bright. that's all for this edition of "dateline." thanks for joining us. > welcome to "kasie d.c." i'm kasie hunt. we are live every sunday from washington from o 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight zero tolerance. the white house defends separating families at the border. as lawmakers, clergy and everyday americans say this is a bridge too far. i'll talk to republican congressman tom cole as the house tries to end the immigration stalemate this week. later i'm joined exclusively by senators jeff merkley and chris van hollen as they descend on the border detention centers to try and find some answers. now, every president, every

party has left their fingerprints on the state of our immigration system today. the reagan administration's amnesty policy drew widespread backlash and still gives some conservatives pause today. the inistrion had its faults. the obama administration struggled to handle a spike in migrations amid mass deportations. but at the moment, the current administration is separating families from their children at our border with mexico, not because of a law, but because this administration has chosen to do so. so far despite nearly 2000 children being separated from their families, what's missing from this story are a flood of images of these young children. it was images of children, after all, that spurred the president to change course in syria. so far, this young toddler has become the face of this policy. stop and look at her for just a moment. and remember that there are

thousands -- thousands of other faces that we have not seen. that's, in part, because cameras have been granted such limited access to the facilities where these children are being held. let's go live now to msnbc's jacob soboroff in texas. jacob, you have been one of the few jonalists to see facilities where migrant children are being held. tell us what it is that we can't see. >> reporter: so, kasie, this building behind me is nondescript, but probably the epicenter of the entire conversation we are having. this is the border patrol central processing center called ursula. inside are 1200 detainees and more young children have been separated from their parents inside that building as their parents leave the building and anywhere else along the southern border, and that is becausis sector, the rio grand valley, sees more apprehensions, more people trying to cross illegally than anywhere else. and inside this building today, we got inside with another group

of journalists for the first time. and what we saw, frankly, is a shocking as everything else that we have been seeing. and i want to be really clear, what's happening inside that building in termof people being detained inside cages -- by the way, we weren't allowed to take cameras in, but we were given photos from customs and border protection. people have been detained inside this building for a long time. this is the first time since -- this is the first time ever that children have been separated on a systematic basis. look at those photos right from their parents and that is because of the trump administration. people are locked up in cages, essentially what look like al kennels. i don't know any other way to describe it. strangely the washington post gave senator jeff merkley what they call three pinocchios for saying kids were locked up in cages here. that is exactly what i saw today. what's different than what is going on in this building than the obama administration is the systematic separation of children from their parents

under zero tolerance policy. in this sector alone, there have been over 1100 kids separated from their parents since the policy began. we know 2000 since early april across the entire southern border so it's a massive amount coming out of here. in this building, what happens is parents get ready to leave the building and they don'ow if they're going to i.c.e. family detention with their children or if they get to bring their children with them or if they're going to the courthouse to get charged. ultimately they are given a piece of paper, they're taken to the courthouse, their children are left behind here, and they don't know when they are going to see their children ever again frankly. i don't think that, you know, they're supposed to call this phone number and figure out the details and that's something that is supposed to get explained to them, but there is a big mess going on right now. even the border patrol inside this building says they're overstaffed, they don't have enough resources. the system is getting stressed out because the trump administration decided to put this io place and the consequence really haven't been worked out. the biggest consequence of all

is thousands of young children in a way that has never been done before, taken from their parents. and when you hear the trump administration say this has been done before, this is democrat policy, this is not unusual, that's b.s. frankly. >> jacob, were you able to talk to any of the children in the facility or get a sense for what it was like for them? and how, how quickly -- is there any warning for these people? you said they're just handed a piece of paper. what dictates what's on that piece of paper? is it -- i'm stuck on this idea of how terrified people must be walking up to receive whatever piece of information is going to tell them, whether or not they're going to be allowed to stay with their kids. >> yeah, there was a mother in tears there today as a group of journalists came around her. we were asked not to talk to people inside. without the permission of border patrol. there were a couple we were sabl to talk to. the idea is by court order they

have to be out of here within 72 hours. and because it's sort of a hodgepodge of rules and regulations coming together, right now they're trying to get people out of this facility as fast as possible. if the parents are going to be charged, they try to get them -- they're trying to get them over to federal cfast a possible. they're trying to get the kids out of here as fast as possible into facilities run by health and human services. but these scenarios are coming up that we're finding out about where a parent, for instance, might be charged. by the way, the trump administration, again, wants to charge 100% of the people that come into this country illegally. right now in this sector they're saying that number and the separations are around 40% with the goal of charging everybody. there are scenarios where a parent might leave, go to the federal court house, be charged and sentenced with time served, come back to this building behind me and their kids are already gone and they're already into the h.h.s. system and they don't know how to find their child and they don't know when they're going to find their child and they don't know where to find their child.

so, there are these inconsistencies in the way this is all playing out that's just making these terribly painful and irrational situations that seem like they could be put together in a way that just frankly makes more sense. >> jacob soboroff live in texas. thank you so much for spending your fathers day to bring us this story here. great reporting and i'm sure we'll talk to you again soon. i want to welcome my panel here with me on-set. the founding president and msnbc contributor teresa kumar. washington post and msnbc analyst philip rucker and ken dilanian. teresa kumar, i want to start with you with the story we started off with jacob. there has been a lot of dissembling from trump administration officials. as lyndsay said, the trump administration could stop this with a phone call. >> this is a decision formulated when john kelly was head of d.h.s. he threw it out there and then

it tuck and sessions literally put it into play in may. this is something he cannot only do overnight, but let's look at mitch mcconnell and at paul ryan. they also have a legislative calendar they can control. there are two pieces of legislation right now they can say they could end it today. there is something we need to underscore. 90% of these individuals right now that are being charged, they're being charged wi a misdemeanor. in april, the supreme court ruled thatigrants can be held indefinitely without bail, so it not only is it messy, but it's almost a lining to ensure these individuals are incarcerated for adds long as possible and they're doing it for misdemeanors that do not make sense. the extent of the cruelty is unimaginable. they have also been reporting that in san diego, even siblings have been separated and they can only see each other once a week. there is no rhyme or reason for what's happening. what we are experiencing right now at the border is not normal immigration pattern, it is not

for economic reasons. these are refugees. i would like to remind the american people we set the standard. we crafted the human rights laws the rest of the world practice. the u.n. said what we are doing to children is in violation of their rights. >> philip rucker, what is going on behind the scenes at the white house? on the one hand you have officials like jeff sessions going out there being very clear, the president is blaming democrats -- >> which is not true. >> very important, not true. hr administration policy they can stop with a single phone call. melania trump is saying we have to have policies with heart, quote-unquote. you can see her statement there. she said we need to have a country that follows all laws but governs with heart. where is the president on this and whether this should continue? >> well, this weekend it's become a real political crisis as well as a humanitarian crisis that threatens to spiral out of control for the president. he said friday -- he talked to reporters friday on the north lawn of the white house and said he doesn't like the policy of

separating children from the parents and he blamed it on democrats. that's not true. it's not the democrats' fault as we have said. and the white house is grappling with over the weekend how to deal with it and they don't have an easy answer for it. kellyanne co, counselor to the president, really struggled on "meet the press" earlier this morning to defend this policy. she said as a catholic, as a mother she doesn't like to see what's happening there. we are hearing more and more about what's happening inside those detention centers like with jacob's report. my colleagues at the post had a story this weekend about a young girl separated from her parents in tears, very emotional about it, and the workers, relief workers inside the detention facilities are prohibited from counseling -- >> i read that. it's heart breaking. >> they're not allowed to hug them, comfort them. this is a real problem for the white house to deal with. and we have tuesday, the capitol hill to meet with p to republican lawmakers there to try to come up with some sort of legislative solution. but he wants more than just a

fix for this particular policy. he wants funding for that border wall. >> ken dilanian, the other piece of this, a couple pieces, the homeland security secretary kristen nielsen has reportedly been very frustrated with this behind the scenes, but of course in public we showed her tweet earlier where she says we don't have a policy ofoit they are doing it. also, frankly, the facilities our law enforcement is going to get overwhelmed pretty quickly by the sheer numbers. >> and what she meant is that it's not their policy to separate kids. it's their policy to have a zero tolerance policy against immigrants and to arrest everybody crossing illegally. you know what, there are a lot of people in the trump base that support that. it is true most countries around the world have a much less generous policy than we do. there is a reason they're not stopping in mexico, they're going to our border. but most americans are not on board th this cruel and punitive policy that stems from current law of removing these children. if that's the only way you can arrest everybody, then you just can't do it. that's what kiersten kneel son

has been saying behind the scenes. >> joining me to talk about it tom cole of oklahoma. congressman, it's good to see you tonight. >> thank you, kasi >> thank you for being here. i want to show you some of the remarks that your colleagues, republican colleagues in the congress have had to say about this topic we've been discussing, separation of children from their families at the border. first paul ryan, the house speaker, and then senator lindsey graham. take a look and we'll talk about it. >> are you comfortable with the current zero tolerance policy ading to parents and children being separated at the border? >> no, i'm not. this is because our court ruling. >> mr. speaker, on that point, this is actually a policy change from the trump administration for zero tolerance -- >> and there is also a court ruling involved. this is somethinwe think should be -- >> religious leaders have come out and said this is inhumane. do you agree? >> we don't want kids to be separated from their parents.

>> president trump could stop this policy with a phone call. if you don't like families being separated, you can tell d.h.s. stop doing it. >> congressman, should the president make that phone call and stop this policy? >> well, i certainly think we shouldn'eparating young children from their parents. but frankly, in this case, if any embassy in any country and seek it. we'll adjudicate it there. you can come to a port of entry and it will be dealt with there. again, you wouldn't be separated from your children. if you cross the border illegally, you run that risk. frankly we have surges like this. we had them during the obama years. we had hundreds of young children held in my district at fort seal, oklahoma, ranging from ages 8 to 14. >> the obama administration, sir, they specifically grappled with this question about whether to separate children from their families, and they decided not to do it and that's how we ended up with many of these family detention centers. >> milwaukee i, kasie, that's not exactly true. when i'm looking at an 8-year-old child in my district, they weren't with their parents. they may have been separated because they traveled alone or traveled in a group or with

somebody else. so a lot of these cases are not actually involving a separation of the parents. it's a dangerous thing and discouraging people from traveling thousands of miles where they can be exploited and preyed upon and where they run great physical risk is the right be doing. now, if we're going to h hopefully an opportunity this week to address this legislatively and fix it, i agree with speaker ryan. this is not a policy we want to pursue. but i have a lot of sympathy with border agents confronted with thousands of people and don't have any easy recourse as to what to do with them. again, we've housed children for a lot of years. i've seen it myself under multiple administrations when we get these summer surges. >> well, at the same time, i take your point but i do think it is very distinct and different to have unaccompanied minors crossing the border by themselves than to have people arriving at these detention centers. you mentioned legislation, though, comprehensive or if not comprehensive, then certainly

more sweeping immigration legislation has failed time and time and time again in the congress, trying to grapple with so many of these issues all at once. if, in fact, this compromise legislation that you all have talked about fails to pass the house, would you support a narrow immtion proposal to end this separation of families at the border? >> i would. i'm not for separating young children from their families. but again, you have to understand that the sheer scope of what we're grappling with. and frankly, i would hope people that are concerned about this would make sure our borders are more secure and that we follow the president's four pillars which i still think are the most sensible ways of dealing with problems we have. in terms of comprehensive legislation that's probably not going to happen. i much prefer dealing with things in several pieces of legislation. i think we'll have that opportunity this week. i hope our friends on the other side of the aisle help us and i hope republicans, again, are supportive of what the president

is trying to do in terms of securing the border. >> the president hasn't been 100% clear on this compromise bill. it's been quite muddy over the past few days. is your understanding that he would sign this compromise legislation if it were to pass? >> that's my understanding. and i get your point that i was confused myself on friday, but i think the president gave an impromptu press conference and may not have underood the question. frankly he's been pretty busy guy between north korea and the g7 summit so he may not have been fully briefed. but he's going to come and visit with us on tuesday and i think we'll have an opportunity to see where he's at. it's my understanding he would support either of the two pieces of legislation that speaker ryan is planning to present to the house. again, the idea that we can solve it in the house in a day, not true. anything we do has to go through the senate, has to be solved or signed by the president. so, if you want to deal with something, it needs to be bipartisan and you need to have both chambers and the executive branch on the same page. >> given that, the time it takes

to do this, do you think the president should make that -- this phone call and stop family separations until you can take action -- >> i do. i am not for family separations under any circumstance but i'm also not for catch and release. that is, i wouldn't just release the population either. frankly, we're on the verge of being overwhelmed on on the border. we've had this before. we were overwhelmed when president obama was there. as i said, we've had lots of centers with young children, eight years and younger in some cases, on their own. it's not a good situation. i would hope parents don't put their children in that situation, but certainly if the parent is there, the child is better off with the parent. >> congressman cole, thank you very much for coming on to play ball with us tonight. appreciate it. i'll see you on the hill later on this week. >> thanks. >> thanks. teresa kumar, your reaction to what the congressman said. >> if you recall, vice-president biden went down to mexico and actually crafted something with the mexican government saying, how can we actually prevent this? we saw the research coming.

they were working closely with the mexican authorities. we are so on the wrong side with the mexican government. cooperating --vernment is not >> it isn't necessarily people from mexico -- >> it was part of that migration. they were basically providing different place s to stop and provide people relief. the challenge, though -- and i think this is what the american people have to recognize -- if you are a mother or father and you are traversing literally three to four countries to get to the border, how terrible is your situation? it must be so terrible that you actually are willing to risk your life. when he's mentioning to your point, kasie, he said when he is mentioning that you found a lot of unaccompanied minors by themselves, that's because an 8-year-old was put on a bus and said go that way because it's unsafe here. >> and it is a much different situation. >> absolutely. >> which the congressman acknowledges. >> the overall picture, this mass migration to the united states, we are at net neutral. these are not your common immigrant. they are refugees, they are fleeing violence, fleeing

desperation. >> much more on this conversation as the night continues. coming up, paul manafort is behind bars as pressure mounts on michael cohen and roger stone. we'll have the latest developments out of the russia investigation. and later, my interview with senate candidate cory stewart who stunned virginia with his comments and his primary victory. but first, it was another whiplash week in washington. "kasie d.c." back after this.

welcome back to "kasie d.c." former trump campaign chairman paul manafort spent his first weekend behind bars after a federal judge revoked his bail following accusations of witness tampering. he'll spend at least the next three months in a virginia facility while he awaits trial. though he has pleaded not guilty. meanwhile, the washington post is reporting that roger stone has now admitted to a meeting meeting with a russian national in may of 2016 who allegedly offered him damaging information about hillary clinton. stone tells the post that nothing ever came of the meeting, but the sit-down is reportedly of interest to robert mueller. president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani reacted to the report in an interview this morning. >> president trump aware of this meeting? >> i doubt it. i certainly didn't know about it. it's news to me. i just read it here in the washington post. it seems to me, however, whatever the recollection, differing recollections about this, it sort of gets resolved with the fact that stone did

nothing about it, came to the conclusion, according to the post, it was a waste of time. he and greenberg came to the conclusion it was a waste of time. so, i can't imagine anything got back to the then presidential candidate that was of any substance. if he had concluded it was a waste of time. >> robert mueller has a funny way of jogging people's memories. ken dilanian, what exactly is roger stone's story? he e-mailed you? >> he did. i reached out to him. i got a response moments before ming on air. his story is he forgot about this meeting with the russian national. he said i flatly rejected his proposal in what was a 20-minute meeting and never mentioned it to trump or the trump campaign because the idea was so ludicrous. >> he forgot about it, now he remembers details. >> he said his recollection was refreshed by michael caputo whose recollection was refreshed by mueller. >> manafort all of a sudden being in jail jogged more details. that could very well be possible. >> the thing in this story my colleagues in the post wrote about with roger stone, he

wasn't just offered dirt about hillary clinton. the russian national was trying to sell dirt about hillary clinton and what roger stone told him in that meeting was that donald trump doesn't pay for anything. that trump would not put forward the money to get that damaging information, not that he didn't want the damaging information or that it was somehow inappropriate -- >> potentially they would have accepted it. they weren't going to pay $2 million for it. >> that's the implication. >> here's what's interesting about this story. caputo and stone are spinning this about impropriety on the part of the government. he has a history of being an fbi informant. they were wondering if he was working a as an fbi informant at the time. this was two months before james comey said the trump/russia investigation began. if he was, the fbi would have some questions to answer. so far there was no evidence he was. >> would the fbi have something to answer or would this be the thing that potentially prompted them to open the russia probe? >> to run an informant at a senior aide in a mainstream

presidential campaign would be a big decision requiring top level approvals even in the justice department. they wouldn't have done it on a whim or gone fishing. they might have had good cause to do it, even at moment, two months before the formal investigation began. it is something the republicans are trying to raise, throwing up smoke and suggesting this was improper. why didn't they warn us about trump/russia influence on the campaign and instead of targeting us. >> it was weird they kept going after hillary clinton for her e-mails. it seems like e-mails is what's going to bring them down. what's app messages on cohen's phone he forgot to erase is giving them a litany of information. the fact he had 16 cell phones on them and all of them had high level information is basically one of the things mueller is interested in. >> i can barely manage one cell phone. teresa kumar, thank you for coming on, appreciate your perspective. still to come on "kasie d.c.," new york's attorney general sues president trump's charitable foundation accusing him and his children of persistent illegal

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welcome back to "kasie d.c." new york's attorney general is taking aim at the president's charitable foundation. in a lawsuit filed on thursday,

president trump and three of his childrdon junior, eric and ivanka, are accused of illegal conduct stng from the misappropriation of donations to the trump foundation. the lawsuit claims the president used the organization to payoff business debts, to decorate one of his golf clubs and even stage a multi-million dollar giveaway at a 2016 campaign event. president trump fired back on twitter saying, quote, i won't settle this case. joining me now washington post reporter and msnbc contributor who broke the story david farenthold, david, thank you so much for coming in tonight. good to see you as always. i have a case this stems from reporting you did on it's a portrait he paid to hang at mar-a-lago. remind us all. >> it was a portrait of himself, i should say, first of all -- >> a self-portrait. >> he bought, paid $10,000 for it, paid money from the donald trump foundation. >> there it is, very nice. >> once you have charitable money, you have to use it for a charitable portion. is this hanging on the wall of a children's hospital, is it doing some charitable good out there? through crowd sourcing on the

internet, no, it was hang ng on the wall of the sports bar at doral. >> how is it built? why now, what are the things that to you seem most significant about the case they build here? >> this is theof a 20-month investigation that began during 2016 as a result of some stories that we did, and they used -- they looked at e-mails, did depositions, they built this case showing that donald trump had misused his charitable foundation, this foundation that had -- >> supposed to be tax exempt. that's the kind of core of this. >> right. the basic idea of this is that once you create a tax-exempt foundation, you get tax benefits for putting money in there. it's not a pocket or wallet, a checook with your name on t. it's supposed to have independent directors, spend money for charitable good. trump never grasped that. even though that is the basic idea of charity law, he always used this foundation as basically just another checkbook where he could use it to write checks for things that he wanted. so as you said earlier, he used

it several times to settle debts that his for-profit businesses had ans part of the settlement. he would use his foundation to save his businesses money. in the 2016 campaign, he turned tion basically into an arm of his campaign. >> phil rucker, how is this playing in the white house? the presidsa any attempts to go after his businesses are a bright red line. he's fought with democrats and new york politics for a long time. >> well, and it dates back to the campaign and david's great reporting during the campaign and the attitude inside the white house is trump won the election so nothing that had to do with the campaign doesn't matter any more. so all the issues with the women and porn stars and so forth is -- that's old news. it's not something we need to engage in. clearly trump is bothered by it. that's why we saw the tweets on friday or thursday, whatever day that was in reaction to the lawsuit.

but i think in terms of the operations of the white house they're not that concerned with it and they're hoping that it will be sort of a nuisance that plays out on the side. >> ken dilanian, what's your sense of this? is there any piece of it in particular you think might have lasting impact? >> what i wonder, maybe david knows the answer to this, does anyone have any criminal exposure to this? >> this seems so blatant to charity law. when does it rise to the level of you go to jail? >> they do not have under statute to bring criminal charges for misuse of a charity. when they put up this lawsuit, they sent referrals to the irs and federal election commission both of which have that authority to bring criminal charges. one of the most interesting parts of this lawsuit was the language they use to describe trump's own conduct which was it was willful and knowing. he violated the laws in a willful and knowing manner. that is important because to prove a criminal charge in tax

law, you have to prove that the defendant actually knew what the law was and violated it anyway. willfulness is the standard and to use the word willful is the indication that the new york a.g. thinks this might be criminal conduct and is sort of nudging others to follow it in that way. >> if the president is not going to settle the case, what are the options? >> it's funny he said that because he actually has settled parts of this case already. if you look through the lawsuit, a lost charges he's already said, yeah, i did that, i'll pay the money back and i'll pay a penalty tax on top of t. there is more they have accused him of that he doesn't want to settle on. there will be a lawsuit. he could be forced by a judge to pay millions of dollars in repayments and penalty taxes. he could also be banned from leading any nonprofit in new york state for ten years. so, the guy who is the leader of the free world wouldn't be able to be on the board of the staten island little league. >> good way to put it. >> the next consequence is after

this new york a.g. case will be the irs. do they pursue something civilly against him, do they fine him, make him pay penalties, or is there a criminal charge down the road. >> david farenthold, thank you so much. great reporting as always. us posted. philip rucker,anian, thank you both as well. >> thanks, kasie. >> when we come back, states of play. corey stewart with controversial comments to say the least takes on tim kaine in virginia. in a state thas shown resistance to the president, does stewart stand a chance? he joins me live next. as we go to break, one of our favorite things on the show, the very quotable senator john kennedy. >> i've never negotiated. the first thing i did was walk in to my opponent and slap him and call him an ignorant slut. he's crazy as a loon as well as being sly as a fox. >> in louisiana we call that bias. we don't call that objective. and there was a little hank -- hanky panky in the 2016 election. they think the american people aren't smart enough to figure it out. they are. just a year and a half after

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just a year and a half after the trump presidential campaign fired its virginia chairman, that same man is back on the campaign trail apparently back in the president's good graces. on tuesday corey stewart became the republican nominee to face-off against democratic senator tim kaine. he gained national attention not only for his role on the trump campaign where he was let go for staging a protest at the rnc headquarters but his hard line stance on immigration in virginia.

but trump took to twitter tuesday to congratulate stewart and say, quote, don't under estimate corey. corey stewart is on-set with me here now. k you for taking the time to be on the show. i want to start by asking you about the republican party here in washington. senator corey gardener that ones the national senatorial committee said they will not endorse you, not back you, not give you money. why do you think that is? >> i beat their guy. they took their best shot at me, but, you know, they spent a lot of money on my race trying to knock me off. they've been at me a long time. i've been a strong supporter of the president. but they're going to come around and they're going to need to see momentum in my race to show it is competitive. it will get competitive. at that point they'll come around. >> theiruy the more moderate who you beat by a handful of percentage points has called you a racist. >> he said that. it's not true. you know, i don't have a racist

bone in my body. >> why are you spending time with the organizer of the charlottesville rally? >> so, at that time i did not know that he was. it came out later. after we found out he was a racist, i wanted nothing else to do with him ever again. now, you know, i need all my supporters. i want people to vote for me. but at the same time, i don't control what's in their hearts and minds. i only control what's in my heart and my mind. and i don't have a racist bone in my body and that's -- >> that's hard for people to believe that when they see you sitting with someone like that. >> well, you know, you meet all kinds of people in politics, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. you don't do a background check on all the people you meet with. paul, for example, when i complimented him -- >> he was the one running in was

which is for paul ryan's seat, totally anti-semitic. >> when he ran in wisconsin against paul ryan, there were other conservatives supporting him who said nice things about him including the president -- >> you called him your personal hero. >> ann coulter. but afterward and i did say those nice things about him. afterward he came out, kind of lost his marbles and came out with anti-semitic comments and i disavowed him and others did. >> you have a hard line on immigration as well. do you think president trump should be separating children from their families at the border? >> i don't think president trump is separating -- >> the trump administration policy. they changed the policy. he could reverse it as lindsey graham conservative said. >> there has been a law since president obama. i think it's the right policy. the fact is we do have to enforce the law, however, otherwise we'll have another humanitarian crisis at the border like we did a few years ago. a lot of those children came into my county. i know everything about it. we don't want to have that happen. we have to send the signal to everybody else south of the border that if you come to the united states, illegally, you're

going to get arrested and yes, your children wie temporarily separated from you. as soon as you go back home -- >> how is that in the best interest of the children? how is that -- >> we have to have -- the question, though, is really what is in the best interest of the united states. that's our -- >> that's more important than these children? >> absolutely. the policy of the united states, immigration policy must be what's right for america. what's right for american workers, what's right for the united states. >> do you think that the policy of ripping these children away is a moral policy? >> i think it's an unavoidable policy. i think the fact is that if you come to the united states illegally and you're arrested -- >> let's be clear. these are people coming here to ask for asylum which is a legal thing. they can, they have a legal pathway to apply for asylum. they have made months' long journeys, sometimes with small children. they are crossing in places you aren't supposed to stop. you don't see that as -- >> you can apply for asylum. you don't have to come to the united states to apply for asylum.

if you cross the border illegally, the president has made it clear he's going to enforce the law. he's going to arrest the adults. that i believe in the end, it sounds terrible, but in the end -- >> it is terrible. >> nobody wants to see children -- nobody wants to see that. not conservatives, not liberals, nobody wants to see children separated from their parents. no question about that. we're in a tough position. if you don't enforce the law you will have a humanitarian crisis again of much greater magnitude than we have now. you have to enforce the law or we'll have more people coming across the border, more children without parents. >> you lost to ed gillespie who is governor who went on to become governor. he used racially tinged adds, highlighting ms13, immigrants were going to come out to get you. he tried to run on that in a statewide race and he lost. i think we can show you a little piece of that ad. >> ms13 appears to be surging again. >> the ms13 gang lured the victim into a fairfax county park, stabbed him repeatedly. >> committing violent and brutal crimes. >> ms13 is a menace. ralph northam voted in favor of

sanctuary cities that allowed dangerous immigrants back on the street increasing the threat of ms-13. ralph northam's policies are dangerous. >> i'm ed gillespie candidate for governor and i support this ad for a safer, stronger virginia. >> he used this campaign and lost in statewide virginia. what makes you think you can win? >> i think that ad was correct. i didn't support everything ed gillespie did -- >> i didn't ask you about the accuracy of the ad. that was his strategy. is is where i'm going to he can to us, hit immigration as a hot button issue as hard as i can and make people afraid and he lost. >> the thing is that people didn't believe ed gillespie because it was kind of a strange te for -- turn for him. i have been dealing with this issue for 12 years now in prince william county. i led the nation in cracking down on illegal immigration. the citizens in my community

were concerned that we had a lot of illegal immigrants coming to our community. not a lot of theut a portion of them committing crimes and they wanted us to do something about it. we have an ms-13 gang problem. 80% of ms-13 gang members are illegal immigrants. >> would you support a nationwide policy like you implemented in your county where police required to check the identification and immigration status of anyone they arrest? >> yes, we confirm 100% of everybody who is in the jail, we confirm 100% of the immigration status. if it's a person who has been arrested for a crime and has been determined to be here illegally, we hand them over to i.c.e. for deportation. it is a common sense policy that focusses in on the criminal element. by the way, more than 8100 illegal aliens since the policy was put in place, not a single case of racial profiling, not one. >> you said your opponent tim kaine hates america. what is it about him that makes you think he hates america? >> he does not support anything

the president has done. >> and you think you don't support the president, you don't support america? >> not based on that. he thinks only of himself. he's thinking only about his own left wing ideology. if you ask yourself this question, what has tim kaine ever done, what's his reported the past six years? he has president had one significant accomplishment. and now instead of supporting the president and reducing taxes, bringing back business, bringing back manufacturing, securing the border, doing all these good things, bringing peace to -- >> i think most people would argue virginia's economy has been doing well. >> under president trump. >> in part -- well, it was on a path to do that under president obama. in fact this area northern virginia in particular has been doing relatively well especially compared to the rest of the country. >> northern virginia has been shielded protected we have a lot of government here, but the rest of virginia has been suffering, and it's been suffering because

we've had aned am the obama administration that has been taxing businesses andic making it more difficult for businesses to come back. we have a president who has done that and you see manufacturing returning to the country in a way not since the 1950s. >> back to the original question, do you think tim kaine hates america? >> yes, when you care about yourself a lot more than the interest of the united states. >> i tweeted a photo shopped image of tame kaine's son who was arrested on an anti-trump protest, retweeted this image. this is misleading to voters. this never happened. this image here, senator kaine on the senate floor never happened. do you think this misleading to people who follow you? >> the photo of his son is real. >> it's a real photo of his son, not have the hammer and sickle in the original version. that is photo shopped onto a poster of tim kaine. >> obviously that is a clear photo shop.

>> why would you spread that? >> let me ask you this, okay. his son gets arrested in minneapolis, for a riot. he's rioting in conjunction with the trump rally, there are people who are arrested and he should have been prosecuted but instead, tim kaine gets him off and he said that he loves the fact -- >> there is no evidence that tim kaine got him off. >> let's be obvious, clear, if that was not a powerful man's son he would have been in jail today. the thing is that tim kaine said he loves the fact that his kids are involved in politics, right after this incident. i thought that was ridiculous. says more about tim kaine and his son. i apologize because i'm saying it on father's day but it was bad parenting. >> one was in the united states marine corps as far as anyone hating america. corey stewart thank you for the coming. the much more on the higrant

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