that. >> i hate. >> there is no laws that families have to be separated. >> the democrats gave us the laws. according to new government figures, almost 2,000 migrant children were separated over the six weeks period, that's about 46 a day. >> mariana atencio you heard of many stories there. >> reporter: i continue to hear those stories. that's what makes this shelter different from the detention center that we have been reporting on in brownsville, texas, where they are keeping these children.

for them this is a place it is refuge for everything they have been through. we have been hearing stories o f family separation within detention. especially children being separated from their adult fathers. that's something that would have happened and happened during the obama administration. what is different now is that these people know that they are some of the lucky ones, they're actually here united and something very different of what we we are seeing with those folks across the street from here at the federal courthouse who are being prosecuted by crossing the border legillegall. i want to talk to a parent who suffered from this trauma because it was still so traumatic and just to see what this family is going through. >> you came with your boy and

separated in detention for several days, how many is he? >> just five. >> reporter: how long were you separated separated for almost three days from his little boy. how did you feel when they took him away? >> i suffered a lot he says. >> reporter: did you fear you will not be reunited with him? yes, he said, he fears that he would not be reunited with his son. have you heard of this new policy separating families? yes, he has heard about it. thank you so much for sharing your story. gracios, thank you so much, too. >> when you hear of the fear that's being felt in these communities, you can begin to understand that if that father and his son were separated for two and a half days, you can

imagine what is like for those who are separated for a couple of months or if not more. that's the reality here on the ground and the fear within the immigrant communities and so many families that make the dangerous track to the u.s. border to try to have a better life in the united states. aaron? >> msnbc mariana atencio in texas for u thank you. president trump will meet with house republicans on tuesday. this is according to a gop leadership source. joining me now betsy woodruf and adrienne alrod. betsy, what should we read into the visit of president trump? >> it is all of making the laws more restrictive.

the president is trying to use it as a leverage. he's trying to say as long as these children are separated fr their families, it is the democrats' fault which is not true. the president is calling on congress to put tough i immigration laws and including money to build the law. the president is trying to use them seeshl essentially as a bag chip. republicans are more likely to go along with the president's plan. >> susan, i will turn to you with the question. is that the reality here? are these children being used as a bargaining chip to get the border wall? that's the case. at least that's what president trump has decided it is the best way to go for now. we know it is not going to go anywhere everyone n if it gets out in the house.

which could change minds that these children are traumatized from separated from their mothers or parents if something criminals happen. the story that we never want to hear about. if that happens unfortunately, that's the only thing that will move the president to take a different action. >> adrienne do you see any scenario where democrats would be willing to negotiate? >> we have been saying from the beginning that we are happy to provide some sort of border funding in exchange for for dreamers to get status. you know ultimately this is all on trump. the fact that he's blaming democrats for this is ludicrous. this is something that president obama and president bush grappled with and how to handle the mass amount of children coming across the border with families who are trying to immigrant to the united states. in particular, the trump administration intentionally

saying we are separating children from their families and many of these families are seekingseek asylum which is legal. we are already seeing vang va evangelical voters which essentially makes up trump's core base. we are seeing a dip of the polls for trump in this area. to blame this on democrats isilly and i don't think anybody believes this. it is solely on trump. >> president trump wants a tighter border security and he wants to curve illegal entry, where are republicans on giverigiveing him that and those three things. president trump always wants money. that's how he decides if something is successful. he's willing to give up on any other types of policies and even of a pass to the citizenship. you have people willing to give in money on a border wall and

there is a lot of history on that. but, you have the freedom caucus who does not let room for any path or legalization for these people in the country. that's where things start to fall apart and we have seen that the hmoderates in the house wil not take it anymore. they went to start a petition to fight that and they decided to hold off until they have the meeting next week. don't expect to see much change on immigration reform. >> betsy, i know you coauthored "daily beast" report and catching in on detention, what have you found? >> we found a significant flurry of job listings that's posted by defense and contractors looking for people to help with child care of undocumented immigrants and especially of what's indicated of these records that we looked at is there are contracts between groups like

general dynamics and the office of refugee or o.r.r., that's the branch of the department of health and human services, it shows that this is actually something that's quite lucrative for the largest and most powerful company of the united states. >> we heard from michael steele, he used tough language on the president's policies. listen to this. >> i call this a concentration camp the for kids, that's what it is turning out to. when you give kids 22 hours of lock up time and two hours of areal time, what else can it be? if this is where this country is going, the american people need to wake up and pay attention because your kids could be next. >> how does a gop answer to that sort of comparison and from a member of its own party. >> no mentioning holocaust or politics, it never works out well for anybody and it is just wrong. yes, michael steele is using strong language, he should.

there are a lot of republicans who are concerned of what's happening down there and where this party is going. this party of trump is so disturbing for so many of us but to see the values start disappearing and people making excuses in turning in their values for politic ls is just me depressing. >> is immigration the number one issue for democrats? >> gun control are two of the top three issues that democrats will be running on and voters will be thinking about when they go to the voting booths in november. democrats are willing to come on the table and willing to compromise on the border security and funding on the wall. that's something that we have said time and time again that we'll definitely compromise on. the fact that the trump administration and house republicans especially of the point of the freedom caucus and holding immigration reform h

hosta hostage. it is on them and voters know that. we'll see a major shift when it comes to november on this issue. we'll be watching on what happens on the hill this week. betsy is going to be back with us later in the broadcast. still ahead, clean up crew. rudy giuliani throws out the idea of pardons right after paul manafort is sent to jail. was he trying to send a message to him and others trump's associates who has been targeted by mueller? ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel.

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judge amy berman says quote, "i can't turn a blind eye to this." manafort pled not guilty and other charges. president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani told d"daily news" on friday when all things are over things may get cleaned up with some presidential pardons. rudy giuliani did not rule out the possibility. let's bring in our panel now and our legal analyst and our msnbc john mclaughlin. the mueller's team is using his

business partners to flip on president trump and at the same time we see the list of manafort's charges just got longer. i will ask you first, how do you expect manafort to holdup of more charges and being in the jail cell? >> it is whathard to know how o person reacts to these circumstances. he was going to suppress evidence and my guess is they'll not be granted, you never know. going to jail really can change a person's mind set for obvious reasons. i have seen the psychological transformation happened with defendants in jail, it really causes the defendant to look at the circumstances and say wait a minute, i may not be able to

beat this and get out of this. this is real. that can have a transitifor tra effect on some people. >> the coffee boy defense that he uses when ever starts to look guilty in the public's eye. manafort going to jail that it is a clear sign as you can have by a judge that he has done something wrong. even if you put everything else aside, there is no collusion and blah, blah, this judge has said paul manafort broke the law in the sense that he committed, he's accused and probable cause believed that he committed a crime on bail and a bad crime, witness tampering. they're trying to distance themselves from him. the facts don't bear that out.

manafort may have been a short time but he was an important part of that campaign and has a long history with donald trump. >> law enforcement officials say manafort's russian associate has tied to russian intelligence. what else do we know about him? >> the interesting thing of manafort in this report aaron is that among the various people under suspicion by or have been indicted by the special counsel. manafort's tie s with senior russians are more deeper than anybody else. >> one individual who did have at one point a relationship with russia intelligence and part of it according to some report and was a business partner of manafort's. ma manafort and this is all during the time when he was associated with trump's campaign in the summer but the election.

manafort was also in touch with one of the so-called russian olig oligarchs. i don't think we have ever seen yet because mueller's operation does not leak. we have no idea at this point of what we know about or what mueller may know about manafort's context with these individuals. that's why first manafort is potentially so important to mueller's case and second why the president who constantly says there was collusion wants to distance himself as far as he can from manafort. >> then there is the rudy giuliani factor. and then rudy giuliani floating this idea that the president may pardon some of the people involved in this investigation.

rudy giuliani maybe walked that back when he's trying to msnbc news. as an attorney representing this president, what is he trying to accomplish by floating this possibility ofresidential pardons? >> i cannot get into rudy giuliani's mind and i stopped listening to what he said because he seems to make things up as much as donald trump. this was really appalling i thought. whether it is criminal or whether it is unethical under the lawyer legal ethic rules, i am not sure. it is getting close to the line. for him to mention a pardon and prosecutors don't believe in coincidences and for him to talk about it at that moment and foreman fort to go forem foreman manafort to go to jail. i think he was sending a signal

to manafort to hang in there. i really find it appalling. >> i don't know, john, if you a putin and you are watching all of this unfold, what are you thinking at this point? >> i think vladimir putin is sitting there with his arms crossed and a big smile on his face. in other words, what he's seeing on fold here is in fighting among all of the political actors in the united states and that he's seeing frankly a media coverage of this to the exclusion of coverage of russia which he has to like, he's seeing a president who's driven by all of this to do the kind of things that putin himself would do, calling the media fake and so forth.

i think putin has achieved far beyond what he imagined of the kind of chaos in the united states at an important time and of course with midterm elections coming on offering him another opportunity to continue to do this if we don't protect ourselves very well. >> all right, mimi roca and john mclaughlin, we appreciate your perspectiv perspectives, thank you. 2,000 kids separated from their parents. what the trump administration on zero policy on the border could have children detain there? [music playing] (vo) from day one, we always came through for our customers.

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this is the next stop for many of them after they have been released from detention centers. mariana atencio is joining us now. you had the chance to speak to more families tonight. what are they telling you? >> reporter: we continue to hear

stories of family separations inside these detention centers. this is not what unlike what would have happened during the obama administration. the i.c.e. detention structures are not built for children and father to be held together. it gives you a window and window and when you start talking to so many of these parents of the family accept separation and the prolong family separations that we are starting to see after zero tolerance looks like and the tales are just pretty devastating and i am here with this family, they were in the detention center and he was taken away from you several days. what were you told when your child was literally yanked from your arms? he was told we are going to take your son away.

why? we are going to keep him locked up, detained. they tell you that not to do anything or sign anything? they told me to sign this. sign this? why did they want you to sign something? i didn't know what they wanted me to sign. they wanted me to sign something to be deported back to my home country. tell me what was it like when you were placed away from your father? it was cold. what else? what were you sleeping on.

>> i was sleeping on the floor tch how many children were there with you? around 20 kids in that one room where i was. aaron, i want to emphasize that we have not been able to bring our cameras and talk to children inside these facilities. that's why these testimonies we are hearing and of children of what it is like inside even if they were separated for r a couple of days or extremely valuable and give us a window in this th to this world. thank you so much for talking to us. >> reporter: if you see the families signature rouurroundin little babies and no clothes and few possessions they have in continuous of their journey. it brings the point home that at the center of this is children. children that were seen as separated from their families in federal court and separated from their families for several days in detention.

the emotional trauma of that is not only right now but the long-term effects of that are still so uncertain but very painful when you see it up close. >> aaron? >> definitely paint a difficult picture we see there and the family dealing with the situation. mariana atencio thank you. doctors say kids can suffer permanent damage from these border separations including traumas to the brain and the body. any forced separation is stressful for children and can cause lifelong trauma as well as an increase risk of mental illnesses and depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. that's according with the doctors affiliated with the psychiatric association. my colleague, jacob soboroff,

got a firsthand look at the facility in brownsville texas. >> reporter: they're not actually in cages or cells. one of the first things the employee said to me was when you walk inside, can you try to smile to these kids because it is weird from seeing people from the outside. they feel like animals and in changes. it is an extraordinary thing to say nooch see. >> the average stay ed there at the center is 52 aids. these families trying to escape some traumatic situations and trying to protect their children and they're put in this sort of situation where there are concerns of traumas being amplified. can you talk to us of what it may look like and how it may

impact the kids. >> first, you have the stress from fleeing and you have the stress of separation which is basically added and can lead to significant emotional distress. the multiple dprgroups have bee unanimous. she describes this as something called toxic stress. that means you have basically an unchecked fight or flight constantly, the surge of cortisols and all of these hormones that could lead to disruptions and brain development that can have an impact on the children. the impact can be felt acutely from being separated from your parents and have long-term consequences both with emotional health as well as their fiphysil health. >> i mentioned these rules at

brownsville having to deal with children spent 22 hours a day and the average stay is 52 days. what impact those conditions can have on children? >> again, this is not just one group saying this. this is the american american psychological, psychiatric association, every single group has said that the impact this is going to have generationally on these children will be profound. the longer that they are separated, the more it is just -- it correlated with the degree of the anxiety and difficulties these kids are going to face. what should the administration do to mitigate this? >> locally physicians there saying we are seeing this and not only the kids that are

separated at the border but in general with immigrant children, they are very stressed and sometimes they'll not seek medical care because they're afraid to actually, sorry, the parents are afraid to bring their children for a fear of being deported. the american academy of pediatrics have taken a lead and being local on this. but clearly something needs to be done. >> even in the shelter itself, and you think of the fact that some of these kids are sleeping on blankets or towels on the floor. i just sort of wonder, are there things that volunteers who were working in facilities in some cases. even something as simple as toys or coloring books or something creates normalcy. >> here is where what is adding a little bit of fuel to the fire is that there are some misunderstandings of what the shelters are able to provide. something as simple as allowing

siblings to hug each other or for the shelter workers to offer some physical affection to the kids which they so desperately need. one of biggest concerns is the bond that's not forming between a mother and a child. just le things like that are things that can try to create as you said a little bit more of a normal environment. there is nothing normal about this. there is nothing normal about this. i think all of those things we are talking about are band aid until the problem is fixed. >> we need to pay attention and talk about this. >> absolutely. >> natalie, we appreciate your time. >> now to summit that's over and north korea has agreed to work towards complete nuclearization, how will that be achieved? we'll discuss the missing details of the deal, next. we came here for the friends. and we got to know the friends of our friends. then our old friends from middle school, our mom, our ex

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with south korea and look forward to further comments and clarifications. our exercises in south korea are important. joining me now is ojoe. >> i don't know if a single person believes that.capabiliti. all of north korea's capabilities are still in place. it is a question of will kim take the steps that he appears to promise with donald trump. >> you have not had a missile

test or nuclear tests in eight and a half months or missiles flying over japan. he gave us the remains of our great heroes. >> so joe, what do make of what president trump has said that kim has given up. >> well, it is true. noah has put in place unilateral suspension. techniques north korea says they ended their long range missile tests. they blew up their test sites and promise to take down missile test sites but none of these was cod f codify in the agreemeeied in th. could kim do this? yes, he could. will he actually dismantled the

missile test sites that he promised and the declaration so we'll have a road map. on the other side the carats continue to piled up. the south koreans who are strongly in support of this, a popular agreement in south korea. president moon's party won slide election this week based on the success of the summit. they have met with the north koreans this week at a military level and they're meaning to increase sports exchanges and you may see united north korea and south korea team. they're meeting next week in economics. they're continuing to push carats on the table and we have not seen kim responding. >> as to why the terms are

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remarkable meeting with the press on the white house's lawn. >> the report yesterday may be more importantly than anything, it exonerates me. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. >> if you read the i.g. report, i have been totally exonerated. >> the report focused on hillary clinton's probe. remember when candidate donald trump hired manafort to help him secure the gop nomination, the president is minimizing manafort's impact on his winning campaign. >> manafort had nothing to do with the campaign. he worked for me for a short period of time. he worked for ronald reagan and john mccain and many other republicans. he worked for me for 49 days or something? a short period of time. >> manafort resigned from the

campaign on august 19th, 2016, that's 144 days and not 49. take a look at the president cashing out on whether former flynn lied to the president? >> some people said he eyelied maybe did not. the president himself says he fired flynn because he lied. joining me now, and we are bringing back betsy woodruf and our msnbc contributor, betsy, i will start with you. the president sent out a tweet, my supporters are the strongest and smartest and most loyal that we have seen in our history. >> we see the trump's effect is

still very much in place here. what impact is the president having on his supporters if his base does not care whether he's selling provable falsehoods. >> he is he persuaded his support he is not to believe anything the mainstream media says. trump has gone out of his way, ben over backwards to discredit mainstream media and suggest to voters there are insidious conspiring at all levels of united states government and that the executive branch is under seen and then the voters shouldn't trust anything they hear in the mainstream media. that's why many of trump supporters don't seem to be swayed by the fact when he says things that aren't true. the voters don't believe the media outlets. it creates a significant problem to have a functional democracy when people can't agree on simple facts. >> bob corker issued a warning

to members of his own party this week. he is worried about how republicans are refusing to stan up to president trump. watch this. >> look, we are in a spraining ace. i mean it's almost, you know, been -- it's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it? it's not a good place for any party to end up in a cult-like situation. >> we seen republicans who have spoken out against plump's claims lose elections, including carolina's mark sanford. what will it take for republicans to stand up to the president when he is careless about the facts? >> i think it's going to take being defeated at the polls. what happened with mark sanford is instructive. you have two prominent south carolina lawmakers. sanford, outspoken against the president. graham, a senator what ran against donald trump in the

primary in 2016. was very critical of him, on foreign policy especially, a hawkish senator. now he is one of his golfing partners and he goes on thv and flatters him whenever he is there. i think the way those two south carolina republicans have gone indicates how the dynamic, the cult design mick that senator cork he was tauing about is moving the party. >> i want to go back to the impromptu news conference the president had yesterday. here he is explaining a statement he made about the june 2016 trump tower meeting with russians. >> did you take tate the statement about donald trump jr.? >> let's not talk about that. do you know what that is? it's irrelevant. it is a statement to the "new york times." the phony failing "new york times." >> the clear it up. >> that's not a statement to a high try al of judgments. >> essentially he is defending spending an offending or

inaccurate statement to a news agency because it was not a judge. >> he is right that it is not a crime to lie to the "new york times" or my extension to the american people. he is also trying to frame that, who cares, what business is this of bob mueller's. it is a not part of an official investigation. it's not like i lied to a court or a grand jury. what he is failing to realize is why they are interested in why he tried to cover up contacts with russians at that meeting because that could be evidence of his intentions because he did other things that also covered up his contacts with russians. it's important for getting at intent as they examine whether or not he has committed obstruction of justice. one of the most interesting comments that trump made in the

impromptu press conference and on his twitter account this week has been his denial that his administration is responsible for the policy of mass separation of children from thrn parents at the border. -- from their parents at the border. this is not republicans turning on a dime where they used to be against sitting down with north korea and now are for it because trump is doing i. which is what senator corker was getting at, whatever trump is doing today is what we are in favor of. it is a disconnect with people in his administration right now. sessions and miller and others are taking ownership of this policy. they are saying yeah we did it for a reason, we are trying to create a deterrent. people are gaming the asylum system and we have to be tough. and trump is pulling away saying no we didn't do that. that's the democrats' fault it's happening. it is a test of the cull like phenomenon that senator corker is mentioning.

>> i want the play one clip from that news conference where he quickly takes back a pretty outrageous statement just a few minutes after he made it. watch this. >> he's the head of a country, and i mean he's the strong head. don't let anyone think anything different. >> right. >> he speaks, and his people sit up at attention i want my people to do the same. >> what did you mean just now when you said you wished americans would sit up at attention when you talk. >> i'm kidding. don't understand sar dachl. >> the president talking about chairman kim there, of course. blake, is this a pattern with the president sort of dismissing things that are outrageous? >> well, i think i have never seen a president certainly in my lifetime who has had less interest in promoting human rights and democracy abroad. we have his unusual, i would say fixation on russian president vladimir putin, who is another strong-man leader. this morning, he called the president of hungary, who is another strong-man type of

leader. he waxed he will ghent about the chocolate cake he made with xi jinping the strong man leader of chi china. i have to say if president bernie sanders was saying the kinds of things about strong man leaders that donald trump has been saying republicans would be howling and rightly so. >> charlie, blake, betsy, thank you all for your time. appreciate it. >> sure thing. >> that wraps it up for us this hour here at msnbc. i'm aaron gilchrist. stay with us for updates and breaking news as it has. all in with chris hayes is next. make it a great saturday, everybody. discover card. hey, i'm curious about your social security alerts. oh! just sign up online and we'll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites. that sounds super helpful. how much is it? well, if you have a discover card, it's free. no way! yes way! we just think it's important for you to be in the know. all right!

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