and 7:00 eastern time. >> thanks a lot, dave. have a great afternoon. i'm richard lui. art of diplomacy. right now president trump is on his way to singapore. the president saying he'd know within a matter of a minute or so whether kim jong-un is serious about giving up his nuclear program. but is he prepared for what happens after that? >> he can take that nation with those great people and truly make it great so it's a one-time shot. and i think it's going to work out very well. >> then, early exit. despite the tension over tariffs, president trump leaves that very spot you saw there, the g7, all smiles, and according to him so were the rest of the leaders. his surprise pitch to lift

tariffs and allow rush back into the group. to top a s-- top a spy. >> we're going to start this hour with president trump. leaving the g7 summit in canada, just a bunch of hours ago heading for singapore and his historic meeting with north korean leader kim jong-un. now while in earthquaquebec, th president came in touch with the closest allies. wide ranging news conference this morning, president trump declared the summit a success and said relations with u.s. allies remain strong. >> i will say it was not contentious. what was strong was the language that this cannot go on. but the relationships are very good. i would say that the level of relationship is a 10. we have a great relationship.

angela and emanuel, justin, i would say the relationship is a 10. >> nbc's kristen welker is in quebec. you were listening to that very attentively. tell us about what our allies, right now, in erm terms of thei reaction. >>reporter: well, look, i think there is a broad acknowledgement here that while relations have not been completed upended, this was a difficult sum. they were dealing with difficult issues, and this issue of trade at the forefront of that. a lot of tensions and disagreements still remain, richard. you heard that from the president''s remarks himself. he made some of his starkest comments yet on the issue of trade, threatening, saying

tariffs should essentially be taken away or else there will be real repercussions. that is significant. now there is buzz that perhaps we'll learn about some joint language that they may have agreed to, no confirmation of that. we're waiting to hear from other leaders who are going to hold press conferences today as well as everyone from the president of france to the prime minister of canada. other issue that's royaling the allies here, is one that you touched on, the fact that president trump said he thinks russia should be readmitted to the g 7. remember, russia's membership was suspended z back in 2014 after it invaded crimea. take a listen to what the president had to say on that issue. >> i think it would be good for the world, i think good for russia and the united states. i think it would be good for all of the countries of the current g7. i think the g8 would be befter

having russia back in would be a positive thing. >>reporter: and all of the countries here, said they wouldn't support russia re-entering the g 7 with the exception of italy. in fact the canadian prime minister said look, russia continues to act illegally because it hasn't yet pulled out of crimea. that was met with a pretty sharp backlash as well. in addition to lawmakers on capitol hill. president trump setting his siekts on the next historic summit. he is on his way as we speak. we know the president has been preparing, getting briefed regularly by his secretary of state. and today, he struck an optimistic note about that summit. here's what he said about north korea. >> i really feel confident. i feel that kim jong-un wants to do something great for his people. and he has that opportunity, and he won't have that opportunity again.

it's never going to be there again. >>reporter: and of course the president also said he'll know within a minute or so whether those talks are going well. he said it will be the touch, his feel. this is what he does, he said, recall touting his skills as a deal maker. that's one of the things he ran on, the prom lis he could get the best deals. will it work in time? the stakes could not be higher. we'll have to wait and see what happens. that summit now just a few days away. >> you've covered so many of these high powered meetings before. what was the tone overall? i we're getting towards the end of this gathering. number 2, the president left early, rite before the issue of climate change was to be discussed. remind us why he left early. >> reporter: well, both of your questions sort of fit together, richard, because when you think about the tone, the tone was somewhat tense, and the fact that he left early underscores

that. administration officials tell me the reason is so that he can put the focus on the summit, that he sees as incredibly high stakes, this face-to-face with kim jong-un. i think that really makes the point. look, he came here begrudgingly, there's no doubt about that. now, it's also important to point out, richard, that the optics are different than the tone. optics, we saw a lot of smiles, handshakes, back slaps, but we know those conversations were difficult and the president himself acknowledged that he was firm in those conversations, and that america's closest allies were firm as well. so where does it all go from here? what are the tangibles and what happens to these relationships? >> we have a lot to watch in the next coming hours. i we're looking forward to that. our white house correspondent in canada with the president just before he left hours ago. thank you. i appreciate that. now let's bring in the panel. katelyn owens, we have msnbc and

the author of nuclear nightmare securing the world. steve clemens. steve, you heard the reporting coming out of quebec. and the president leaving, then taking to the air around noon, leaving important talks. what do you think this left in terms of a flavor at the g 7? >> the most sour disgusting awful flavor possible. quebec is going to be seen as a historic summit when the allies begin to seriously consider what they need to do to constrain the united states or work on global problems without the united states. i think the canadian foreign minister said it best where our canadian allies but many others feel deeply insulted by what we've done to them. to see donald trump simultaneously hug russia,

advocate for russia on this important internation stage, and at the same time, stab allies in the back, is a remarkable moment in history. >> looking at some of the video from earlier, when all of the leaders at the g7 were at this -- video opportunity, shall we say, and katelyn, was specifically watching justin trudeau, as well as president donald trump. seeing the two leaders standing next to each other it's been deba debate how well they are getting along. how well are they? >> there's a lot of tension now. on one hand there's the tariffs we've put on canadian imports, and then there's also the nafta tal talks. president trump has been floating the idea of getting by lateral trade deals. can in a day said et' not interesting. keep nafta intact.

that's one to watch for sure. >> joe, you heard the talk leading up until friday and then today and that is the g6, g1. g 6 plus 1, ie, president trump operating outside the idea of what the g 7 might be. what might happen? white they announce, you think, because we're about to hear from many leaders in the next hour or so, might they announce something that is a g 6 move? sans the united states? something that related to climate change? >> i think this meeting, particularly after the president's absurd demand that russia be readmitted to this group, has stiffened the spines of western leaders. i think you may look back, as steve indicated at the historic nature of this summit, and the end of the appease. of donald

trump by western leaders. they have been trying to flatter him, to chat him up, to become his friend, appeal to him. you saw what happened on the iran deal, germany sent its chancellor, france its president, great britain, the foreign minister. could not convince the man to let the europe keep what was in their core security interest, a deal that stopped iran from getting a bomb. now the tariff talk, the russia talk. it's too much. he's gone too far. i think you will quite likely see the g 6 start to chart their own course and try to wait out the donald trump presidency. >> looking back at that picture from the angela merkel team. reflect on what joe was saying about that. >> united states has at least donald trump has this perverse notion he can move the world on his own and to his own posture and will. the fact is all the great things in the world that need to be done need partnerships and

allies. you've got to work with other countries, and to have those partnershi partnerships, you have to help them in what they need. we have failed to show these country that is we care about their core concerns. angela merkel and many others have said we need to begin planning without counting on the united states. and that is not just their needs. that's going to come back and create real cost for the united states on all of the big causes we're going to care about. some sohave staggering significance for the safety and future of the rest of the world. >> katelyn, what's your readout in terms of what you saw? >> i just want to pick up on a few points. this is a huge deal. this has implications all thoov the place. trade alone has impacts on pocketbooks. that can -- we can see -- that can have effects on the global economy as well. then trade isn't just about

trade. it's about these alliances are about national security, about economic security. and so this could have huge repercussions, especially if things get worse. >> is this another chapter in what we've seen since this administration began in january of last year? or is this a sudden move, you believe. >> this has been the program ha steve bannon plotted out early on, that donald trump has been running on. i mean the president of the united states is wrecking an alliance, set of relationships that go back 100 year, beginning with the u.s. entry into world war i. we have been a core partner with europe, and then the leader of the western world for over 70 years. president is throwing all of that away for no good reason. >> yeah. you know that gathering, annually of some 62% of the global net worth, that's a big number that gets there. and it's just ending, so i wanted to get all of your

reflections now that we're at the 4:00 hour, we're going to be watching to see what they say in case they have made a move saying we're going to do this without the united states. certainly will come back to you. katelyn owen steve, thank you all three, great stuff. >> thank you. we also have new developments in the russia investigation on this saturday. robert mueller filing new indictments against paul manafort and one of his russian business associates. plus how the arrest of a former senate worker could signal efforts by the white house to crack down on leaks to journalists. insurance that won't replace

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welcome back. ate rest of a long time senate intel committee staffer raising serious questions about government tactics and president freedom. james wolfe was charged belies to agents. the "new york times" reports prosecutors secretly seized a year's worth of phone and e-mail records from one of its reporters. ali watkins who allegedly had a relationship with wolfe. >> very interesting they caught a leaker and very important leaker. so it's very interesting. i'm a big, big believer in freedom of the press but also a beliefer in classified nsk information. that includes comey and his band of thieves who leaked classified information all over the place. so i'm a very big believer in

freedom of the press, but i'm also a believer that you cannot leak classified information. >> joining us now msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. and david corn. >> barbara, has you look at this case, leaking apparently here. at least in three incidences, to a reporter, one of whom he may have had a remand tick relationship with, what stands out. >> his conduct is serious. when you have a job like that, you sign an agreement you get briefings that say i understand that classified information, the release of which can cause serious damage to the national kurt of the united states is something i promise to keep close. disclosure if he did it is a serious matter, lying to the fbi is a crime.

what's not clear is how the fbi went about its work in getting the evidence, including securing evidence from the reporter. in 2015, the obama administration came up with a protocol that was an effort to respect both the national security and news gathering function of the press. in the spirit of the first amendment, because those two issues are so very important. and so there are some very high hurdles that prosecutors and the fbi are supposed to go through before they can obtain those materials from a reporter such as high level review at the department of justice and others. >> tell us about that process quickly if you can here, barbara, and did this process violate again, the idea of press freedom in united states? >> so the policy gives special protections when you are seeking to gather information from members of the news media recognizing the special role that the free press provides in american society. so, unlike a regular ordinary citizen that you're obtaining

information from, if you're obtaining information from a reporter you must first get high level approval from the department of justice, you must show them that you can go not get this from any other source and you're supposed to reach out to the news outlet and give them an opportunity to negotiate the scope of what you're seeking unless that would cause serious jeopardy to the investigation. it's not clear whether that was done here. it's not legally required but it was a matter of department of justice policy during the obama administration and is still onlt the books. >> david, what are you hearing at mother jones? >> well, we know what's been reported publicly. there's a lot of gossip and speculation about what did not happen. as barbara just said, we don't know if the justice department and fbi took at steps necessary suggested or put into doj guidelines before going for the reporter's material, which does, i think create a chilling impact. to me, there's a bigger issue

here. we go back 2016. united states was attacked by russia in an act of information warfare. does the public know about this? still not as much as it should. house investigation shut down in bitter party zan acrimony led by the republicans. senate investigation is still going. robert mueller is not necessarily going to tell the public what he finds. that leighs it to the press, media to figure out what happened here and tell that to the public. yet, we have jeff sessions recently saying that he has three times as many leak investigations going on than at the end of the obama years. trump administration really starts turning the screws on reporters who work on -- in the national security area, it there limit the public's right to know about what happened with russia, what's happening with other

controversi controsi controsies. >> according to the reporting and exposure he may have caused was related directly to again, the russian investigation question. right? in addition to that, according to the indictment, some 82 text messages with a reporter, right? those numbers are quite large. you've seen a lot. how often does a case like this happen if you will, that may not be caught? >> well, i mean this has a bit of a house of cards element to it. there is a person fall relationship between a young reporter and this veteran. i know james wolfe. i've talked to him at hearings. not a source. say that out now. so i think, looking at how the justice department responded to this, is really the key thing here. whether this is going to get in the way of other good national security reporting being done in washington and elsewhere, by us and "new york times," washington

post. and nbc and msnbc, there are very deep implications of this case. >> all right. david. thank you so much for that. i appreciate you being here. barbara, thank you as well. north korea's nuclear program seems to be the talk of the upcoming cusummit but what about the country's history of human rights abuses. a north korean defec ter sharing her story. peninsula trail? you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world. sometimes in ways we never imagined.

i'll be on a mission of peace. we appreciate the working together with north korea. they're really working very well with us. so i say so far, so good. we're going to have to see what happens. >> right now, president trump, he is aboard air force one about four hours right now, since leaving canada. he's heading to singapore for tuesday's historic summit with kim jong-un. that's a meeting he says he's

been preparing for his entire life. we have more. bill? >> reporter: well attention is already shifting from the g7 summit in quebec. remember a summit of allies and friends or supposed to be friends to the summit here in singapore, which is a summit of old enemies. and the stage is being set for a summit really like no other, because whatever you say about this meeting, it is not a normal summit. advanced teams from north korea and u.s. have arrived. there is an empty aircraft on the runway at pyongyang airport, which we believe will take kim jong-un here. interestingly, it's not from his own state airline, which we believe is incapable of having a plane reach singapore. it hasn't got one big enough or powerful enough. so it is an air china plan

diplomatically lent by beijing. security is normally very tight. remember, even protests here, even demonstrations need police permission. so you can imagine what security is like now. island where this summit will take place is in virtual lockdown. security barriers are being -- concrete barriers being erect the specially outside the summit hotels. security here tight and airspace will be closed off well before the summit takes place. we expect both leaders to arrive here tomorrow. we think air force one will touch down here tomorrow sunday evening. so far, so good. so much detail. what we don't have detail about, richard, is what the summit is really going to be about. what they're talking about, we don't have an agenda. we don't know how many times they will meet. we don't know how long the meetings will take place. we don't know whether they will go for a long walk, whether they'll go down to the beach.

we simply don't know in details have not been released. trump says this is much more than a photo opportunity. yes, it's a getting to know you ssion, plus, but it is the beginning of a process which he hopes will be a success. of course he says he hasn't been preparing or doesn't need to prepare for this. he's been preparing all his life. it's about attitude and a willingness to get things done. you could argue kim jong-un has been preparing. he's met president xi. he's met south korea's president moon twice and a reputation for knowing the detail of things. but of course for him, this is the biggest meeting. it's a meeting that his father and grandfather craved, for a sit-down session with an american president that would give the leaders of north korea respect but also the country the recognition it has craved for

seven decades. what will happen p at the end? we don't know. mike pompeo says they are drafting a joint commune kay which would be a form of success. but of course, what's in that commune kay, we have no idea. back to you. >> a lot of people wondering what's in there. thank you for us there in singapore. north korea remains one of the world's most repressive regimes with an appalling record of human rights violations. this woman was just 13 years old when she fled the country. her story went viral. she continues to speak out against the regime and joins us now. it's not often -- thanks for spending time with us. >> thank you for having me. >> a person has successfully gotten out of north korea. gets to south korea. now in the united states. you're married and have a son. you're going to columbia university. but you -- your story starts in much more difficult situations.

you were trafficked. your father was also doing trade with china. tell us how you got out of north korea. >> my father has like informal training in the black market. he didn't do anything bad. so he was sent to prison, and he was tortured. and all we could do was not enouhave enough food to eat. we did not know that we had to go to china. we did not even know our freedom was. all i saw was lights from china side. i thought, why they have electricity, why they have paved roads. how they have cars? that's how i knew if i go to china i might find something to eat. >> and you got out but you got out under very difficult circumstances. human traffickers, right? >> yeah. >> sexual exploitation. you were forced to marry a chinese farmer. how long was that trip for you to get out of north korea?

how long did it take? >> about two years journey. through in china, hiding. running away and all that journey. my mother and i defectors so we crossed the desert by foot. >> how long did that walk take? >> that was only one-night walk. but minus 40 degrees in february in 2009. >> what were you wearing to get across that desert? >> we just had -- didn't have gloves or anything. just some clothes that we were wearing. we don't know even like, when i left north korea i didn't have a suitcase. it was my bare body and same thing, my body and the clothes i was wearing at the time. >> how bad was it in north korea when you were there? we see the stories and the pictures of hunger and deprivation. >> it's hard to say, because i mean i thought like i never knew my country was isolated. people in north korea don't know they are slaves. that's why if you don't know you are slaves, how do you demand to

be free? so for me just seeing the bodies, if you get up in the morning in the train stations, corpse,odies and put them altogether in the carriage and move them around. >> who are these dead bodies? >> just normal people. my uncle died, my gram. in the '90's, millions died from the star skrags but not the people in pyongyang. kim jong-un was fat. north korea using starvation as a tool to control people even though they can feed the entire population but they choose not to. >> when were you able to talk about this as a very young girl, when and how were you able to talk about hey, this isn't right? you didn't do it openly, certainly. did you do it the a home with your mother or with others? >> when i was back in north korea?

no. i thought he was a god. not even in my dreams, even in china, i never thought i would criticize. he was a god i did not know. he was like us human being. so it took a while for me after arriving in south korea, when i 1984 and found. that i think first time i started understanding what really happened. >> when did you know you weren't okay? you weren't getting enough food, you weren't happy, you weren't living in a country with a god? what was that point? did you look down at your hands or arms and said wow, this is not right? >> mm-hmm. i did not know that when i was in north korea i was very hungry and i could smell the food from china side, and -- >> you could smell the food from china? >> yeah. river is not that far away and you see the chinese people teasing you, like hey, are you

hungry? >> they're teasing you? >> yeah. kids hey, are you hungry. i was like why are you talking about it. and that's -- but i did not know i had to be upset about it because in north korea, we don't know the critical thinking. actually now is so clear when i see tj kim jong-un's photo. he was hungry and working so hard to keep us safe from american ambassadors. >> it is no doubt you are certainly an individual who has become a spokesperson when it comes to the idea of freedom. that idea that we sometimes take for granted, so i can't thank you enough. keep on with that message. >> thank you. >> how strange, you and i sitting here at 30 rockefeller center, looking at pictures over my shoulder here. of the possibility that there could be the beginning, the beginning of a discussion between united states and the leader of north korea.

would you want to go back if something happens? if there's some sort of okayness, if you know what i mean? >> if north korea becomes free, i will certainly want to go back because that'shere a my relatives are. i don't even know what happened to family members that i left because since i spoke out, north korea used my relatives. if you go to youtube, you can see my relatives back in north korea saying i'm the puppet of the west. so i want to go back and see -- >> human rights prop a gan da puppet. those are some of the words. >> yeah. >> do you want to go back and help to change what that situation might be? >> i want to go back when there's no dictator. so where people can be free and respected for having their dignity. but not now. if i go back i'll be executed and the north korea, kim jong-un right now who's going to meet

possibly the leader of this free world, the guy who's going to meet is he sending assist natures to kill -- >> give me one word to describe what you feel when you see these pictures and this meeting that's going to be happening in singapore. give me one word to describe how surprised you might be. >> i -- i mean disgusting, how are you saying that you want a normalize diplomatic relationship with this hitler. this guy is running concentration camp. in north korea, people right now have to clap for this dictator to survive. how possibly on earth this guy can exist with us and normalize the relationship. >> there will be nobody that i will speak today watching what's happening in the next several days more closely than you, and i can't thank you enough for all the things we've discussed today. so best of luck to you.

i can see you making a big difference. we really love to see you here in the u.s. and what you mean to the idea of freedom. thank you. >> thank you so much. we also have this hour, moving to the topic of the g 7, the president, as we were just talking about going to singapore but just leaving a very important annual summit, the g7 summit there in canada. white house announcing the united states -- this is one of those questions, will join the g 7's joint commune kay that had been in some doubt widely discussed. nbc's kristen welker has been following this from the beginning to end for us. you and i were just talking about that. give us the details. >> reporter: this is significant. this was a little bit of a cliff-hanger. it wasn't clear the that president trump was going to sign on to the g 7 commune kay. that is basically the statement that is put out by all of the g 7 countries and it deals with a range different topics,

everything from trade to wimt women's rights. it touches on a range of different topics. now we learned he will be signing on to that g7 commune kay. senior administration official telling us we can expect a statement from the white house. while we await that, let me read you what the prime minister of kw canada just had to say. he says i'm happy to announce the release of a joint commune kay by all seven countries, they had strong firm conversations on trade, especially tariffs. i stand ready to work with president trump to resolve the dispute swiftly. now of course tariffs had been at the forefront of some of these very difficult conversations that were occurring behind the scenes. of course president trump recently imposed new tariffs on some of america's closest all s allies. that infuriated some of the countries, president trump taking some of his toughest tone and stance yet when he had his

own news conference. he talked about the fact he wants to see these countries lower their trade barriers or else the u.s. isn't going to do business with them. really tough talk before he left. he left a few hours earlier than expected and a few hours before the summit actually concluded so he could now focus to that summit in singapore with kim jong-un. but, again, the news at this hour, president trump has agreed to sign on to that commune kay. it had been in doubt, but somehow they resolved the resolutions. at least around the language. we'll have to read between the lines because i'm sure there will be interesting details between the lines. >> there it is. breaking news coming from kristen welker. there in quebec city, canada devil's in the details. we'll see what's in there. >> devil's in the detailing. >> what is said in that, how much might have been watered z down, how sharp they may be in the language they use regarding all of those issues. thank you for bringing that to us. definitely appreciate it.

get back to you later. thank you. china does not have a seat at tuesday's summit with north korea. we're alluding earlier from the g 7, the president going to singapore to discuss the very topic of north korea, but its presence is still being felt. nbc news has exclusive reporting to prevent chinese spying at the summit. they tell nbc the u.s. is concerned about spying in the form of possible recruited informants among the waiters and restaurant staff, electronic surveillance and meeting in hotel rooms and attempts to penetrate cell phones, even when they are off. u.s. says that in the past china has placed listening devices in credit cards, key chains, jewelry, and event credentials to try to capture secret conversations among u.s. officials. for for mon this let's bring in sean henry. chief security officer for crowd strike. and glen karl, a former cia operative. thank you both for joining us

today. sean, this reporting coming from courtney and andrea mitchell, which you may have seen here, what is your reflection on the possibility of this happening there in singapore? >> well, i think that the possibility is about 100%, richard. this is obviously one of the major issues in globally, right now. and the chinese certainly have an interest, like many other countries, but chinese specifically because of the relationship with north korea and the united states and the significance of the talks. we know that the chinese have one of the largest collection capabilities in the world, and it's very likely that they'll have people who were placed there human intelligence, signals intelligence, ability to intercept communications et cetera. u.s. is very well aware of this. this is not unusual, es peon naj is done globally. this he'll have counter

intelligence capabilities in place to ensure they minimize any collection by the chinese that's unwarranted. >> you were saying well practiced, established metrics in process. you no he very well, so does glenn. glenn, when i was reading through that reporting, what stood out to you? >> well, the reporting is spot on, of course, but it's a little bit like expressing shock that there's gambling going on at a casino. this is what happens in international relations. china certainly is doing this. and notable data point is i think it's in the last five years, possibly 10, but i think five, there have been on the order of 155 arrested by the fbi of chinese related intelligence operations in the united states. that's an astounding number. as china rises, and the u.s. china rivalry heats up, the intelligence activities are intensifying also.

however, not to defend china, but it isn't unusual what china is doing, and i will bet you my retirement that virtually every other country with an interest in the island with the summit is doing the same thing. >> sean, i lived and worked in singapore. i remember one thing the folks would say. they would scream up to the corners or talking to the singapore government. we didn't mean that. after saying something like that. but how true is that? and what other countries might be of concern here? >> there are a lot of nations there that have an interest. and to greg's point, this is not unusual. espionage is well known. all countries do it. there was a former cia operative who is alleged to have been providing information to the chinese government about u.s. efforts in china. i think this is something the u.s. is well aware. . chinese have 100 year capability

and they're going to follow the plan to be the super power by 2049. u.s. will take efforts to mitt gate that and ensure that their secrets remain safe. >> right. one of the on the flip side, singapore known for its security and safety. that's probably why that location was also selected. we have to leave it there. great conversation with folks like yourself shawn henry. how the first lady spokeswoman is contradicting rudy giuliani's comments.

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rudy giuliani is receiving a lot of heat for several things he said during a conference this week. it all started when he decided to attack stormy daniels' credibility. >> i'm sorry i don't respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance. or a woman who has great respect for herself as a woman. and as a person. and isn't going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. >> he also said this about first lady melania trump. >> she believes in her husband, she knows it's not true. i don't think there's a slight suspicion that it's true. excuse me, when you look at stormy daniels. >> spokesperson for the first lady fired back saying i don't believe mrs. trump has ever discussed her thoughts on anything with mr. giuliani. and if all that weren't enough, giuliani was also rebuked for

saying this about the upcoming summit. >> kim jong-un got back on his hands and knees and bigged for for-did -- begged for all right. back with me, barbara mcquaid, joining us as well, tara dardell, democratic strategist and former contestant of "the apprentice," jennifer ruben, "washington post" reporter. tara, i'll let you start wherever you like on that. there's a series of comments by rudy giuliani. it appears, again, the president's lawyer here. >> yes. >> is he a distraction tactic for the president? >> i think rudy giuliani, first of all, is on what i would call a desperate-for-relevance tour now. this is all about rudy giuliani promoting rudy giuliani. he clearly had not spoken to the first lady. we're even sure if the president speaks to the first lady, let alone rudy giuliani. however, i will say the president is benefiting from his desperation tour because of the

fact that rudy giuliani is providing a distraction. we're not talking about scott pruitt and what he's doing at the epa and his litany of eluding taxpayers. we're not talking about the cruelty to children. he is providing the president with the distraction that the president needs from some of these real issues. >> and one of the tones that i pulled away from watching here, jennifer, was the misogynistic tones. pregnant whether it was shaking shoulders, grimacing talking about various women related to his comments so far. rudy giuliani is -- is he still the food -- is he the food tester, the taster, to try out these different ideas and different attitudes? >> it's hard to say what is deliberate and what is just him as we were saying shooting off his mouth so he can get on tv and be relevant and have donald trump praise him because he's on television.

so i think on one hand, yes, it's, quote, working because the media spends a lot of time talking about it, we're talking about it right now. on the other hand, in the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference whatsoever. robert mueller does not care what giuliani says, whether it's true, false, all of the stuff is utterly irrelevant. his case is moving forward. so there's a degree of this that is really kind of a side show to the underlying prosecution investigation of this case. i will say one thing -- i thought the statement from the first lady was brilliant because not only did she deny ever speaking to him, she didn't deny that she believed her husband. and that was a -- sort of a pregnant because there. that was interesting. we don't know whether she believes her husband or not now. >> interesting. barbara mcquaid, does this lawyer really function as a lawyer, rudy giuliani? it seems like the statements being made so far are not necessarily related to that topic. >> yeah. it's unknown what he's doing behind the scenes in negotiations with robert mueller from a legal perspective, as

he's acting as a lawyer. the things he's doing publicly are very much not within the lane that one would expect from a lawyer. as a former u.s. attorney, rudy giuliani should know better about what he should or shouldn't be saying, about staying in his lane, about having discipline about public messaging. makes me wonder whether he is just reckless and shooting off his mouth, or this is a strategy to talk about other things, as was said, to be a distraction from other things. where is the ethical duties not to unfairly prejudice a matter in which they're actively engaged? it's either that he's lost his step, or this is a deliberate effort to be a distraction. >> alan dershowitz, attorney that we're familiar with here, tara, on msnbc, said on thursday that giuliani should make it clear he's speaking for himself. and not this president. should he just come out and say that? >> when you've lost alan dershowitz, you're really -- you really have a problem. of course he should come out and

say that. of course rudy giuliani is not going to say that because what is making him relevant is the fact that people think he's speaking for the president. and so rudy giuliani, i do believe he's lost the step. i believe he's lost several steps actually. but one of the things that he has not seemed to have lost the step on is self-promotion. and so i think that ultimately, again, for him a lot of this is about promoting himself. and not promoting the president. but the president will take it because he is -- the president wants to hear people compliment him on tv, we all know that's a major priority for him. also here, providing that needed distraction. >> you brought up this here, jennifer, talking about the first lady, issuing that statement. we don't hear much from her. you know, it's been mentioned throughout this last couple of weeks that we haven't heard or seen the first lady much. from your sources, your network, what are you hearing about as to why? was it the procedure that she got at walter reed? >> we don't know.

we have no reason to disbelieve that. she was spotted as it were. i don't think there's anything wrong, frankly, with the press asking questions about where she is. she is the first lady of the united states. the taxpayers pay a lot of money to protect her and house her and to supplement her travels and all the rest of it. we do have a right to know if it is knowable. i don't think, frankly, there has been any harsh coverage as the president suggested the other way -- other day. i think he's, frankly, using his wife to generate more sympathy for himself because he's perpetually the victim here. i do want to go back to one thing that barbara said that i think is important. he is a former prosecutor, and the most objectionable thing he has said is not this, although it is objectionable, it is that he called the fbi agents, the members of the southern district of new york, state troopers. that was abhorrent. comparing them, operating with a legal warrant from a court, to nazi stormtroopers was

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would they issue an agreement, a communique that would be without the united states. we have breaking news coming out of canada on that topic that the united states will in the end join in that communique. kristen welker has been following the president to canada. he's left. she has the latest on the communique. >> reporter: we know it's going to cover a range of different topics, everything from trade to security, women's rights issues, as well as climate. of course, as you and i have been discussing, the devil's going to be in the details. what specifically tell say about trade, one of the thorniest issues after president trump imposed new tariffs on some of america's closest allies including the g7 countries. president trump is tweeting about all of this. let me read you a couple of his tweets to give you a sense of what he's