♪ ♪ another way we have your back. ♪ ♪ the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. welcome to "politics nation", one full year into mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia with mid-term elections looming, trump apoll gifts contend that with nothing pointing directly to the president, even now the investigation should be dropped to them. i point to 17 members of the president's inner circle that have been indicted, five of them

pleading guilty. because as we enter year two, this is what i see. we're now told there was a second meeting at trump towers. this would representatives of saudi arabia and emirates and israel, seeking to be helpful. how do we stop an investigation where 17 of the president's inner circle were indicted? one that he had chosen to be the head of national security or his national secured adviser, the other he made the chairman of his campaign. when do you stop investigations when they are reaping results? unless you're trying to stop something from going to where it may lead. joining me now are two political strategists, democrat corinne john pierre and matt mccove yak.

explain to me why any investigation that is reaping tangible results in terms of prosecutions and pleas of guilty, why would you stop until it is complete? it would be different if a year later we got no results or no one near the president. this is the president's campaign chairman and this is the president's choice for national security adviser. why would we stop? >> well, let me point out a couple of things. you mentioned the number 17 indictments and i believe you're including 13 of those 17 as russian nationals who are attempting to influence the election. so let's start with that. second, i am -- >> what is that supposed to mean? whether they were russian -- >> you said they were -- >> whether they were russian or whether they were anywhere else, they were ditded as a resu--

indicted as a result of the investigation. if you are seeking to influence the campaign, they were seeking to do so dealing with or making overtures to the trump campaign. so it is -- it's a difference without a distinction. >> well, heerre's the distincti. the distinction is that you specifically said there were 17 members of trump's inner circle. 13 of those are russians who are not members of this inner circle. >> they tried to get to his inner circle. so four of them were in his inner circle and makes you feel better? >> well, what i would say reverend is that you have four people who are dealing with different charges, serious charges, real charges. some of whom have pled guilty but you still do not have a connection to the trump campaign related to collusion or trump campaign working with russia to influence the election. the indictment related to the 13

russians specifically says there was no american who knowingly participated in russia's influence with the election. the paul manafort issue, that relates to illegal foreign lobbying before the campaign even began. you have michael flynn, the national security adviser, he lied to the feds, that's what the indictment was about, lying to the feds is a crime. so let me say this and move in your direction. i'm in favor of this investigation being completed. i'm in favor of robert mueller being able to complete his work. but, i don't believe that means it can go on forever. we're now -- >> we're not talking about forever. we're talking about -- and let me bring you in on this, corinne, we're talking about the continuation of the investigation reaping results and we want to see where it's going. we're just finding out now about a second meeting a year later. socorinne, why would we entertain stopping an

investigation that clearly is going in various areas but that are reaping tangible results in terms of not only making charges but getting guilty pleas and these are four of the people if it makes matt feel better that were around the president and 13 that were trying to get there, which they were trying to get there in an illegal kind of invention. >> that's exactly right and good morning to you. here's the thing, there are more indictments in the first year of mueller's investigation this russia probe than there were in watergate. the five people have pleaded guilty. two of the criminal cases are going to trial. one person is actually serving time right now. so there is something here and what's happening is donald trump, all he's trying to do is muddy the waters and trying to if you will hide the truth which

is what it looks like they are trying to do. let's not forget who's leading this investigation. a bunch of republicans are leading this investigation. robert mueller, republican. trump's attorney general, trump's deputy attorney general, trump's fbi director, heck, the republican led senate intel committee believed that this was not a witch hunt. all of them don't believe it's a witch hunt. the people leading this investigations are russians. there is truly a there there. and all trump is trying to do is throw the scent off, trying to make chaos and like you said, now we gist found out from a "new york times" report being there was a second meeting. the trump organization and the trump campaign were so deeply embedded with russia that the ties were so deep that the fbi had to investigate. let's not forget on the day of the election in 2015, there was oeblg one of the two major candidates under investigation and that was the trump

organization. not hillary clinton. >> that is important. let me go to this, matt. the shooting in texas, another horrific mass shooting at a school over 20 school shootings this year and we're not even at june. when does the republican party stand up and deal with the issue of gun control and violence? you even had the mayor of houston come out saying how he's sickened that nothing has happened. i mean, you had tens of thousands -- hundreds of thousands of high schoolers marching, we can't even get background checks -- i mean, when does the republican party start saying we've got to make some moves around gun control and gun violence in this country? >> i don't think this answer is going to satisfy you, but in texas the second amendment is very popular. obviously or heart absolutely breaks for what happened in santa fe texas outside of

houston. in fact the governor is hold a series of round tables this week. the lieutenant governor dan patrick is doing interviews this morning. we'll see what can be done from a public policy perspective. one thing i would point out, two things i would point out, one in this case, this alleged shooter stole guns that his father legally owned. so the theft of the guns w s aly illegal to steal them from his father. again, this was a shotgun and revolver, not a more serious weaponry. but second, governor abbott has pointed to a mental health program that works in west texas that is seeing tremendous results. it was funded by a $500,000 grant that the governor's office provided. what they do is they pacically interview at risk kids junior high and high school levels and gets involved from a mental health perspective early on before they can become violent and put plans together and access weapons. so i know that folks on the left don't necessarily want to just hear about mental health reform. they want to hear about gun

control as well. i can tell you in texas gun control is not going to fly here. it's not going to -- >> but it seems like, matt, bullets are flying and karine, this is not a second amendment issue. >> it's not. >> the second amendment doesn't give you the right to have military style weapons and i note matt is right, they are so far not part of this latest shooting. but the killing of ten people, nine kids, one teacher, reminds us of the continued -- almost we're normalizing these kind of school shootings, many of which did involve weapons we can do something about, at least background checks and mental health. we've done nothing. zero. >> right. and universal background check is actually very popular, both with republicans and independents and democrats, people want to see something. here's the thing, gun owners actually have said, hey poll after poll they want to see gun reform.

it's not about the second amendment. no one is talking about the second amendment here. our schools are becoming killing grounds. and republicans and elected officials basically say nothing -- there's nothing that could be done is not enough. the fact that more kids are killed here than troops in combat, that is horrific and we need to do something. so here's what i say we do. you know what we do? we go out and we vote. we vote these republicans out. we vote anybody who says we can't do anything out. that's the way we get to this. that's how we're going to get to the answer of how do we fix the killings that are going around in this country. >> well, let me thank you, karine and matt, up next. is the president at war with america's cities? you're watching "politics nation" be right back. do these moves look familiar?

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for last three years, lifelong new yorker donald trump has marketed himself as a fierce champion of rural america. and with that policy positions that some mayors say are uniquely hostile to the problems facing america's cities. last week the white house proposed nearly $15 million in cuts to social safety net programs, nearly half of which would come from federal health insurance for poor children.

the cuts were slammed as quote disastrous to cities coast to coast by the new head of the united states conference of mayors steve benjamin who joins me in the third term as mayor of columbia, south carolina. thank you, mr. mayor. what do you mean these cuts are disastrous. >> the reality rev, american cities are driving the u.s. company. 85% of our citizens live in cities in metropolitan economies and 89% of the jobs are there. 91% of america's $20 trillion gross domestic product is created in cities in metropolitan economies. i now represent 1400 mayors all across this country who are helping to innovate and create opportunities for all of our families to grow and prosper in 21st century america, the greatest and most prosperous democratic nation in the history of the world. we do that against a back drop of recognizing that so many families are struggling right

now, is the average american family can't afford a $400 pill and our babies you were talking about as we try to protect them in school, we ought not have to fight to make sure they get to a dentist and make sure they can get basic health care. our agenda has been over the last 80 plus years to advocate for men and women and children who live in american cities to make sure that this land of american opportunity continues to exist for all of us. >> when we talk about cities we're not just talking about big cities like new york or chick which can or l.a. we're talking about columbia, south carolinas and raleigh, north carolinas and you're the head of the conference of 1400 mayors. you would think this white house would at least be sensitive to your concerns, has there been any serious dialogue or engagement around your and your colleague's concerns with the

president or his senior staff at the white house? >> i have the opportunity to meet with the president elect trump back in september of 2016 and met again earlier this year to discuss infrastructure and other great and missed opportunity opportunity for america. it's not the engagement should be, we have so many opportunities for us reverend sharpton. the opportunity to put millions of americans back to work building and rebuilding almost $5 trillion of american infrastructure, we're watching the world change dramatically, automation and future of work is very different. 65% of the kids in kindergarten right now will grow up and work in jobs that don't even exist right now. what does that mean? that means if we don't innovate and don't work together to create ladders of opportunity for everyone to live up to their god given potential, then america won't be as competitive

and won't be able to compete with other world powers, we need a partner in the white house and in washington, d.c. to help us move not just american cities but all americans forward. >> you touched on two things that are near and dear to me in terms of infrastructure, a lot of rhetoric but we've not really seen the commitment towards infrastructure. that is badly needed in cities and other rural areas around this country, we're literally have places that are falling apart and are in disrepair. and when you talk about we've got a plan for the future, one of the things that even in national action network my civil rights group we're dealing with is technology the digital divide because we're not getting our young people prepared for the economy that will happen in their lifetime. sometimes when we say to future, people think we're talking about buy and buy when the morning come, we're talking about what's eminent and and what we're not

preparing our communities for. >> you're right, i appreciate the national action network and work you've been doing in helping raise the issue of the technological opportunities before us. 75% of all american insfra structure being built by cities and states across the country, we're talking about significant, maybe $5 trillion need, every billion dollars we spend puts 15,000 people to work. you think about men and women who have been dislocated from the american economic system since before they finish puberty because of bad decisions they've made, the ability to put so many back to work and solve so many challenges facing our community but not just that infrastruct e infrastructure, the 21st century infrastructure, build out small cell networks that allow us to have driverless cars and broadband and at the same time not just having broadband be u bik us to but closing the

digital divide, giving all families access to broadband. we're not going to get there by constantly doing this as you see in washington, d.c. or state capitols. in american cities working together to innovate and these are all mayors, we're talking about republican mayors and democratic mayors and independent mayors, republican mayors of san diego and miami leading on climate change, the mayor of atlanta is doing fantastic work putting exoffenders back to work. the mayor of houston you mentioned earlier, amazing work creating small businesses in that city. all across this country, mayors are working together to try and solve the vexing problems facing our 21st century economy. we need a partner in d.c. >> if the president were watching right now. what would you say to him, mr. mayor? >> i would tell you this. most vast majority of americans, if you give them a legal pad and ask them to write down the top ten things most important to their family, eight of those

things we'd agree on. the other two, let's put those to the side. the things we agree on and strong bipartisan approval, some around guns, i mean extreme risk protection orders, making sure we get guns out of the folks who ought not have them, universal background are universally supported by republicans and democrats. let's work on those issues that we can work on together and take the politics out of the mix. those things we can't work on, we'll let democracy handle those and deal with them at the ballot box. but let's at least get something done that helps us protect our families and give them a chance to fully participate in the american economy. you can't tell folks it's amazing that people can say don't at a a with a my guns but you can take our children. that's unacceptable. and it's not representative of the love and grace and mercy that i'll be talking about in church later today. >> all right, thank you, mayor

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now for this week's gotcha. last week the republican led house voted to anull obama era rules that protected women ar car buyers of color to be overcharged for car loans and maxine waters took to the floor, to criticize the move as naturally sexist and racist. this totally set off an unbiased defender of the rollback. pennsylvania republican mike kelly, ar dent trump supporter who took very big issue as you can see with a black woman impuning car sales people. >> how in the world can you reduce this down to discrimination? we are doing the same thing every day that you are doing,

we're trying to make sure we're making america great every day and every way and the best way to do that, stop talking about discrimination and start talking about the nation. we're coming together as a people in spite of what you say. >> yeah, he went there folks, and auntie max seine was waitin >> mr. kelly, please do not leave because i want you to know that i'm more offended as an african-american woman than you will ever be -- >> do you yield? >> not one second to you. not one second. not one second to you. >> apparently, mr. kelly was still salty over being snatched like that because while stumping ahead of tuesday's primary, he played the victim where else, on fox and friends. i was sitting there and had 30 minutes of democrats talking about how bad automobile people

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week by the story of john bun, fully exonerated after serving 27 years, 17 of which in prison for the 1991 murder of a new york correction officer. his conviction was overturned two years ago after his arresting officer was accused of misconduct in his case and dozens of others and on tuesday, a brooklyn new york judge told an emotional bun, who taught himself to read as a teenaged prisoner, that he will not be retried for crime that he never committed. joining me now is john bund in his first interview since exoneration and his attorney and founder and director of the exoneration initiative. john, i can't imagine what you

went through 17 years in jail and 10 years fighting after that. until this past week not knowing if they were going to retry you and possibly reincarcerate you for something that we now know and certify by the courts you were not guilty of. >> yes, this has been my nightmare but through it all god has presented me a dream. i'm living and being better, not bitter. i'm overly blessed and i want to thank you for having me here today, sir. because this is my first exclusive interview since the exxoneration. and on another note, you have been like a hero into my life and a lot of other young black men coming up from where i come from because with the likes of us not having a martin luther king or malcolm x anymore you have been significant in the hopes that we have as a people for us to push forward. >> i appreciate that. i see you have tears in your

eyes and which means that you still feel the pain and i'm sure you know i had meek mill the rapper on last week who sat in that same seat. you know many that suffered what you did and we're not excusing those that committed a crime. but those that have not done so and fighting to restore themselves, but you as you sit there weeping this morning have done more than weep. you've gone back and try to help those incarcerated and that's one of the reasons i wanted you on this morning. talk about what you're doing. you actually go back into the jails and try to work with people that were are similarly situated to where you were. >> my situation when this -- when this happened to me, i was ill literate, i couldn't read. going through this process, i realize how much of an impact

that had on me, not being able to read and not understanding and thinking the system would work in my benefit when it didn't, thinking it was going to work on my better half due to the fact i was innocent. when it didn't ever correct itself, me learning to educate myself and learning how to read did something for my self-esteem that made me keep going forward. i started a literacy program to go back into the jails and prisons because i realize that it's a lot of individuals my same issue that don't have the courage to stand up and say that they have these issues. but they are hiding behind negative -- how would you say -- hiding behind negative images and put forth a different persona to act like they are tough and things like that, that they might not know how to read and stuff like that. >> they put up a front. >> they put up a front. >> yesterday was malcolm x birthday, also educated himself in jail. to have you on is a tribute to

what malcolm did. glenn, you have the exxexonnera initiative, it is an example of why this initiative is important. none of us support criminal behavior and want to see people victimized. in our communities we sufferdy pro portion natalie from a lot of criminal behavior. but we don't want to see innocent people put in situations because they don't have the money or the connections they cannot defend themselves and end up losing some of the best years of their life like john did. >> absolutely. thanks for having me on the show by the way. john is an inspiration and he is an amazing person and turning this tragedy really into a positive by helping youth and going into the jails and focusing on literacy and as opposed to violence and drugs.

we are -- he's become a part of our family since we've been representing him for the past five plus years. and our organization it's a nondna innocence program and we focus on very difficult cases, wrongful convictions and factually innocent indij ent new york state prisoners who don't have the resources and money to hire lawyers to get them exoner ks ate e exonerated, we're so happy we're able to put him back on track and have his life in a place where he doesn't have the conviction hanging over his head. but the problem with john's case is well, it's an example of things -- it happens more frequently than you think. and we encounter a lot of cases like his and we're fortunate we have a judge, judge simpson who cared and focused and got into the case and really did the right thing. most of our cases are fought with tremendous resistance because without dna it's very difficult to litigate these

cases and they take years and they are protracted battles that take a long time and a lot of energy to get people exonerated. >> there are family people that are watching and have relatives that are incarcerated, many of whom are not guilty. what would you say to them watching this morning headed for a weekend visit or somebody they won't visit. what would you say to those family members that are watching you this morning of those that have incarcerated loved ones? >> i want to say that this is a frustrating process. through this process me and my mother went through a lot. it took a long time to empathize and understand exactly what she was going through because i blamed a lot of things on her thinking she was supposed to take me on. get me out of this. mommy get me out of this and mommy didn't have the power to

get out of this. mommy was reaching and going to every organization she could and writing letters and doing what she could. it goes both ways, the person on the inside got to be patient. and loves ones on the outside, even though they know they have issues, that it don't work that easy. but you have to be patient with your loved ones and keep it close because sometimes you don't realize how much they are really going and fighting hard and how much it takes to advice i will you and send packages and things like that. having your support from the inside to have you keep going forward. my mother never turned her back on me because she knew i was innocent. and she was a single mother, living in poverty and without my mother, i wouldn't have been able to make it, sir. >>. >> is there any legislation or policies that could stop the johns of the future from being as frequent as they are? >> i think the focus is police and -- as a huge problem in our

criminal justice system. 70% of wrongful convictions involve misconduct by police or prosecutors and black men are 22% more likely to be victimized by police misconduct than white men. and we do need to do something. i think we need more account abltd in police departments throughout the country and more accountability in prosecutor's offices and they need to hire people with integrity and there should be judicial oversight and they should name the names of the people who commit this misconduct and they should be sanctioned. >> and punish them. >> they should be held accountable. >> absolutely. >> this man lost the most important years of his life but not giving that up. he's going to take the most important years that he still has yet to do the help change the system and change people's lives. and i thank you for being that kind of person. god bless you and thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks to john bunn and to

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we believe criminals who kill our police should get the death penalty. bring to forth. >> that was president trump tuesday speaking at the memorial for fallen law enforcement officers. law and order candidate trump started his presidential run banging the drum for regressive law enforcement. and as president he has called for executing drug dealers and now as you just heard, cop killers. but one thing he did not mention unsurprisingly was a need for any kind of policing reform. a reiteration of his justice

department saying their police morale suffers when there is too much federal review. but the need for that reform was vividly illustrated last week by this footage, of a north carolina police arresting unarmed black man anthony wall, choking him and slamming him to the concrete outside of a waffle house restaurant earlier this month. joining me now is anthony wall and his attorney benjamin crump. thanks for being with me this morning. >> thank you, reverend al. >> thank you. >> anthony, would you tell the country -- i know we can't go into details because you still have charges pending but how did this unfold? what happened that led to what we saw in this video that i just showed and that has gone viral last week? >> it started with an argument inside the waffle house, workers

were being disrespectful making racist comments and communicating threats. and it led to one of the employees calling 911 and made a false statement stating that me and a worker or someone had gotten in a fight but we never did. we just was having words back and forth. >> so you had words back and forth. they called the police. but what made the police go in and start doing what they did to you? i mean, this man put you in a choke hold and slammed you to the concrete. you were not fighting the police and you were not resisting talking, is that not correct? >> that's correct, sir. >> now, you also told me that once the policeman doing this to you, once there was an arrest, you and the other police came and they decided to arrest you, that you asked not to ride in his car and made you ride in the same policeman's car and behind

you was a k9 dog that was in the cage they put in cars and by some miracle after this policeman went to the back of the car, the k-9 was able to break out of his cage and you had to ride in a car with a k-9 dog unleashed. is that correct? >> yes, sir, that's correct. >> i mean, attorney crump, i've not heard anything like this. you're choked and slammed, let's say he did get in a fight in a waffle house which you're defending did not happen, attorney crump. do you have the right to put him in a choke hold and slam him to the con kreets and put him in a car with a dog? are we back 1950s north carolina? what's going on? >> reverend al, it's outrageous and that's why attorney rogers and i are inviting you and national action network to come down to north carolina to make sure they understand we're not going back to the '50s and '60s

where they use dogs to intimidate our people, just for asking for basic constitutional rights. and due process of the law. couple weeks ago and certainly i will certainly respond both waffle house incidents and

unlike starbucks who have made some movements towards dealing with these issues, waffle house defended these situations so far, attorney crump. this to me has to raise the question of waffle house as well as law enforcement where we saw law enforcement not only make acts with no probable cause both in mobile alabama at a waffle house but did it in a brutal and unjustifiable manner. >> absolutely and then they try to justify it and it goes to this pattern, reverend al as we've been talking about in america, especially black america about white people calling the police on black people and then the police come and during these military-type actions against citizens of color so we have to speak to that. the mere fact they would put him

in the car with a k-9, with a dog, they had other cars out there, five other police cars that could have transported anthony wall to the jail and they chose intentionally i believe to put him in the car with the police dog to try to intimidate him and that simply cannot stand and waffle house, we're waiting on you now to condone that or are you going to do like clemens in alabama and say everything is appropriate because we don't respect customers of color or we don't respect customers of the lgbt community. waffle house, we're waiting for a response. >> anthony, there have been people that have seen what happened to you on social media, you did my radio show. what do you say to americans watching that have supported you and said wait a minute, we don't know what happened, but this is not right. what do you say to those supporters and americans watching you this morning? >> i want to say thank you.

also, it means a lot to me and is very helpful to know that someone is on my side but also even the negative, i still want to say thank you because it make me bigger and stronger, also. >> so you're not at all in any shape or form rattled by the detractors or critics? you're ready to keep fighting? >> yes. >> attorney crump, another battle but the same wall. we're fighting against bigotry and the lack of accountable, both corporate and law enforcement. thank you for being there as you always have. attorney benjamin crump, anthony wall, thank you. >> thank you. up next, my thoughts on the royal wedding. and the safey for "most parallel parallel parking job" goes to... [ drum roll ] ...emily lapier from ames, iowa. this is emily's third nomination and first win.

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i'm not into celebrity weddings having grown up around celebrities, not everyone royal stuff even catches my attention but when i started hearing the ugly and bigoted racist stuff that was launched at prince harry and meghan, his now princess of sussex, i paid attention because the symbolism of a divorced person of color,

standing up and becoming a member of the royal family gave big a bad day yesterday. doesn't mean white supremacy, white male is over but it does mean that they are losing their grip on the cultural definitions and if we stand up and are determined that their backlash because they have not gone anywhere, their bash lack won't work, we can begin making progress in the face of adversity. i was hardened when i saw bishop curry stand there in that chapel with the royal family sitting there and quote martin luther king junior as a student of dr. king, it was a great moment for me. i was even personally heartened

when i heard them singing benny king's song "stand by me" and leaving with etta james song "that light of mine, i'm going to let it shine." i preached at her funeral so it was personal heartening to me but i was proud to see meghan's mother standing there in her natural and regal manner, standing there, not compromising her look, her stature and her appearance for anybody and the world having to respect it. that's a nightmare where we don't have to fit other standar standards, we can change political and economic

institutions and that's the beginning of the end for them. let us saver the moment for what it can be but let's not stop fighting because they will fight back harder now because they know that they are losing psychological ground. that does it for me. thanks for watching. and to keep the conversation going, like us at facebook.com/politics nation and follow us on twitter @politics nation. see you back here next sunday and now to my colleague, alex witt. >> all right. rev, we have to admit during the commercial break i asked you how much of the wedding you watched, you said almost the entire thing. >> and i don't do that. >> i know you don't. i love the crusading rhetoric and preaching to us just now but i suspect underneath it all there was a hopeless romantic, yes or no? >> you have to watch