succinct things. she tweeted after the statement from the white house came out that reminder, trump is a subject of the investigation he will apparently succeed in obtaining evidence in and that no subject is entitled to during a criminal investigation. this is unprecedented. joyce clearly not a fan of the breaking news from the white house this afternoon about the process they set up. my thank the eugene robinson, mike schmidt, ashley walker. mtb starts right now. >> if it is monday, it is tea trump tower meeting, the quell. tonight, new collusion questions after the revelation of a second secret trump tower meeting. plus, demanding justice. the president orders the justice department to investigate whether the fbi infiltrated his campaign. >> the president has just taken his all-out assault on the rule

of law to a new level. and true blue. could a progressive wave in the primaries sweep away democrats' chances of taking the house come november. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening, welcome to "mtp daily." where we are following the drip drip drip of the trump russia saga 18 months after election day. right now we are seeing a steady stream of developments on two fronts. we are learning more about meetings between trump campaign members and foreign actors. and we are witnessing the current trump administration and legal team go further and further to discredit and stymy that investigation. yesterday president trump tweeted that he will demand that

the just department quote look into whether or not the fbi d.o.j. infiltrated or surveilled the trump campaign for political purposes. this is a reaction to a "new york times" report that an informant talked to trump campaign officials george papadopoulos and carter page in 2016 after the fbi received evidence that they had suspicious links to russia. sending an informant to talk to suspects in a counter-intelligence investigation would be accepted practice for the fbi. so this is quite the statement from the president. he's issuing a specific demand for a probe into whether a logical step in an investigation was done for political purposes, which itself is inherently an investigation done for political purposes. president trump met with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and fbi director chris stover wray this afternoon amid this unorthodox order.

and the white house came out with a statement stating the department of justice has asked the inspector general to -- . -- to rely highly classified and other information they have requested. is that the president getting his way? we are going to see. while the president attacks the procedure of the investigation, his top defense lawyer may be trying to box it in. rudy giuliani told nbc news yesterday that special counsel robert mueller told him that the obstruction investigation into president trump could be done by september 1st. however, a source familiar with the mueller investigation told reuter's that deadline is, quote, entirely made up in an

evident to pressure the special counsel to wrap up his work. amid the ramping up of the trump defense strategy we are also learning about new meetings involving members of the trump campaign and foreign actors. the "new york times" reported this weekend that three months before the election donald trump you jr. met with an israeli social media manipulation specialist, an emissary for two wealthy princes from saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. and the republican donor eric opinions, former head of black water. thetimes reports the meeting with as to offer help to the trump team in their final push to election day. a source told them the president's son, don jr. responded approvingly embracing the emissary from the arab princes as a close ally. trump yur's lawyer says his client was not interested in the pitch and that was the end of it. alone with the infamous russian adoption meeting this is the

second known meeting of foreign interests offering donald trump jr. assistance in winning the election at trump tower. guys, we are witnessing a steady drip, drip, drip in both the investigation and the white house's moves to clamp down on the investigation. the more and more drips into these buckets, the closer we are going to get to one of them overflowing. and when that happens, it just may consume everything in its path. joining me now is ben with ittis, editor in chief of law fair and an msnbc legal analyst. ben, it is great to see you. >> good to see you. >> what do you make today of the president meeting with rod rosenstein? i had allen dershowitz on earlier today he usually is a big defender of the president is his actions. even said that this is a meeting that the president probably shouldn't have without his lawyer present if the president is going to go off script and talk about anything other than what it was initially said the

meeting was going to talk about, what was not this investigation. >> so i'm -- i mean -- i found disturbing the president's -- the white house's statement after the meeting in which, you know, on the one hand, the president does seem to have backed down from his threats yesterday by tweet to demand an investigation. and rod rosenstein and chris wray appear to have persuaded him what they did yesterday which was to refer to matter to the department of justice inspector general. on the other hand, however, the president does seem to have gotten in that second half of that statement the deputy attorney general and the head of the fbi to agree to, under certain controlled circumstances

share those highly sensitive materials that they have been balking at sharing with congressional leaders. and i -- you know, i have got to say i think that's pretty disturbing. >> i want to point out that that second part of the statement -- that's what stood out for me, too. it was also agreed that white house chief of staff kelly will meetly ed set up a meeting with the fbi d.o.j. to review high heely classify information and what was requested. right now there is a fight over what the d.o.j. and fbi will hand over to congressional leaders. part of that was who the informant was this the trump campaign. the trump campaign calls him a spy, the fbi calls him more of an informant or a source. the identity of that person is something the fbi does not want revealed because it could set off a slew of other problems with other sources going forward. when you have them meeting with congressional leaders, is that -- i mean, are we

interesting a scenario where that name is going to be coming out shortly? leaked shortly? >> look, the name has, you know, ostensibly already come out. i think the justice department does not want to release information about the individual. and i think the principle that you don't give up information about -- you know, highly sensitive information about people who have cooperated with federal investigations and federal intelligence activities is a very important one for the depu department to protect. and it is not the sort of material that the hill normally demands. except of course when congress is trying to discredit an existing federal investigation, as it is here. and the fact that the president is assisting congress in doing

that for his own political benefit, because of course the investigation is an investigation of him, is extremely disturbing. >> what about the other news that has come out over the weekend that donald trump jr. also had a meeting with more representatives of foreign governments, not just that russia meeting that he had in june but a meeting in august with representatives or people purporting to be representatives from saudi arabia and the united arab emirates, including erik prince? do you think this could be a distraction to try to take the focus away from this story? >> well, i think the -- first of all, the question of maybe we should make a list of the foreign governments that did not approach donald trump jr. and offer help in the election because the list is getting shorter and shorter. i don't know what to make of that story. it appears to be -- it appears that the mueller investigation

is at least asking questions about you know that meeting and those activities. it's not clear what came of any of that stuff. and so i think we are just going to have to see on that. as the investigation progresses. >> ben with ettis thank you for joining us. do you have an indication there was this meeting between don jr. and erik prince and george mader and other officials purports to be from foreign governments offering help to the trump campaign? >> no, katy, but it certainly was asked of these individuals. if you go back and read erik prince's transcript you saw that a number of times he was asked whether he met with donald trump jr. or others with the trump campaign. and so if this "new york times" story is true, and if the nader

story is true, it looks like he wasn't truthful with congress. and we were not helpless in our investigation. we have subpoena power where we could have confronted these witnesses with evidence that we subpoenaed. and my republicans colleagues were unwilling at every single request to use that. now our insurance policy for accountability rests with bob mueller and we hope that his investigation can proceed uninhibited. >> here is what erik prince said. we have the transcript from it. congressman tom rooney asked aside from writing these foreign policy papers. prince said a yard sign in my yard. you say prince was misrepresenting himself there? >> i also asked him whether he had spoken with donald trump jr. and he said just at a campaign event and during the transition. if this is true, then he had lied to congress.

we showed no willingness to follow up on these people. our investigation took these people at their word. that's not how you conduct yourselves when people are so willing to lie through their teeth. >> it's not just the emissary for two wealthy princes who offered to help with donald trump's campaign. it's also an israeli expert in social media who offed a social media campaign where they could manipulate people's voting preferences. it sounds a little bit like the -- or a lot like the cambridge analytic effort that is under such scrutiny right now. what do you make of -- i mean, is this the thing that happens when you are running a presidential campaign? do foreign governments, do foreign nationals come up and offer to help you? >> no. no. any campaign before this, republicans and democrats have always said these elections belong to us. and this is what is so unusual

are the number of foreign nationals who were reaching out to the trump campaign. katy, when i take a step back and ask, how did this happen? i think part of what was going on here is that the candidate him was inviting russia to attack. and other countries started to see, well this guy, he's open to doing business with anyone. he's transactional, he is gullible. maybe we can get our interests before him. so he is almost inviting them to come and make these different approaches. i have legislation katy that we are introducing this week that would put a duty to report on any federal candidate, their family, and their campaign aides if they are approached with unslis i itted information from an agent of a foreign power so that we never see this happen again. >> george nader was one of the people at that meeting. have you had a chance to question him in the intel committee? >> it's so frustrating. we have asked the republicans to reopen this investigation and bring forward people like george nader who we learned about once they decided to close the

investigation. and of course no, they have shown no interested in doing that. that's why it was so irresponsible and so premature for us to enthis investigation because in addition to george nader what we have learned more and more about cambridge analytic and all of the contacts, the shadowy operations that michael cohen was running we never should have closed that investigation. >> the "new york times" says done jr. was open to the information or seemed to respond positively to the offer of help from the two arab countries and this israeli offering that social media campaign. but donald trump jr.'s lawyer has said that nothing came out of this and he did not accept anything. it's kind of similar to what we heard from the russia meeting with the lawyer natalia veselnitskaya, that nothing came of that meeting, she had nothing. is that the legal line here, that nothing came of it? they didn't use anything, so it's okay? >> the trump campaign showed a

willingness and eagerness to receive it. where we should have explored further his communications we could have subpoenaed those logs, his travel logs we know he went to paris weeks before election day. we don't know who he met with. same thing with michael cohen. i don't understand why the president's son and his lawyer are over in europe just weeks before election day and we could have subpoenaed their travel records, their hotel logs, their flight manifests to figure out who they were meeting with, why they were abroad right before the election. bob mueller, i hope he and his team will find this if we allow them to do it. >> talking about the president and the tweet that he is going to hereby demand d.o.j. investigate this informant, this spy, he says, in the trump campaign. and that's apparently going to happen because the white house and d.o.j. and the fbi have come to a deal to look further into it with the ig. you said this is obstruction in broad daylight. if that is the case, if it is

obstruction in broad daylight, what are the consequences? >> it is, katy. he is governing the wrong country. he's obstructing an investigation into his campaign where he is potentially a suspect. the consequences of course are removal from office. we are not helpless here. what we should do is make sure that our house intelligence committee fully investigates what happened with the russians and now any other country that sought to help him. and also the house judiciary committee, the other committee i sit on should be able to look into not just his conduct here but other concerning and alarming conduct like cashing in on the oval office and the transactions he is doing with the chinese. where he is taking loans on his properties and then giving away jobs for american workers. so we are not helpless. it's going to take courage, though, from republicans and democrats to hold him accountable. i don't think that price is going to be paid until november. >> on this informant, when did you first learn about the person? what is it before the "washington post" story on may

8th? >> i can't say because that goes to classified information i was briefed on. sorry. >> congressman eric swalwell thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> another primary day tomorrow. democrats might take a hard left turn towards more liberal candidates. what could that mean for the potential blue wave in november? this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪

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if you hear a dinging at home, we apologize. let's talk about politics. the president, his son is now meeting with another representative of a wealthy arab country. this is not russia. when you saw this story come down, beth, what was your immediate reaction? >> my immediate reaction is don jr. is willing to meet with just about ib in. it is all a means to an end for the trump people. certainly is for his father. why to the for don jr. who is essentially running the campaign at this point. he met with the russian lawyer who said they had dirt on hillary clinton. and now he is meeting with with characters who run a social media manipulation company. why is he willing to entertain time and space in this campaign for people how are foreign actors who have no business sitting with the campaign -- the son of the presidential candidate, the nominee for the republican nomination. >> assuming it's all about the

campaign. >> right. >> donald trump -- we know his campaign and his business merged many times in over -- the past. whether it's his children, other workers who worked for the organization as well as the campaign. we don't know what we don't know about this meeting. who knows if they were looking for money, which they could have also been doing on the russia side. we don't know. and i think that's what we are going to start seeing peel back more and more. >> part of the problem is that with the donald trump organization and jared kushner's family and everybody is that money is so inherently tied into this. the question of money. we know the kushners have a ton of debt to every the property at 666 fifth avenue. we know the trump organization were pursuing property deals across the world. so the question arises -- this is why you divest when you become president. >> right. >> because the question arises are you acting in the interests of the american public or are you acting in your own

interests. >> maybe you are not. >> right. >> but that question is there. and that question starts to degrade or doesn't start to -- it has been degrading your decision making or the appearance of your decision making. >> absolutely katy. i think it goes beyond just the word collusion. i think that you nailed -- or hit the nail on head when you talked about the core of what is at the bottom this investigation. which is are donald trump, any of the people in his business or in his family acting on behalf of the interests of the united states or are they not? that's what bob mueller is looking at. i think this meeting goes to the fact that yes they are novices and they may not know you shouldn't be taking all of these meetings with foreign governments. but that in the enultimately doesn't matter because if you took the meeting and got something as a result of the meeting it violates the law. bob mueller issing gob looking at that i think it goes to the core of their judgment as a campaign. donald trump jr. willing to take these meetings. we only are basing the fact that

they didn't get anything out of these meetings on their word. >> that we know of. we don't know whether deals were made. >> we literally don't know what came out if anything from these meetings. they are saying they got nothing. we don't know that to be true. >> i don't mean this necessarily to be something for the campaign. i mean something for their own personal financial benefit. i think that's more likely than actually the campaign. >> when you are trying to follow this -- and chuck touched on this last week when i was on the panel -- it's very hard to keep it all straight. what is robert mueller looking into? he is looking into russia. is he looking into michael cohen? how does stormy daniels come into play? now there is qatar. saudi arabia, the united arab emirates. erik prince and black water and the daughter of betsy devos, how does he play into it, and george nader. their best defense here, is this

best strategy in the trump administration just to make it even more confusing than it already it is. >> i think it is certainly in their best interest to keep it as interesting as possible. i think for everyone else ourselves included is to get to the larger point, which you made zerlina. all of these points, all of these ten trils come back to the same point, what was donald trump and the people around him doing for themselves, specifically for him, versus for the american people? you can come back to the pressure now being placed on the d.o.j. to either reveal the source or to demand an opening an investigation into whether there was political manipulation going on with this sourcing or the informant inside the campaign. again, trump is doing this simply for trump. he's not doing it for any other purpose. the point this investigation is to clarify all of this for the american people. that should be the load star for all of this. what is being done for the american people versus what is being done for the president himself and the people around him. >> when you look at this, do you think that -- do you think that

people are following it closely? i mean we talked about this last week. from my reporting, from talking to people and from all the polling that's out there, people are interested in this investigation even the ones that voted for donald trump are interested in the investigation but they want to know what's going to come out of it before they make their ultimate decision. they might not be following cable news moment to moment in every drip and drab that comes out. they may not know what to take -- what to make -- excuse me -- of each ensuing headline but there is a desire out there to figure out what mueller has to say. a desire for donald trump to allow him to finish this investigation. >> i think we need to wait for mueller to finish and we are going basically going to have to go through that report which likely will be very thick given what we know to date. >> sorry. there as fly. >> a large fly lying flying around. >> we are having a fun day. >> there is going to be a rormt

we are going to decide -- he is essentially going to send it to rosenstein who is going to make a recommendation as to what to do after that. then congress is going to decide whether or not they want to move forward with articles of impeachment. again that's not a line of strategy that is ultimately likely going to result in -- >> it is not an election strategy necessarily for the democrats. >> removing the president takes 67 votes. very difficult. i think the most likely outcome is we are going to have a thick report and the american people are going to be able to make a determination whether or not the allegations listed therein are something that donald trump should ultimately be removed from office. >> there's a disconnect from what you were asking katy how do the american people feel about it and whether mueller's actual report comes out. mueller is three to six months ahead of us on everything. we have things weeping out. -- no, we learned that michael cohen was under surveillance. it didn't just happen. he was under surveillance for three months. we know that other meetings took place with other people.

when we learn these things it does become confusing. you can't follow a clear path because we are finding it out on a different timetable. robert mueller is going to come out with his report and we are going to be blown away because we are behind him. >> we know a lot that you actually triggers laws, right? we know a lot that actually makes it clear that there is legal exposure not just on donald trump but also people very close to him, including members of his family. what donald trump jr. is alleged to have done in this "new york times" alleged report is against the law. >> that's the tbt, is this against the law or does it look bad? >> having gone to law school that's sort of what law school is. >> but giuliani is telling us it's going to wrap up september 1st. >> because he said so. does anybody believe giuliani. ladies, we have so much more to talk b. i'm excited for my all

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gove gubernatorial primary in georgia between two candidates who represented different paths for the party to gain ground. there is the democratic primary runoff in texas where fletcher the candidate backed by the national democratic groups is facing progressive laura moser who was the subject of a slew of headlines when the dccc tried to diminish her standing. who knows who will happen tomorrow. the story is reminiscent of what happened last week when an establishment been backed democratic congressman lost to a first timer in nebraska. republicans say they are looking forward to running against eastman in november calling her too liberal for the omaha swing district. what can we expect in the primaries. joining me now cara eastman who

won last week by 1,000 votes. congratulations on your win cara. >> thank you so much. >> this is not necessarily a left-leaning district. you were the more progressive of the candidates. there is some concern for the democratic party you are going to be a little bit too progressive for this district. what do you say? >> well, i think that's an interesting narrative. as it turns out in our campaign we knocked on over 60,000 doors. the policy issues, the things that we have been talking about are the things that the voters are telling us that they care about. those are things like health care, education, the fact that people are drowning in student debt, the environment, and the economy. these are all things that most americans are concerned about and deserve to have a representative who is going to have to fight so they don't have to be so concerned about these things anymore. >> you support medicare for all, you support raising minimum wage, raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, on assault weapons, free college

and those making $250,000 a year and free community college for all as well. when you you have been out talking to voters, what is the reaction? do you think you will be able to convince conservative voters to get on board with a progressive candidate who supports things like that? >> i think that's one of the reasons why we were so successful, because we were talking about the things that people care about. i am a social worker by trade. i run a non-profit. and the stuff we are concerned about right now, especially around health care, the reason i'm running is because of my mother's health care bills being so outrageous. these are things that people are telling us about. people are afraid to go to school. my own daughter is afraid to go to school after the parkland shooting. some of the policies we are putting forward, especially the

medicare for all would save the country money. >> i want to get a lightning round on some of your views but i want to go to health care just a moment. the plan that you support is larger than medicare for just a certain portion of people or what the health care act says right now. this is medicare for all. everybody in the country would be getting an upgraded version of medicare. what do you say to those who currently like their insurance plan and would not want to leave it? >> well, i understand that. and i think that it's easy to say if you get private insurance slew your employer that you like that plan. and i get that. i run a small business where we spend $40,000 a year to provide health insurance to our employees because it is tea right thing to do. but we have to under the incredible economic benefit that removing health care from places that really shunt number the health care business would have on our economy and how that would be such a huge boone. so, again, it's very easy to talk about how these ideas might seem a little out there. but i think the reality is, what

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minting kim jong-un as supreme leader is. the panel is back. zerlina maxwell, susan del percio, beth fouhy. >> nothing precedented about that. >> putting the coin before the horse. >> trump loves icon that sell brady brat things he is doing. that's something he liked a lot. like that plaque in israel commemorating he is going to have the embassy in jerusalem. it's -- his name is bigger than the rest of the plaque. he loves the visual iconic graphic representations of what he is doing. >> what if the meeting doesn't happen. >> then this is embarrassing. >> then it is a collector's item. what if the meeting happens and it goes poorly? >> that's worse. >> that is worse. >> i think it's representative of the administration.

they didn't think about the underlying policy or how they are going to get it done or the best results for the country. >> for this administration, this is a good example of it, than a it's about the substance, than it is about getting it done. >> it would be okay to go after those optics if you were actually doing everything else you needed to do to make it -- to back it up. the problem is, in this administration, they only care about optics and they don't care about doing any of the work necessary. >> called him supreme leader. >> you don't know how to spell your wife's name? that happened. >> melanie. >> who buy s these things anywa? they seem a relic of the 20th century. >> yowl. be able to buy them in trump tower in 2020. >> i feel like you should -- >> to sell it on ebay when whenever happens happens. >> moving on from the coin, if the president -- the president is having cold feet about this.

apparently, according to "the new york times," he was surprised that north korea would not want to give up their nuclear weapons and would change their mind even though he had been assured privately this was going to be part of the talks. >> how is the president surprised by that? >> honestly, it kind of makes me feel a bit relieved that he realizes this is bigger and much more complicated than he thought at first and perhaps he better put the brakes on. if he's getting to that realization now, that's a good thing. he rarely has self doubt. he wants to barrel ahead, damn the torpiedoes and it sounds like now maybe we need to put the brakes on this thing. >> i think that's a great point. you're right. if that's what -- if he realizes he's in over his head, whatever excuse he has to make to take a step back and maybe have some diplomacy play out and have other, you know, people represent him and have some kind of bilateral talks, something, have that conversation.

that would actually be a really good thing. >> but they have the coin. >> they could toss it to see how it works out. >> i think it's actually more so that this is a moment, like beth said, where he's putting the brakes on because he's actually being told by his expert advisers that there is a large downside to this. right? if it doesn't go right, that's not just bad for him politically, which is what he cares most about, but it could be bad for the country, potentially the world. i think the stakes are too high and perhaps he's paying closer attention to his security briefings, which is good. >> reporting indicates he just didn't have a complete grasp of the subject matter, which is significant if you're going into these kinds of talks and truly not understanding. >> i think you're understating the matter. how could you possibly overstate that? the president not understanding the subject matter going into talks with a person who has nuclear weapons, who has proven

himself to be not entirely stable, i mean, that's kind of terrifying. >> i think we may know tomorrow. the president of south korea is coming to the white house to meet with president trump. unfortunately, at this point, there's no press conference. usually when he has a major meeting with a world leader, they do a press conference. hopefully at the end of tomorrow, we'll get a better sense. >> let's touch on midterms. kara eastman, progressive for omaha, democrats feeling a little nervous. democratic party, at least, the establishment democrats. >> that's right. and this is a sdi ndynamic we'r seeing play out across the country. there's a lot of enthusiasm, but it's breaking down to the progressive wing versus the centrist wing. in this case, kara eastman surprised everyone, showing that's where a lot of the energy of the party remains. we don't know whether it's enough to power ahead to a midterm win. >> is there a chance of dividing the democratic party the way the tea party divided the republican party? >> i don't know if it's the same

parallel, i don't know if there are as many tea partiers as there are in the progressive base. if bernie sanders represented anything, and i lived through that primary, it's that there are a lot of folks in the base of the party who are very energized. i think both progressive candidates and moderate candidates are going to win because it has to do with how they match up with that particular district and if there are field organizations strong enough to get the elpeople to the polls. that's always going to be the bottom line. >> i think it's going to affect 2020 more than 2018. you're going do have these candidates who now on the democratic side can say we're with the progressive movement. and who they are more of the establishment background. who are they going to put their troops behind in the primary season will be very interesting. >> what about a purple ticket? patrick murphy and david jolly. >> it would be great to see. >> or john hickenlooper and john kasich. >> i hope there's a black governor in georgia. she's a very progressive candidate and also has a very

bright future. >> you like stacey abrams over stacey evans. >> they're running in different places. >> sorry. >> you're not talking about the candidate, the two staceys. >> i'm talking about stacey abrams who would be the first black woman and woman of color to win the governor house in georgia. >> zur lena meeting his preference known. thank you, guys. ladies, not guys. >> ahead, the swamp really gets swamped.

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president trump wants to drain the swamp. >> i came up with this expression. >> drain the swamp. >> drain the swamp. >> drain the swamp. >> drain the swamp. >> drain that swamp. >> believe me, we are draining the swamp. >> boy, what a great expression. i love saying it. >> but the swamp is getting swampier by the day. the national weather service says reagan airport has had a quarter inch of rain each day for the last seven days. that's the longest streak on record for the d.c. area. washington, you got it backwards. you're not draining the swamp. you' you're swamping the drain. look at it, d.c. is simply overwhelmed with water. the potomac river has reached moderate flood stage. even the nationals/yankees game was forced into a rain delay. go yankees. there's more to come. our nbc station in washington is forecasting more rain for tomorrow and wednesday. talk about draining people. the president says he wants to

make america great again, but i say for now, let's just focus on making d.c. grate again. that was clearly written by the friends we have in d.c. not new york. new york has been wet and rainy too. we would appreciate some sun, mother nature. that's all for tonight. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> i hurt you went to the royal wedding. >> i did. >> what did you get them? >> i got them my presence. >> presents ts or presents ce. >> i got them a stephanie ruhle wigg wiggle. >> i don't know what that is. >> you have to go online. it's on my twitter. >> we're on tv talking. why do i have to go on twitter. >> i could play it if they have the tape. we could play it. >> this is like when people tell you to listen to the voice mail and you're talking to them. >> here's the thing, we're on television and this is a tv moment. i'm fortunate because no one knew you were going to ask this, we don't hav