tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC June 8, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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ronald regan was first elected president in the election of 1980. he was sworn in right at the start of 1981. in his first year in office in 1981 he took a couple of little trips to other countries. he visited canada and mexico. went to the caribbean. but he did not take his first major extended overseas trip as president until well into the second year in office. it wasn't until june 1982 when ronald reganing to a big long european trip. and he visited france, italy, germany. and this date, june 8th, in 1982 he visited the uk. and he gave a big, important speech, a historic and controversial speech at the palace -- palace of westminster
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addressing the british parliament. it was introducing when he was introduced he got in rapturous welcome, long sustained ovation that seemed to startle him a little bit. i'm not sure he expected that warm a welcome. as you might expect part of that speech was regan just waxing eloquent about the special relationship us and the uk after they gave him the warm ovation. >> each stop of this trip is important. but among them all this moment occupies a special place in my heart and in the hearts of my countryman, a moment of kinship and homecoming in these haloed halls. speaking for all americans i want to say how very much at home we feel in your house. every american would, because this is as we have been so eloquently told one of
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democracies shrines. american's time as a player on the stage of world history has been brief. i think understanding this fact has always made you patient with younger cousins. well not always patient. i do recall that on one occasion sir wints churchill said in exas per tags about our distinguished diplomats he is the only case i know of a bull who carries his china shop with him. >> that day in june 1982. this day in 1982. regan went on to give an absolutely blistering critique of the ussr. this wasn't the evil empire speech. but the speech he gave in british parliament was equally blunt and provocative toward russia. one of the things that regan denounced the soviet union for in that speech was them giving covert political training and
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assistance to marxist lennonist in the went ever after the ussr. and he announcesed a american counterpunch against soviet efforts to promote communism around the world. he announced american led international efforts to promote democracy, small d, democracy around the world. >> while we must be cautious about forcing the pace of change, we must not hesitate to declare our ultimate objectives and take concrete actions to move toward them. we must be staunch in conviction that freedom is not the sole prerogative of a lucky few but the inalienable and universal right of all human beings. so states the united nations universal declaration of human rights. which among other things guarantees free elections. the objective i propose is quite simple to state, to forest the
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infrastructure of democracy, the system of a free press, unions, political parties, universities, which allows a people to choose their own which to develop their own culture, to reconcile their own differences through peaceful means. >> to foster of infrastructure of dpkz. that speech 36 years ago today on his first major trip overseas as president, ronald regan announced a u.s. led effort to promote democracy all over the earth. following year 1983 congress made good on the promise and created something called the national endowment for democracy. and the national endowment for democracy in turn created an international american institute to promote private enterprise and international american institute to promote labor rights. i'm not kidding. and to democracy promotion vehicles that were associated with the two major political parties in this country, the democratic one called the national dpk dpic sfut and the
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republican one was called the international republican institute. so the origin of these things that we're again created and funded by congress after the speech. the origin was this thumb in the eye speech that regan gave denouncing the soviet union and efforts to promote communism around the world. but the competing institutions that he announced in that speech and created the next year by congress, those institutions, democracy-promoting institutions, those still exist. and they're still funded by the u.s. government. and the democratic one and the republican one, they do still have loose affiliations with the two main political parties in the united states. but they don't do particularly partisan work. the national democratic institute which still exists and the international republican institute -- still exists -- and still do kind of non-partisan hard work around the world of promoting small d democracy and promoting the institutions of civil society that any culture needs in order to have a
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functioning democracy. and you might imagine that is a sensitive and controversial issue, right? particularly in countries where the government doesn't really want democracy infecting the way they're ruling their people. it was meant to be provocative and controversial from the outset when regan announced it. and it -- that's proven to be true over the years. but the institutes still exist. the efforts, the american efforts still exist and persist around the world even in difficult circumstances. and depending on the country where they are operating they've had hard times, near death experiences, sometimes governments throw them out and they become international incidents. but it's interesting. in the moscow office of the international republican institute, years ago, 13 years ago, 2005, they had a really interesting standoff with the russian government for a very specific reason. the international republican institute in 2005 -- their office in moscow, basically got
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shivved in what appeared to be an inside job. the spring of 2005. the head of the fsp, the head of the successor agency to the kgb, got up in front of the russian parcel many, the dom a and the head of the fsb made a totally unexpected hair on fire speech denouncing the international republican institute and the office in moscow, blaming them for fomenting unrest across russia, accuseding them of trying to overthrow the russian government. it was the blisters out of no where attack on an american organization. but there was a scarey part. in his speech, denunciation of this american group in the russian parliament, the head of the fsb department just criticize them. in criticizing them he basically quoted from what had just happened a few weeks earlier when this organize held a private retreat for the
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employees. this is like -- if somebody comes up to me and starts yelling at me on the street because they don't like me and what i do on tv and then they quote to me from the news meeting with the staff. how did you know about that? this retreat that the international republican institute had had, in the spring of 2005 it was not a public event. there was no audience for discussions. it was just an even for people working at the organizations. closed to the public. they had this closed all staff retreat but somehow the guy heading up the russian spy agency knew what was said at their retreat and then quoted it and used it to denounce them in parliament. according to new reporting from franklin forth, the atlantic magazine at that retreat of the american organization there had only been two non-americans in attendance. how did the fsb find out what happened at the reretire how did they quote what happened? there is a number of
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possibilities. i want possible the fsb mounted covert surveillance on the retreat location. they listened and they knew. it's possible one of the americans there one of the american employees of the organization may be went and told the fsb. maybe one of the american employees of the international republican institute was secretly a spy working for the russians. that's possible. but within the organization, within the international republican institute sowers suspicion at the time quickly fell on one of the two non-americans who had been at the he retreat. because between that retreat that somehow got spied and the denunciation of the group in parliament by the head of the fsb quoting what happened at the retreat between the two dates one of the two non-americans at the retreat got fired from the organization. a russian guy who had been working for iri got fired from the organization after that retreat in bad circumstances. so that raised the prospect that he was a disgruntled former
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impose. maybe he was so disgruntled he narcked out the organization that fired him to russian intelligence. for that particular employee that was not a far-fetched theory. because that particular guy who had just been fired from the international republican institute, right before the fsb mysteriously started quoting from what was happening internally at the office. that particular russian guy they fired was known himself to have ties to russian intelligence. his name was konstantin kilimnik. quote. kilimnik bounced around a bit doing freelance translating until lands a job at the moscow office at the entertaining republican institute. kilimnik did not hide his military past from the new employer. when asked how he learned to speak fluent english he responded, quote, russian military intelligence, according to one iri official. one political operative working in moscow told politico.com
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quote it was like costia, the guy from gru russian military intelligence that's how we talked about him. the fact of his training and military intelligence became the stuff of office teasying we he struggled to make sense of the american political term nalg. if i had you translate there are seven tanks and three infrantly with heavy mortar hiding on a bridge you could translate that likty split. >> konstantin would wegenke and say yeah i could translate that real fast. so the international republican institute had the office in moscow, a guy on the staff for ten years who was openly known to have been trained by military intelligence. he talked about it. they teased him about it. open point of discussion in the office. they ended up firing him for cause. and then later that same month after they fired him all of a sudden the head of the fsb is in russian parliament denouncing the group and quoting from
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internal meetings which this guy attended weeks before he got fired. as "the new york times" put it recently, they didn't have evidence but they suspected that kilimnik had been the source for the fsb. so it's interesting. that's what happened to the international republican institute back in the day, back in moscow. at least it seems like that's what happened. but the reason they fired that guy that spring from the american office in moscow, the reason they fired him for cause under bad circumstances and maybe caused this disgruntlement. the reason they fired him is because that guy had been caught moonlighting another american outfit. specifically with a american political consultant named paul manafort who at that time in 2005 was representing pro russian interests in the former soviet state of ukraine. well now, today, as you may have heard there is a superceding
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felony indictment that has been filed by special counsel robert mueller against paul manafort. we had thought this was a possibility a few days ago. the special counsel's office filed a motion in court in which they asked the judge in manafort's case to reconsider the terms of his bail because they said he had been tampering with witnesses, reaching reaching out to witnesses and coaching them on potential testimony. that's a crime. when we saw that complaint filed by prosecutors asking the judge to reconsider the bill we thought there was a possibility that the witness tampering allegations my might also end up being not just complaint by the prosecutors they might end up being the basis of felony charges against manafort. now they've been filed. instead of facing 23 felony charges, paul manafort trump campaign kmarm is facing 25 felony charges. what ended up being the big surprise here today is that paul manafort wasn't charged alone. the superceding indictment wasn't just for him.
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he was charged loongds konstantin kilimnik. the guy back in the day in moscow was suspected of narcing out the american pro democracy outfit that that the fsb denounced as enemy of the state as they got ahold of the internal workings of the organization. old konstantin kilimnik is the guy indicted by the special counsel to do alongside paul manafort. the 20th individual charged thus far in mueller's investigation into the russian attack on the presidential election and the connection between that attack and the trump campaign. of the 20 individuals thus far charged konstantin kilimnik is the 14th russian individual to have been charged. there's been 20 people charged, 14 russians. but konstantin kilimnik, his role here is nothing like all those basically anonymous russians charged in the indictment in february for having been part of the social media effort in russia to swai
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american public opinion. we didn't know the names of those people. didn't have the direct association with the folks other than the putin connected oligarch who headed up the operation. but kilimnik we know a lot about. from 1995 to 2005 he worked at the international republican institute, the u.s. government funded entity in moscow. he started off as a translator for them worked his way up. . his language skillsy acquired as a russian intelligence training school. he became friendly and known to u.s. political operatives over the years working with iri. certainly became known to journalists. after ten years at iri and getting fired under bad circumstances, he translated for paul manafort in manafort's political consulting business. that's what got him fired from i are i. with manafort he rose up from being translator starting as a translator to becoming a second in command to paul manafort. he ended up running the ukraine
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office within the kiev office for paul manafort's political consulting operation. did he all this work in the former soviet union without himself speaking a word of ukrainian or russian. konstantin kilimnik speaks both as well as fluent english. paul manafort quickly found him to be an indispensable part of his operation in ukraine. manafort would describe kilimnik as, quote, my russian brain. he was wadely viewed as paul manafort's alter ego in the former soviet union. special counsel's indictments thus far have spelled out paul manafort as consulting business in the former soviet union, tack millions of dollars a year from pro russian political interests. ultimately he brafrmd out not just from -- branched out beyond politics into doing business dealings in the region as well, including some attempted business partnerships with a somewhat terrifying russian
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oligarch close to vladimir putin and who famously can't get a visa to visit the united states because of his alleged ties to organized crime. according to multiple simple lawsuits about failed business dealings, paul manafort ended up owing that guy deripaska, million millions of dollars. i don't know the guy personal but i'm guessing the oleg deripaska is not the guy who is comfortable to owe millions to. i'm hungries that's the sort of guy that keeps you up at night. konstantin kilimnik appears to have been paul manafort as right-hand man both in terms of all his political work in ukraine but also in terms of business dealings in that part of the world including his dealing was oleg deripaska. and then kilimnik turns up in the remarkable emails first described in the "washington post", ultimately obtained and published by the atlantic magazine. and the emails we got last year show that as soon as manafort got into the trump campaign,
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immediately, he started to scheme with konstantin kilimnik about how he could use the role on the presidential campaign to somehow settle his affairs, maybe collect money, maybe reduce his debts, in the former soviet union. quote. on the evening of april 11th, 2016, two weeks after donald trump hired paul march on the president campaign. manafort email i had his old lieutenants kilimnik who worked for him for a decade in the kiev. march wrote, quote i assume you have shone our friends my media coverage, right kilimnik respond add few hours later from kilimnik. absolutely every article. manafort then asked in response, how do we use to get hole? has ovd operation seen. >> ovd meaning oleg deripaska. a has he seen how do we use to get hole?
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now how was paul manafort going to use his position on the american presidential campaign to get whole with some russian oligarch? no idea. this is an unprecedented open question in american history. but he and konstantin kilimnik talked about it a lot while he was running the trump campaign. kilimnik email that is april to 2016 to march. i have been sending everything to victor who has been forwarding conversation to ovd. victor is working or for deripaska. kilimnik says i'm carefullily optimistic on the interest of our biggest interest. our friend says there is significantly more attention to the campaign in his boss's bond and he will most likely be looking for ways to reach out soon understanding the time sensitivity. i'm more than sure it will be resolved and get back to the original relationship with v's boss. so v is this guy victor working for og he will deripaska. he is the russian oligarch who
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we think manafort owed millions to at this point. according to these incredible emails, between paul march the trump campaign chair and konstantin kilimnik this russian oligarch guy is increasing interested in the presidential campaign, will be reaching out to manafort about the campaign. something about that outreach will help manafort get back to his original replace with deripaska. presumably where manafort will be made whole. what are you doing with the presidential campaign paying off for you in russia? i mean, manafort by this point is the trump campaign chairman. he says, quote, tell v boss meaning tell deripaska if he needs private briefings we can accommodate. a we can after trump gets the republican nomination. manafort gets a another email from kilimnik talking about a long meeting with deripaska. we spent five hours talking about his story. i have several important messages from him to you. he asked me to brief you on our conversation having to do about the future of his country meaning russia and is interesting.
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let me know which dates and places work. even next weak and i could come and see you. manafort responds, tuesday is best. and then indeed on tuesday kilimnik flies over from kiev, shows up in new york. and he paul march have a long discussion where kilimnik tells the "washington post" he and mafrpt discussed unpaid bills and current news. the current news at that point was that paul manafort was running a presidential campaign in the united states. and unpaid bills that they were discussing longside that that we don't know. so now that guy has been charged. now konstantin kilimnik and paul manafort are both charged with felonies by the special counsel office. both looking at potentially decades in prison. we don't know why trump's campaign chairman thought he could use the trump campaign to improve his standing with rich russians connected to vladimir putin. we don't know what business trump's campaign chairman was up to when offering private briefings on the presidential campaign to a russia. oligarch close to vladimir putin
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to whom he owed a lot of pony. we know that konstantin kilimnik visited manafort twice while running the campaign. the emails pulkd by the atlantic suggest that purpose of the meeting was to convey messages from the russian oligarch to manafort while trunk the campaign. kilimnik later suggested to acquaintances back thome on one of the visits to manafort during the campaign he, kilimnik, played a role in getting the republican party to change the platform, taking a less hard line against russia. that change in the party platform at the republican national convention remains still mostly unexplained. it's reportedly under investigation by the special counsel office but at least one guy associated with russian military intelligence has been publicly bragging that he is the one who got that done. the special counsel's office has now described konstantin kilimnik in multiple court filings as being currently associated with russian military intelligence. it's not just where he learned english in the past. they're saying that he is now
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associated with military intelligence. an active link to russian intelligence, at least as of the presidential campaign. in the sentencing document for alex dan deer swaun who just completed his 30 days in his sentencing documents trump deputy campaign chairman rick gates told him that he should be in touch with konstantin kilimnik. gates told him kilimnik was a former russian intelligence officers with the gru. given all the known live links to russian intelligence it's somewhat amazing that twice since being charged paul manafort reach out to kilimnik to try to fight back against the charges. according to the prosecutors the first time manafort arguably violated bail was when he reached out to konstantin kilimnik to try to get an op-ed published about his case in a ukrainian newspaper.
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the second time, he arguably violated his bail was what led to the new criminal charges today where he again reached out to kilimnik to have him contact previous business associates who might be called as witnesses in manafort's trial. manafort has been using this russian intelligence guy kilimnik to get stuff done behind the back of the court, behind the back of prosecutors, at least twice since he has been charged. imagine how desperate you have to be to try that when you've been charged for what you've been charged with. now kilimnik will apparently no longer be his outside help. kilimnik himself has been charge. there do seem to be indications that he has fled to russia, possibly to avoid be extradited to the u.s. to face charges. him being a fugitive from u.s. justice hiding in russia raising interesting question base what comes next. in some whiches it might seem fight i'll to charge people not in the country.
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when russia is not extraditing any of them to a u.s. courtroom. but you know what, bringing federal criminal charges against the russians creates a weird dynamic and a weird dilemma for president trump. if president trump decide tsded to try to make this part of the russia investigation go away by pardoning paul martin. now that manafort is charged in a joint indictment alongside russian citizen konstantin kilimnik, the prosecution and the investigation that goes with it could no longer be stopped simply by trump pardoning manafort. to stat stop this part of the investigation. trump has to pardon konstantin kilimnik, a russian citizen, russian intelligence operative. and i know trump is willing to push the envelope but that seems unlikely. if you step back from this, this is just -- this is just a remarkable moment, right in u.s. political history. you might remember the day before the trump inauguration, "the new york times" had this amazing report. the new president about to be sworn in the next day, caught up in a counterintelligence
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investigation into links between people associated with him and russia. and russia had just attacked our election to help him. quote, the counterintelligence investigation centers at least in part on the business dealings that some of the president-elect past and present advisers had with russia. paul manafort did business in russia and younger. some contacts were under surveillance by the nsa for suspect the links to russia's federal security service. i mean, that was the day before the inauguration. we knew the day before trump was worn in that people close to the new president campaign manager had been under surveillance by the nsa because they were believed to be russian spies. he got sworn in anyway the next day. but now it looks like one of the guys has been charged. and within a week many if not movie of the -- excuse me many if not most observers think the president's campaign chairman will himself be in jail, contemplating a third round of felony charges, contemplating a
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joint indictment with a russian intelligence operative. and it's hard to imagine how paul manafort weighs all of this as he complaints whether he truly wants to face this all alone. instead of taking his only which out, which is cooperating with the special counsel. but as it grew bigger and bigger, it took a whole lot more. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. everything. and that 2% cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year... so i can keep growing my business in big leaps! what's in your wallet?
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today the case marked united states of america versus paul j. manafort jr. became united states of america versus paul j. manafort jr. and konstantin kilimnik, trump campaign chair paul manafort is now facing felony charges alongside his long-time business partner in ukraine, a man who special counsel robert mueller has said in multiple court filings "has tied to a russian intelligence service." in the superseding indictment that was unsealed today the two of them together are charged with obstruction of justice for witness tampering. "the defendants, manafort and kilimnik, knowingly and intentionally attempted to corruptly persuade another person with intent to influence, delay and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding." they're charged with obstruction of justice, witness tampering
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and they're also charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice which means that mueller has now indicted yet another person. the 20th person indicted in the scandal thus far. it also means for all of us that you and i together, us as a country, us as citizens, we've now reached the point in american history and in our lives where the sitting president's campaign chairman is jointly charged in a felony indictment with a russian intelligence operative. aw. i'm glad we were able to be here for each other. actually there's a little breaking news here. just this second, i haven't even finished reading it. we got it in the commercial break. we just this second got the motion from paul manafort's lawyers in which they object to what special counsel's office has filed in his case. before they filed criminal charges on witness tampering today against kilimnik and manafort they had previously filed a motion with the court in manafort's case asking the judge
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in manafort's case to revoke his bail, essentially to put him in jail awaiting trial because they said he had tried to tamper with these witnesses. manafort's lawyers have now just filed their response to that in which they call it -- they call the allegations of witness tampering "dubious." and they say that manafort is guilty of no such thing. "mr. manafort's limited communications cannot be fairly read either factually or legally to reflect an intent to corruptly influence a trial witness." manafort has unbelievable pressure on him right now. but he's got lawyers and they're fighting back. joining us now is julia ioffe who's a contributing writer to "the atlantic" who has done some totally intrepid reporting on konstantin kilimnik who found himself indicted today. ms. ioffe, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> were you surprised that the special counsel's office brought felony charges against kilimnik
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in this case, and do you know where in the world he is? >> i was not surprised. i think this was long in coming. kilimnik was so integral to manafort's operations, as you so eloquently described. as to where he is, i am not sure. but last we've heard of him i believe he was allowed to kind of leave ukraine and go back to russia, and it seemed that this was part of a deal with the trump administration, or with the ukrainian government where the ukrainian government would shut down its investigation into paul manafort's corrupt business dealings in ukraine in exchange for -- or it seemed like given the timing it was in exchange for javelin missiles, the lethal aid that the trump administration had proposed to the the ukrainian government in its fight against russia. that said, manafort, paul manafort was apparently instrumental in the summer of
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2016 during the republican national convention in placing this very strange line in the republican national platform at that time republican party stood for not giving lethal military aid to the ukrainian government. >> let's unpack this a little bit because it's crazy. so i want to get to the heart of the crazy. as far as we understand it, paul manafort obviously was working for the pro-russian former dictator of ukraine who was overthrown in a popular uprising and who the dictator then fled to russia. >> i wouldn't say dictator. >> the authoritarian leader of ukraine? >> authoritarian-leaning. >> okay. fair enough. thank you. i appreciate it. so after yanukovych ends up hiding in russia after his government is overthrown, manafort and kilimnik seem to continue to have some political work, at least continue to maintain political contacts and some political interests in ukraine with the successor
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agencies, the successor parties to the guy who they had previously worked for. but the successor government to yanukovych is interested in getting at the corruption. that was part of his administration. and as they're investigating corruption and kleptocracy in that government they actually start investigating meaningfully paul manafort and whether or not he was committing crimes essentially against the people of ukraine. is that fair? >> it's a little bit more complicated than that. actually, it's a lot more complicated than that i think. but especially when you're dealing with ukraine. ukraine is not a monolithic country. it is a democracy, even when it was ruled by yanukovych. when he left, the parties, the forces, the political forces, the business interests that he represented did not go anywhere. and in fact they tried to mount a challenge to the pro-western government that had come in with petro poroshenko, who was
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himself extremely corrupt. and it is not -- you know, closing down an investigation into one corrupt guy is not crazy in a government that's also riddled with corruption. so you know, i think this kind of makes sense as a kind of offering to the trump administration to get what this government, which is so anti-russian, which was lethal aid, lethal force in fighting the russian-backed separatists in eastern ukraine. >> and as part of what they may have arranged here, not only were the investigations into manafort dropped but it appears at the same time that kilimnik was allowed to leave ukraine despite the fact there was an espionage inquiry into him and he was allowed to go to russia, which is where we think he is now. >> yes. and if he's in russia, he's never going to see the inside of an american courtroom. russia and the u.s. do not have famously an extradition treaty and they lie to fight bitterly about who isn't extraditing whom.
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there are a ton of black bears in north america. ursus americanus. nearly a million black bears in north america. but there are few places in north america where these bears are known to congregate, where you as a human can count on reliably being able to see them in numbers up close. yellowstone national park is one of those places. so is great smoky mountains national park. but across the northern border in canada there's la malbaie. it's in the charlevoix region of quebec, a couple hours outside quebec city. in the same way you can take a whale watching tour if you're hanging out on the coast somewhere, in la malbaie you can take a bear watching tour. literally you go around and watch the bears. for hours. all around the town. and people get really into it. people write about the la malbaie tour on travel sites. "spent three hours close quarters to bears. a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
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the whole experience is very unique and exciting. a must." la malbaie is a destination for the bear enthusiasts among us. la malbaie is also this weekend the destination for the world leaders of the g7 as they hammer out world issues. while surrounded by bears. oddly comforting, i know. it is certainly more comforting than what happened inside that meeting. hold that thought. never thought i'd see one in real life. [ dinosaur screeches ] the park is in the past. run! we're not on an island anymore. there is a town five miles from here. am i dead? not yet, kid. change was inevitable and it's happening now. welcome to jurassic world. rated pg-13.
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preparation to become the newspaper's moscow bureau chiefs." susan glasser spent four years as the leading -- leading the "washington post's" moscow coverage. and the book she wrote afterward with her husband, mr. baker, their book about what they learned in their time there was kind of a warning. it's now a famous warning. it was a book called "kremlin rising: vladimir putin's russia and the end of revolution." their book made a case which is familiar now but was still very controversial at the time in foreign policy circles when it was published. they made the case that putin wasn't shaping up to be the kind of partner for the west that the bush administration and the early obama administration had hoped for and expected. they described a growing authoritarianism in russia built around the idea that putin would lead russia in a return to the glory days of the super powerful soviet union. susan glasser's been back in washington since 2005. she's been the editor of "foreign policy" and politico.
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and meanwhile, most americans have come around to recognizing vladimir putin as the figure that ms. glasser and mr. baker described over a dozen years ago. anti-democratic, increasingly authoritarian, certainly hostile to the west. not a friend. pretty much america has come around to that idea. not everyone. this morning as he departed the white house for the g7 summit in quebec president trump capped off days of berating his canadian hosts and the other g7 partners by calling for russia to be welcomed back into the g7 even they got kicked out just a few years ago because they invaded crimea and took part of their territory. writing in today's "new york times" about trump's antagonism toward america's long-time allies, former national security adviser susan rice had this blunt assessment. "there's no evidence that putin is dictating american policy, but it's hard to imagine how he could do much better even if he were."
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and if you want reported confirmation of just how bad those relations are between the u.s. and our strongest european allies, today there's also this sobering new piece, the latest from susan glasser, who now writes for the "new yorker." she spoke to a slew of european officials, and the quotes she got are remarkable. not just because they reveal how fraught american alliances have become but also because the feelings about it are so raw. "the rift between the world's great democracies that trump's election portended is coming to pass. senior government officials in london, berlin and other european capitals and in washington have told me they now worry that trump may be a greater immediate threat to the alliance," meaning the western alliance, "than even authoritarian great power rivals like russia and china." in berlin susan glasser spoke with several german officials who "made references to personal and familial dysfunction. a senior german lawmaker said, it's like your parents questioning their love for you." another said, "we were very emotional because our
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relationship with america is so emotional. it's more of a son-father relationship. we didn't recognize our father anymore, and now we realize he might beat us." when you up end decades of world order in a year turns out people take it personally and emotionally and seriously. susan glaser joins us next. just one free hearing test at
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smiles. if this was all you saw from the g-7 summit today this might seem one of the happy episode of fantasy island. the president is leaving early though from the g-7 summit. and at this summit it's clear something is wrong. the closest allies in the world are openly talking about rebuking the united states and acting more like a g-6 without us. the president kicked it off by saying he thinks russia should be become in the group. that was a blind side from the president nobody knew was coming. nobody knew why he made the case. and nobody knows the effect it was suppose the to have on was usually fairly placid discussions with the close i lies. joining us now susan glasser. staff writer at the new york. happy to have you. >> it was a kind introduction and now i feel old. although vladimir putin looked younger in the pictures you showed. >> you didn't mention when you
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became the bureau chief in moscow you were 7. >> you failed to mention that. >> i know. let me -- i wanted to talk to you about sort of your big picture perspective on the relationship between the president making these remarkable overtures toward vrmt putin, today going as far as to say russia should be back in the g-8 despite all the reasons they were kicked out. what's the relationship between that and the way the president is picking so many fights with and being antagonistic to our allies. >> i felt like even in this context where we feel we can't be surprised anymore, i have to say this morning i was really surprised to use trumpling down and confrontation with the allies. not only has he managed to alien and upset both the european partners, canada. as even the canadian officials said last week. canada, seriously, that's what you're doing? but he alienated them at the
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same time it's clear at least to me that the president has never let go of his desire to really reset relations with russia. and i think listening to him say they shall be back in the g-8 this morning when they were kicked out for illegally occupying and annexing territory in 2014 is really -- shows you that it matters what kind of a world view you have. donald trump is not with the program of the rules-based liberal substantial order. you know, he is not subscribed to the idea that if you invade another country you don't belong in a meeting of the world's largest democracies and economies. that's what the g-7 is posed to be. and i think he has this view of the world that's a very almost karo darwinian kind of great powers rule. and he wants to sit down at the table with china and russia. and he is not comfortable with the more consensus multilateral internationalist approach that
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really most of the predecessors had in recent years. >> is the order he is more comfortable with, does he share that vision with vladimir putin? is what he is pursuing toward the zrups disrupt of toward toward allies in the west is that toward russia. >> i don't know what is in trump's head as to why he feels deeply clearly and personally -- he is bitter about the allies in a way he doesn't seem to be bitter at all about, you know the dictators and authority tanner leaders he is comfortable with. he has a sense of grievance if you listen to him talk about europe, listen to him talk about canada even. this idea that he is getting robbed, cheated, ripped off, you never hear that when he talks about russia. and i think that, you know, the two of them really -- whatever is in their head, their end is the same, right, which is chaos and instability inside the western alliance. >> susan glasser, staff writer
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