they are majority female. so you are wrong again. my thanks to frank, elise, david, and jason. that does it for our hour. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now with the fabulous katy tur in for chuck. no basketball hazing from you. but i won so i wouldn't get any anyway. >> should i admit that i didn't watch? >> no. i watched enough for both of us. >> another fact check. robert mueller and rod rosenstein are republicans. and he appointed rod rosenstein. >> we are all over you, mr. president. >> nicolle wallace, thank you very much, and congratulations. ifs monday, allow myself to pardon myself. tonight, absolute power, and absolution. >> the president hasn't done anything wrong. >> then why is president trump talking about his authority to

pardon himself? plus, bill clinton speaks out on the me too movement and reflects on his affair with monica lewinsky. >> do you feel like you owe her an apology? >> no. i do -- i do not -- i have never talked to her. >> and is the anti-trump movement proving to have a california dream, or a primary nightmare for democrats in the golden state? this is "mtp daily." and it starts right now. ♪ good evening, i'm katy tur in new york, in for chuck todd. and welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight on the verge of a constitutional crisis. as the president asserts absolute power over the rule of law. the president today declared an absolute right to pardon himself. his lawyer, rudy giuliani, told

meet the press that he has the authority to terminate or launch any federal investigation. and his lawyers told bob mutualer in january that he is immune from obstruction of justice laws. taken together, it appears that the president and his legal team are arguing that the constitution has granted him something akin to sovereign immunity, that he cannot commit a crime while president. because justice is whatever he says it is. for a sitting president, this is a sweeping and historic claim of executive power wielded for one obvious purpose, to subvert the russia investigation. guys, we have reached the point where the president and his legal team are denying crimes while arguing it is legal to commit them. collusion, and conspiracying with a foreign power to influence the election? according to them, not a crime. >> that's what you do. -- maybe you shouldn't, but you do it. if there was collusion with the

russians, they would have used it. >> obstructing justice. not a crime. the president's lawyer told mutual hear the the president's action could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amendment to him obstructing himself. in fact, pick a crime. they would argue that it doesn't matter. the president declared today that "i have the absolute right to pardon myself". pick an investigation, he can shut it down. >> does this mean he can terminate any federal investigation? is that the argument here? any federal investigation he can terminate. >> yeah, i mean, that is pretty clear. and constitutionally it sure looks that way. i haven't made that argument. >> right. >> we don't have to make that argument. >> here's where the narrator says they did make that argument. think about "arrested development", if you will. and lastly, if collusion and obstruction by the president are constitutional, then as the president said today, the appointment of the special counsel is totally unconstitutional. joining me now, bob bower, was

white house counsel to president obama. also our panel, beth fouhy, john pod horse, and zerlina maxwell, former clinton campaign adviser and an msnbc contributor. bob, i do want to start with you. the president is arguing that justice is whatever he says it is. he is arguing that he can pardon him from anything. he's got absolute power, basically, at the justice department. are those the arguments that an innocent person makes? >> i don't know whether they are the arguments an innocent person would make. they are certainly arguments an innocent western wouldn't want to be heard to make. i want to point out one key issue here. they have argued that the president is protected from prosecution while still in office. president trump is now taking the position that for all intents and purposes he is immune period, both in and

outside of office because he takes the position that he could pardon him and he could pardon for example, witnesses against who would testify against him after he left office any reason including outright self protection. these claims are sweeping and apply not just for period that he is president but beyond. >> giuliani also takes it a step further. he says that the president could shoot somebody and he couldn't be indicted, he couldn't be prosecuted by anybody, that the only recourse ob would be impeachment, the only recourse is congress. is that true, the only recourse is congress? the president can do basically whatever he wants without fear of the law coming to get him? >> no. and i think if you inspect the letter that his lawyers put forward there is not a convincing argument there rooted in any press debted or settled constitutional history of it's simply incorrect. i can't imagine that the president and his lawyers believe they could sell the courts on the hypothetical he has wide such wide ranges immunities that he could murder somebody in the oval office and

get away with it. >> the letters like that, he can be indicted, on the ka be subpoenaed, he can pardon him, going on authority and saying i have the absolute authority to pardon myself. i think that's a very big deal and if we saw any other president doing this, democrat or republican, heads would be exploding left and right. >> there would be people in the streets. >> people in the streets. congress is slugging it off. republicans in congress seem to be slugging elements of it off. they are saying, no, he can't pardon himself but they are kind of sluggg off all of his pushback.and the lawyers' are the voters going to slug it off? >> i don't think so. i still think the small contingent of people that are never informing to stop supporting donald trump -- we talk about this every week -- they are going to still support trump. but the vast majority of americans are hard -- you know, staunchly in their position against donald trump, and working to elect democrats. so it's not just that it's 60%

of the country that is opposed to donald trump. it's that their enthusiasm is higher than the 30% who does support donald trump. >> the weirdness is, there is some merit in the arguments that were made in the letter. but the letter is insane. and there is some merit in what giuliani says. and rudy is talking like a crazy person. what i mean is, the constitution says the president has an absolute plenty potential year right to pardon. it is not qualified at all. and the constitution also says that congress has the power to impeach and throw him out of office for high crimes and misdemeanors that are not precisely dene me the founders foresaw that there was a problem with the president in charge of the executive branch because the powers of the executive branch both flow through the president as a person and that congress might have to step in and kick him out of office if he did bad stuff. >> but did they envision a president that would go so far

as to pardon him? >> as i say, rudy even said this about the shooting. what he saidwas, he would shoot and then he would be medley impeached and removed from office, and then he could be tried. there is a weirdness in the theresidency flowing into the f president as a person. >> what does it say, though, about a president who would assert such an authority. >> it says they are crazy, there are no guardrails, no limits, and no boundaries. where his people go to the most extreme part of the argument rather than doing what we would call a trialballoon, which is say look you can try to subpoena us, but according to this press diplomat and that thin and this other thing the president doesn't have to comply with a subpoena with a he issish you autoing to him. which is the idea that the justice department works for the rest. >> they failed. they are asserting arguments

using the eun terry executive. not to get legalistic. that is something that people assert but it's not backed up by precedent. there isn't a long list of court cases that back u that theory. >> because no other president would go out there and say i can pardon myself. >> isn't what president trump and his lawyers are doing is daring mueller to do it. they are sick of waiting. finally, let's test these theories. let's see what happens. and you know, the confusion and the disappointment, though, i think coming from the republican side is he's not going to do that he will do it when he is good and ready. he is not ready yet. about all the lying. where are the republicans when it comes to all the lying coming out of donald trump's mouth, sarah huckabee sanders's mouth, in the lawyers' mouth. in that letter that the lawyers -- bob, i want your take. in the letter the lawyers sent to bob mueller they said that the president dictated the trump

jr. statement before sarah sands, sekulow, everybody was saying he had nothing to do with it. here they are in a legal letter ng that not true, trump dictated that letter. how is that going to confront them? >> in many ways. i think it was a concession made because mueller knew it anyway. i don't think they made that concession because they wanted to, but because they had no choice. i would view that statement as leading to and raising a whole host of other questions heoes not want to answer right now. he made that concession in a letter in which he is essentially saying he doesn't want to answer further questions. he doesn't believe a further interview is warranted but that concession cries out for follow up questions. if he was involved in drafting a fallacious press statement about don jr.'s meeting with emissaries of the kremlin in june of 2016, the natural follow-up question that any prosecutor would ask is when did

you know about that meeting? who told new advance? did you know in advance? o spoke to you afterwards? we already know there are unanswered questions about what he heard from his son and perhaps hat meeting this. letter underscores the importance to the prosecutor of asking those questions. this concession in the letter simply sets up the argument that he need to sit for that interview. >> what were you trying to cover up in drafting the false statement? that's the question that i certainly would ask. i'm not a prosecutor, but i would ask it. >> absolutely. >> talking about the truth and lying, here's an issue that comes up from it, from the president's denying something, it tngut to be true, lawyers denying something, it turning out to be true. sarah huckabee sanders saying something that later turns out to be false, including this notion of the trump dictated statement. a reporter today in the white house press briefinged is sarah sanders directly, if you can't comment on this now, how do we know that anything you are saying is the truth when this has turned out to be a lie when

in the past she had said that donald trump had nothing to do withng or having anything to to with that trump jr. statement. listen to this exchange. >> what's the reason for that direnc >> like you said, this is from a letter from the outside counsel and i direct you to them to answer that question. >> what was yourasisor sayingn august? >> once again i'm not going to get into a back and forth. i would encourage you to reach out to the outside counsel. cane believe what you are saying from the podium if lawyers are saying it's totally inaccurate. >> i can't comment on a letter from the president's outside counsel and i direct you to them to answer it. >>. literally you said he did not dictate. the lawyers said he did. what sit? >> we purposely walled off and i would refer you to them for comment. >> people are laughing at that it's not thou funny. what -- >> sarah huckabee sanders said it before in her own defense is i share the information that is given to me, the best information that i am given at

the time. she herself is misled. that goes back to the core of her credibility. whether she bei tol misinfortion or making it up off the top of her head, she can't be relied on. >> i'm reminded ziegler in the nixon briefings. they were not televised. it happened every day. he would say something, a piece of news would break and he would say, well, the information has changed. and la, la, la. >> he also lost all of his credibility. >> he did. does she have credibility? when has she had credibility. >> we have seen press secretaries have to leave their positions because they were proven to be lies. >> nixon and ziegler, yeah, it's been done before. after nixon, there was supposed to be a change in the way things were done. >> it's 45 years later and people forget and we are having

a relearn being some of this. >> clearly. >> you are only forced to leave yourffice if the president says you are not helpful to me anymore, right. >> absolute lee. >> clearly, this is the press secretary he wants. >> a i looer. >> yeah. >> well, someone who doesn't tell the truth. put it that way. zerlina maxwell,ohn possible horts. you guys are staying beth -- bob bower -- someone gets into my ear and starts talking to me and confuses me. i'm sorry. bob, thank you very much. ahead, is the anything in a the president could do or say that would cause congress to draw a labor in the sand? you never know what the day's going to bring when you're running a small business, it might even bring a blue screen of death. having it problems? ask a business advisor how to get virus and spyware removal, and 24/7 tech support. office depot now offers on demand tech support for as little as $15 a month. ♪

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>>e back we've said, president trump and his lawyers appear to be testing the limits of the executive branch. but they are also testing the limits of republicans in what's supposed to be a cocall legislative branch. some, like the senate judiciary senate chairman and house majority leader are already signaling the president should not try to pardon himself. >> if i were president of the united states and i had a lawyer that told me i could pardon myself, i think i would hire a new lawyer. >> i don't know where the president would go forward pardoning himself but i don't think a president should pardon themselves. >> i'm joined now by pennsylvania republican congressman ryan costello and our panel is back, beth, john, and zerlina. congressman, welcome. >> good to be with you. >> a lot of gop law makers in congress are pushing back on this, the president shouldn't pardon himself, as you just saw. but why are all the other mueller attacks being allowed to slide? why is spygate allowed to slide?

why is memogate allowed to slide? >> number one, it's hardo keep with up with iall. right? and number two, i thinkt a lot of members of congress are focused on what they are doing legislatively and are trying to avoid having to weigh in on this on a daily basis. some such as myself have weighed in. i think it's b wel reported in terms of what congressman gouty had to say about this, which i sub describe to his position. the moment that you do that, you are going to geted a lot of repcans in the process. i think a lot of republicans probably look in the mirror and say what am i going to get myself in to if i just give my honest opinion on what the president tweeted about this morning? and then you have to remember the next morning there is going to be another tweet. this is the street fight. the president is street fighting and weighing in on it too often futures puts new the middle of the track as. >> then why join in on the street fight and try to take

down somebody like trey gouty. >> i missed a little bit of the question there. >> sorry. john coughed. >> sorry. >> it's okay. why if you don't want to join in on the street fight, that's one thing and you want to just focus on what you are doing in your office and in congress, that's fine. but then why go after trey gouty when he says he saw no evidence that there was any spy in the trump campaign? >> well, i agree. i don't think members of congress should be going after congressman gouty just for giving his opinion on the maermt my point is simply i agreed with what the chairman had to say in terms of it not being spy ghait. but the other point i would like to make is for a lot of republicans it becomes -- in a lot of these districts it becomes very easy to double down and just defend the president at all costs because i will say to you, even in a district labor mine, which is probably one of if not the bluest districts still on the map there are

republicans all across this country that feel -- and i was listening to you earlier, feel that the president is a victim. right. >> yeah. >> feel that the pnt is a victim you are a republican weighing in on that in terms of the legitimacy of the investigation, and looking at what mr. giuliani says from time to time on, you know, he could shoot comey and pardon himself -- that kind of stuff, it's not good. i don't subscribe to it. but for a lot of republican members of congress they look at it and say what benefit do i get from weighing in on this. >> in the 2:00 p.m. hour i laid out four strategy has the president seems to be taking in order to discredit the investigation and protect himself. the last one is what phil rucker raised today in the woeflt is that he has been painting himself as a victim forever. why does that work for republican voters. >> because we are in a the war and a polarized political situation. if msnbc attacks him, republicans are going to defend him. conservatives are going to like

if fox is good, msnbc and cnn are bad. the samantha bee is bad, trump is good. samantha says something nasty about ivanka trump, samantha bee is bad that hardens and solidifies the trump support. >> what a time we are living in. >> it works the other way. all i'm saying the reason we are in this situation and it works is that's one of the ways he got electsed. we are tribes. we are now very much two tribes. and you stay with your tribe. stay with your team. think about a bad player on the football team. >> this is not a football team, though. this is -- i know you are not making it -- >> i'm nottize praising it. but i'm saying if the you are a sports fan and there is a close call at second base, you support your team. you don't -- it's like saying i want to be fair, listen to what the ump says. >> this is the investigation of a important country meddling

into our elections and whether or not that candidate that won was helping in some way or coordinating in some way. look at this polling out for donald trump. among republicans, he commands the second-highest own party approval rating of any president at the 500 day mark since world war ii only behind president george w bush after 9/11. zerlina? >> it's almost like the facts be damned. because i think that you are right. the problem is that in the fox universe they are to the using facts when they are talking about the russia investigation. they are smearing the fbi and saying that it was democrats who clued or that bob mueller is somehow trying to take down this president even though we have said many times bob mueller and rod rosenstein are republicans. if you turn on fox news it is a completely different planet. in msnbc world i like to say that we use facts, even the

facts that i don't like, right? i mean there are times when i even have to say and criticize samantha bee for using foul language and saying that i didn't agree with the use of that word to describe ivanka trump. but i don't think on fox news you would see the same thing where they are criticizing people on their own side. i think we do that here more often than we do over there. that's the difference. it is a different planet with no facts. and each fact that contradicts something that they already think is true it actually salad phis and val dates what they think about in terms of the deep state and their own conspiracy. >> can i take it out of the realm of the culture war and the fox versus other media, which is certainly the case. that's certainly happening. what i worry about, maybe the congressman can address this, congress has undermined its role as a coequal brand of government. that goes beyond a culture the war and beyond fox news. it's something that will live with them for some time to come. the fact they have abandoned

oversight over this presidency. even the oversight we see, the intelligence committee investigation into the russia meddling has completely broken down on a partisan waysis. nobody trusts the outcome of these investigations. trey gouty is retiring. he is not even staying. he is only aowed to sort of speak his mind now because he is getting the hello health out of dodge. >> congressman what do you think. >> it is a heavily politicized environment. i agree. the other thing to remember is we have a special counsel investigation wreby all accounts there is nothing getting leaked out special counsel's office. we have one side utilizing their own set of facts or hypotheticals, the other side doing the same and then they are fighting one another. all the while an investigation is ongoing. i think it's rather premature for congress to step out and say this is what we no need to do while the investigation is still pending. >> let's take it out of the investigation framing and put it into the laws that are being

passed and i don't know, tariffs. listen to john kasich yesterday on one of the sunday shows. >> i have been frankly shocked at the fact that our leaders think they got -- they have to ask permission from the president to do hing. this is very foreign the me. it's alien to me. when you are elected to the united states senate or the united states house of representatives, you have the duty to represent your district. but most important, represent your country. not tus be thinking your political party. >> he is talking about the lack of pushback legislatively for donald trump's tariffs, which republicans don't agree with. there is also been an immigration debate that just cannot happen because the republicans won't send the president a bill that he refuses to sign. >> well, i may be the wrong person to ask because i do a fair amount of pushing back. i voted for kasich in the primary. i think number one on the tariffs issue you are hearing a lot of republicans speak out against what the president has

just done. >> why isn't there any legislation? why just talk? >> we do have a bill that's in the senate. we haven't introduced a house companion that would not allow the president to go forth with imposing tariffs without congress first giving an up or down vote on that. on the immigration issue we are five votes short of -- and auto i'm signed on to this, forcing a bipartisan debate on the house floor where the president will be able the put his bill on thor flo. we have a more conservative house bill, a centrist house bill and the democrats will be allowed to put a bill on the floor. in some respects it is a pushback to what the president is not doing on immigration. in another respect i think it's actually consistent with the round table that he had in oval office saying yeah let's get an immigration deal done with the democrats sitting in the room. >> i think that was just a photoon. >> i'm sad to say i think it

was, too, because nothing happened yet. i would like to see the president lean in and demonstrate leadership immigration issue. there are instances where you do see a republican pushback in the house and the senate. buback to john's point, this is a deeply divided country, and it does get back to cultural issues. i do genuinely believe that. and i have found myself very, very frustrated because, you know, we have the right, we have the left, but we do have a center. i think a lot of folks in the center dent know what to believe. and what they end up doing is sort of sitting back and waiting for it all to play out. and then judging it after the fact rather than leaning in and debating it in real time because they look around and those who are most fervent of the left and the right and you get your head chopped off if you are in the middle trying to balance things out and use some common sense. just my two cents. >> i don't disagree, sir. conman costello, thank you very much. beth, john, zerlina, you are

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with author james patterson. he also asked clinton about the me too movement and whether he feels differently now about what happened with monica lewinsky looking throughs m too. >> no, i felt terrible then. and i came to grips with night did you ever apologize to her. >> no. yes. and nobody believes that i got out of that for free. i left the white house $16 million in debt. but you typically have ignored gaping facts in describing this and i bet you eent even know them. this was litigated 20 years ago. two thirds of the american people sided with me. they were not insensitive to that i had a sexual harassment policy when i was governor in the '80s. i had two women chiefs of staff when i was governor. women were overrepresented in the attney general's office in

the '70s. for their percentage in the bar. i have had nothing but women leaders in my office since i left. you are giving one side, and omitting facts. >> mr. president, i'm not trying to present a side. >> no, no, you asked me if i agreed. the answer is no, i don't. >> i asked i you had ever apologized. you said you had. >> i have. >> you apologized to her. >> i apologized to everybody in the world. >> did you apologize to her? >> i have not talked to her. >> do you feel that you owe her an apology. >> i'm not -- i have never talked to her. but i did say publicly on more than one occasion that i was sorry. that's very different. the apology was public. >> president clinton also said the me too movement is overdue but he says he does not agree with everything. we'll be right back. how a flood of democratic candidates could truly drown out the party's chances of winning

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welcome back. time for meet the mid terms. for democrats, the road to taking back the hd then some hope taking on the president runs straight through california. and as we have been telling you in tomorrow's california primaries, the top two finishers regardless of party affiliation move on to the general election. but with multiple candidates on the ballot, democrats run the risk of splitting their vote and getting shut out in three key republican-held districts that clinton won in 2016. if they can't flip those seats, the path to flipping the 23 they need to win back the house gets a whole lot harder. joining me now is the man who is tasked with getting democrats elected to the house, democratic congressional campaign committee chairman and new mexico

congressman ben ray lieu hand. thank you for joining us. did you foresee a log jam like this in california when you went out and encouraged so many people to run for elected office. >> we alway knew it would be tough and knew there would be challenges. over a year ago, back in february of 2017 we actually opened up an office out in california, orange county, and sent staff down there. it was something we had not seen done in many many years, over a decade. it was important for us to get close to the voters, make sure we were earning their trust back. terrific organizations to make sure we were going to have strong candidates ready to run. it is up to the voters now and we need people showing up to vote tomorrow as election day is upon us in california and seven other states across america. >> how worried are you that you have so many democrats running in the key races that republicans hold right now but that hillary clinton won that you are going to end up splitting the vote and not

getting a democrat on the ballot? >> in california i was always been concerned. one of the strengths that we have is the number of candidates running across the america with all the energy. but when you only have two or three republicans running and many other democrats running the math is challenging. that's why we have been working closely with the grassroots organizations on the ground, working with californians, with our delegation members as well to make sure we are in the strongest place possible to get those top two seats. especially in the 39th district out in orange county and in dana rohrabacher's seat, and also down in san diego con. we have a lot of work to do especially for those seats but we don't forget we have competitive seats in the central valley and los angeles county as well. >> how many seats do you need from california in order to retake the house. >> we need 23 seats to win back the majority of the house. we need several seats out of california to be part of that. >> what number is several?

>> in my math there are 14ly currently held seats held by republicans. we have targeted ten of those and i believe we have a chance to pick up several of those as well. if we can pick up four to five seats out of california i think that puts us in a very strong ace. use we are targeting so many, ten seats of the 14 currently held by republicans in the state of california we know that that is part of the 104 seats that we have identified across america that give us a chance to win back the majority. >> the dccc i backing a couple of personally wealthy candidates in some media markets that -- media cost as lot of money. cisneros and ruda down there in the south. are you saying to up-and-coming candidates, upstart candidates, that they don't have a place running in a race that has an expensive media market? >> look, i think that candidates coming forward is so very important. and what we've seen out in california is incredible candidates stepping forward. but we've also heard from our

grassroots organizations, and all the organizers, all the voters on the ground, that it's important that they have a strong democrat that gets through the primary to work in the general. >> is a strong democrat mean somebody who can spend their own moneyon ads. >> someone who can connect and earn the trust of voters on the ground. we see that in gill scisneros. he is a veteran. he has been able to invest in local education opportunities for schools. that's something he committed his life to. and ruda, we also have a small business leader, an entrepreneur running on the importance of affordable and universal coverage when it comes to health care. two candidates i think have a great opportunity to put us in a strong place to win in the general. across america i always encourage people to step forward and run for office. that's why we have strong grassroots organizations like run for something that are doing spectacular work out there. >> talking about ruda and

cisneros, both are white men running against women of color. are you concerned about that? >> as a hispanic, gill cisneros is hispanic as well. as wet candidates running across america i'm very proud of the fact that we haveer candidates across the board in 104 districts. it's one of the most vie ders classes that we have had across america. women, people of color as well. i think that's the strength of our party is our diversity as well. >> final question. talking about bill clinton. he did that interview with my colleague, craig melvin today. is he somebody that you would invite to campaign for your candidates? >> look, our candidates are going the make decisions on surrogates that are going to be traveling out to their districts as well. we be leaving it up to our candidates. i would say especially with all that's going on across america it's approximate timed that we are having this important conversation about me too and time's up. and i think that that's something that's going to play out importantly across america. >> i think if i were bill clinton i would not see that as a yes i'm getting an invite. >> look, our candidates are going to make decisions on who

is going to be traveling through their districts. we put a lot of trust and faith in our candidates across america. candidates like connor lamb, who is driving the bus, if you will and making sure that surrogates would travel out there that made a difference to his constituents. i am going to put my faith in our candidates because they are incredible and they are working to restore checks and balances and earn back the trust of the american people. >> the primaries are going to be interesting. i will be in california covering foytr for malaysia. >> get out and vote, everyone. eight primaries across america tomorrow. ahead, the supreme court's cake decision. the high court sides with the colorado baker who circumstantial evidence to serve a same-sex couple. what does it mean for lgbt rights in this country? with powerload™ technology. feed the line. push the button. and get back to work.

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most successful candidate slirl throughout the primary races and a lot of candidates are looking at the dccc saying i know you e telling me to drop out but m mess notice rohrbacher district. he's the biggest incumbent in the country. what's going on there, the two top democrats who are trying to not come down, at least to get into the top two situations in california are running hard against each other. one is being backed by the california community. they're getting propped up, neither one of them has been willin out of the race. >> what's likely to happen there, they will cancel one anot out. and scott rohrbach will get into that position. >> it is the law of unintended consequences. so many democrats wanted to run, a lot of them are self-funders, the top two situation didn't occur to people as a liability until suddenly there were about 16 people on the ballot.

everyone is like, this is a huge liability. >> it's all about number two. >> it's not just that, it's also the governor's race that could be a spoiler for the democrats. you could get two democrats running. >> they're running pretty hard. >> there's 27 democratic can candida candidates. >> you're always reading op eds, you read like academic articles about great new ideas about how to open the process and be more transparent and bring new people into the system. reformist ideas, the largest state in the country, just a couple years ago, put this new system into place. it's blowing up all over the place. it should remind people as a good conservative. i'm going to remind you tt you tamper with long established political traditions at your deep peril. fornia politics.vering governor schwarzenegger was pushing for this -- the

democratic primary nominates the most left wing candidate opinion and the republicans nominate the most right leaning candidate. >> why was bill clinton so combative in that interview. why didn't he just say, hey, it's a different time, i feel badly for the way things went don. i feel badly for how monica lewinsky was treated. i'm sorry? >> because i didn't write the talking points for the area beforehand. that's what i would have said. >> does he need talking points? >> i would encourage him to show more contrition. the entire tone of the interview, he was on a defensive boss tour from the beginning. when he feels like he's being attacked, he led with his defenses aspposed to saying, i'm sorry. and then articulating maybe the differences he sees in his set of facts versus the cases we've been talking about in the me too

movement. i would say, though, the critics of the me too movement often say, the cases of harvey weinstein and all these other cases are not the same. yeah, that's true. what bill clinton did in the 1990s is different from these other cases. it's a spectrum. i think we should understand that, and take that to be true. i would have encouraged the president to be less defensive and more apologetic and contrite in this morning's interview. >> in a nationwide speech in september 1998, bill clinton who said i have sinned to the american people in that speech said i apologize to miss lewinsky and her family. i guess he didn't mean it. all he would have had to do this morning is say, as i said, at the time in september of 1998, i apologized on nationwide television to miss lewinsky and her family. >> he did say that. >> he said i apolgogized to

everyone. >> he apologied to her in front of the country. but he forgot it, because he didn't mean it. >> i do agree with you, that he could have articulated it and showed more contrition, and said, i'm sorry. that's just a general rule for apologies across the board. >> you can acknowledge that the times have changed. >> and we're looking at workplace sexual harassment in a different light than we did back then. >> and monica lewinsky has been a remarkably sort of pacifying figure in this country. she didn't go after him, she didn't prosecute if, she has never written horrible stuff about him about she hasn't come out against him, s hasn't attacked him. what would it have cost him to say, i'm sorry. >> she's the victim. >> guys, thank you very much for a spirited panel today. to those of you out there wondering if i'm signaling

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in case you missed, the supreme court is steeped in its long held traditions. the formalities and pump that make it around agust chamber. we noticed today a high court

tradition was absent. where you ask was the running of the interns. what is the running of the interns? when young journalism pledges are put to the test, rushing major supreme court decisions on foot to awaiting news crews. today bupkis. not a single intern running down those steps. we just all downloaded the pdf. news interns train for their moment in the spotlight. such intensity, with literal breaking news in hand. with paul revere but with tennis shoes and no horse. granted it's still early in the supreme court season, there's still more big decisions to come, so let's all hope this

tradition hasn't run its course. give it time. after all, when it comes to delivering justice, it is a marathon and a sprint. that's all for tonight, chuck will be back with more mtp daily. "the beat with ari mel better" starts right now. >> i imagine you looked at those interns and thought to yourself, one day i will be a newsman and one day an intern will run one of those decisions to me. >> are you channeling a hypothetical mentality "once had? >> i feel like you had it. >> they have the running of the bulls in spain. this is more like the running of the briefs. and i take your point digitally, it's somewhat unnecessary at this point. >> i like in a