i will see you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. right now, i hand you off to andrea mitchell for "andrea mitchell reports." whether the justice department spied on his campaign. while reports surface of a second trump tower meeting between donald trump, jr., and other foreign governments offering money to the trump campaign. >> i think what we're seeing here is the president has just taken his all-out assault on the rule of law to a new level. and this time he is ordering up an investigation of the investigators, who are examining his own campaign. you know, that's really shocking. >> coming up, we'll talk to the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. cold feet as south korea urges donald trump to keep next month's summit date with kim jong-un. the president reportedly worries he might face political embarrassment by the outcome.

>> there may be some kind of a way to create a breakthrough here. but the chances of kim jong-un literally giving up his nuclear weapons are about the same as the chances of the mexicans paying for the wall. not going to happen. and fountains of lava. more than 40 homes destroyed and a resident now injured, as a volcano cut off escape routes. >> this is one of those massive fissures that have opened up in residential areas. more than 20 of them, even at a safe distance away, we can feel the heat and its power. ♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell in watching. we'll have a report from hawaii later in the show. here in washington, president trump is igniting a new firestorm in his attacks on the mueller probe, now he's ordering the justice department to investigate white house charges that the fbi planted a spy

inside the trump campaign for political purposes. rod rosenstein trying to side step the charge by telling the justice department's inspector general to investigate, expanding an ongoing i.g. review of fisa applications. democrats slamming the president, saying he's crossing a line by trying to undermine the independence of the justice department. both "the new york times" and "the washington post" report that contrary to the president's charge, the fbi used a long-established academic infor mamt to look into possible interferen interference by the russians. and in addition to that infamous june 2016 meeting with the russians at trump tower, donald trump, jr. also met with representatives from persian gulf countries and a long-time trump supporter who offered what could be illegal foreign contributions to the trump campaign. joining me now to talk about all this kristen welker and carol

lee here with me onset. kristen, first of all, have you heard anything at all whether the president will accept this inspector general's report from rod rosenstein as a way out of a real confrontation with the justice department? >> reporter: that's the key question. the white house isn't saying at this point in time. what i can tell you is his attorney, rudy giuliani, defending his calls to have the justice department investigate this informant. over the weekend, giuliani saying all he's asking for is for them to investigate it. he's not telling them what to conclude. so it's perfectly appropriate. but if rod rosenstein doesn't find anything once the justice department looks into this potential informant, what will the president do? how will he respond? what will the fallout be? and a lot of people pointing to the fact that several weeks ago, he said he wasn't necessarily going to engage with the justice department, so this really marks

a shift. the fact that he, in his own words, demands that they look into this informant is a real shift for this president and a shift with the president, because we haven't really seen a president in recent years take on his own justice department in this way, continuing to jumd mi -- undermine those who are investigate russia's meddling in the 2016 election. we know this is increasingly infuriating the president. the fact that this probe has continued to drag on and on. rudy giuliani saying robert mueller told him he would finish his investigation by september 21st. we don't know if that's the case, but the trump team trying to put a book end on this, andrea. >> and carol lee, let's talk about the two positions here, because the reporting from "the washington post" and "the new york times" and several others, in fact, is that this was not a spy inside the campaign. this was a long acting informant to the fbi and potentially the

cia, as well. and it was the least invasive thing that they could do to see if this academic could draw out carter page, pgeorge papadopouls to see if there was a trump connection. >> exactly. the way the president is framing this is that it was somebody infiltrating his campaign, who they put inside the campaign spying on them, and that's not according to the reporting what happened. it was a man used in -- like this is bread and butter type of stuff for federal investigations. you have an informant. they reach out to somebody to try and see if there's some sort of there there. but i think the president right now, what he did today is escalate things. he's had this feud with the justice department since the beginning of his presidency, if not before during the transition. he's said in recent weeks, i'm not going to get involved but i

may at some point. this seems to be what he was referring to, and he is and putting overt pressure on the justice department. and he -- rudy giuliani can say the president is not telling them what to conclude for the investigation, but he's already made what he believes to be the conclusion very clear saying this was a politically motivated act. >> and i want to circle back to your own reporting from december, 2017, where you and others from our investigative unit reported the president had been warned during the transition by the intelligence agencies and the fbi of russian interference into his campaign. and he didn't seem to accept that warning. but is now almost getting all concerned about something that may not -- that we're told actually didn't take place. >> it was remarkable that you have -- the fbi basically say this would be happening. here's what it would look like. let us know if you see anything

like this, or experience anything like this. and it's -- we don't know how far that went, whether it went to don, junior and members oh of the campaign. but clearly, this was a campaign that had an openness to contact with foreign governments and assistance, potential assistance from foreign governments that we haven't seen in a presidential campaign ever. >> and just to follow up on that, this was a meeting that don, junior had that had not been reported but mueller is looking into, that involved eric prince, the brother of -- rather controversial brother of betsy devos, a big campaign contributor, someone who had met with secretary mattis. steve bannon had the idea of privatizing the afghan war, and hiring mercenaries to replace the u.s. troops there. and he had met with don, junior and brought with him some persian gulf princes offering foreign interference. one of the people there was

george nader, who has been coop na rating with -- cooperating with robert mueller. >> reporter: prior to the statement, the -- here is the statement. >> reporter: so that is the official line, but andrea, clearly this is yet another example of donald trump, jr. meeting with someone from another country that's now coming under scrutiny by mueller. >> and i should point out, it was not during the transition, but during the campaign and foreign money going into a u.s. election campaign is illegal. so we'll have to leave it there for now. thank you both so much. president trump beginning his day at the cia. it's his second viz it to t-- v

the agency. meanwhile, gina haspel at that event today was sworn in as the first woman to lead the spy agency. >> instead of apologizing for our nation, we are standing up for our nation, and we are standing up for the men and women who protect our nation. we will be counting on you to confront a wide array of threats we face, and to help usher in a new era of prosperity and of peace. the exceptional men and women of this agency deserve exceptional leadership, and in gina haspel, that is exactly what you're getting. >> congressman adam schiff is the top democrat on the house intelligence committee and joins me now. so you have a new cia director

confirmed by the senate, sworn in today with the vice president and the president there. and in this swearing in ceremony am introducing the dignitaries there, the chairman of your committee, of house intelligence devin nunes, whom you've crossed swords with multiple times, was there and he called him a cr courageous man, the president did. i suspect you would not describe devin nunes as courageous. >> that's not the description i would use. in the times in the past where congress has tried to break down the independence of the justice department or interfere with an investigation, you had the president doing the blocking and the tackling and making sure the president protected the department. here you have the president battering down the independence of the justice department, and you have willing allies like devin nunes and gowdy and jordan who are too happy to help.

>> you mentioned house republicans from the freedom caucus and others allied with them. how concerned are you that we are reaching a point where, if rod rosenstein's dodge, if you will, to turn this over to the inspector general, if that does not pass muster with the president, are we getting to a real confrontation? >> well, it looks like a saturday night massacre in slow motion. we have seen the erosion of the independence of the justice department, which alarms me. we saw it in the lifting of the gag rule on the witness in uranium one. we saw it in the acceleration of the investigation against andrew mccabe so he could be fired before his pension vested. and now see it in the investigation of his own investigators. clearly this is designed to undermine the investigation. it's designed to distract from the president's growing legal troubles. and the question is, will we go

along with it? and sadly, we have a weak speaker who is not willing to stand up to this effort in the house, to undermine the investigation. and we have a president who has no respect for the rule of law. that makes for a very dangerous mix for our democracy. >> the president tweeted yesterday, if the fbi or doj was infiltrating a campaign for the benefit of another campaign, that is a really big deal. only the release or review of documents that the house intelligence committee also senate judiciary is asking for can give the conclusive answers. drain the swamp. he's asking for the release of documents which would reveal the name of this fbi informant. >> he's certainly asking for information to be provided to congress that the justice department, fbi says would put lives at risk, would interfere with an investigation. might interfere with relationships with our allies, and the president's answer is, i don't care. i only care about what's good for me, and this is good for me. and sadly, that's the attitude of some of the members of the house, as well.

and that is a terrible new and destructive low for this congress and this administration. >> and if it is true that this could interfere with relations with our allies, that means that this was also a cia informant, because most likely if it -- if it interferes with our relations with overseas intelligence agencies. i want to ask you about the second meeting at trump tower during the campaign with foreign governments. don, junior acknowledging that there was a meeting but saying they never acted on it, but an offer from persian gulf countries for help to the campaign. this would be illegal if it were received, if it were acted on. were you aware of it? >> i was not aware of it. there's some meetings with some of the same players that we have had information about -- >> in the seychelles? >> we were aware of the meetings in the seychelles.

you know, one thing is for certain, we cannot rely on the representations of don, junior or his attorney. is this another meeting that was about adoptions or social media and we rejected it? we don't know what happened at that meeting. george nader does. this would be a willingness and attempt to seek foreign help that would bear on their intent in terms of the russia meetings. but it could be a separate violation if they were receiving foreign help from other foreign parties. >> could these persian gulf companies be passing money through russia? >> there's been allegations along those lines, as well, that michael cohen was a conduit for money coming from the gulf. we know the inflows to that account of michael cohen. we don't know the outflows. where did that money go that michael cohen was receiving? a lot of big, unanswered questions.

it feels like a growing sense of alarm on the president's part, that boil to a head on sunday as he's watching this unfold. for someone who keeps claiming no collusion, no collusion, no collusion, he's acting like someone who doesn't believe his own proclamations of innocence. >> i'm very curious about some of the interactions with some of the country with qatar, which during the early stages, was approached by people connected to kushner, people connected to trump for -- for money, and said no apparently. they then found themselves embargoed by the saudis with the support of president trump, to the great surprise of the defense secretary and the then secretary of state. and then apparently in recent weeks, qatar has come through with some bailout money for the troubled kushner family enterprise at 666 5th avenue.

do you have some concerns that foreign policy is being influenced by some of these financial entanglements? >> without a question. i have great concerns about it. congress ought to be doing oversight. those who would be doing oversight are not willing to. but you have a situation with qatar where allegedly they didn't go through with a transaction with the trump family, and then they got punished by the u.s. government. the situation with china where the president said he was going to revisit one china policy, and when he decided not to, ivanka gets trademarks. he decided to sanction the chinese firm zte. he reversed his course when china invests in a $500 million trump property in malaysia. are these related? we don't know. >> could this be part of the mueller probe? >> i think the mueller probe needs to look at the issue of

certainly vis-a-vie the russia investigation, is there other evidence that this was the m.o. of the trump family? that is, trading foreign policy decisions for money, for business investment. but beyond mueller, the justice department, whether it's bob mueller or not, the justice department needs to be looking at any credible allegation that the first family is selling the policy of the united states to make a buck. >> adam schiff, thank you so much. thank you, congressman. coming up, see you in september. rudy giuliani says robert mueller gave him a new timeline for the russia probe. details ahead. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ert. i'm your phone, stuck down here between your seat and your console, playing a little hide-n-seek. cold... warmer... warmer... ah boiling. jackpot. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, you could be picking up these charges yourself. so get allstate,

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and rudy giuliani now claiming that special counsel robert mueller told him that he hopes to finish his investigation into whether the president trying to obstruct justice by september 1st. if the president agrees to an interview. how likely is it that mueller would agree to such a timeline and tell rudy giuliani that? sam buhl is a law professor at duke university and joins me now. good to see you. >> hi. >> from what you know of prosecutors and robert mueller, how likely is it that he would say, okay, give me the president for an interview and we'll wrap it up by september 1? how do you know that before you interview the president? >> i think your skepticism is well founded, andrea.

i couldn't see a prosecutor saying that. he might have said something like, you know, we would like to get the interview done by then. and then that's being taken as an indication that's the last thing, so it's over at that point. but of course, that might just be the obstruction part, even if that were true. we know there are other important parts to this investigation, some of which you were discussing with the congressman. so i think september 1st may be another example of this wishful thinking that a series of the president's lawyers have attempted to engage in here, say thing is about to be wrapped up. people need to understand, this isn't dragging out. the average complex white collar case in federal court from investigation through everything else is going to take a couple of years. and this isn't your average case. so we could talking about a time-out for the election season, not an end of the investigation. >> and when you say this is complicated, this is a counterintelligence case, which

involves a global sweep in search of evidence, far more complicated than your average white collar case here in the u.s. is it possible that mueller is -- he's going to have to take a time-out. would september 1 be logical at the beginning of the general election campaign? >> that's not an prosecutors have to deal with often, but you folks in the media talk about labor day, at least you used to, as the beginning of the campaign season. i think it makes sense, yeah, sure. everyone comes back end of august, things gear up in all spheres in washington. that's probably a point at which mueller and his team want to put their heads down and stay out of the picture. but really we're just talking about a couple, three months of a time-out. i don't see that as an end to the investigation. unless he decides he wants to write an interim report just on the obstruction issue. you could see him deciding that he has that ready to go at the end of the summer. >> in fact, he would probably --

if he were to issue an interim report to rod rosenstein to be turned over to congress, let's say, that would have to be done before the general election campaign. you couldn't pull another jim comey. >> yeah. i think, you know -- labor day would be the latest you would want to have -- because that's as you well know going to be dominating the media for at least a week if that report comes out. so you would have to have that thing ready to go late august. so i think a lot of this has to do with jockeying that's continuing to go on here about this interview question. what is the president's willingness to be interviewed and under what conditions? i don't think that has been settled at all. so a lot of this talk may be ways of trying to maneuver each other into position for either the kind of interview that the president would like to have or the sort of interview that mueller would prefer. i'm sure there's not a meeting of the minds at this point. >> sam, thank you very much,

professor. and coming up, president trump weighing on whether or not to keep his date with kim jong-un. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. come here, babe.

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the president may be having second thoughts about next month's summit with north korea's leader, worried that the meeting he agreed to so quickly might turn out to be politically embarrassing. now that north korea has stepped up its demands. "the new york times" reporting that the question has been questioning aides and allies whether he should risk this meeting without any guarantees that north korea would give up its entire nuclear arsenal. south korea's president moon arrives in the u.s. today and will meet with the president tomorrow. the new secretary of state is also outlining tough new demands with iran. so we have a lot to talk about with our next guest, ambassador wendy sherman, former undersecretary of state for political affairs in john kerry's state department and someone who is -- well, she's an nbc global affairs contributor and negotiated with kim jong-un's father, and of course, with iran. >> indeed.

>> on both accounts. let's talk about north korea first. he agreed to take the summit quickly on the assurances from south korea that he was ready to denuclearize, whatever that means. but no one ever believed that kim jong-un would give up his entire arsenal, certainly not after john bolton talked about the libyan model, which is gadhafi giving up his weapons and getting killed a number of years later without that nuclear deterrent. so should the president be cautious about leaping into this summit or should he just go ahead and down play the expectations? >> well, certainly if he goes ahead, he better down play the expectations, because he's not going to get everything he wants all at once. kim jong-un is going to be very well prepared for this summit. this is all he cares about. this is what he has to focus on. no we, the people, no military, no press. not true for the president of the united states, even though he tries to control the narrative here. and i don't think the president is going to put in the time and attention he needs to learn

about north korea's nuclear program and its long-range ballistic missiles and he needs to know the details. >> there's a very interesting op-ed from jim clapper who has been to north korea and was the intelligence officer during the korean conflict. >> indeed. >> in the region. and knows full well how hardlined they are. they do want recognition, they want a peace treaty and thinks we should offer the peace treaty and some pullback of troops on both sides. and our goal should be to get rid of that artillery positioned at the dmz and can take out seoul before we can launch anything. >> what jim was suggesting, and i agree, that we not wait until they do everything that we offer something. that we re-create what's called simultaneous steps in a negotiation where you agree on the orchestration, on the dance. and then people move forward. we did that at the end of the clinton administration to get a

temporary, and we hoped one day full-time moratorium on their missile testing. we agreed on those dance steps, and they came through. >> now, on iran, which you helped negotiate, pompeo's speech today, the new secretary of state, a 12-point list of demands for iran that are unacceptable to europe and most of the allies, probably unacceptable to russia, because it calls for iran to withdraw from syria, as well. and basically in the q and a, he seemed to be calling for regime change. >> i think that pompeo gave us a wish list today, and it's a wish list probably everybody can agree to, but you can't get it all at once. because then you're negotiating against yourself, as one is traded off against the other. and in fact, i think that pompeo's going to have a very hard time. he didn't really give us the how he was going to get this done, but rather saying that, in essence, iran had to capitulate, and your point is the most important. at the end he said i won't determine the timetable here in answer to a question. the iranian people will.

and that's code for, they should rise up and change the regime. >> i had an e-mail from president macron's ambassador to the united nations, a former french ambassador to the u.s. here in washington, who is so aggrieved by this withdrawal, as are other europeans, and talking about it as a real isolationism by the u.s., and the fact that now europe has to act on its own and try to reform and expand the u.n. security council, which is a wish list that's hard to n navigate. but work without the u.s. >> we're seeing more and more of this from europe because we're seeing more and more of it from president trump. he dised the europeans when he pulled out of the paris climate agreement and the iran agreement, even after this was phone negotiation. and we've seen the president pull his punches on nato, and on

ukraine and every other place of interest to europe. they've been our economic and security partner, but i think they're looking for other routes to the same objective. >> wendy sherman, a top diplomat in several administrations, so good to see you. thank you very much. coming up, mail call. how the president tried to use the post office in his war against amazon. p.s., amazon is owned by the same person, jeff bezos, who owns the washington post. stay with us. d seamless experiee across web and tablet? do you want $4.95 commissions for stocks, $0.50 options contracts? $1.50 futures contracts? what about a dedicated service team of trading specialists? did you say yes? good, then it's time for power e*trade. the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. looks like we have a couple seconds left. let's do some card twirling twirling cards e*trade. the original place to invest online.

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welcome back. president trump escalating his war against amazon and its owner jeff bezos by pressuring the postmaster general to double shipping rates for bulk mail on the internet giant. it's an attack many say of richard nixon who fired his irs commissioner after he attempted to warn the president of pressure to audit certain white house staff members -- to audit white house enemies, more accurately. rachel maddow did this story on friday night. sit a remarkable 20-minute review of the nixon tapes. nixon made it clear he needed an ally instead of an enemy.

>> let's get the inside scoop from peter baker, a chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and kimberly atkins. peter, first of all, this attack, this pressure on the postmaster general, according to "the washington post," they had three sources saying there were separate meetings repeatedly telling the postmaster general that she had to increase the bulk rates on amazon. the only president that one can think of that we know about to use the office of the presidency to go after a single business or so-called enemy is in the days of richard nixon. >> yeah. that's very -- obviously what makes this troubling is the idea that it's connected to complaints that he has about the coverage of him by "the washington post." now, there are many -- there may be issues whether amazon does or does not have the best deal possible.

certainly its competitors have feelings about that. but nobody thinks outside of the white house that president trump enters this with clean hands, that he doesn't have a particular motivation here. that's the real question here, would he be concerned about the health of the post office or the shipping rates of various businesses if it were not the fact that jeff bezos owns the washington post. so it does echo of richard nixon. the postmaster general has had to rebuff him three times, saying he's not right about the facts and he can't order the kind of thing he wants to order. >> he could remove the postmaster general, because he now has control of the board, or enough authority to remove her from office. but kimberly, there are legal implications of this. back in the nixon time, this was the second article of impeachment, the enemy's list against the irs, using the irs and the power of this office

against political enemies. >> absolutely, there would be political implications, including the fact that in the meetings that the president has had with the postmaster general, they didn't appear on his schedule. they really were unknown. this was sort of a clandestine operation going on within the white house. so i'm sure if there is any evidence there, that this is a primarily motivated to combat his enemies, that's something people will look into. at the same time, you have to remember, yeah, there could be a valid point there about the shipping rates. on the other hand, the argument could be made that amazon is helping the postal service by keeping it afloat by how much it uses it. >> peter, it is true when the president took office during the transition he went after certain individual companies, including defense contractors for their -- the cost of different weapons systems. i mean, he does call out individual companies, although this one seems, according to a lot of reporting, to be directly

connected, as you point out, to his ire at "the washington post." >> yeah, it's pretty unusual for a president to single out individual companies. it's not unheard of. president obama from time to time would shame companies he thought acted poorly, for instance aig gave out bonuses at the beginning of his presidency, even though they were under government bailout. but for the most part, you don't see that happening, certainly with the frequency we see that with president trump. in some cases, it's the president saying you're not giving a good enough deal, you need to do this. in other cases, he's trying to force them to behave differently to create jobs and plants and so forth. in case of amazon, it seems so directly connected to his own personal vexation of jeff bezos because of his ownership of the paper and there seems to be some personal animosity between those two very wealthy people going

back before even the presidency. >> and not to point out -- not to miss pointing out that "the new york times" is also in his sights, peter. one of the stories that you had this weekend certainly set off a tweet yesterday where he wrote -- the president wrote, things are getting ridiculous. the failing and crooked but not as crooked hillary clinton "new york times" has done a story indicating that the world's most expensive witch hunt has found nothing on russia and me, so now they're looking at the rest of the world. >> the point was not that the mueller probe has given up on russia by any stretch, but there does seem to be interest on the part of the investigators about contacts between president trump's team and representatives or envoys or what have you, emissaries from other countries from around the world during that 2016 election. it does not mean they've given up on russia by any stretch. i think that's a stretch for the

president to assume that. but you can understand that why he's feeling under the gun. everywhere he looks investigations seem to be sprouting more and more different branches, and it's hard for him to keep up. that's why you see this sort of lashing out the last few days at mueller, at all the various justice department, and the various investigations that seem to be targeting him. >> peter baker and kimberly atkins, thank you both so much. we have some sad news to report to share from the nbc news family. historian doris goodman's husband richard passed away last night. he entered the white house at the age of 29 as an aide to president kennedy. after kennedy's assassination, he served with president johnson, creating the concept of the great society, writing some of johnson's most memorable speeches, including the 1965 civil rights address.

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last hour the entire state of texas held a moment of silence to honor the ten victims of friday's shooting at santa fe high school. classes are canceled through tomorrow, as the community comes together to mourn. on sunday, thousands turned out for a muslim prayer service in houston to honor pakistani exchange student who was among those killed friday. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in santa fe. gabe, what are we learning about the shooter? he's confessed now. authorities are poring over his journal. have they figured out any kind of motive here? >> reporter: hi there, andrea. still a lot of unanswered questions here. let me describe what's going on behind me. people paying their respects. this is an organizational, crosses for losses that travels to many of these mass shootings. they just showed up this afternoon and this makeshift memorial has sprung up and that moment of silence just a short time ago. investigators are poring over the suspect's journal, trying to find out he may have been plot thing attack.

just a short time ago, we spoke with the suspect's attorneys, who just visited him in jail this morning. they say that they're still evaluating to see what kind of mental history may have contributed to this. at this point, he seems confuse. trying to figure out xlaexactly what happened and doesn't seem to remember the name of shayna fischer. a 16-year-old, one of the victims whose mother tells nbc news she was one of the first people shot in this massacre and that her daughter rejected demetrius pagourtzis advances, she says, over a four-month period and believes that may have contributed to him targeting her. again, his attorneys deny that at this point. but eyewitnesses tell us of just a heart wrenching scene on friday where that suspect according to eyewitnesses barged into the art classroom and yelled "surprise" and shot several of these students and in between gunshots according to

one surfvivor was coming the sog "another one bites the dust." andrea, a horrible thought to see that eight children, two teachers passed away in this massacre, 13 wounds as well, a police officer remains in the hospital. if not for him the death toll could have been much higher, andrea. >> hoar risk. thank you so much, gabe. as sante fe students are trying to deal with their shock and their grief, the students are parkland, the parkland massacre are tealing healing through music. lat night the students of the marjory stoneman douglas high school kwoir receive echoir recg ovation after singing along shawn mendes and khalid. ♪ you can't steal my youth away ♪ as long as i wake up today you can't take my youth away ♪ you can't take my youth away ♪ [ cheers and applause ]

>> actor eric bergen performed with some of those talented students from parkland in april in a benefit for victims and survivors of the shooting and today is taking a break from his day break as one of the stars of a cbs hit show "madam secretary" to fight for arts and funding in our schools. welcome. i admit to being a fan and love the show, love your performance. talk about that in a second. i wanted to talk about music in public schools. >> yes. >> because you've shared that you started with the violin. >> yes. >> i started in first grade on the violin in a public school. they put a violin in my hand and the rest was -- magic. now i'm playing -- i failed at that, but it changed my life and appreciation. that's what you're arguing about? >> absolutely. i was a student at new york public schools all my life and i was lucky enough to have great arts education and great music education, as we saw with the parkland students. obviously it's a form of healing but it's just such an integral

part of education, of being a well-rounded education, just as important. math, science and all of these things. i was lucky enough to have that and a lot of public school systems are not as lucky to have that. >> in fact, the first thing to go, we find, when public schools get hit with budget cuts. >> yes. >> is what they call the extracurricular activities which are profoundly important as part of anybody's education. >> correct. kind of bizarre it's the first to get cut because it's, all the research shows that music education, arts education, specifically music education, actually does lead to higher test scores and better graduation rates and things like that. i can certainly attest to that. music saved my life. i'm here with vh1 and save the music and the nam organization fighting to make sure those things are funded properly. >> now i don't know if that brought you into theater.

maybe through juilliard or other public education, but the show is wonderful. i wanted to show a clip from "madam secretary." you are -- blake, loyal assistant at the state department with tea leoni. >> yes. >> the chief's office. >> i want you to take over. >> oh. okay. sure. ah -- is this because jay thinks his team are too up toot? tight? if that makes them sniffy, call knee sniffy, too. >> why i think you would make a great fit over there. >> you're still planning to fire me in six months? i fire because i love. >> and that was, i think from may 13th, but now in the season conclusion, the finale, already launching into your new public policy role? a big change from eating

doughnuts in the morning, and keeping her on schedule. >> whatever my job changes to i will still be bringing doughnuts in the morning, but i just love the show. i just love working on the show. i love what the writers do. we take topics that could easily be sensationalized. it is a tv show, but we look at it with a really -- a serious view as to what can viewers learn from this? i get stopped on the street all the time by people from all political parties who just love the show and want to talk about it. i think it's a -- it's a great show for families to watch together. >> well, as we've had a downturn at the state department, at least that's one place to watch diplomacy in action once a week on sunday night. >> the only time you get it. >> and just to say, last night's finale, nuclear armageddon, not a spoiler, but it was -- incredibly moving. >> yes. >> and powerful. >> thanks. we -- we were very proud of that episode, and we hope that it leads to some conversations

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>> an amazing scene in hawaii as mount kilauea unleashing lava across the big island. pictures from our nbc affiliate. launching molten fireballs into the air. new concerns over air quality as the lava reaches the ocean sending hydrochloric acid, gas and tiny shards of volcanic gas drifting across the i been. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." chris jansing is up next. >> garn. i am chris jansing at msnbc headquarters in new york. i hereby demand -- the president of the united states stepping into territory almost no president has dared to go. putting direct pressure other than the justice department to do his bidding in the russia investigation, and goes face-to-face with the intelligence community as he publicly berates of work of the fbi. plus