gun legislation, and they are working to that means. i cannot predict the outcome of this point of the november 6th elections, but i know that they are working to that means. our current elected officials don't seem in washington to want to listen to us, so what we are attempting to do is to change those that we have, if those can't listen to us, and obviously my krystal ball is not perfect at this point to predict how well it is going to turn out, but they are working, and while we are obviously have the large march that everyone saw, this is i guess a quieter and i won't say behind the scenes, but it is smaller groups, smaller different groups all around the country working and working in different congressional districts. they tried to have town halls in
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every congressional district with the current elected officials, and if the current officials did not want to appear to have the opponent show up, and so i know that they are working to do everything that can be done to change the members of congress come this fall, and so we will have to see what happens, and so that is one thing that is certainly being worked on right now. >> and i know that they are work hard. we have all watched them with great admiration. greg pittman, thank you so much. and joining me here in santa fe, texas, sandy and lonnie phillips. their daughter jessica was killed in 2012 when their daughter was inp an aurora movie theat theater, and since, they have been traveling the the country to empower survivors of violence. thank you so much. i was in aurora, and wone of th fathers who had lost a child in columbine came, because i had known him from there. >> tom melser. >> and he said, chris, i'm not going to stop s. that what
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motivates you sh, you are not gg to the stop. you put everything aside and said that you had to do something. >> we sold everything and we boughtt a camper, and we have been on the road since. tom melser from columbine is one of our hero, and we admire the work he has done, and he is an inspiration for us, and we hope the take the work he has deend continue it across the nation, and help survivors. >> when you have to come to another place. you see the police lights that are going on. do you feel like you are beating your head against the wall? >> sometimes, yes. but every time we meet no the survivor and go to the state where they are doing good work and passing good laws, there is hope. so we know it needs to be done at the national level and we will keep pushing and pushing until we get it. >> barbara boxer was just on, and obviously a member of the senate when san bernardino
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happened and she said, there is a mistake that people think that people are against the gun legislation, and they aren't. tell me what you are hearing from the people as you are traveling across the country. >> well, different areas of the country are different. we are into south texas now. we were raised in texas, and gun owners, and we want it regulated, because we don't want somebody 17 years old the lay down cash or check or money order or whatever and walk out within a ar-15 and go down to mow down 17 of these students without having some kind of background check or having some laws that would prevent that. that is totally unheard of. >> and we heard this hour from a couple of young women who said they don't know if they want to go back to school. they are afraid. >> of course they are. >> they are afraid. and so you started something called survivors empower and tell us about it. >> the survivors em ppowered iso
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support survivor to survivor support. we have found from our own story, when we first met another survivor like tom, and hearing his story, and what he went through is so helpful to us, and we are paying it forward. so we try to meet with the survivors from parkland and we have fwon nine mass shootings since our own. we have tried to meet with the survivors and the students and the people affected and the u community. and we want to tell our story, and tell them what to be expecting next, because they are in a whole new world that they have never been in before. and we know the ropes. >> i have heard several students say, and couple of the parents that we don't know what is going to happen next. we don't know what to expect. what can they expect? >> they can first of all, you know, like again, being in different sections of the country, and first of all, they are going to realize this a lot of the money raised in their name is not going to ever go to th them. that happens every single time.
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we had to fight for the omoney they raised with our childrens' faces. it was raised by a big organization in denver and given to other organization, and that, plus the fact that the con sp r conspiracy theorists come out on every single mass shooting hot and heavy, because they have to discount what the victims are saying, because they are the most vocal and passionate and they do them the most harm, and they do it ref time. they will do itt here even though most of the people here, they believe in the second amendment, and so do we. we believe in the second amendment. we are not giving up the gun, but it is regulated. >> we believe in a regulated second amendment, and that is what is left off of the national support on this issue. there is no national support. it is about the nra and the nra money influence in the government. so we take that as a challenge, and we are not going to get good gun laws in america unless that changes, unless we do it state
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by state by state. >> sandy and lonnie, i can't thank you enough, and i a admire you as much as tom mouser in your persistence of trying to make something good come out of what was a horrible tragedy in your life. thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. >> we will continue to follow the developments here in santa fe, texas, but for now, i send it back to aaron gilchrist in new york. >> thank you. we will be back after this. with my bladder leakage, the products i've tried just didn't fit right. they were very saggy. it's getting in the way of our camping trips. but with new sizes, depend fit-flex is made for me.
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>> that does it for me this hour. i'm aaron gilchrist, and up next, msnbc presents "the royal wedding as it happened." good night, everybody. welcome to msnbc's special encore presentation of the royal wedding as it happened. i'm stephanie ruhle here in windsor england. >> i'm katy tourrin, and this small town seemed to be the center of the universe, because it was right over there in st. georges chapel where prince harry married the american meghan markle in a ceremony as personal and touching as it was historic. >> and significant, too, for the incredible cultural coming together that we witnessed in the course of a historic day. we had the good fortune to see all of it right here from our perch alongside our colleague joy reid, and you will be hearing from trish goddard and martin lewis, and natalie morales, and i will tell y