i know. find your phone easily with the xfinity voice remote. one more way comcast is working to fit into your life, not the other way around. that is a wrap of this hour. i'm alex whit and i'll see you again at noon. it's time for "a.m. joy" with my friend, joy reid. no coordination, no nothing. it's a witch hunt. that's all it is. >> the entire thing has been a witch hunt and there is no collusion between myself and my campaign. >> it's a democrat hoax that was brought up as an excuse for losing an election. >> i have nothing to do with russia. everybody knows it. that was a democrat hoax. it was an excuse for losing the election. >> the witch hunt continues. good morning. welcome to "a.m. joy." well, it wasn't just the russians. a new report by "the new york

times" finds that months before the 2016 election, donald trump jr. held a meeting at trump tower to field an offer to field help to win the election. that one took place in june from 2016. this newly discovered meeting took place two months later in august. according to several people with knowledge of the meeting, the emsayerry was george nader, a formal adviser to the uae with a shady past that includes a conviction on the child pornography charge in the '90s and who's now cooperating with robert mueller. nader reportedly told donald trump jr. that the crown princes were able to help trump win the election. also in and it attendance was joel zamel. the meeting was arranged by erik prince, the brother of betsy

devos and the founder of the security firm blackwater. according to the times zamel had drawn up a proposal to use thousands of social media accounts to promote trump on facebook. the "times" source said trump responded approvingly. joining me now clint watts. jennifer reuben of the "the washington post," malcolm nance, and matthew miller, and i'm going to start with you on this clint, we have two meetings. the trump tower meeting with russians that involved donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort, who is then the campaign chair, natalia

veselnitskaya, and a rob goldstone. that's meeting number one, june. two months later, another meeting, same venue, time you have donald trump jr., different cast of characters, erik prince, george nader and joel zamel. you want to focus on the social media manipulation. the first meeting was about having dirt straight out provided by the russians on hillary clinton. this, was about social media side. how extensive was, to your knowledge, that kind of manipulation and how effective could that have been to move the election in the direction of donald trump? >> i don't know how extensive based on this last meeting because it seems there's some debate about it they follow-up

on this or actually do it. the motto of the group was shape reality, which is fascinating. what we've seen even before the election, the russians kicked off the wave but now they just ride the tide. these companies that are using social media to manipulate audiences to try and push them towards a certain candidate or against them and we see this in this morning. you and i were talking before, this use of hashtags and themes, what i call hashtag hysteria to rile up an audience to try and push them towards things that could or could not be true of the this sort of setup is interesting that the campaign that was talking about america first seems to go really far afield around the world to find lots of assistance or take on lots of options about influencing about manipulating americans. >> we should mention that i do believe jared kushner was involved as leading the social

media operations in a big picture way. so, the question is whether or not the trump campaign was being duped by people who were claiming that this sort of social media could help them either to push people to vote for trump who were conservative or we know they also were trying at the same time to push people who were very, very liberal to not for hillary clinton. were they being duped by people who were overselling what they were capability of doing or is this stuff really effective? >> some of its stuff. but often times these techniques have taken on full form. i think we can see the effect in this if you just look at this social media nation that's really formed around donald trump. part of him securing his base no matter what the circumstances are is they look at what he says and what you see first and what you see the most or what you tend to believe and his audience sees first what donald trump as president says and the thing they see the most is what he says. he repeats the same things over

and over again. this insulates him in a bubble where they can't tell fact from fiction so they go with what they want, what they feel passionate about rather than the truth of the it's a dangerous thing for our country regardless of the 2016 election. >> just to that very point, donald trump is up this morning on a tweet storm. he's five or six tweets in. i have them all printed out here. he does emphasize to his supporters, things are getting ridiculous, the failed and crooked but not as crooked hillary clinton was done the most boring storm. has found nothing on russia. we were talking earlier on -- it's weirdly capitalized. he's constantly capitalizing things like collusion, no collusion. is this part of him just saying, don't look at that long and boring story, look at me. look at me and only list be to me. focus on me. we're here, you and me and we know there's no collusion and that's what this is about. >> the president and his team

have made themselves the filter for the world for his audience and they do that through capitalizing keywords. if you don't even read the source, you will remember the capitalized words, that's why you capitalize them. you'll remember the hashtags and hillary clinton and it's repeated so often that any evidence that might be to the contrary is pretty hard for you to look at in a balanced way and sort it out. >> donald trump doing this -- because he doesn't seem to be sophisticated or is this a team effort? is this someone tweeting in his name? do we know? >> there's a great article by draper at the "the new yorker" where he goes and does very deliberate breakdown of who authors donald trump's tweets or how the team is put together to do that. it sounds like dan scaveeno might be the person. when you see lots of misspellings, very confused, kind of rambling, kind of donald trump speech in the middle of the night or 11:30 p.m. that's probably the president. it's hard to tell which is

which. that story by draper does an excellent job of. >> it is very curious that right in the morning that they know the morning shows like this are going to be talking about him and this "the new york times" story, they know it's coming out and it's a very interesting point about the capitalized. >> that was loaded in the twitter cannon last night. you get it ready. you prep it. what are our themes going to be? let's go with the standard tweet mad lib, crooked hillary, servers, 33,000 emails, boom, boom, boom and let your audience do the rest. one of the interesting things about this new meeting, the george nader meeting is you have the presence of erik prince. erik prince did testify before the house intelligence committee. he claimed that he only had incidenceal contact with the campaign but that he wasn't involved. we now know of at least two meetings he was involved. one that also involved talking

about things relating to setting up contacts with the campaign and back channels and now this meeting. what do you make of it? so the involvement of erik prince, specifically, what do you make of that? >> i used to run into him while i was doing security contracting, all of the stories about what he was doing, like running the new private security force from columbia for the crown prince of the united arab emirates. he was the kind of guy that most westerners wanted to stay away from, but all the emiratesi wanted the pa nash of being around the blackwater guy. it is not a surprise to me that erik prince was the go-to guy for some secret operation to meet some secret russian oligarch. same thing for meeting, you know, george nader who is working for the crown prince of the united arab emirates and

prince alman of saudi arabia to have -- also have prince in this story also. they like that mystique that he provides and he bills himself as the guy that can sell things. he is not unconnected with the campaign. his sister is the secretary of education. he is considered a player within that world and for him to have been a liaison in some way, shape or form with either russian oligarchs or the royalty crowned princes of saudi arabia and the israeli security company that was providing shaping reality, perception management campaigns is not inconsiderate. what's most important here i think about this new "the new york times" story is the fact that we have a second full scale possible perception management campaign that was being run independent of saudi arabia -- i'm sorry of russia and which

could, in fact, be a completely new avenue of investigation for the mueller campaign. >> and what we have it's not a completely new avenue of investigation for the house intelligence committee. the house intelligence committee republicans closed their russia investigation in march saying they found no evidence of collusion, no crimes committed by anyone they investigatesed. they interviewed erik prince who may have lied to them about how extensive his ties were, jennifer. they also didn't seem to be interested in maybe discovering this new meeting because the second trump tower meeting never got -- it never came up. they just declared it case closed. what do you make of the fact that they didn't discover this when they were investigating? >> they are in the business of not investigating, they're in the business of helping the president end or disrupt the meeting. as you point out, it may be that erik prince is finally tangled up by testimony that was untrue to congress.

it is illegal of course to tell congress things that aren't true. i just happened to be in the state shells, i just gave money, if he is lying, that may be a crime. the other thing that they are doing, of course, we haven't gotten to that yet is in concert with the white house they are tempting to out -- in fact, they have outed a secret source for the fbi and an unprecedented intrusion into an investigation, an action against the national security of the united states, not only pa lieutenants this investigation but puts lives at risks, tells other security operations around the world not to trust us. it's the most outrageous thing we've heard from devin nunes. that committee in and of itself, sure they have constitutional protection, boy, are they not behaving in ways consistent with the oath of office. >> the result of that investigation, if you can call it that by the house intelligence committee, has only

been to out an fbi informant who was helping the national security interests of the united states. let's not mince words here. he was trying to discover, apparently, whether or not there was foreign manipulation happening in american presidential campaign. they've outed that person. "the new york post" has printed that name. george nader who is the other party to this new meeting is talking. george nader visiting moscow at least twice during the presidential campaign per "the new york times", after the election he worked with the crown prince to arrange a meeting with vladimir putin and people connected to mr. za mel also has ties to russia. nader's been cooperating with prosecutors since he was stopped and questioned in january.

whether or not devin nunes wants it to happen, this is all going to come out. >> let me take both of those things, on the george nader piece, the really interesting thing that you see here is this question, were there two separate unrelated foreign efforts to help donald trump win the presidency, were the russians acting in their lane and were maybe the saudis and emirates acting in their lane or were they working with george nader helping them coordinate? it's an extraordinary question. the second thing, on this question of outing a foreign -- outing an intelligence asset who's been providing helps for investigations for years of the it's not just devin nunes doing it. it was donald trump, the president of the united states -- the person who is charged more than any other american with protecting the national security and he is and devin nunes, the house intelligence committee chairman through their actions have outed this person for no other reason than they think he poses some

harm or if he doesn't, by the fact that outing him, they can throw sand into the gears of this investigation and give people away to attack the justice department. it is maybe the most despicable thing donald trump has done since he took office. his job is to protects the national security of this office. they have outed an agent and hurt other investigations that have nothing to do with donald trump that could -- that could be useful for the fbi and the intelligence community for protecting the national security, have potentially put lives at risk for people who are known to be associates of this intelligence source. it is an unbelievable breach of his oath of office. >> did you ever think you'd lived to see the day when the president of the united states in a major political party would go to war against the fbi? >> no. >> just to protect a president who may have colluded with a foreign power or two? >> not only is this ridiculous, the fbi would be broken and would be negligent if it did not follow-up on these leads.

they had two solid leads that came from overseas. these were our allies helping us. they sent someone it sounds like to go figure out what's the veracity of this. they were actually trying to maybe protect the campaign and if they go back and look at some of the fbi agent's text, what were they doing? they were trying not to reveal it to the department justice too earlier. everything the president says is false in this case. he has harmed us in terms of our intelligence sources. how will we ever be able to go to any intelligence source in america or overseas now and say, if you give me information, if you are working with our country we will protect you to the utmost? we can't do it and the world knows that. i would love to see the stats for intelligence collection a year from now to see how this effects us? >> the president of the united states opened we revealing an israeli intelligence asset to the russian foreign minister in the oval office in the meeting

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>> make no mistake, hamas is pleased with the results from

yesterday. those who suggest that the gaza violence has anything to do with the location of the american embassy are sorely mistaken. rather the violence comes from those who reject the existence of the state of israel in any location. after defending israel over the killing of dozens of palestinians by its security forces during protest in gaza last week, u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley walked out of a security council meeting as the palestinianion representative was about to speak. meanwhile, palestinians protesters are vowing to continue their campaign against restrictions imposed by israel. in the latest protest on friday, crowds were smaller due to ram dawn but at least 23 people were hurt. since the protest began two months ago more than 110 palestinians have been killed and 2,500 have been wounded. joining me now ayman mohyeldin.

it seems to me that nikki haley walking out on the palestinian delegation, it seems unprecedented, i could be wrong but it seems like a message. do they believe that they now have any relationship with the american -- with the white house or any negotiating position where they will get anything out of us? >> there's two different tracks. there's the relationship with the united states and the palestinian ambassador to the u.s. has been very clear thats mandate has been shift today try to focus more on grassroots efforts in the united states to reach out to churches and other organizations that are going to be natural allies of the palestinian to create a political grounds swell here in the country against the trump administration. >> black lives matter are one of the groups that are very much

separated. >> on a diplomatic level, i have not met a palestinian official over the last several months -- i started covering this particular decision back when it was made in december, on every trip there's not been one palestinian official that said to me that they believe the united states still has a role to play with this palestinian administration. it's gotten worse every single time and this time the official statement that came out from the palestinian authority, the american decision had put an end to the two-state solution that they had pushed israel over to a full fledge apartheid state and they no longer see a bilateral american led peace process. they want to internationalize this and see who the international players that can bring to bear pressure on israel to end the occupation which remains at the core of what this is all about. >> were the protests in gaza more about the move of the u.s. embassy to the jerusalem which sends a signal about the u.s. belief about whether jerusalem should be a shared city or was it about something else? >> it was a convergence of

things. this started six weeks ago and it was meant to time with a few different important dates for palestinians including land day, so there were symbolic days -- >> which was the day that israel was formed. >> exactly. the mass exodus of palestinians and led to the refugee crisis. there was land day. so there's a lot of things they were protesting. the last day of that was supposed to be may 15th which is the day of the catastrophe. they decided to hold a big protest to have the symbolism as well as the visual of showing the world that we are still here and that's why the protests were as forceful as they were or as large as they were. >> the charge that's been made on the israeli side is that the protests weren't authentic and it was hamas sending children to the wall with the goal of getting them killed.

>> there's no doubt that in any political environment you will see the governing authority or the political party try to exploit it for its political gains. they too also said they had representatives there. when -- we had a reporters on the ground there. when they were there, what they saw was that there were no palestinian faction flags. this was a viral movement that began online that certainly the palestinian political parties attached themselves to to lend credibility to. the more important thing when people say that, is that they don't understand what hamas is as an organization in gaza. they use it like a blanket, hey, they're all terror. they're a military organization or terrorist organization but it's also a social organization that runs clinics and hospitals. when they took control of gaza back in 2006 with the elections and subsequent takeover, all of the civil society work tharz used to work under the palestinian authority who had nothing to do with hamas

ultimately fell under the control of hamas. so the israeli government and the american government use this blanket statement that everyone in gaza is hamas then you're just using a blanket statements to justify the actions you're taking against a terrorist organization. that is a far cry from the reality on the ground. we don't even know if the protesters were trying to break out of control under hamas. we also want to get out of living under occupation. >> you can't get out of gaza. both sides are closed. >> you can't get out of anywhere. you are living under the rule of hamas which is a strict governing authority and you're also living under the occupation of the israelis and living under seet siege and a blockade led by egypt. >> so let me go to noga on the other side of this.

when i saw nikki haley walk out, what it said to me as somebody who's outside of this looking in, is we don't want to hear the palestinian side. we're only interested in talking to israel and while every u.s. administration has been very heavily pro-israel, democrat and republican, same, in this case, there's not even the figure leaf of saying we want to be an honest broker. what message now does the government of israel have? do they now believe themselves to be in full alliance with the united states, with the palestinians cut out? what did israelis now think the united states's role is? >> hi, joy. i think what israelis think and what the israeli government thinks is not necessarily the same thing. in terms of the israeli government, i think that they hope and wish that they are in complete alliance with the trump administration, but every once in a while cracks show up in

that relationship. there was the time a few months ago when netanyahu flatout said to his ministers that things with trump are complicated, this is when ministers were demanding west bank settlement and felt they had some kind of carte blanche from trump and netanyahu showed that it was unclear to fickle and i have to even say that in the last week there were moments of real oddity. the ceremony that inaugurated the u.s. embassy in jerusalem had very little to do with the israelis. it was completely alienate and had everything to do with the president's evangelical base back home in the united states including the preachers who gave the ben dictions and including really the way the whole thing was handled. for israelis it was a deeply alienating ceremony. >> yeah. with all of that going on, you

wrote a really terrific piece. it printed sideways on my printer. it's really in-depth. it's called a muslim among israeli settlers. you went to the settlements. people don't understand when you say settlement that it's an amore fuss thing. it's the places that are in the west bank -- this is would be seven, seven for my producers. it just shows how much of the west bank and what would be the state of palestinian is already taken up by settlements, by israeli settlements. you went there and talked to people. give us a sense of what you heard both from palestinians and israelis in those areas. >> so on behalf of the atlantic i went to what is considered occupied territory in the west bank. there are 385,000 israeli settlers in the west bank and 300,000 settlers in jerusalem and what's happening, basically, is imagine swiss cheese for your

viewers at home. the holes in the swiss cheese represent the settlements which are growing exponentially and whatever's left, that brief piece of land belongs to the palestinians. for many of the settlers when you talk to them it's a diversity of opinions about why they're there. there's a zealous in idolatry that a redeposition of the land will bring about the glory and sovereignty of the jewish people, for some it will bring about the ma sigha. they need to conquer literally and occupy all the land in order to protect the nation-state of israel. what you really see is that the redemption of the land for some, namely jewish settlers has come at the utter shattering and hum millation of the palestinian

people. the land itself has become almost a golden calf. it's placed on a pedestal where i fear that jewish morality, ethics and even democracy might not be able to touch it especially with this netanyahu government, which -- it has moved to the right. the window of what is acceptable has moved to the right. and the palestinians who are living under occupation are suffering and realizing, wait, what two-state solution? more and more settlements are being built. the united states just moved to the embassy to jerusalem. part of jerusalem was supposed to be the future capital of the palestinians. that's not going to happen any more. this is a mirage and ma s-- or essentially going on the path where it is right now where it's

an ethnic nation-state for jews and is an apartheid state. >> this is an important discussion that needs to be had. we'll keep doing this on this show. thank goodness we have ayman here. thank you very much for being here and noga, thank you very much. we appreciate you. i highly recommend reading, muslim among israeli settlers. it's in the atlantic. check it out. trump's quest for the nobel prize hits a snag next. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪

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the libyan model isn't a model that we have at all when we're thinking of north korea. in libya we decimate that had country. that country was decimated. this would be with kim jong-un something where he'd be there, he'd be in his country, he'd be running his country, his country would be very rich. i think we'll have a good relationship assuming we have the meeting and assuming something comes of it and he'll get protections that would be very strong. >> donald trump is scrambling to preserve his upcoming summit with kim jong-un after kim threatened to cancel the meeting unless denuclearization is taken off the table. without a summit, there can be no daeal. no end to missile tests.

it was south korea plus trump's own hubbus that lured the 45th president into this particular trap. service south korean president moon who slyly insinuated that trump deserved a nobel prize. this is the conundrum for donald trump. he'd already said he'd meet. he's giving them that legitimacy. before he got them to agree that denuclearization would be on the table, then they said to him after he agreed, no, actually we will not denuclearize. trump can't walk back off that limb, right? >> no. he wants to go. he wants to have this summit because he wants to be able to say i've accomplished something that no other predecessor was

able to accomplish which is to solve the north korean crisis. it's not that north korea is saying they don't want denuclearization because their definition is very different. we're talking about north korea giving up nuclear weapons program and north korea's talking about denuclearization of the korean peninsula if the u.s. hostile policy ends, what does that mean, end of south korea/north korea alliance. all of that. it's very different definition and it's very high risk situation at this moment. >> donald trump has already given in a lot. the north koreans demanded that we end joint south korean u.s. exercises, military exercises and trump did it. he gave in to something that the kim regime wanted in exchange for nothing. >> again, president trump is invested in having the summit. people are dangling nobel peace prize and he wants to have the summit. this is why it's hard to back away. after scrapping the iran deal

and when he said, this is not tough enough or strong enough. now he's really hyped in expectation for korea deal. >> bobby, to that point, we had a deal that the whole world got together and denuclearize iran. donald trump unilaterally pulls out of that deal. what credibility then does he have even to make the demand for denuclearization in the first place with north korea? >> it gives iran an additional talking point -- it gives the north koreans an additional talking point at the discussions if they ever do take place. this whole process has been backwards. you start talking about a deal with north korea, you say here are the carrots, here's what you have to give in exchange. denuclearization in exchange for a basket of economic goodies, then you say if you do that, then we will send the secretary of state over, we'll have a further conversation, we'll

bring the chinese in and south koreans in, then we'll possibly talk about a summit and if the summit happens then we talk about the nuclear prize. this has been reversed. finally now at this late stage, if they do this they'll get rich. this is completely the wrong way around and the north koreans didn't even have to -- there's been suggested they played their cards very smartly. they just held on to their cards. we're the ones playing our cards very badly. it's extraordinary to watch this. remember that french movie from a very few years ago, the home movie is backwards. this is what this feels like in foreign policy of the whole thing is in reverse. it makes no sense. >> on the last part of it that should be the first part of, you've already had donald trump and his administration talking about redoing the north korean electrical grid. that dangles money in front of american companies. this doesn't seem to make sense

as an offer to north korea. >> it doesn't. even though we're trying to make -- north korea doesn't not necessarily see it that way. >> all the americans show up. >> when we say, you too can be as rich as south korea or you too can eat meat that's very insulting and north koreans are taken it very differently than the way we met it. it's not working out. >> the regime is no fools. it's not hal burten they want. they do want foreign investment and progress but they're going to get much better terms from the south koreans and from the chinese both of whom have got plenty of money. they don't need american capital. they need american sanctions to go away. they need the americans to stop blocking the way. there are plenty of chinese investors and south korean investors who will go in there and put money in. >> more american mcdonald's is

not what they're asking for. >> china will be happy to include north korea under the one belt one world scheme and pump billion dollars of dollars in there. >> thank you both very much. coming up in our next hour. trump's war on amazon and a racist lawyer no good, very bad week continues. more "a.m. joy" after the break.

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we must discover love. the redemptive power of love. >> surrounded by wealth and royalty, the most reverend michael curry of chicago, first african-american to lead the u.s. episcopal church installed just one week after the massacre in charleston at 2015, delivered a call to act on behalf of the poor and hungry. his words at prince harry's wedding to meghan markle are needed worldwide. especially here at home. on friday house republicans failed to pass the latest farm bill which would have cut food assistance benefits by nearly $10 billion with a b. the bill failed, not because the house majority doubted its morality, but because several ultra conservative members wanted to throw in a vote on an immigration bill that would end family reunification and reduce legal immigration by a quarter. joining me now is bishop barber.

thank you for being here. >> good morning, joy. >> so we had reverend michael curry really astound the world with a message that you have also delivered for quite a few years now about the redemptive power of helping the poor and that being the core message of christianity. paul ryan doesn't seem to have heard that message. this is paul ryan on thursday talking about that farm bill that failed and the work requirements to get food stamps now called snap and why he thinks it is important. take a listen. >> if you are able to work, you should work to get the benefits. if you can't work, we'll help you get the training you need. this is going to get more people out of poverty. this is going to get more people a steady job. i'm very pleased that we are moving forward with this phase of the better way agenda. >> quite a contrast with bishop curry. >> well, bishop curry is a good friend. he first helped endorse the monday movement as well. he is preaching the gospel.

paul ryan is teaching greed. our movement is lifting up what the word really says about how we should treat the poor. ryan, mcconnell and trump and others are trying to blame the poor for their problems rather than blame the immoral systems that create poverty over 140 million poor and low wealth people in this country, over 13 million children, 73 million are women and children. most poor people are white women and children working and the disabled. but it is a distorted kind of morality when you treat corporations like people and people like things, where you are willing to give greedy -- tax cuts to the greedy but then take basic assistance from those in need. and that is why the poor people's campaign and national call for moral revival is standing up all over the nation. >> and i'll ask you what the next steps in that movement are, but i will also bring up the point that there is a lot of talk about the immigrant by jesus and the bible. but we now have the trump

administration preparing to warehouse immigrant children on military bases. just put them in sort of military warehouses away from their parents. what do you make of that? >> well, again it is so contrary to what our dooepeepest religio and constitutional values. our deepest constitutional values say establish justice. that is not just. we are to take care of other strangers and immigrants and treat them like brothers and sisters. it is interesting that when politicians hurt immigrants, they are described as having e actions of wolves. those are the scripture's words. you are not to hurt the children. so what we have and the saddest part is not just what the politicians are doing, but these extremists who call themselves preachers who continue to fortify their false beliefs in

these policies. >> and tell us what the poor people's campaign is doing to try to counter that. >> well, we have this massive gathering last week, over 31 states where people engaged in nonviolence moral civil disobedience of all different races and creeds. first of all, where he a e have the narrative. we have to get this issue of poverty talked about. secondly, we have to have nonviolent confrontation with the violence policies that are creating poverty and ecological racism. and thirdly, we have to have voter mobilization among the poor and power building among the monday. this monday, we are focusing at 2:00 in front of the capitol in washington, d.c. on systemic racism particularly through the lens ever voter sue prefgs appr how it connects to poverty.

a lot of red states are voter suppression states band where we have had voter suppression, the same states end up electing those against health care, against living wages, against union right, against programs that help the poor, who see social security as an sbilgtent. we have to challenge that. >> and we appreciate you doing that and telling us what you are up to. bishop, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. more a.m. joy after the break. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪ i want to believe it. [ claps hands ] ♪ ooh i'm not hearing the confidence. okay, hold the name your price tool. power of options based on your budget! and! ♪ we'll make heaven a place on earth ♪ yeah! oh, my angels! ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪ [ sobs quietly ] ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪

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he bought the "washington post" to have political influence. he wants political influence so that amazon will benefit from it. that's not right. and believe me, if i become president, oh, do they have problems. they will have such problems. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." donald trump is apparently making good on that threat. according to the "washington post" citing three people familiar with the conversations, trump has tried on multiple occasions to pressure the u.s. postmaster general to double the shipping rates on amazon this year. a move that could potentially cost the company billions. trump's beef with bezos goes way back. trump claims amazon's low shipping rates come at the expense of the postal service, but the post master service says that he is actually helping

accounting for up to a quarter of the revenue from a part of the postal service business that falls outside of delivering your daily mail. in the short version, the delivering your mail part is seeing its revenue slowly declining while the competitive products part like express mail and package delivery, the stuff amazon uses, is going up. so amazon is not what is hurting the post office. perhaps the real problem could be that in addition to amazon, jeff bezos also happens to own a certain publication that frequently gets under trump's skin by reporting accurate news about him that he likes to held his supporters is fake, namely the "washington post." joining me now to discuss, gabe sherman and tiffany cross. michelle bernard. and kurt bardella. thank you all for being here. so gabe, donald trump according to the "washington post," his friends, personally, personally

pushed the postmaster general to double the rates on amazon. they have so far resisted trump's demand explaining that these arrangements are bound by contracts and must be reviewed by regulatory commission. john dean, who is former nixon white house counsel tweeted the following. he said trump's effort to get the usps to hike rates on amazon because bezos owns the "washington post" is nixon at his worst. nixon had his aides understand take such dirty work. trump handles abuses himself. >> this "post" piece confirms what other people had reported and myself included back in april that trump wanted to go to war with bezos. this is now the most concrete evidence that he tried to. what i find striking is that question see this president as authoritarian instincts, but so far institutions have

constrained him. but the instinct is there and as dean quotpoints out, this is co from the president who wants to use the levers of the state to punish his enemies. >> and you have already tiffany donald trump potentially intervene management time warner merger because he doesn't like cnn or the way cnn reports on him, threatening companies using his twitter handle, levering their stock price up and down depending on what he says about them. we reported last week that you had ceos scrambling after the election to figure out howe to deal with him because they were afraid that he could hurt them from the white house. this is not normal american presidential behavior. >> it is not. only thing i find surprising about it is the surprise of everybody else. he has consistently used his position of power to attack his enemies. in the '80s, he attempted to mount a hostile take over

against two competing casino companies. and in 2000, he was fined for stopping an indian casino from opening. it is also worth noting he was also fined $200,000 from keep black employees away. and we also know what he did to the people in the rent controlled building. he turned off their heat, water, took out ads in the newspapers to offer homeless people to live in the buildings just to intimidate people who live there. so none of this is surprising. this is very consistent. i think the challenge with him and the "washington post," why he doesn't understand the separation from jeff bezos and the news operation is because he is so used to dealing with the "national enquirer." these are people who catch and kill stories to protect their friend. the "washington post" is not like that. i would say they are a paper of record. it is fine if you think they skew one way or another, but you can't argue with the facts. and if somebody gives bad president to him, he considers it fake news. and also at the end of the day, donald trump is just a hater. jeff bezos is a successful

businessman and donald trump, despite what he says, we haven't seen his tax returns, we don't know how successful he is. so i think a part of this is just being jealous about jeff bay soefs having this record success. >> and it is would be thione th talked a lot about this. this is the donald trump of new york, that new yorkers got used to dealing with, the things that tiffany is talking about, pushing around local officials, thinking he can buy off officials to get what he wants. bei lobbying to not put sprinklers above the 25th floor. and taking that to washington. it is interesting to me that the base of the republican party which claims to detest new york values -- remember when he defended new york values -- have really accepted these really fundamentally authoritarian ideas which are not typically

the way an american president operates. but the base of the republican party seems to have no problem with this kind of behavior. >> i'd like you to imagine if a democratic president was declaring war on a major private enterprise that creates countless jobs, contributes to our economy, what republicans in the ways would be saying about that political person. it is amazing to me that republicans have completely once again flipped on their own orthodoxy and are sitting by and are okay with the president declaring open warfare on a private company that creates jobs.party that says we're about jobs and the economy. here is the president of the united states, a republican, leader of their party abusing his office to try to seek retribution against a job cratecrate operator. it defies logic. and i'm waiting to see where republicans will stand up and finally say hey, this is insane because if it is jeff bezos and amazon today, it could be anybody else tomorrow.

>> and keep waiting there because i don't think the standing up will happen. i think republicans have made it clear they have ain't doing that. >> this is why i'm a democrat now. >> there you go. michelle, to that point, let's go through the time line of donald trump or the history of him. this is donald trump to sean hannity in 2016 talking about amazon. take a listen. >> jeff bezos controls amazon. amazon is getting away with murder tax wise. he is using the "washington post" for power so that the politicians in washington don't tax amazon like they should be taxed. he is getting absolutely -- he is worried about me and i think he said that to somebody, it was in some article. >> we're not sure donald trump pays taxes because we haven't seen his tax returns. so then you have in march, he says i have stated my concerns with amazon long before the election. they pay little or no taxes, use our postal system as their

delivery boy, putting thousands of retailers out of business. and april 3 again the post office is losing billions, taxpayers are paying for that because it delivers packages for amazon for below cost, et cetera. this is a contract that actually benefits the post office because a third of their business that is package delivery, amazon is like a quarter of their business, so they are helping keep it afloat. but the idea that donald trump is potentially what hurt the post office, he is president of the united states, he took an oath to defend the constitution and the postal service is a constitutionally required part of our government. >> not only would he potentially hurt the post office, but also the citizens of the united states that would end up reimbursing the government for probably millions of dollars in attorney's fees for all of the lawsuits that would come out of it. if you think back to bridgegate in new jersey, one of the thing that the postmaster general has to be thinking about is that when two employees of the state

government decided to close down lanes in new jersey as retaliation against a mayor who did not endorse chris christie, those two people got sentenced to serious prison time for conspiracy to break the law. and i just want to quote one of the assistant u.s. attorneys in that case literally said of the state action there that these are the actions of out of the play book of some dictator of a banana a republic. that's exactly what we're seeing here with donald trump. this is not a republican principle, it is not a conservative principle. i would, you know, tell viewers to look for example at a paper written and published by the heritage foundation called the actions against the corporation. and one of the people that they really found huge fault with for doing exactly what donald trump is doing is ralph nader. so we can now put ralph nader and donald trump under the same umbrella in terms of attacking koon

corporation. the republican party is supposed to believe in small government. this is not small government, this is big government. it is what the republicans have always said are their greatest fear and we have the greatest threat to the republican notion of small government sitting at the head of the white house today. >> i have to go back to kurt then. deconstructing the administrative state is what steve bannon said the goal was, to break government. but donald trump is using government to try to break individual businesses. >> he is using government to wield and settle personal scores, personal agendas, which is the exact opposite of what the party stands for, the idea that we have a smaller government, one with less power and less of an ability to do these types of things. and again, it speaks volumes that while all of this is unfolding, the paul ryan and mitch mcconnells of the world who spent years lambasting barack obama for his quote/unquote alleged abuses of executive authority are mute on all of this. >> and tiffany, there is no sound coming out of the republican party as a member of their party, leader of their

party attempts to use big, big, big government to break individual businesses that he is mad at. >> and i have to say jeff bezos has done a brilliant job of skirting capitol hill and he's gone directly to the state and local government where he has created all these jobs and talked to governors and some locally elected officials there. because at some point the way the rest of the panel pointed out, donald trump used to have checks and balances and now with the entire u.s. government at his disposal, they aren't working. so with the republican controlled congress clearing the way for him, they have been able to skirt the ridiculous hurdles and talk directly to consumers and lawmakers. and the fact that donald trump is trying to say that he cares about lett eter carriers, this why we can call it bs on the argument. if you are so concern kd about the working class, where are you on the educators?

uber and lyft drivers, he is silent on that. >> and the $2.7 billion net loss in fiscal year 2017, that is a lot down to federal congress. messing with their health care and pensions, not allowing the postal service to be as profitable as it could be because they don't believe that it should be a government service, they want to turn it over to u.p.s. and fedex. anyway, i want to come back to you on this, gabe, because i wonder how media companies are responding to this. because this is also an attack on the press. >> without question i think the "post" has handled it well. and i think jeff bezos has done a good job of not getting into a back and tort. i think donald trump wants to make it a clash of personalities. fundamentally, jeff bezos isn't the story. president trump

donald trump is the president. and it is incumbent for media companies to stick up for their work but not to get down in the muck and picking personal fights because we need to keep the focus on him, not on us as the reporters. >> and so michelle at the same time, the media is not necessarily all that popular with the public either. so it is not as if the media can sort of cry out for support from the public. but it is -- i think people maybe don't take seriously enough the threat of a authoritarian government and how quickly it can slide because people aren't familiar with this form of government. but donald trump is pushing the boundaries about as far as a president ever has. >> absolutely. i don't know if you are a fan of the television program the hand maiden's tail i go oletale, bute protagonist is moving to herself where were we when all this was happening, and that is what a is happening here. this is just not a story of what is happening to jeff bezos to

amazon, the attacks on cnn and the time warner merger, this is an attack on the fundamentals of our democracy. when somebody can go in and use the state power to decide this they will pick losers and winners, that is anathema to what the united states stands for. america promises all of us equal opportunity and donald trump is slowly eroding that. >> absolutely. thank you very much to the panel. next up, warehousing children. that is a thing. stay with us. if respect (vo) i was born during the winter of '77. i first mejames in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story. and that's why we'll always drive a subaru.

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. we have people coming into the country, trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. >> media had a bit of a debate with itself over that comment, even prompting the associated press to delete a tweet because it wasn't clear that he was referring to the ms-13 gang. when we talk about context, we have to remember that this is a president who does seem to slide back to talking about ms-13 a lot when talking about immigration. almost as if he is using them interchangeably. and who has been die humaeeen d

immigran immigrants. >> these countries send up their worst. remember in my opening speech i got criticized for it, remember? well, guess what? they are not sending their finest. that i can tell you. >> joining me now is president and ceo of vote latino and also congressman gomez of california. congressman, i want to start with you. on this question of donald trump and calling ms-13 members animals, should we make a distinction when he is talking about gang members or imgrant when he does slide back and forth between the two and a matter of fact, ms-13 members are also human beings, they are not good human beings, but they are human beings. >> you know, you raise a good point. here is the thing. this president started his presidency and his campaign demonizing mexican immigrants

and basically calling all of us, my parents, my siblings, rapists, criminal tss, murderer. so this is just a continuation. he might not have said that when he came a down the escalator, he might not have called us animals, but he was trying to delegitimize and marginalize immigrants. and this is just more red meat for his -- a certain segment of his base. so this is just a continuation. yes, he kind of picks out ms-13 as an example, but we know that when he says these remarks, he does it on purpose to really really up his base. so i don't buy this that he was just referring to ms-13 gang members because his actions and miss wor his words were constantly reinforcing the fact that he just doesn't believe in immigrants as a whole. so, no, i don't -- go ahead.

>> i'm sorry, just making the point that i don't recall and correct me if i'm wrong whether he called the vegas shooter an animal or the santa fe shooter an animal. and i remember he said the opposite about the charlottesville imagimarchers. when donald trump talks, his administration and supporters tend to talk like him. he has changed everyone's language so that everyone sort of sounds like him. here is sarah huckabee sanders responding to reporters asking about the animal comments. >> the president was very clearly referring to ms-13 gang members who enter the country illegally and whose deportations are hamstrung by our laws. if the media and liberals want to defend ms-13, they are more than welcome to. frankly, i don't think the term that the president used was strong enough. >> and one more, here is kellyanne conway this morning on fox depending tfending the idea

building a border wall. >> this president talks about keeping out illegal immigrants and folks who -- separately folks who come here to do harm. he is against catch and release. he obviously is very much against the savages in the ms-13 gangs. however he has also talked very crisply about the poison coming over our border and this wall would serve maenk functiny func keeping out that poison. >> poison, savages, animals. >> the last time we had donald trump talk about animals, he was referring to the central park five, individuals that were basically suspected of raping an individual and then were exonerated after many lived most of their lives in prison. that is what we're talking about. an individual that basically sees a swathe of color and immediately feels more comfortable categorizing them as animals. and that is not acceptable. the fact heather meyer was run down during that charlottesville

incident and he would not recognize it as an act of terrorism is not acceptable. the fact that right now immigrants, the people that he says crossed the border undocumented are the ones that are making him very rich. who are in his hotels, who are the people making sure that they are cleaning his home, taking care of his wealth? the fact that we cannot recognize the root force that imgrafrnts wake unevery single day and have to face because of not only his language, but his language is translating in to policy, that we have a to reckon with. between now and 2020, there will be close to a million immigrants that will become undocumented overnight because he has decided that he will revoke a lot of the residency, whether temporary protective status, daca, the list goes on. so once someone starts categorizing any human being as an animal, it is a slippery slope because all of a sudden we

are dehumanizing a whole swathe of americans and who our heritage is and that has got to stop. not only are his words important, but more importantly the policies and implications of those policies that he is creating. >> we interviewed filmmakers who talked about the fact that donald trump's trump tower on fifth avenue was built by largely undocumented polish labor and they threatened to deport them when they complained about not getting paid. congressman, let's talk about this policy. because the words which are offensive, but also the policy. donald trump's department of homeland security is now under the auspices of the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions, it will begin separating parents from their children if they come across the border undocumented. here is senator kamala harris grilling kirstjen nielsen on that policy on tuesday. >> your agency will be separating children from their parents. >> no, what we'll be doing is

prosecuting parents who have broken the law just as we do every day in the united states of america. >> i can appreciate that. but if that parent has a 4-year-old child, what do you plan on doing with that child? >> the child under law goes to hmpt hhs for care and custody. >> they will be separated from their parents. >> and that happens every day in the united states. >> this administration needs to get their story straight. kelly actually said that this was a way to try to deter families, parents from coming to the united states. it is not a policy of making sure the kids are safe. it is meant to terrorize the families, terrorize the parents so that they don't come here. so this party of family values, right, is actually terrorizing kids by stripping them away. and even if my own district, kids are afraid that their parents will be deported and they are legal citizens. so this is not something that is

isolated to just the border. so we've seen this. and this kind of rhetoric that we've seen just creates a lot of fear within the immigrant community across the country, not just the ones that are coming here currently. >> and kirstjen nielsen on claims that it is just when you prosecute a parent being -- and i'm not sure crossing the border is a felony, but anyway, that you will prosecute a separate event. jeff sessions has said very explicitly that this is punitive, it is designed to be a determent to tell people we will separates you from your children if you try to come here. we've talked about on this show instances where they just simply separated then, not to prosecute the parent, but to separate them and you now have the "washington post" reporting that the trump administration is preparing to hold those separated children not in hhs custody, but to warehouse them on military bases. >> secretary nielsen is clearly

in over her head. the fact that she was about to resign because president trump hurt her feelings, not because they literally are going around knocking on doors without warrants, trying to separate families and parents from their children in broad daylight. now basically individuals are crossing the borders trying to seek asylum and that is something that is acceptable by our laws. and separating those women and children at the border is important and the fact the secretary nielsen is trying to tout the trump game instead of saying that look, we are on the verge of maybe possibly breaking laws. but let's go back to this. when she said that these children are going to be processed by dhs, we should all be alarmed. dhs has lost close to 1700 young minors. they literally don't know where they are. they don't know if they have been lost in the system, if they have been given to people that can further them in harm's way.

where is the accountability. republicans claim that they are the party of family values, but they are not paying attention to the ones that need the most voice right now and that is dangerous. >> and congressman, what is congress doing about this? we've heard reporting that some big business groups are trying to push republicans to rethink immigration reform. there is a statistic insis is a there. is anything happen something. >> we have a republican leadership that doesn't want to take on this issue. we do have an issue that we're trying to deal with regarding daca, we have 21 republicans signing a discharge petition. we need 25 of them including the majority -- all the democrats to pull the bill regarding daca and create a queen of the hill process on the floor of the house of representatives. but the republican leadership doesn't want it. because they know that they need

to turn out their base. but the moderates within the republican party and the democrats as a whole are trying to push to solve daca and to make sure that the kids that are here, that are undocumented, that are under the daca program have a path to stay here. so we're trying to solve it, but without this change in leadership, without a change in who twols tcontrols the house, r get there. >> and we come right back to the elections again. got to vote and get a different congress if you want a different presidency. that you think y thank you both for your time. coming up next, this weekend racism.

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if they can come here and live off of my money, i paid for their welfare, i paid for their ability to be here. the least they can do is speak english. >> that racist rant by aaron schlossberg is just the latest putting the spotlight on racism. and while he talks tough to restaurant workers, he apparently can't handle a few questions from the press. >> why are you running, man? you don't want to stand by what you said? aaron, hey, when did you decide that you decided to be a racist like this? >> since the tirade, he lost his office lease and his law firm has been slammed with one star reviews on yelp. but the best response splay come from t may have come from the protesters with the mband. ♪

>> i love new york. tiffany and bukurt are back wit me. it is interesting that the thing in the original schlossberg video that does feel like a tick among people, he gave $500 to the trump campaign, check, he is presumably sort of a conservative trump supporter, whatever, we don't know for sure what he is, but that is what he seems to be just based on his donation. this tick of saying i pay for your welfare, a, assuming somebody who is brown or speaking spanish is on welfare, and b that this thing of you are taking my money, you are reaching in my pocket, that is what you see in the data and anecdotal evidence of people's

propensity to support donald trump or republicans in general. >> completely. and this is how dog whistle politics trickles down for main street people who take it upon themselves that they will police the language that a people are speaking in these restaurants. i mean, look, i don't want viewers to think that it has to be a viral video for it to be something racist. these type of microing a gle aa people of color experience all the time. this aaron schlossberg is the same person who is in the office next to you, the boss deciding your promotion, the doctor treating you, et cetera. so i don't want people to think that racism is just somebody donning aklans outfit. it is not. and this is just another example of the entitlement. who empowers you to tell people what language they can speak. and why are you proud of speaking only one language.

>> he is proud on his website that if you call to use his services, that you can get services in spanish and french. he prides himself on being bilingual. >> we will take your money, but he doesn't want you serving your food 23 you aif you are speakin spanish. again, none of this is surprising. people of color have experienced this behavior our entire lives. this is what it is like to go through life with black and brown skin. people feel like they can talk to you any kind of way and the system is designed where these people are in power. black people have been slaves longer than we've been free and we're still dealing with a system designed for us to fail. >> and you know, you do have embedded in that, you know, the offensive part of it thinking that he does think that he has the right to tell people what language to speak in a country that you can speak whatever

language you want. but this tick of saying all of you are on welfare and you are syphoning my money out, you've heard people even if they are thinking or saying it in a benign way, making this assumption of people of color that they are criminal or on welfare, and that is also feeding into this idea of constantly calling 911 on people. that you are a black person. oh, you shouldn't be in this space. you don't seem appropriate to me. so i'll take it upon myself to remove you using the police. that is also happening a lot. when you are in breitbart world, was it a common thing? is it fed more to people or did you find that that was a common belie belief? >> one way that we see this play out is in our political leadership when there is cast this idea that there are givers and takers in our system. and that we've seen going back to reagan the idea that anyone that is receiving government support in any way is a taker. and of course they permeate this ridiculous notion that that is coming out at the expense of

white americans and middle america. and that immigrants and people of color and minorities are taking something from you that you can't get back, they feed into this fear. and where the breitbarts and fox news of the world come into play, they just add fuel to that fire. they put up the headlines. there is a reason why anytime there is any type of criminal activity involving an illegal immigrant or person ever color that that is the leading home page blasted all over.ever colo that that is the leading home page blasted all over. they try to retell it using small isolated examples to m manipulate their audience. >> and it is both an irritant to live with, but it can also be deadly. people are taking those engrained beliefs and empowering themselves to remove people using the police. and they can realize that it is just bs or the confrontation can go the way we've seen it go over and over again.

and these can be nine traffic stops that somebody ends up dead. so here is a woman who decided in oakland, california that black men using a charcoal grill in the park where the grill is there for you to glrill shouldnt be there and she decided to remove them using the police. >> it says this is a designated barbecue area. >> no, in order for a charcoal grill, no charcoal grills are allowed. >> i'm like look, i'm minding my own business. i've been here 42 some years, i know where i can and cannot barbecue at. >> no police called me back and now they are shoving me. >> oh, they are shoving me. i have it on video. i didn't shove you. >> the kid is following you. >> because i'm following them. nobody asked you to be here. nobody asked you to be here. you're the one harassing people. >> okay.

that has spawned a lot of memes, the woman on the phone complaining about obama, i heard one of them talking about dynamite. a woman called on the royal wedding excuse me there a black lady here accosting a ginger prince. but it is almost like an epidemic. >> it is absolutely an epidemic. imagine being -- i would ask your white viewers to imagine being black or brown and living in a world where you are at the same time overpoliced and underpoliced. the police are called on you because you are barbecuing. and then people lie and say that you are pushing them and following them and by evidenced by the videotape, she was never in any physical danger whatsoever. no one pushed her, no one was following her. they were doing what many white

people did every day of the week and no one calls the police on them. from barbecuing to everything else that we have seen across the country, black people and brown people are being overpoliced for petty offenses. and then when we see actual violent crime or actual major crimes that take place in brown and black communities where the police need to show up, we don't see any evidence of the police. it is absolutely dangerous and the uptick in violence and these microagressions that we have seen against people of color since president trump was elected to the highest office of the land has opened up a ground swell of overt acts of racism. >> and you see the polling there, people believe -- 49% believe that racism has gotten worse, 37% say about the same. only 12% say that it gotten better. and there is an nrc poll saying that 57% believe trump is a racist. we've seen people removed for sleeping in the common room at

yale. a yale student who is not allowed to sleep there. we've seen a man an costed for having his own baby in a stroller and people called the police on him. we've had a real estate investor inspecting the home -- the police called on him. in manhattan someone moving in to their own apartment. at certain point someone will call the police on barack obama. i see a black man walking in to clum bee a universi columbia university. >> can i add, that student at yale had to actually pull out her i.d. just to prove that she was a student at yale. >> and we could do a whole show on this. thank you all very much. coming up at the top of the hour, why roger stone says he is prepared to be indicted in the russia probe. but up next, more "a.m. joy." rwd to this all week, but how will his denture cope with... a steak. luckily for brad, this isn't a worry

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an opening prayer at the new embassy in jerusalem. but why some believe that they would go to hell even at the event? >> islam is wrong. mormonism is wrong. takes hair ci it is a herecy at the end of hell. you can't be saved if you are a jew. do you know who said that? peter, paul and jesus christ. they all said judaism won't do it. it is faith in jesus christ. >> joining me now to explain is frank schaffer. thank you for being here. and sir, it is not just robert jeffress. mitt romney had thoughts on that whole mormon thing. but there is a passage from a sermon in the 1990s talking about jews going to hell. take a listen. >> he went to the jews of europe and said i want you to come and join me in the land of israel.

those who came founded israel. those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust. why did it happen? because god said my top priority for the jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of israel. >> and in a sermon in the '90s, pastor said that the bible made it clear that hitler and the holocaust when about 6 million jews were killed were part of god's plan to return jews to israel. god allowed to happen. why did it happen? because god said my top priority for the jewish people is to get them back to israel. he was at that opening of the embassy, too. why would these two groups be in the same space? israelis and people who believe that they are going to hell. >> well, joy, thank you for having me on. the reason they are in the same space by the way while palestinians are being shot by snipers over a wall in a 60 to nothing confrontation where 60 palestinians killed and no

israeli soldiers are killed, at that moment there are white evangelical trump supporters talking about the embassy coming into jerusalem as a sort of act of god. but actually it is not by chance. the israeli government and the present prime minister have made it clear that lobbying for the jerusalem embassy and also support of israel has focused on pandering to the extremists. the lunatic fringe, forgive me, but the moron fringe of the evangelical white movement in america, that believes that israel had to return to the original borders described in the bible in order for jesus to come back and by the way when he does come back to burn most of the jews who have not believed in him while setting up the new earth and the new heaven. so we are now looking at exactly what happens with so much evil in the world that comes down to

tribalized religious thinking. >> and i want to very quickly play fox news tieing to donald trump to biblical prophecy. >> donald trump recognized history. he like king cyrus before him fulfilled the biblical prophecy of the god's worship by jews, christians and, yes, muslims. that jerusalem is the eternal capital of the jewish state and that the jewish people finally deserve a righteous, free and sovereign israel. >> this is a very blood belief on the part of the evangelical right. >> yeah, and it is an insane belief and it is the same belief th that you see in india today with nationalist 4i7b due hindus who muslims. so whether palestinians or the muslims or right wing americans saying jews are going to hell,

the religious intolerance that you see at the heart of this movement recognizes the culmination of decades of the israeli government propagandi propagandizing and giving access to these evangelicals in a cynical bid for their support which is eventually going to backfire. it is going to backfire because eventually america will come to its senses. we are going to see the democrats and people of a more liberal persuasion in power. and the evangelical vote is not going to mean what it means now. >> frank schaffer, always preerkd you appreciate you com in. more "a.m. joy" next. appreciate. more "a.m. joy" next. ♪

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