theory about the nba. >> well, i think it's not good for the nba if the warriors win in four. >> i think the people are going to have to be as good as the warriors. i'm not trash talking just yet. but you know. >> celtics next year, baby. >> beat them. >> celtics next year. >> beat them if you want it to go longer. >> that does it for my hour. my thanks to the panel. i'm nicolle wallace, "mtp daily" starts right now. hi katy. >> happy friday. >> happy friday. >> if it's friday, mueller keeps charging forward. tonight, special counsel bob mueller hits paul manafort with another indictment. how far will the ripple effect of the new charges reach? plus, why is the president so gripped by his pardon power? i'm not above the law. i never want anybody to be above the law. and yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. and friendly fire. how president trump is alienating allies and making new

friends. >> now it seems like it's going to be a g 6. it looks like we are on the verge of getting kicked out of the g7. >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. ♪ good evening imi'm katy tur in new york in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." we begin tonight with breaking news. president trump's former campaign chief, paul manafort has been hit with new charges involving witness tampering and obstruction of justice. special counsel robert mueller filed a third superseding indictment against manafort, which also charges one of manafort's longtime business associates. according to these new court documents, manafort and his associate conspired to influence two potential witnesses in the case. guys, to stay that mueller is turning up the heat on manafort

would be a major understatement. today's new charges, manafort is now facing potential jail time for allegations ranging from conspiracy against the u.s. to money laundering to acting as an unregistered foreign agent, to false statements. and now, obstruction of justice. not to mention, mueller has already secured a plea deal with manafort's top deputy on the trump campaign, rick gates. as mueller again turns up the heat on manafort to potentially get him to flip against the president, the president is again flaunting his absolute power to pardon anyone, even himself. here's the president earlier today. >> i do have an absolute right to pardon myself, but i'll never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong. the democrats have had massive collusion, massive obstruction, and they should be investigated. we'll see what is happening. >> i'm rebounder and you are glue.

joining me now, tom winter, mimi rocha, and our panel, john podhoritz, caitlyn huey burns, and gabe debenedetti. tom, let's start with you. this is the third superseding indictment on paul manafort. what does robert mueller have on him now? >> today's charges directly reflect something we learned earlier this week. and that is an attempt by manafort, according to prosecutors, to tamper with witnesses to kind of guide their testimony, for them to say -- and the root of this goes to manafort's political lobbying efforts here in the united states on behalf of the ana kovic regime in ukraine. basically he was trying to guide them to say, hey, you didn't do any work in the united states, remember? it was all work that was done in

europe. basically an attempt by manafort to kind of guide them. constantine has been referenced in court documents although not specifically named before by mueller's team. as we have previously reported he is somebody that the u.s. government believes has ties to russian military intelligence. he is mentioned today. he is one of the persons that was charged along with paul manafort. it's two charges having to do with conspiracy to obstruct justice as well as object instructing justice. those charges are tied to those efforts to try to tamper with witnesses. they say the two of them were together to try to do that. this is now the third superseding indictment in this case. meaning this is the third time that mueller's team has come in with new charges based on evidence they have come up with. manafort's team has not yeth yet responded to this. he of course pled not guilty to the charges in the past. he has to respond by today. a judge told him to respond today to these tampering allegations that were raised

earlier this week. katy, we will wait to see what he has to say about this. >> right now he is on bail under house arrest. robert mueller is trying to get the judge to revoke that bail. when will a decision be made on that? >> we expect manafort's team to respond to that, like i said, today, and then next week they will have a hearing to talk all of this over. it's unclear with today's superseding indictment whether or not they are going to wait to hold a hearing on that. so will the judge at that point or will she make a decision next friday on whether to revoke or modify his bail. it's difficult to see where they would modify his bail further as you mentioned he is on home confinement. he has gps monitoring. he is restricted right now in what he can do. it would appear that this is starting to lean towards paul manafort being held in jail until his d.c. trial commences sometime this fall. >> if i remember correctly, he is wearing two monitoring bracelets on both legs, right

tom. >> i think they have been able to at the time it down to just one. but at one point you are correct, he had both. >> mimi rocha, extrapolate for you, the new court filings, where do you think the investigation is going? >> i want to make one point that tom raised. now that these new superseding charges have been failed, manafort will get arraigned and brought before the court and have them read to him or explained to him. that could happen before friday. the hearing that is scheduled for friday is about his bail. but it may be that now the courts schedule some kind of arraignment sooner on these charges and the bail issue gets dealt with sooner. we don't know that. i think the fact that mueller has brought the obstruction charges in the indictment as opposed to just alleging them in a letter as he had done previously now makes detention much more likely. it's hard to manafort's lawyers to argue, they haven't charged

us, these are allegations. no, it's been charged now. it's been proven by probable cause. and mueller believes he could certainly prove it in court or he wouldn't have brought the charges. as for where this goes, i think this is significant for a couple of reasons because it shows manafort's really deep ties with constantine who as everyone knows by now certainly has ties to russian intelligence. you have heard the saying you can't be a former russian intelligence officer. it's not just with respect to these obstruction charges. it shows could be stan teen's involvement going back many years with manafort, and during the time of the campaign. so manafort was interacting and doing this scheme, this lobbying scheme, this attempt to hide his actions on behalf of the ukraine from the u.s. government during the time that he was a campaign manager with this former russian

intelligence officer. so this puts manafort really booep deep in it. this is whatever c word you want to use, collusion, conspiracy, this is it. manafort is in it. and now the real question is what is he going to do? is he going to cooperate? if he does, what will he say about trump's knowledge or involvement or other people in the campaign about these activities. >> i want to talk to you about witness sampering specifically, what the new charges are around. knowingly and intentionally attempted to persuade another one with respect to testimony in an official proceeding. could you make the argument that the president has attempted to persuade witnesses himself? he has been going offer jeff sessions recently tweeting about him just three days ago, and sessions is somebody who has been interviewed by the special counsel. >> look, i mean, that's certainly the -- one of the things that mueller is looking at. are trump's repeated sort of --

you know, attacks on sessions, on comey, on -- and then the dangling pardons to other witnesses -- you know, are those attempts to get them to either, you know, shut down the investigation, change their testimony? and you know, i think to a lay person, you know, sort of if you are just looking at it in the sense of, you know, yeah, it looks like it, but in the sense of can you charge that to meet the elements of the crime, i'm not sure. and i think that's really going to take mueller piecing together a lot of different acts. i keep coming back to the trump tower cover-up, the meeting in the trump tower. i think that's very significant evidence of intent to obstruct. i don't think standing alone it would be enough. but i think it adds a lot to the things like you are talking about. >> it's been a crazy week this the mueller probe, the revelations we had coming out of

it. it began with the leak of trump's letter, the legal letter to robert mueller's team saying that yes, he did dictate the letter about trump jr.'s statement. paul ryan joining trey gouty to say no there was no. in the president's campaign. giuliani alleging that manafort is trying -- or that robert mueller is trying to frame the president. and now manafort being indicted. i enmomean that's a lot to happn just one week. >> the manafort story is bizarre. here's why. there are a bunch of charges against manafort. the least of them is that he was an unregistered foreign lobbyist, something on which only six people have been tried in close to 50 years. there's a money laundering charge, which is much more serious than other charges. this superseding indictment involves him trying to witness tamper on the question of whether he was an unregistered foreign lobbyist. he is trying to tell these two people who are unnamed, send

them hints that they should say that they did no work in the united states when they did. nast bizarre. he could almost certainly get out of being sent to jail for being an unregistered foreign lobbyist. no one ever really has. >> what do you make of that. >> i don't know. i mean it's stupid. first thing it looks like is that it's really stupid. that's not something that he needed to, you know, like threaten his freedom by witness tampering, which everybody knows is a really serious felony. >> but the obvious question that's raised by this then is well, what is he trying to cover up? if we are going to take it to the logical conclusion it's that what he is trying to stop them from talking about, this foreign lobbying arrangement that he had was much more serious than we know about and much more extensive than we know about. that raises even more questions about the broader scope of mueller's probe. and you know, we learned one lesson every week, it's that this thing is wider than any of

us know. >> we never hear from robert mueller's team. the only time we hear from them are through the court filings. you have the president trying to go out and tear down their credibility saying spygate, et cetera, giuliani, who is basically acting as the president's spokesperson now saying they are trying to frame him. we are talking about the messages that the president could be sending to others about pardons. could this be a message from mueller to the president? don't obstruct justice? >> this event combined today with everything that happened this week, one of course we don't know where the probe is going. every other week it seems like there is something coming down and we see the president react this real time. this event combined with what we saw from trump's lawyers and the controversy over the statement that the president made at the time, that the white house made at the time of the donald trump jr. letter in trump tower with what his lawyers said, that he actually did dictate that

creates this additional problem for the president insofar as he continues the weigh in on this he continues put him further and further into jeopardy as it pertains to this case. all the while, while they are trying to denigrate the case entirely they are kind of building themselves back into it in lots of different ways. >> mimi button this up for us. what are you looking out for next? >> well, i think that all these cries of there was no collusion, there was no -- you know -- we did nothing wrong with the russians -- i think this is -- that is not true. there has been no finding that there hasn't been collusion or conspiracy. in fact, the more hints that we get from mueller, as you say, he speaks not often. but when he does, you know, we see the russians coordinating with various members of the trump campaign. and this is yet another sign of that. manafort's closeness with column knick and not in the obstruction, which is serious, and he is charged in that.

but constantine shows up throughout this indictment in trying the defraud the u.s. i think we are going to see more of that. >> tom winter thank you. mimi, john, caitlyn and gabe stay with us. ahead the latest on the senate intel committee drama. a top staffer arrested in connection with the leak of classified information. the newest developments next. ♪ ♪

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i'm getting information on it now. it happened last night. it could be a terrific thing. >> welcome back. that was president trump responding this morning to the news that james wolfe, a former top senate intelligence committee staffer, was indicted on federal charges of lying to investigators about the potential leaguing of classified information. wolfe was in court today. his arrest is part of attorney general jeff sessions' evident to crack down on leaks of classified information to the media. at the behest of the president. the senate intel committee is of course deeply involved in the russia probe. and at least one case in which wol allegedly shared non-public information did involve the russia probe. meanwhile, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein gave a speech this week alluding to the pressure he is under from president trump. and his republican allies in congress over the russia investigation. he invoked the rule of law, rosenstein did, 17 times in his

20-minute remarks to a high school alumni dinner including say, quote, the rule of law is our most important principle. patriots should always defend the rule of law even when it is not in their immediate self interest. our panel is back. also with us, mimi rocha. who is rod rosenstein talking to? >> i think there is a lot of ideas that there are lots of subliminal and semisubliminal messages being sent from one part of washington to another. to me, it seems improvisa tory. >> the other day he said the department of justice will not be extorted. >> but he is going to speak at at that high school and he talks about the rule of law? what do you expect the deputy attorney general to talk about. >> he said rule of law is our most important principle,

patriots should always defend the rule of law even when it's not in their immediate self interests. i don't know, that sounds like a message to those in congress who are parroting spygate had he there is no evidence for that and paul ryan and trey gouty said that's not true. >> one, i hesitate to read into his motivations but it's clear that road road has been getting out there, giving speeches and sending some sort of messages. the other half is that it's amazing we are at a point where the deputy attorney general simply talking about the rule of law as a principle is immediately read as some sort of message to his allies or to the president or his enemies. that does not speak well. >> mimi, is this how the d.o.j. threads the kneeled. you let them pursue weak investigations like the news we have today while rod rosenstein is out there pounding the

pavement talking about rule of law? >> i think everybody is right, in a sense. that if the -- you know -- >> the diplomats -- >> the lawyer turned diplomat for us now. >> if his words, if every deputy attorney general's words were followed this closely every year we would probably hear a lot of speeches about the rule of law. this is something that d.o.j. leaders like to talk about. and they talk about it sincerely because it is the ethos at the department of justice. it is something that is grilled into your head from the moment you become a lawyer or a prosecutor with the deputy of justice, that the rule of law is above all else. it is above partisanship. it is above self motive. it is a selfless job that we are doing here, and we do it in the pursuit of justice, which is about truth and facts, not about necessarily convicting people at all costs. and you know, i did read his speech, rosenstein's speech, and i thought it was really well done in the universe of these

types of speeches that i have heard many, many times. i do think, though, that here he was very cognizant at the least of the fact that what he was saying is going to be read closely and heard. and so in that sense, i think he is sending a message. it's not that he changed necessarily what he was going to say. but his message -- he definitely said in that speech, you know, this is not -- we are not supposed to be partisan. we do not let our investigations -- in fact, we can be penalized, we can be punished if we let partisanship to come into this. he is trying in some sense i think to speak to the american public and explain something that you know is hard the explain if you are not in that world, which is that there is something above and beyond partisanship and above and beyond simply trying to put people in jail and win cases. it's about truth. and it's about finding the facts and following them. >> caitlyn, what do you think?

>> if nothing else, the president has given us a giant civics lesson over the past year and a half when it comes to this stuff i think it brings up a really important point, rosenstein and jeff sessions know they are under the microscope here. jeff sessions you have seen him being defiant in his position at d.o.j. yes, there is the concern of course that what he is doing is in response to the criticisms of the president. but he is staying put. he is there. rosenstein knows the speech is going to be parsed through yet he continues to have this kind of public voice in all of this. i think it shows on both of their parts this idea that they are comfortable in the stances that they are taking. >> but it's so chaotic. because on the one hand session is staying there, trump's attack on sessions is you are not -- you recused yourself, but you are not defending me against the deep state. right? so session is there. then he goes, okay we are going to be really harsh on the

families at the border, and you know, i want to arrest people for pot. and then today, trump says, you know what, i may support ending the fed -- i may support ending federal punishment for marijuana possession, which is a direct attack on his own attorney general who has made speeches about -- >> or is it the president deciding he wants to be the one in charge and he doesn't really think about anyone else. which is probably why he likes the pardon so much. he can do it unilaterally, he feels like the big guy who can make the big decision. people will praise him or they won't but it's his power. and it makes him feel special. >> non-of these are mutually exclusive. it can be true that the president likes to have the power of the pardon and that he is sending a message to people around him saying don't worry, i can pardon you if i want to. both of these are consistent with what we though about donald trump and his personality. sometimes we read too much into this stuff. he really likes to be able to

pardon eem people. >> likes to be in charge. >> rosenstein's personality is also very interesting here because he doesn't have to go give a speech to a high school. he doesn't have to do anything, can be completely private, not be a public figure who is he sending a message to. >> if he really on the with aed to lay low during this and not send a message to anybody, why would he take those events, go out there and start speaking about the rule of law. >> i love the rule of law. i'm not clear who he is sending the message to. who is he sending the message to. >> i don't know. i think that's why we are having this discussion. >> general public. when you look at polling in how the president has involved himself in the conversations around mueller, around the justice department. you see public faith in these ins stooigs institutions dropping. >> no doubt. mimi, there has been talk about why rosenstein hasn't recused himself from the investigation that he would have been involved in the comey firing. what's your take on that?

>> look, he consulted, you know, with the department of justice ethics lawyers who apparently told him he didn't need to recuse himself. i don't totally understand it. to be honest, on its face, it seems like there is a conflict there. but i also know that those lawyers are not easy in their advice. if they thought he should recuse him i don't think they would be shy about saying so. there may be more to the story than we know, you know, with respect to those facts. but you know -- i just -- one more point back -- i think caitlyn is right. that this is about rosenstein really trying to speak to the public and try to resuscitate some of the damage that's been done bay other people in the administration to the institutions, you know, that uphold the rule of law. >> let's hope people are listening to that. coming up, the extreatment lengths china may go to spy --

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at nasa's historic kennedy space center to support the expanding operations of its falcon family of rockets. that's it from cnbc. first in business worldwide. now back to "mtp daily." welcome back. guys right now we are dealing with a president who does what u.s. presidents just do not do. they just don't assert a king-like power over the rule of law by flaunting their pardon power as we talked about ier in the show. but they also just don't often behave in a way that punishes our allies and praises our enemies. the president is right now at a summit with our allies as they slam him for his isolationist view asks he slams them back with threats of a trade war. meanwhile, mr. trump is once again praising russia and talking about making north korea rich if things go well at next week's summit as well.

joining me now, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the pentagon and the cia. also on the panel, john, caitlyn, and gabe. jeremy, welcome to the table, remotely. what do you think of russia coming back into the fold and it becoming a g 8 again? >> cait katy, a pillar of russian foreign policy has been to driven a wedge between the united states and our allies. that's i think exactly what president trump sort of spoke about today, when he said he would welcome russia back into the g 8. but that wasn't even the most pro-russia thing he said. actually the most pro-russia thing he said was his declaration of economic warfare between us and our european allies and us and our nato allies. >> it sounds to me that donald trump is trying to farm laormul new world order. doesn't like our allies any long he, not a fan of merck cell and may, et cetera, the eu. likes xi jinping, really likes

vladimir putin, really likes the king of saudi arabia, maybe he could really like kim jong-un if this summit goes well. >> it's not clear what exactly is going on. whether it's improvisation whether he is winging it. standing there getting ready to board air force one he made these comments, which is more concerning which shows how hard wired into into his psychy, worldview that he admires strongmen and buys to russia's narrative that basically, america should not have the strength of its allies around it and we should do in febt what russia wants done on the world stage. >> that's exactly what i was going to ask following what jeremy was saying. he brought it up. what does it say that donald trump just naturally leans towards dictators. >> exact three what we think it says. it's not exactly promising for the old world order but in some

ways you can say he is doing some part of what he said he was going to do. he said during the campaign that his foreign policy was going to be america first. what his allies are trying to do in canada is convince him that his idea of america first that rely on the strong men puts america last. but he is not buying it because he doesn't seem to respect these people, whether trudeau or the others. >> is there some method to the madness. >> he is upsetting the apple cart. he is playing 52 pick up. he is throwing all the cards in the air and seeing when it's over if it can somehow be reassembled into something he likes better or is better for america. that's not much of a defense. but it is. all of it is complicated by him saying nice things about russia in the g7 run-up.

but the story in the last year and a half has been trump tightening restrictions on russia, imposing tough sanctions, agreeing to allow the sale of offensive weaponry to ukrainians who are fighting putin. the policies have not been pro-russian. that's why this seems improviser to to me and weird. all sort of the you want me to go to a meeting and sit there like a nice grown up at the table. that's not who i am. i'm just going to make troublest because that's who i am. >> why is he always making trouble with our allies. he is not making trouble with saudi arabia, not making trouble with vladimir putin. he is only -- >> no. he has made trouble with putin. he has been making trouble with putin for a year and a half. that's not right. he has. and he is trying to impose tariffs on china. >> jeremy wants in. >> if i could respond to john.

the poll size are pro-russian. tearing apart the transatlantic alliance between the united states and our allies is putt putin's playbook. we have made a decision the leave assad in power. that's exactly what russia wants. i would even argue leaving the iran down is to benefit of russia because it exacerbates tensions between the united states and our european allies. across many fronts america is now doing in effect what russia wants america to be doing. >> are you saying it canceled out the sanctions? >> am i saying that? >> yeah. >> no. i'm just saying that the strain that leaving the iran deal puts between the united states and its european allies is exactly what vladimir putin's russia wants to happen. >> when it comes to mexico and canada, i mean the president has been talk 30 years about this trade deficit. right? the problem is now it meets the reality of what this actually means. he talked about i want to get

away from all of these multinational deals and just have bilateral trade deals. fine. but we haven't seen the result of what that deal making would be, right? so he is lashing out against trudeau, lashing out against those -- they are meanwhile you know threatening retaliatory measures that could hit trump's base of support. >> in iowa today we were saying listen if you are going to close those markets for us you have got to find us new ones. >> he hasn't explained what the next step is. didn't even want to go to the g -- >> g7, or g 6, whatever you want to call it now. it's interesting, our producer jesse bergman found this. donald trump is liking -- he likes to have his cake and eat it too. he is saying we are getting ripped off as he says he is making it rain. >> our economy is booming, best it has ever been. $7 trillion in worth we created

since the election. we have gotten the best financial numbers, the best economic numbers, the best numbers on unemployment and employment that we have ever had. record numbers at every outpost. lowest unemployment numbers we have had. >> jump ball, someone make sense of this for me. >> exactly what republicans on capitol hill are saying. look, the economy is great, why are you trying to initiate this trade war? they haven't had much power to reign him in. they are not going to pass anything that curb his power. >> this network of alliances the international order we have had since world war ii it has been to the benefit of the united states. for us to tear it up and undermine it hurts our national security and is exactly what has been in the russian playbook since the dawn of the korld cold war. >> but it's not about the

russians here. he has said since the early 198 0s that we make stupid deals. we made stupid deals with russia. he could solve the nuclear war problem between the united states and the soviet union and that nafta was bad and all this was bad. now he is president and the economy is working and he is not willing -- as kate listen said he is not willing to sort of call an audible and say we don't really need to make all of these changes because what i'm doing is working. on the one hand he is saying what i'm doing is working. on the other hand he is saying we are a poor country and we need to take everything back. >> pat of it is he has to trash everything that came before him in order to make himself look like he is the one who picked every. he has to turn back what the administration implemented because if he doesn't, he is tasicily saying they did a good job. he needs to be the one held responsible for everything that that's happening right now.

>> if we want to look at it from a domestic political prospective this is a classic problem of coheerns that parties have when it comes to mid terms. they say the other guys were doing everything terribly but thing are going great under us even though we haven't changed anything. >> jeremy bash, thank you for joining us. we spresh your expertise. panel stay with us. ahead, environmental protection. even though the negative headlines keep piling up, president trump is still standing by his trump used mattress man scott pruitt. my day starts well before i'm even in the kitchen. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. so i asked about tresiba®. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® is a once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i need to shave my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® works like my body's insulin. releases slow and steady. providing powerful a1c reduction. my week? hectic. my weekends? my time.

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welcome back. tonight in meet the mid terms, the politics of health care, and the battle over obamacare is back. the trump administration now says that obamacare's protections for preexisting conditions are unconstitutional. believe that? and that the justice department will not defend the affordable care act against the latest legal challenge the will you's constitutionality. health care was already going to be a big issue this november. it was the top issue for voters in our new nbc news "wall street journal" poll. and democrats like jacky rosen in nevada are fired up to run on the issue. here is one of the ads running ahead of nevada's primary on tuesday. >> obamacare has real problems but we should be working together to fix and it bring down costs.

repealing it is just partisan politics, and that hurts. >> and the trump administration's decision is likely going to fire up democrats even more. two of the republican attorneys general who are suing over the law are missouri's josh holly, and west virginia's patrick morrissy, who happened to be challenges democrats kplara mccaskell and joe manchin in two of the most important senate contests of the year. you can expect this is going to be a big issue in those races and others. we'll be right back with more "mtp daily."

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then on-mccain and barack obama supported coverage for preexistingens can. what's going on here with health care is an effort to put a final stake in obamacare as a political matter and then go back and restore preexisting conditions. >> i hate talking about this in the political realm because what we are in effect talking about is a person who's -- i don't know, whose child is sick or sick themselves, loses their health care for a short time, tries to get on new health care and suddenly can't because it's a preexisting condition. or doesn't have health care and can't get it when they need it. these are people. this is their their lives. i think it's so weird and kind of sad that we talk about it as, here's where the politics are and here's them trying to put the stake in obamacare. these are peoples' lyes.

>> this is why health care se always a top issue as we see in this poll. health care is one of those thing that is effects your everyday bottom line. everybody is affected by their health care coverage and their inability to pay for their k coverage. this time there are potential changes in the law, and that's where people are going to be energized. >> one of the other issues that affects people day -to-daday-to very specific people are immigration issues. these are the two issues being discussed again on capitol hill. not to just talk about the politics but if you're a democrat running for office you're saying, fantastic republicans because i'm going to talk to the real people. >> i didn't mean to jump on you, i'm just saying, we all talk about it. the way the discussions go here. >> something interesting is going on on capitol hill, and

that's that republicans who want a daca fix are attempting to run an end around the republican party structure and sign a discharge petition that force a bill on to the floor that can be voted by. >> they're still a few votes short of that. it's unclear with the president would sign that. they can try to overturn it with a veto. but it seems like there's a republican majority to give it to the president. the same with daca. let's blow it up and assume everybody will fix it. how can you do that with health care, blow it up to make a better fix. how can you preem, if that's what they're going, how can you presume this congress can get anything done? >> this is unfortunately why we have to talk about it in political terms. there are constitutional

arguments to be made, but the reality on the ground is whether or not you like it, these are political decisions. republicans are saying we have to get rid of obamacare. what they are not thinking about or what the main thrust of the it is not is how to get it back the place because nobody thinks this congress can get things done. >> this is why security, feels how secure matter to the economy. the economy looks good on the paper. unemployment is down. there's still an insecurity mooj voters about how they're going pay for things. wages haven't increase third down way they thought they would. paying for things like health care, when you talk about how people are affected by these decisions, that's their bottom line. that's where it's personal. that's where the politics matter. >> i know we are a politics show and talk about politics. i love talking about politics. i love figuring out how things happen or don't happen or the odd on things but i think it's fornt remember in issues like

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