congratulations to you and your colleagues. >> thank you. >> we're glad to you have in new york. my thanks to our guests. don't miss our town hall tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. that does it for our hour. hi, chuck. >> nicole, we did it. >> oh, my god. it took ten years off my life. last night i was -- >> we did it. >> warriors and cavaliers. >> we got it. >> we got what you wanted. we got what i wanted. let's just say -- i say warriors in six. anything -- anything -- if you can't beat them in six, then i'm not impressed. >> you're faking me out. >> i know. that's the whole point. all right. so it begins. have a good show. >> you got it. >> if it's tuesday, what will

the president do? >> good evening, i'm chuck todd. we start with race, culture, politics and television. it's either going to be doused by president trump or set ablaze. we have no idea which one it will be. and that's what sort of troubling us right now. we're going to find out in a matter of hours. we're awaiting president trump's first reaction to abc's cancellation of "roseann," praised by the president and conservatives because of it. but swiftly axeded to day hours after roseann herself made racist comments on twitter. the president will be speaking to supporters at a rally in nashville, tennessee. the president didn't answer

shouting questions about this when he left the white house or when he left the joint base andrews just a short time ago. we're expecting the president to weigh in because in moments like this, he doesn't run away from controversy. he usually runs toward it, especially whether it involves american culture and race. think of the nfl. as i said this latest episode, no pun intended, is a volatile combination of both. abc canceled "roseanne" after she posted about a former adviser invoking the muslim brotherhood and planetst apes. they called the comments repug nanlt and inconsistent with our values. and the hours leading up to abc's announcement cancelling the show, roseanne supposes this apology on twitter. apologize to valerie jarrett and to all americans. i'm truly sorry for making a bad joke about letter politics and looks. i should have known better. forgive me, my joke was in bad taste. just moments ago jarrett responded during a taping by happenstance, by the way, it's an msnbc town hall called every

day race nix america which jarrett was invited to be on well before today's episode. it's going to air tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. here's what she said. >> i think we have to turn it into a teaching moment. i'm fine. i'm worried about all the people out there who don't have a circle of friends and followers who come right to their defense. the person who is walking down a street mining their own business and they see somebody declining to their purse or want to cross the street or every black parent i know that has a boy that has to sit down and have a conversation, the talk as we call it and as you say, those ordinary examples of racism that happen every single day. and i think that's why i'm so glad to be here this evening talking with all of you. >> jarrett went on to say this -- >> tone does start at the top. we like to look up to our president and feel he reflects the values of our country. i also think every individual citizen has a responsibility too. and it's up to all of us to push

back. our government is only going to be as good as we make it be. and as they always taught me, you have to be people on the inside have to push hard and people on the outside have to listen. >> so we heard from roseanne and jarrett and, folks if, this were any other president, you arguably would not have to wonder what the reaction would be to this. most presidents the last thing they want to do is get involved in a controversy like this other than to say i condemn the racism n this presidency, do you have to wonder. you never know. earlier today the president's son was retweeting roseanne all morning and threw out conspiracy theories invoking a favorite target of the right democratic donor george soros. roseanne's up yours attitude when it comes to political correctness and a figure. >> e look at roseanne.

i called her yesterday. look at her ratings! look at her ratings! over 18 million people and it was about us. the fake news hasn't quite figured it out yet. they have not figured it out. so of that was great. >> that's what the president said then at a campaign rally in ohio in march. what will he say now? joining me now on our panel, daniel pletko, kimberly atkins, ruth marcis. they're all nbc news contributors. and matt beloni, my apologies there, matt, editorial director at the hollywood reporter. matt, let me start with you. number one, i blew your name. so you get that. but two, it is the business side of things, the swiftness with which disney acted.

explain how disney got to this decision as fast as bob eger did. >> it's almost as if they knew something like this might come one day. because the swiftness was extraordinary. you never see big corporations act this quickly and hoursfter thtweets came out, not only was the show pulled f the air, but they had statements ready, the president of abc issued a statement and they were just quick. they even expunged from the website. >> you can't find evidence of roseanne anywhere? >> no. and that is the extraordinary thing. three weeks ago roseanne was the centerpiece of abc's fall lineup. this was the number one show on television and now it's simply gone. >> let me ask you this. how much of this was cast driven, show driven and how much

of this was disney driven going -- meaning, we heard from wanda sykes. there is no doubt there seemed to me there was a growing problem on the show itself. how much of it was disney's own image issues that they were trying to fix for a while? >> i think this is a con flag rags of everything. it's bigger than just one show. people might say oh, you canceled the number one show on television. you're going to take tens of millions of dollars hit on this. but think about the larger picture. this wasn't just the talent on roseanne. this is talent across the company. there are a number of people who have said that they were offended by roseanne's tweets in the past. abc has to think of the talent relationships with all of their talent and the walt disney company has to think of the talent relationships across the entire company. they saw the dominos falling here. they acted quickly to prevent them from falling further.

>> all right. let me get to the panel here. kimberly, it does seem as if disney, like we joked. it's like they decided no the to wait three days to do this. zblfr the three hours did seem a long time when there was no reaction from abc or disney at all until there was the big reaction of cutting the show. you know, i think some people, a lot of people, particularly people of color in this country today are asking why they are doing this and really offensive comments that she is pushing conspiracy theory. so the fact that in the beginning this company chose well, you know, we see an opportunity here. we're going to put profits over that. we're going to put profits over politics now until they couldn't. and today was the day that they could not do that. so i think this is a lesson for other media companies moving

forward when at the try to make that kind of gamble. >> i mean the market really spoke. there was a market for roseanne and there's a market for people that feel like they're underrepresented on television and elsewhere. the real question is, this isn't new for roseanne barr. if you go back when she was a star of russia today, and perhaps even without realizing some of it was what it was. she just seems like a crank. and for them, the problem is they chose her to do it. you can hire good people who can represent. >> you could have done the show without roseanne. that was the bad clois. -- choice. >> tim allen did it. >> she was the star with the ratings. i thought, you know, sometimes we look at politics and you know how a story is going to end.

but it takes a long time to get there. there is resignations of cabinet officials that are taking quite a while to happen and the laws of political gravity are the no working. here the laws of the market gravity are working. whatever made them think that they could have roseanne in the first place also has its limits. and i think that's a really good thing. >> matt, why does a roseanne get swiftly canned but, say, the duck dynasty guys if they individually did some things, they survive? they're keeping this very popular show going. but these comments were so abhorrent and racist and specific that they just said okay, here's our line. here's our line. we'll not cross. and they made a statement. and i do think that this was in advance of what would have

likely been an advertiser boycott, a talent exodus from the show and network. and they saw where this ends. it did not end in a good place. so you have to cut it off now. >> we've seen a little bit of people saying well there is a double standard. liberal oriented comics or talent have made offensive comments in the past. and have not had their shows taken away. you know, i don't know how much that argument is going to hold because, again, you know, even shawn hannity is saying that these comments are abhorrent and should not be tolerated. i don't see how far those conspiracy theories are going to go. >> let me go to the president here. >> do we think he stays silent and he pulls a both sides like he did with charlottesville because there are the most enthusiastic supporters are the writers or does he actually follow the lead of sean hannity

and say that is a bridge too far? >> the only person that knows the answer to that and doesn't know it right now is donald trump. i mean do you think donald trump knows two hours before he's going to say what he's going to say? >> he's in the rally setting that's going to lead him most likely to say something abhorrent to use the word of the day. they're outside that saying lock her up. that's when he gets himself in trouble. at the same time, this was really too far. and while he is a man that does not ever and he also knows how to separate himself from people. so i see those tensions and i agree with you. you know, tune in to see how that goes. >> he can also go from one thing to another, right? he was against roy moore before he was backing him again. he can start off by saying this was bad and then after a

while -- >> condemn today -- >> once he hears from supporters who say this is just, you know, political correctness run muck which it's not. it's not political correctness. it is denouncing racism. once they say this is another example of the liberal media, he can get onboard with that. >> don't you feel it? he's going to say that was a terrible outrage. things like that should never be said. and do you think if one of us had said something anyone would have stood up. that's what i suspect. >> he's going to try to find a way to not support her but empathize with the idea that the right gets helpd to a different standard. >> that will really resonate. >> matt, what about what roseanne the show, the message it sent to programmers in hollywood. how much -- how much do these entertainment heads say, boy, there is an untapped mark out

there. "roseanne" proved it. can we still tap into it without aligning ourselves with an outright crazy racist? >> i think that's a conversation that's going on right now. you saw over the past few months there has been this scramble at abc and elsewhere to find so-called trump land shows that appeal to white working class people that have elevated roseanne to this high ratings. we saw it with fox picking up the tim allen show last man standing. and that was a show that was canceled a few years ago. so it supposedly appeals to this middle class lower middle class trump dem graphics. so i don't know. roseanne is in a particularly unique place in that she was so vocal and visit olic on twitter.

>> does she find a home in one of the streaming sites or did she just get herself essentially blacklisted from mainstream entertainment, frankly, to the point of even, you know, the most conservative cable channel? >> you know, never say never. but i do not see any of the streaming sites going for this. i juston'think they'll want to risk not just the backlash from the public but the backlash from our talent. these are all companies that want to be in business with creative people. and if you touch roseanne right now, you are sending a message to those creative people that they don't want to hear. so i think maybe in a few years people will revisit it. but i think for the soon -- the foreseeable future, roseanne is untouchable. >> mel gibson came back so you

never know. >> he did. >> anyway, thank you. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it. thanks for sharing your expertise on the industry out there. danielle, kimberly, rouge, you're stuck with me. you have to stick around. as we mentioned, the roseanne cancellation comes as msnbc hosts a town hall on every day racism. you're looking live at the prince theater in philadelphia. weaver goi we're going to talk to joy reed. this had to do with the starbucks incident about a month ago. we'll be right back. dear great-great-grandfather, you turned a family recipe into a brewing empire before prohibition took it all away. i promised our family i'd find your lost recipe. by tracing our history on ancestry, i found the one person who still had it. now, i'm brewing our legacy back to life. i'm david thieme, and this is my ancestry story. now with 100 million family trees, find your story. get started for free at ancestry.com.

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we have a town hall tonight. this town hall was originally taking place tonight because today is that day that starbucks has been closing its stores all afternoon, sometimes it's all day or at least for a portion of the day to give employees racial bias training. that's happeningftern incident in apr where a white store manager called the cs on two black men waiting for someone in a philadelphia starbucks. but, of course, a major topic now at today's town hall will be abc's announcement that it canceled "roseanne" after the namesake star made racist comments about former obama white house staffer who had been taking part in the town hall. as we just said, valerie jarrett will be a part of the special tonight which just wrapped up in a few minutes and in a few minutes i'll talk to the co-host of that town hall joy reed. but let me bring to you what howard shultz he ceo of starbucks said about what he --

what message he was trying to send with today's closing. here he is from this morning. >> what do you intend for people to learn in four hours? some people say, howard, sounds great but sounds like a marketing ploy to me. >> i don't know if there is any company in america that's ever taken on something at this level. it's interesting for me to be criticized for doing it for four hours. >> it is interesting in the trump era. corporate america decided they're going to do their own thing in some ways. and in some people think it's great. and some people think corporate america shouldn't be taken apart. what do you make of this? >> well, i mean, howard shultz has some other ambitions here that he is addressing, some political ambitions of his own,

perhaps. they're a front facing business. but they are separate from -- they are separate from the government. and the fact is that when they try to create this personal character for themselves, it does -- it does go a little bit against the corporate ethic. i don't understand it. these are businesses and yet they're trying to make themselves into personalities as well. that is the part to me that seems a little bit complex. david hog did this protest at publix. it is a grocery store in florida. they donl natuminate the state worked. publix said we're the no doing to do politics anymore. >> racism is not a good business practice. and not just overt racism, but the kind of implicit bias that we've all gotten a little bit schooled on and educated on whether it's government officials and police stopping you for driving while black or

risks of police using violence against young black men. >> i go to the starbucks several times and had plenty of meetings and not bought a thing. never kicked out. >> that people of color think about all the time. we think about all the time how just being in a space makes someone uncomfortable just because of our blackness. we think that police is being used as the black people removal service and being called not in a time ofth in. i think about whether i called the police when there was a fire or i witnessed an descent. these are first responders, people are calling 911 at the sight of blackness in stores. i think it's more than just about getting together today though and talking to employees and explaining that to them. i think starbucks has to remember that taking the money from the community that's they're in also means being

invested in the dmuncommunitiesy have to take action beyond the closures today to really show that they are understand that. >> but let's be realistic about why we feel we're in this moment. the president is not tamping this down, danny. he's not tamping down any of this. say what you will about previous preside presidents who some question seriousness if they care about race whether it is president bush when said that kanye doesn't care about black people. you never got the sense from the presidents that they didn't care about it. you may decide they didn't care the same way you did. but the president could -- he is making this harder. >> well, you know what? >> actively so. >> he makes it harder on people that are called racism unfairly.

you are a republican, so you're a racist. you're a conservative, therefore you're a racist. it is he who has really helped our conservatives and republicans with that. >> but he's embraced it. >> he is absolutely mindless about it. he doesn't actually care. >> and, look, race is the constant necessary and painful conversation in america. when barack obama was president, he said something about the cambridge police coming to harvard professor skip gates house and we had a problem over that. a dill confilgration. but the same thing. to me, it's a little bit the combination of this president and the u bick ti of technology and the moment. we're documenting things that we're not used to having seen before and they're a lot harder to ignore when you watch them. >> that's right. social media has given us an mri on racism that we thought was buried. let me bring in joy reid.

she just got done with the town hall. we've seen a preview of it already. joy, i know you heard part of our conversation here. i'm curious what went from a conversation about every day racism and about sort of the moment that starbucks was trying to have a conversation about, how much did roseanne amplify your conversation in the town hall tonight and how much did the roseanne conversation derail it? >> well, you know, it's -- fortuitously we had valerie jarrett on tonight. she was able to react it to. and her reaction i thought was sort of really spot on. she sort of broadened it out from her personal to just the fact that, you know, the idea of somebody being made an animal, this is not new. this is not something that just happened this one time. and that kind of reflex is actually a part and a component of what then can turn into every day acts of racism. if you don't quite think that people are exactly like you, they're not our kind of people,

if you're able to think of people that somehow less a person than me, it makes it a lot easier to then take that next step and say this person shouldn't be in this space. i'm going to will ka the police. i think of them as criminal. i think of them as sort of animalistic. i think of them as not civilized like me. i think is one conversation. you know, i mean, rose aanne is tweeting something, if you're in public life, you hear this slur a lochlt it's something that black people deal with and have a long time. the plan at the top is not interested in trying to heal division right now. for whatever reason. we can get his motivation as to why. he doesn't want to do it. >> yeah. he doesn't want to do it in part because he understands that there's a part of his audience, there's a part of his base that is actually animated in a

positive direction toward him by this kind of talk. this sort of freedom that will lead the freedom from political correctness is a part of his appeal for some people. i think he has a lot of political motivation and a personal motivation to not want to do it. he said ironically enough, korngss are in a position to do something about this. because they have a sort of captaini captive audience. they can set forth policies that get people to recognize their implicit bisys and deal with it and set forth policy that says if you have the biases, you can't act on it in the corporate space. so interestingly enough, we're seeing different sets of actors than we're used to. we're used to presidential leadership that kind of moral leadership. but we're seeing visit to come from other spaces, both from moral leaders and even corporate leaders that have a lot of ability to set policy. we're talking about 8,000 stores for starbucks. that is 8,000 separate locations where they can make the policy more fair, even if you can't change every individual heart. he said they can change the policies. i think that's important. >> did you address this sort of awkward stance of the nfl as a

corporation versus every other korngs and it's this. every corporation viewed the racial comments on whatever it's come as a bad for business decision and they're going to make sure they condemn that racism. the nfl made a decision now, it thooz do with the anthem, but it splits along racial lines. but they picked the white consumer over the blah beick consumer. they pick one set of consumers over another like that. why? >> yeah. and it did. and we didn't address the nfl specifically in the town hall today. but you're right. they're in a unique position. they have a 70% black player base but they have an overwhelmingly white audience base in those stadiums buying the tickets. so they have to have one audience competing against another. they can't make it without the marquee players, many of whom are black. but this he can't survive financially without that audience which is overwhelmingly

white. there is an anthem into the salesman tra. so they're in a unique position. what will be interesting to see is whether or not the black players going forward now feel so coerced that they take even more action, more protest and we didn't get to address that here. an hour goes by quickly, as you know. but i think it's a conversation we'll be having now every single sunday when that anthem players, we're going to be watching to see what the black players do. >> you think an hour flies. try five minutes with you right now. come on now. that flew as well. joy, thank you. thank you for coming out. we'll not be missing tonight's special town hall event. we woonlt have missed it before. i have a feeling a lot more people are not going to miss it now. "every day racism in america

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we've been talking to roseanne barr's cancellation of her show. and we've decided to cancel her show. this is an example of how corporate america is drawing line whether it comes to bad behavior. of course, roseanne and anyone else in this country has the rirgt to free speech. at this age where the president and allies say coectness, where is the line between what you can andhat you can't? joining me now the did french, senior fellow at the

national review institute and jamile smith from "rolling stone." both have talked a lot about this. let me start with you, jamile. you weren't ready to start anoiting and praising abc because you still are troubled by the decision they made to get into business with roseanne in the first place. >> right. i think what we're seeing here is they decided that they wanted to carve out a piece of this particular audience. they thought this audience was right for exploitation. this audience that supported the president, that talked like the president. and they chosen, you know, they whose to get in bed with a known twitter troll who has been racist and anti-semiconductorti website for years. they chose to do so with not really thinking about the consequences. and that's awe that's really at stake here. it's not whether or not free speech, her free speech is in jeopardy. it's the fact she was racist and

there are consequences for that racism. >> you know david french, as someone described you on the sunday show, you're one of the free speech conservatives, whatever that means to this person. and this person was quick to say, i'm not one of them. when we were talking about the nfl, for instance. you believe what the nfl is doing is wrong on free speech grounds. but you were quick to condemn roseanne here and almost sort of like, i mean, are we shocked that roseanne was a cause of this controversy? if you follow roseanne, and you seem to social security ls haal question, what what was abc thinking in the first place? >> what are they hiring a person where racist is the beginning of the indictment against this person, not the sum tote afl the indictment. and then also what very to deal with here, is look, i am a free speech conservative. and that means i believe the government, of course, should respect your free speech rights. i go beyond that. i say korngcorporations should a

high degree of tolerance for political disagreement. that is not the same thing as saying corporations should tolerate indense ency. there are still lines that exist here. and it's hard to find anyone who would say that roseanne's conduct didn't cross that line and didn't cross it pretty decisively. and, you know, abc hired crazy. it got crazy. >> you know, the other thing that is interesting to me is this -- is abc thinking this is what the trump viewer wants is roseanne's form of whatever this is? i don't want to call it conservatism. this isn't fair to conservatives out there. but is rose roseanne the person that president trump wants out there? >> it seems that he does. he supports anyone who speaks like him and gets the high ratings and what not. i think that you make a good point. i think that roseanne as she articulated her character on this new incarnation of her show

was a caricature of the trump voter. it is damaging in two respects. it's certainly demeans these people even while it claims to entertain them and characterizes the trump voter as poor, as working class, as white when the trump voter was a lot more wealthier on average than the clinton voter. and so we really need to really find story telling that ar tick lats the complexities, nuances of our, you know, frankly not just our racial politician but our politics in general. >> david, same question to you. it feels as if this is a caricature of the trump voter that frankly is kind of a lazy caricature. if you think roseanne is the average trump voter, again, i would call that a lazy caricature. >> it's a lazy caricature that trump himself embraced. remember, he called her to congratulate her for her ratings. look, our society has a very unhealthy relationship to celebrity. and conservatives are not an

exception to that. they will embrace a celebrity who embraces them or the aleast appears to embrace them. almost no matter what that celebrity has done in the past. you know, the national anthem is in the news. colin kaepernick has been extraordinarily inspectful of the flag compared to roseanne barr and her legendary national anthem performance. the rule of celebrity should not to me have to hug them backs out no, you got to have standards. >> well, that's what this gets at. oratcorpamerica did -- look, she was valuable financially. can you make that argument. she was valuable financially. and they chose -- i mean she was the center, as you heard earlier, she was the centerpiece of the sort of sitcom strategy that you could argue from abc or at least another one no to say, look, we're the -- whatever, we have the rainbow flag of political opinion on abc sitcoms. and they did choose their

standards over profits. >> right. and i think that you see at least they were wise enough to correct it. the nfl on the other hand has not been. the nfl said well, you know, we're going to not only embrace the mischaracterization of colin kaepernick's protest and making new policy to end the protests. but we're also going to, you know, essentially throw a little bit of money at social justice and consider that enough. i think that abc recognized or they should that they have to do more than this. they have to understand from the very beginning, from the concept tullizati tullization process you can't hire people that are libel to behave like this in public. and i think first of all if anyone can compare kaepernick to barr, i think it's not exactly the right comparison to make. >> no. it's not. david french, do you point out kneeling is a very respectful thing to do in general and i think that is the point you were trying to make. roseanne barr multiple times with the flag and the national

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this the reality is the north koreans know there's a good deal to be had with donald trump -- >> too good of a deal? >> possibly. >> that's a question is, you know, when donald trump -- i think is doing pretty well so far, but we've seen the bumps in the road that happen when you announce a summit without doing all of the grunt work that needs to happen in the lead up to the summit and when that happens, you get a summit without clear understandings of what is to be achieved and when donald trump has his eye on that nobel peace prize and just uses a word like denuclearize, bad things can happen. >> the president is going to deem the summit a huge success and it's going to feel like one of those things in three months that we'll find out for real what happened. >> yeah, and it will. if we don't know going in how success is defined and that

doesn't seem clear yet. what more does the united states have to give, by the y? we can offer sancons. sanctions has not crippled north ko they're still here. what else can we bring to sort of push them further along to denuclearization than they're willing to go? they don't want the jcpoa style agreement. >> what do they want? i thought there was a piece in the atlantic that nailed this. they wanted to be treated like pakistan. a grudging acceptance that we have the bomb and you can't do anything about it. >> they want us to take our troops out of south korea, they want us to take away the nuclear umbrella that -- >> they want this or does china want this? >> they want this and china wants this. i think this is where they really are together. i think we're being a little unfair to trump on this definition. i know that when we went -- when we sent the team obama to negotiate with the iranians, i knew we were going to come out with something that i wasn't going to like because they wanted the deal more than the

iranians. i don't think donald trump wants this deal more than the north koreans, i don't think that's entirely fair -- >> what's the stick that the united states has? we know the carrot. >> we can stay there. we can boost up our sanctions against them in ways that are meaningful. north korea is uniquely susceptible to sanctions because it is so isolated. >> isn't -- i think the big fear that i've seen others that are really concerned about is not that trump is going to give away too much, it's that ultimately the deal is going to be we're going to walk away from the region and that it's basically going to hand over the north korea problem to the chinese and the south koreans and we'll wash our hands of. >> and hello japan. >> essentially what we did with syria. you know what? it's your region's problem, we're walking out. >> you should pay for it. it's your problem. classic trump. it makes me very nervous when she's negotiating because he

doesn't have the background or the discipline and he wants to announce the win. >> he doesn't want to stay. >> i don't care about the background or the discipline, it's that. >> that's right. so he doesn't want to stay, the north korea nns want him out an the south koreans aren't paying a dime. >> they do. >> not enough. >> it's never enough. >> but you're right in terms of his approach. he negotiates this like he did new york deals and it doesn't translate to foreign policy. >> china is going to end up -- >> china is the winner on every single thing. on this trade stuff. china has been the winner. on this random deciding to sanction and not deciding to sanction and then sanctioning again back and forth -- >> i'm confused. >> i can't tell you as a foreign policy specialist what they're doing and not doing because they changed this morning twice.

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